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If it's true... What a scumbag.

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This has been going on forever, year after year, This isnt the leauge for holier than thou

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As it turns out, Brett Favre’s position that the report he talked to the Lions before their Week Two game against the Packers is “total B.S.” is, well, total B.S.

OK, maybe not total B.S. But B.S. nonetheless.

In press conference remarks that likely sounded a lot more innocuous to Brett as he was saying the words than they’ll appear when reduced to writing, Favre admits to talking with Lions CEO Matt Millen prior to the game.

And Favre admits that Millen asked him about the things the Packers have done in the past when playing the Lions.

And Favre admits that he responded to Millen’s question.

And Favre admits that he assumed others were in the room listening while he spoke to Millen.

That said, Favre took strong positions on some of the key points. He emphasized, for example, that he didn’t have a “game plan” in his lap when talking to Millen. Well, no one ever said that he did. The report from FOX’s Jay Glazer was/is that Favre spent time talking to the Lions in an effort to help the Lions prepare to play Favre’s former team.

Favre also stressed that this happens all the time, pointing to communications with former Arizona defensive end Calvin Pace as his new team, the Jets, prepared to play his old team, the Cardinals.

But Favre overlooked the main point here. He doesn’t play for the Lions. And so while it’s fair game for former coaches and players to help their new teams get ready to play their old teams, the notion that Favre said anything other than “Matt, I’m really not comfortable with this, since the Packers paid me damn good money for 16 years and they’re eventually gonna retire my jersey and they still have a $30 million marketing deal on the table” is troubling to us, and it should be very troubling to every Packers fan.

Favre confirmed that the conversation was the result of efforts by Millen to get in touch with the Jets quarterback to invite him to go hunting on Matt’s property, which is roughly an hour from Favre’s new place of employment. (Favre also said that Millen pointed out that he has bulldozers and tractors, in the event Favre needs to relieve some tension. Maybe we need to drive a bulldozer or a tractor to appreciate the medicinal value of such endeavors, but we’ve yet to see a construction worker who seems mellow.)

Coincidentally, the duo finally got connected in the days preceding the game between the Packers and the Lions.

Favre tried to downplay the import of his comments to Millen by suggesting that Favre didn’t remember much about what the Packers did when playing the Lions last year (but, naturally, Favre remembers vividly that he completed 22 straight passes), and by noting that he hasn’t been in the Packers’ offense for more than a year.

But here’s the truth. Favre was a member of the organization for more than a decade and a half. Though Mike McCarthy had been the head coach for only the last two years of Favre’s career there, the offense is the same.

And Brett hasn’t been out of the offense for more than a year; he last played as a Packer less than nine months ago.

Have tweaks been made since Aaron Rodgers became the quarterback? Sure. Are the Packers still doing a lot of the stuff that they did when Favre was the quarterback? Absolutely.

The question from Millen surely wasn’t confined, as Brett claims, to what the Packers have done in the past against the Lions. The question undoubtedly was aimed at finding out what the Packers do generally.

As Brett observed out, the Lions can watch film in an effort to decipher strategies and tendencies. But why spend all that time searching for something you might never find when the guy who was the quarterback of the team every single game for 16 straight seasons is willing to spill his guts?

Favre also claims that the conversation was shorter than reported. He says that he talked with Millen (and whoever was in the room listening) for 15-to-20 minutes. Favre also claims that half the time was spent talking about hunting and other non-football things (perhaps like throwing a dead turkey in a teammate’s locker), and that the rest of the time was spent talking football.

But if Favre is telling the truth about the duration of the call, Favre could have passed along plenty of useful nuggets in only 7-to-10 minutes of time.

Bottom line? Favre’s initial comments to Peter King indicate strongly that no communications of any kind occurred. It’s ”total B.S.,” he said, “not true and pretty ridiculous. I’m telling you it’s not true. What the hell is [FOX’s] problem?”

Now, Favre is singing a far different tune as he tries to strike a balance between conceding portions of the story without (as King suggested) “irrevocably tarnish[ing]” his reputation in Wisconsin.

