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Maybe there was a lack of communication from both sides. The FO didn't try to find out if Winslow wanted it kept quiet, and Winslow didn't tell anyone to keep it quiet or not. Then, when the FO is questioned about it, they cover their butts by saying Winslow wanted it.
Far fetched? Extremely. But it makes just as much sense as the rest of it!
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So you're pointing fingers at the FO,...?
Just asking,...I really don't care what's wrong,...I want it fixed !!
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Maybe there was a lack of communication from both sides. The FO didn't try to find out if Winslow wanted it kept quiet, and Winslow didn't tell anyone to keep it quiet or not. Then, when the FO is questioned about it, they cover their butts by saying Winslow wanted it.
Far fetched? Extremely. But it makes just as much sense as the rest of it!
Covering their butts by lying or misleading people into believing a player said something that he didn't say ... that's not good. I certainly hope it did not play out that way.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You've put together a well thought out post.Help me understand.
1. Punishment was the right move and fair.
What was the conduct that was deemed so detrimental?
I just can't force myself to believe it was the interview he gave.
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You've put together a well thought out post.Help me understand.
1. Punishment was the right move and fair.
What was the conduct that was deemed so detrimental?
I just can't force myself to believe it was the interview he gave.
Beyond his interview, I don't know. But that was enough for me. Justified or not, right or not, he shouldn't have taken those grievances to the media. Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, good can come of it.
It wasn't all that inflammatory, but it wasn't real good either. When you have other players trying to pull you away, that says a lot. It was wrong for him to take it to the media, and I believe that in and of itself deserved the punishment.
I have no idea if anything else happened beyond that.
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So you'd agree that the players should be allowed to talk poorly about the Browns front office?
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So you're pointing fingers at the FO,...?
Just asking,...I really don't care what's wrong,...I want it fixed !!
I think the punishment was justified because I don't think he should have aired the dirty laundry to the media. As to who's at fault over what actually happened, I don't know. But I'm just commenting on something that is not adding up.
You tell me, why would he not want the fact that he contracted staph disclosed? He doesn't have much to gain by not disclosing it, but the other party i.e., the Cleveland Browns do. Seems like 2+2=4 to me unless Winslow contracted it in a way that he wouldn't want people to know about. But then why would he then bring it up in the interview?
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A player can't come out and say he's been treated like a piece of meat by the organization. That player also can't come out and say there's a medical epidemic. Lastly, no matter what he's saying, a player can't come out and point the finger directly at the GM or the owner.
That's exactly what "conduct detrimental to the team" is all about.
In the NFL, words can hurt you.......
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Punish,...yes. Suspend from playing ??
Doesn't that hurt the very effort you're trying to make ?? Move forward ??
This is like Louie Dega in Papillon, when, from the stench, he discovers his leg is infected,....
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If,and only if,he's telling the truth.
If the FO is trying to play 3 card monty with the truth,I think I have a right to know about it.
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Now, if you were to call out your employer in the press, wouldn't you expect some repercussions?
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Bah,your probably right,but I still think the whole thing stinks on ice.
Joe McCarthy is alive and well in the NFL
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NRTU.
One more thing regarding his potential trade value.
Who is going to give up a 1st or 2nd round pick for a TE who is a primma-donna head case, has trick knees that require constant medical attention, has been demanding a new contract, is absolutely worthless as a blocker and doesn't show any effort to improve in that area, and lastly called out the GM, at which time he had to be shut down by his own teammates?
Winslow is damaged goods emotionally as well as physically, and is a one-dimensional player. His value is that of a 3rd round pick at best.
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Different set of circumstances,and you know it.
Besides,this country has enacted "whistle-blower" protection laws.I'd have the Feds on my side for a change.
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Move him to safety, so he has to hit somebody.
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Why? He hasn't shown any desire to do that since his rookie year 
By the way. All the players read these message boards. Don't believe otherwise. Kellen, if you haven't gotten the jist of it yet, take the hint: Grow up, and shut up.
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Move him to safety, so he has to hit somebody.
He actually likes to do that ... to the tune of about 1 offensive pass interference call a game.
Man, those drive me crazy.
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Punish,...yes. Suspend from playing ??
Doesn't that hurt the very effort you're trying to make ?? Move forward ??
Well ... in the games K2 has played in this year 1-4, in the game he missed 1-0. Take what you want from that.
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I LOVE YOU STEVE SANDERS! 
Seriously, Shockey got traded for a second, and he was always hurt and quite an jackass in NY. I think a team that feels they are close would give up quite a bit for K2. As a pass catcher he's darn good.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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The difference being Shockey can block, and though as oft-injured as Winslow, I don't believe he's had the dicey micro-fracture surgery on his knee that Winslow has had. Keep in mind that Winslow is allready diminished from what he was physically as a rookie. He's forever going to play in pain, and that knee will only continue to get worse.
Then there's the unfortunate fact that everyone in the league saw that the Giants didn't need Shockey at all to win the Super Bowl.
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6. Something is not adding up with the privacy issue. The team says Winslow wanted it quiet. Winslow says the team wanted it quiet. Why would Winslow want it quiet? That doesn't make sense to me.
Could be b/c of what he was in for - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephantiasis
There's a number of sites talking about this rumor and I had a reliable source tell me that this was the case. Apparently the Clinic has a 'VIP' level and this where K2 was. This area is reserved for celeb's or those w/ some $. Privacy being a big issue. Supposedly at least 5 of the staff of that level have been fired for looking at & disclosing what K2 had.
