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Has anyone ever thought that maybe Winslow just has the coodies.....

I mean gosh.. Its not always the Browns fault...

j/c

Winslow blasts Savage, front office
Monday, October 20, 2008
By TODD PORTER

LANDOVER, Md. Maybe it was frustration. Maybe it was, like Browns tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. said, coming from his heart. Maybe it was both, but Cleveland's tight end blasted General Manager Phil Savage and said he felt treated like a piece of meat, unappreciated, and he thought about asking for a trade.

Winslow, speaking with a small group of reporters Sunday after Cleveland lost to Washington, 14-11, at FedEx Field, spoke calmly. Eventually, veteran running back Jamal Lewis persuaded him to stop talking and pulled him aside. A couple of other teammates rolled their eyes at Winslow's comments.

Winslow missed last Monday night's impressive win against the New York Giants, but tight ends Steve Heiden and Darnell Dinkins played well in his place. Winslow told The Plain Dealer that a staph infection was the cause of his absence.

"To go through what I've been though, I thought there just would be more, 'How you doing?' Winslow said. "My teammates did, but not a lot of the guys upstairs did. Coach Romeo (Crennel) did. He's a great guy. My position coach did, but not the main man. That disappoints me."

Asked if he was talking about Savage, Winslow said yes.

"You can write it how you write it, I want you to ... this is from the heart talking. This is how I feel. ... I'm not even talking about football. Just, you know, 'How you doing?'"

Asked if his teammates called to see how he was doing, Winslow said yes.

"Of course my teammates care about me. ... Not from the head man. You just feel like a piece of meat."

Winslow caught two passes for 17 yards against the Redskins. He missed most of this week's practices. Crennel said the team put in a specific package for Winslow, mostly on third down.

Some of Winslow's frustrations could be boiling over from the offseason when his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, expressed interest in a new contract.

"Sometimes it's just not even football," Winslow said. "... There are a lot of things I feel like saying that I don't say. It's just frustrations with, you know ... management. Sometimes I feel like we just get treated like pieces of meat. It's hard.

"It's been on my mind for a while. I hadn't put it out there. I've been a quiet guy. I've stayed to myself, but I could be like Chad Johnson and say what's on my mind. I could be like T.O. (Terrell Owens) and say what's on my mind, but I didn't. Sometimes I feel underappreciated."

The NFL's trade deadline was Tuesday. But asking for a trade out of Cleveland entered Winslow's mind. However, it would have been difficult for the Browns to move an All-Pro tight end at the trade deadline while he was hospitalized, missed a game and significant practice time.

"I was thinking about it, honestly, I was thinking about it," Winslow said. "Again, I didn't say anything because I'm bigger than that. I could have easily (asked to be traded), but I didn't. Phil knew. I didn't say anything.

"Sometimes I don't feel a part of the team. With my teammates, I do."

The Browns said Savage would not have a statement on Winslow's comments.

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Since Crennel wasn't his hand-picked guy, Savage would easily survive a change in staff.

This I agree with.

No, I believe that Savage has hitched his cart to Quinn.

To this I say, huh? DA won't get pulled from a game no matter how poorly he's doing (barring something involving farm animals) and you say Savage has hitched his cart to Quinn. What exactly leads you to believe this? Because Quinn is the only one without a staph infection, yet? *L*

J/C...

Just as I had feared, the Browns can't get out of the cellar with this coach and this inconsistent QB. Because of this, we will lose the only few good players we have because they want to be appreciated and they want to WIN!!!

The Owner, the GM and the Head Coach of this team can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

After hearing that little tidbit on the Eagles wanting KW and now hearing how he wanted to be traded..and no comments from Phil, yet..it's interesting..

First, there's no need for KW to go public with this..that should be handled behind the scenes..second be careful saying you WISH you had been traded, because several things can happen ..
Cuze you can be shipped out to a worse organization...it's why I was glad they drafted Rucker..and I told everyone watch for that pick..
Next you're under contract..so you just might have to play it out..how awlful

Now I'll be waiting till Thursday to hear what Savage has to say, because this isn't going to go away and it's the hot topic..

it hurts

Quote:

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"It's been on my mind for a while. I hadn't put it out there. I've been a quiet guy. I've stayed to myself, but I could be like Chad Johnson and say what's on my mind. I could be like T.O. (Terrell Owens) and say what's on my mind, but I didn't. Sometimes I feel underappreciated."

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I've always thought he was our best player. May be it's just the way that we run things, I think that Savage doesn't communicate much with our players. That's all Romeo, period.

One thing I will say is that it's true
Winslow is great at keeping his mouth shut these past couple years. He hasn't gotten unsportsmanlikes, he hasn't shown up much in the media.

I hope Savage calls him and they can talk out the situation. I like Winslow a lot.

According to Steve Doerschuk from the Canton Repository, Phil and Winslow were speaking for a long time in the locker room after the game.

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This offseason I would trade DA & Winslow for the highest draft picks or Youngest starting players availible.

DA = We have Quin and paying him alot of money

Winslow = once contract is up will split to the highest bidder.

BE = Not impressed with his hands, or head can we go anywhere or count on hiim to step up when needed and take us to a Super Bowl Title, ? I'm not sure we can count on him at all. Good players, but maybe not what we need.

Winslow = Big man on the field. (Plays hurt, gives it his all, busts his ass)

Winslow = Baby missing his binky off the field.

Winslow...

