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The problem I said in another thread was that if you bring in Quinn , is that gonna make Brayless start catching everything?
Brayless is the only one who can stop the drops.
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I can tell you exactly what's wrong with Edwards, though I doubt few will believe me.
He knows he drops the easy ones. It's a case of over-concentration. He concentrates so hard on watching the ball into his hands that is paralyzes his ability to actually catch the ball.
Here's another example.
Remember growing up how your parents always told you to look people in the eye when talking to them? Did you ever have a time where you got so focused on making sure you stared the person in the eye that you completely forgot or couldn't concentrate on what it was they were actually saying?
That's the problem.
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Technique.Follow through..
U open your hands as soon as the ball arrives and close them and pull it in..he's letting the ball go through his fingers..
I'm teaching my son to catch..
First his problem is looking the ball in..then it's actually move to the ball and secure it..grasp it..close your hands around it.
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Inexcusible. Shouldn't surprise anyone, though. He showed this at Michigan.
That's what kills me. It seems so many people say "oh, that's just BE being BE".
Screw that. He's a first round draft pick and #1 rec, yet it's okay for him to drop balls? Oh, cause he makes some tough catches once in a while, so it's excusable?
Pathetic, sad reasoning. I'm not talking about you, either, cap.
So many on here gripe about DA being inconsistent and what him yanked for it, yet when Leon drops balls we get the "hey, he makes a few tough catches too" excuse. Sorry. I don't go for it. Don't hold 1 player accountable and blame him for losses due to inconsistency and then turn around and say another players inconstency is fine. Doesn't work for me.
If BE is known for the dropsies, and has been since college, why the heck is he our #1 rec?
Even though he wouldn't talk to the media, I'm still pretty sure he somehow managed to get his check deposited today. He's probably saving up for acting lessons. I don't know that he needs them though, as he has acted like he's a prime time receiver and many people have bought into it. As an actor, he's a sure thing - until it comes time to deliver a line that is.
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Most #1 receivers in this league can make that play. It was good, but far from "OH MY GOD! ONLY EDWARDS CAN MAKE THAT CATCH!"
People need to stop excusing his drops by suggesting his big catches make up for it. THEY DON'T.
My point was more that the throw was thrown better to the defender than the receiver.  Much like the Winslow interference throw, and the "screen pass"
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Edwards......bottom line at the end of the day, is what he is, a # 2 reciever, no matter how much we all wanna believe he's more he hasent proven he anything but an inconsistant # 2 reciever who wants # 1 money, wait where have we heard that before. He is not in the elite status of WR in thie leauge, nor should he get paid as such. Is he better than most, yes sure he is, but he has issues, that will forever keep him from being a elite player....drop # 1..it's something that is in his head so deep I dont know if he will ever be able to change that, if you want BE you have to deal with drops.
no matter how you discribe BE or what angle you approch this matter bottom line is BE drops the ball....you can call an apple an orange and wait for it to change but at the end of the day it's still an apple, always will be.
it wont be long until we have to face the fact, resign BE and live with his drops or let him walk and lose a pretty good # 2 reciever. becuase he's both.
We will have to face the music with KW soon, resign and live with his mouth and attitude or let him walk and lose a pretty good TE.
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If I'm Phil I start looking at what I can do to improve the receiving corps..
Look at getting a RELIABLE big play guy and move Brayless down to the # 2..actually the defense needs more help...but the offense needs a weapon.
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Somebody needs to grow a set and put his butt on the bench for a game.I think a Thur.prime time would be just the ticket.Codelling hasn't worked,a little tough love might.
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Well, at least we know he'll never get staph........hell, he can't even catch a cold. 
 I was wondering when the "Braylon can't even catch staph around here" jokes would start. 
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With Brady Quinn throwing the football, Edwards is going to drop less footballs. If he has less than 12 drops then that proves it.
hahah....just kidding.
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Braylon has been very dissapointing. Should the browns try to draft Michael Crabtree? He would take a lot of pressure off of Edwards.
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That's what kills me. It seems so many people say "oh, that's just BE being BE".
Screw that. He's a first round draft pick and #1 rec, yet it's okay for him to drop balls? Oh, cause he makes some tough catches once in a while, so it's excusable?
Pathetic, sad reasoning. I'm not talking about you, either, cap.
There's a difference between excusable and expected.