Assuming that his stuff had grown to the size of grapefruits, I'd probably want that kept private as well. Which would make sense why he would ask the team to not say anything and why the team would agree. What team or player wants the headlines to read "Star TE out w/ enlarged gonads"?
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If that is true, then they would have said that is was something different then staph, they would have said it was a virus, or the flu or something...they wouldn't say it was staph to cover up enlarged testicles...that would be idiotic...
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however, I have a hard time believing it was staph because you don't just come back a week later from it...it sometimes takes months...not 3 days...
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Come on, you just linked to wikipedia. That's not reputable.
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Not only that, but it's an old rumor.
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Come on, you just linked to wikipedia. That's not reputable.
he linked the disease to wikipedia...not anything about kellen winslow...
Doesn't it seem strange to everyone that he came back from a staph infection in one week. I am having a hard time believing that that is the truth...
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Doesn't it seem strange to everyone that he came back from a staph infection in one week. I am having a hard time believing that that is the truth...
Twas my thought as well.. I heard staph and I said to myself "Shoot, he's gone for the season" Them whammo, he's back in what.. 2 weeks? I thought staph was a big time problem to fix.
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When I had it a couple years ago I took four rounds of heavy duty antibiotics. Worked through it all once my cut healed. Not really that big a deal if caught early.
If, however, it was to the point that you needed to be hospitalized, I doubt you would be back the following week.
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All I will say on the subject is that Toad is right. This is a contract issue. It's the perfect situation for him to mouth off and apply pressure (though I think it's a stupid move). He can say he was hospitalized because Savage spit in his mouth and gave him a disease and the Browns can't comment on it because of privacy issues (much like HPPA). The Browns can't reveal medical information about a player without the player's consent. So, the Browns are handcuffed to come out and refute what's been said.
As always, take it for what it's worth.
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If the issue isn't staph, they can say so. HIPPA regs don't give you license to make up lies about others.
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From what I understand, that isn't the way it is being interpreted. The stance, at this point, is that no comments can be made for fear of repercussions. That may not be what is actually in HIPPA, but that is the stance being taken. I used the HIPPA reference because I thought that was what was being referred to when it was said because of privacy issues. That could be a bad assumption on my part to say it is because of HIPPA.
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Thanks for your input DM.. I know you've done some work looking this issue up and of course you have first hand experience. I defer to your knowledge of staph. I'm still learning.
I must say I am mystified that one week you are in the hospital with staph and the next you are playing football at the professional level..
If KW can kick it so fast, maybe we need to make a serum from his blood and give that to the rest of the guys,, Joey J should be first in line for that vaccine.
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I'm not really sure either, we'll have to ask Jules since HIPPA is her specialty. I see what you mean, though...
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Just my biased opinion, but the issue isn't staph, nor is it enlarged testicles.........the issue is prima donna boy is feeling left out, and the game against the giants hurt his feelings.
That is purely my opinion.
Here's another opinion. Winslow doesn't want to play for the Browns anymore - UNLESS he gets even bigger bucks.
Good riddance to him. I will not hate to see him leave. Sure, he'll have a good year or even 3 somehwere else, but he's not worth a 5 year contract.
And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he change agents recently? And if so, is it true that the new agent doesn't get money from an old contract? If so, you can see why his new agent is pushing for a new contract.
If I have that wrong, I apologize upfront.
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I happen to agree the staph isn't the issue. But, he shouldn't have said it was if it wasn't. That doesn't sit well with the fans and he knows it...perhaps that was the point. 
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K2 may have been very stupid when he was young on the Browns, However his play over the last 2 Seasons have impressed me. When he is healthy he is a Beast he catches passes that should not be caught. His weakness is Blocking and his Mouth. I do not want to see him leave the Browns, when healthy he is one of the best tight-ends in the NFL. We need all the talent we can get.
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Come on, you just linked to wikipedia. That's not reputable.
Did you bother to read the link? NOTHING about K2. Just about the suggested/rumored issue he was having.
Point was - makes sense that he would not want the world to know that his junk was enlarged to the point that he could not walk or perform on the field. I mean, what guy wants the world to know that? Esp an ego-driven kid like K2?
As others have said, if this was purely staph, he sure bounced back quickly... A medical marvel almost. Or maybe his junk just got enflamed and he needed some med's to calm it down.
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If the issue isn't staph, they can say so. HIPPA regs don't give you license to make up lies about others.
I think otherwise, but I don't know. I believe HIPPA forbids ANY information being given about a patient unless that patient expressly permits it.
In other words, I do not believe the Browns were legally able to say "no, it's not "x". If they were able to, a savvy reporter would ask a million questions till they narrowed it down.
Ever see a hospital representative answer "we have no information about a patient by that name" when the reporters followed that patient to the hospital?
Maybe I'm wrong.
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As michelle said Staph really can be a quick fix if caught early...
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I have some expertise in regards to HIPPAA. Absolutely no info regarding diagnosis and/or treatment can be given to anyone without a release signed by the patient, guardian or POA. He can specify exactly what and how much of the info can be released...and who it can be released to. The team very well may have had their hands tied. I don't know if there's anything in NFL contracts as far as releasing medical info to the public or not.
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