If anything, Favre’s words prove to us that Glazer was right. And given that Favre initially tried to call the entire story “B.S.”, we choose to conclude that any portion of his dramatically revised version that conflicts with Glazer’s story is B.S., too.

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Favre confirmed that the conversation was the result of efforts by Millen to get in touch with the Jets quarterback to invite him to go hunting

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Favre confirmed that the conversation was the result of efforts by Millen to get in touch with the Jets quarterback to invite him to go hunting

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Yeah, I know Florida. I'm sure the timing was purely coincidental

Like all of Favre's stories, there's more holes than a block of swiss. Comments such as "I haven't been in that offense in over a year" are pure cover-up garbage. What........After bringing along Rodgers in McCarthy's version of the WCO since 2005, they are suddenly going to change it when Rodgers is finally the starter

Millen talking to Favre.......One weasel to another.....How very apropo.....


On a side note, where are all the people in the media that said the Packers were idiots for letting Favre go? They don't have crap to say now, do they? I always felt that Rodges was the guy not only the Niners, but the BROWNS should have gone with. So fast forward four years........Frye is the 3rd string backup to a 5'9 converted wide receiver in Seattle, Smith is an absolute BUST in San Fran, helping to cost Nolan his job, and Rodgers is playing at a pro-bowl level with 12 TD's, 4 INT's, a 99 rating, and a 65% completion rate.

GG Nolan, GG Savage

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the process of events went like this. millen wanted to ask favre to go hunting. then favre asked who the lions were playing and they said, the packers. favre asks if they wanted tips, to which they said "hell yea." millen set it up, and favre, knowing coaching staff was listening, talked about the offensive philosophy. how you see that quote as absolving favre is crazy.

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I never said it absolved him of everything, but it makes a huge difference from the theory that he is calling up Packers opponents, unsolicited, and giving up game secrets.

Like if you are walking behind some guy and he drops a $10 bill, and you pick it up when he walks away, versus you reaching your hand in his pocket and taking it. Neither one it ethically correct, but one is much less scumbagish(new word) ).

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" I always felt that Rodgers was the guy not only the Niners, but the BROWNS should have gone with."

Looks fine now. But no one I can remember was saying take Rodgers over BE back in 05. Could/would we have sat him for 3 years ? Would his progress have been the same here ?

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I did I also got hammered by various posters by pointing out how far Rodgers fell, indicating he wasn't as good as I thought he was.

Furthermore, while I wanted Rogers or Campbell, I stated very clearly they were developmental players, not guys that should come in and start right away. Now would they have been successful if we'd have started them right out of the gate? I can't say for sure, but what I can say is that those players look pretty good now, don't they

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SAL PAL SAYS FAVRE IS LYING
Posted by Mike Florio on October 23, 2008, 6:09 p.m.
It’s been a big week for 790 The Zone in Atlanta. Six days ago, Ravens defensive end Terrell Suggs made some comments that created quite the national stir.

On Thursday morning, we started receiving e-mail after e-mail from folks who heard an interview of ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio on 790 The Zone’s Mayhem in the A.M.

During the spot, Paolantonio weighs in on the Brett Favre situation.

Paolantonio clearly believes Jay Glazer’s report that Favre helped the Lions prepare to play the Packers, notwithstanding ESPN’s official “please move along, there’s nothing to look at” position.

“Do I think what he did was wrong? Yes,” Paolantonio said Favre, who reportedly flatly denied Glazer’s report on Sunday night but seemed to stake out a middle ground during a Wednesday press conference.

“Favre has to be smarter than that, and he was never terribly smart,” Paolantonio said. “He feels like he can just lie. . . . You can’t lie, because (a) you’re Brett Favre and (b) we’re gonna catch you on it. So you’re lying. That’s the biggest problem I have with this whole thing. Just own up to it. . . .

“The whole thing is just implausible that he would not just come out and tell the truth. Just tell the truth. . . . He gave the story legs.”

But what of the fact that the Lions still were blown out?

“So you weren’t very much help, and you aren’t very much help to the Jets,” Paolantonio said. “So go home.”

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