Read any scouting report on BE going into that draft...drops easy passes and tends to get alligator arms over the middle. I wanted him at #3 that year, and I wanted him knowing that those things were likely to become a factor over the years.
He's made some strides in going over the middle, but the drops have seemed to get worse...it's a mental thing, and at the moment it's become inexcuseable.
But to demand the moon from someone because of their draft status? Ain't going to happen...everyone has negatives in their scouting report, and it's foolish not to believe or expect them. Braylon drops easy ones. He always will.
The rate of his drops to the rate of his gains is what matters...and right now he's not balancing.
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the only guy that is going to solve this problem with drops is braylon himself.
the coaches can yell at him, the writers can call him out, the fans can ask that he be burned at the stake, but the drops are only going to stop when braylon gets it out of his head. it's a mental thing, it's not a hands thing, it's not a body-control thing, it's a mental thing.
he's having the year that chuck knoblauch had that year in new york, when he couldn't make the throw from the second base position to first base.
the hard part is beating your receiver and getting into position, the easier part is just putting your hands on the ball, if you're a professional, those should be given.
it's a mental thing, and there is no doubt that he will get that fixed. didn't owens lead the league in drops a few years ago?
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We don't need a Michael Crabtree on this team. Guy is a straight stud but man...we still have a lot to do in the trenches. LB, DL, OL.
The skill positions...we're fine.
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I don't think we need to draft early for a WR. You can easily get a late rouund guy to contribute, and also pick up a WR in free agency.
I think you spend your early/ day one picks on other spots than WR.
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Of course..what we will need to aquire is a # 2 guy..if they bring Stallworthless back..they're clueless.
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Grill Edwards...Rake him over the coals? Sure if it makes him catch the ball better, but I'm not sure that is the case.
Look sometimes I like to simplify things....of course the length of my posts will have some of you going  lol 
He's a WR - he doesn't define our team. For ever drop pass he has which is never good but fixable, he has a great catch that keeps drives going or gives us a TD that probably no other WR would...or far n few between.
Do I think he's worth the invested Overall #3 pick? No, I don't think any WR for that matter is worth that investment status. I've said it before give me a stable of 4.6 tall...or 4.4 to 4.5 small WRs WITH GOOD HANDS, RUN GOOD ROUTES, WILLING TO BLOCK! And I'll give you a crew to win a championship with! Stud WRs are nice but not necessary in a TEAM concept.
Its a multiple position - so that all the eggs are not in one basket. We can live with his drops as long as he continues to have the successes during this troubled time. He will not continue to drop passes like this. He'll get into a good streak. Hopefully we can coach him out of it. Send him to the Cris Carter school??? Didn't he have a similar problem that he worked out of??? Does BE go there already???
Anyways, its simple. He will need his 2nd contract soon. If he drops them so does his contract. Nothing says we got to keep him. Use the money we have planned for in a STUD BE on another stud - Fitz, Roy Williams??? Just name dropping not making a study about this but I don't see WRs getting franchised often??? Not an expert on WR happening around the league cause as mentioned - team wise. Give me a healthy Stallworth, Welker, Smith of the Giants, a bevy of WRs with good hands who run good routes. This will win you more games then having the Super Stud! I mean if you got one...fine its a luxery item. I liken it to a Wedding ring. Is it the one that is most EXPENSIVE and STUNNING that will ensure the marriage is successful. Or is the commitment behind the ring!
What is wrong with our team is not the drops. It is not the befalling of DA. He made his own bed. Look everyone wants to give excuses for DA fine. But I'll tell you all this.
Who was the team with THE MOST DROPPED PASSES in 07? It was the NY Giants...you know the SB winning Giants. When you got a franchise QB, he learns to live with a disappointment and keeps on ticking. Not go into this frazzled panic mode that DA seems to walk on Eggshells regarding his mental status with the game.
Its simple - BE has to become better or he will become an Oakland Raider...and I use that as reference to going to a team heading nowhere cause the owner will pay for players none else will be willing to spend the money on cause he has a vision of his team being able to Morphasize a player into greatness cause he is a RAIDER.
I call it senile. 
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Actually for what is expected of him he does define what SAVAGE wanted when he drafted him..big play guy for the offense.
Thats his role..big play guy..can't get big plays if your reciever has lead for fingers..
One big catch makes him look good UNTIL he bobbles another.
This team had had all of their # 1 recievers since 99 be inconsistant players..droppers..