...real team player we have in KW2, huh?
...when things get tough, he runs his mouth, just like he did in college...he's still an immature college kid.
...he doesn't feel appreciated?...code words for more money, I want a new contract, Phil
...Winslow says, he could be like T.O.
...and he says he could be like Chad Johnson
...Hey Kellen...look in the mirror...your are just like both...

It's up to Crennel to get a handle on the team and not let them go down the tubes...

It's up to Savage to decide to do what is best for the team, looking ahead.

It's up to Randy Lerner to decide what to do about the Cleveland Clinic and the number of occurrences of staph infections to his players.

The Lerner family is deeply involved in supporting the Cleveland Clinic but it might be time to take the teams business elsewhere, just to see if we can cut down on the number of cases of staph.

Heck, Randy Lerner has enough money to build the teams own hospital to handle the teams injuries.

JMHO, but the reputation and record of the Cleveland Clinic concerning staph infections could begin to play a part in players willingness to play in Cleveland.

We are now going to find out who on this team is worthy of being called a "professional" and who is not.

The Trade Deadline has passed.... Nobody is getting traded until after the regular season is over.

Well, I'm not sure the Cleveland Clinic is to blame here, though, mac. He went to the Cleveland Clinic for treatment, but I'm assuming he contracted the staph infection somewhere else.

Like others have said, we've had experts come in to check things out and they've said that the facilities are ok. If the guys aren't taking care of their wounds the way they're supposed to, then maybe we need to have a better medical staff there to educate these guys.

Another read on Winslow:

Something’s got to give

Oct 20th, 2008 @ 11:43 am by Steve Doerschuk

The early guess is that Kellen Winslow won’t be here - I’m typing in the Browns’ complex - next autumn.
Some of the reasons:
1, An ego as big as his has to be fit into a locker room.
2, An ego as big as his has to be fit into a huddle.
3, Arguably the Browns’ most impressive day of offense since the 1980s occurred with him sitting out.
4, Whereas Winslow is right to be alarmed about being a Cleveland Brown victimized by a staph infection, he is wrong to complain of being treated like a piece of meat.
That will chafe the general manager, who was the object of his scorn. It will chafe Joe the plumber, who has a real job that pays way less, and, if he’s Joe the Cleveland plumber, probably has heard the Browns players are coddled at times more than they need to be.
5, Winslow was a Butch Davis guy. Not many of them left.
6, Winslow is a fierce competitor, but not always a wise one. Certain among his on-field comments reflect too little respect for teammates. The guess is he has made one or two of them feel like pieces of meat.
7, Ohio is where he works. His heart is in his work. His heart is not in Ohio.
8, Steve Heiden, Darnell Dinkins and Martin Rucker project as a serviceable trio of tight ends.
9, The Browns have gone 4-12, 6-10, 4-12, 10-6 and 2-4 since Winslow joined the team. Most of that isn’t his fault. A bit of it is.
10, The team treated him more than fairly after his wreck. Now he’s a piece of meat?

Reasons to find a way to work it out with Winslow:
- Six catches for 100 yards in the 51-45 win over the Bengals.
- 11 catches, 123 yards in an OT win over Seattle.
- Seven catches for 73 yards to make last year’s fiasco at Cincinnati winnable.
That kind of stuff.

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11. we need several more good players and trading one disgruntled player that might not even be with the team at the end of the contract would be one way of getting those players.

J/C

A conversation I had during the game yesterday...

"They're so out of sync, and Winslow is back. I wonder if there's some kinda conflict hurting team chemistry."

Well that got answered I think. Granted I still think DA is consistently inconsistent, but perhaps Winslow is getting in his head. Nevermind running the wrong routes...

He needs to shut up and play. I think Phil has to strongly consider trading him this offseason if this continues. Hopefully Rucker steps up!

JMH2cents

If we had inked him to a new deal prior to the Dallas game...he wouldn't be yapping.

Phil will be sure to send him candy and a GI Joe colorforms kit next time he's bedridden!

Winslow needs to shut his mouth and play. I'm not quite to the point where I think we need to trade him. The fact is that he is our X factor. He wants to win and doesn't care about his stats. He is the type of player who we need; I just wish he'd keep his mouth shut. Get him a new contract and he'll dominate.

I am not piling on Winslow at all, but we have to examine if this guy is truly "worth" a new contract at all. When's the last time he was able to stay healthy for very long?

He played in how many games straight? 36?

Then I stand corrected. I guess I only remember the times he was hurt.

He's been hurt his entire career, he just plays through it. He's a soldja ya know.

This whole situation just doesn't make sense. He said that the Browns wanted to keep his illness undisclosed, however he said he never heard from Phil Savage? Who else would have told him to keep his mouth shut about the staph? There is alot more to this story then we are hearing.

It might have been the best thing for both parties as we could have gotten good value for KW, perhaps a starting ILB or something....doubt he will be here next year.

I think he will want a 5 year mega buck deal. I think he has only a couple of good years left in his knees. I dont think Savage will offer him the kind of deal he is looking for. So we shall see how it shakes out.

If he would remember that the Browns stuck with him through his ignorant decisions and understood the risk they took by doing so and showed the same loyalty in return, he wouldn't be yapping either.

Y'know Coach, that's something that really bothers me through this whole thing. He coulda cost himself aLOT of money with his Evil Knieval stunt. However, the organization gave him the opportunity to make it all back. That doesn't seem to matter now though

This guy usually says stuff he regrets post game. Its a 'in the heat of the moment' kinda thing with him. Let him work out this garbage with the FO (behind the scenes) and hopefully the team can concentrate on football and how they're going to win more than 2 games this year.