And this certainly doesn't have anything to do with DA..this shouldn't continue to be happening with him , but this is his M.O.since Wolverine days..
And mentioning Stallworth just handicapped it more because he's not a player to be counted on..too injury prone..and it's little crap..remember Bodden..same thing applies here.
At least he did get on the fielda few more plays.
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Correct me if I'm wrong ; but he didn't have the best Rep. coming out of Michigan ... 
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What about the Savage pick of Wimbley at #6 or was it seven ???
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threads about Edwards...don't understand your question of Wimbley???
Me doing the shopping...no need cause we would have had Merriman already...lol 
But your need to put Savage down has biasly made you think we got Wimbley that high...lol it was at 13
But since we had Merriman already - I would have gone maybe Ngata or Bunkley but really I think I would have traded down or even right there taken DeAngelo Williams.
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# 13 , well I was close .. .. " Merriman " Boy was I there with you ! .. Remember : our pick was to high to take a Linebacker 
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Back onto the medieval torture of raking one over the coals...
Please don't come down on me that I'm making excuses for BE...I like to find out reasons why...cause its the way I would coach...find the problem and then you find the solution.
1. I know BE had a lot of drops last year so this doesn't help what I'm putting out there.
2. BE looked real sharp in early TC and preseason.
3. He did his version of the KW2 Jock Rocket...nowhere as devastating but still stupid. The Race...barefooted and cleated badly.
4. So bad he missed a month...we hear the rumors of damage and some damage had to be done to the Achilles tendon. Of course sewn up - a how mess of stitches he recieved.
5. I played a lot of baseball (outfield in my Division 1 days) and coached it as well. You have to do a lot of running for balls in the air...you had to do so running literally on your toes (balls of the feet but the more towards the toes the better).
6. This would keep your head still as you ran - Still head, Still eyes and the ball is plain to see and concentrate on.
7. If you ran anywhere close to flat footed your head would bounce with each pounding of the foot...thus your eyes would bounce and the object you were concentrating on would bounce up n down making very hard to focus on correctly.
8. Unfortunately I've also experienced a ruptured Achilles tendon. Now I know I'm old and no longer an athlete when I ruptured it. But its a lot harder for me to get up on my toes as my right foot/leg is weaker then the left and I can only stay up marginally...also I seem to walk (don't really run much anymore) a lot more flat footed...plop, plop.
Well on that long bomb that BE dropped. On the replay I was looking at his eyes cause I wanted to see why BE dropped it. I was expecting to see any moment an AHA! situation where his eyes would leave the ball too soon to see where he was running but that never came...and yet he still missed the ball.
This baffled me everytime I would remember it. And then this discussion among many others about BE...and then I started thinking. Possibly he did damage his tendon and he just doesn't have that bounce back that he had and without thinking about it he naturally will tend to run a little flat footed???
Is it possible this is the major culprit...he seems to make his best catches when his feet leave the ground. And most of his drops are when he's on a dead run.
Well just food for thought rather than to keep castigating him...maybe there is a problem and with a problem found there's a solution  
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He will not continue to drop passes like this.
I think that's wishful thinking since he has had the dropsies going all the way back to his Michigan days.
He does make great catches but that doesn't excuse the drops. When we are throwing only once in every three downs, those drops are huge. I think Edwards is up to 12 drops this year (he had around 20 last year). in only 8 games. We all are willing to throw DA under the bus because he is inconsistant. I don't think BE should be treated any different, especially since he was the 3rd overall pick.
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He will not continue to drop passes like this.
I think that's wishful thinking since he has had the dropsies going all the way back to his Michigan days.
He does make great catches but that doesn't excuse the drops. When we are throwing only once in every three downs, those drops are huge. I think Edwards is up to 12 drops this year (he had around 20 last year). in only 8 games. We all are willing to throw DA under the bus because he is inconsistant. I don't think BE should be treated any different, especially since he was the 3rd overall pick.
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I keep telling everyone what's wrong, and it has nothing to do with him physically.
It's all in his head.
It's a case of OVERconcentration. Nothing more. He makes the crazy catches because he simply lets his natural ability and insticts do their job. He drops the easy catches because he focuses SOOOOO hard on watching the ball into his hands that he gets paralyzed by the process.
As I explained to Attack, the easiest analogy to make is a simple one that we were always taught as kids: Always look someone in the eye.
Have you ever focused so hard on making sure that you keep eye contact with someone that it distracts you from listening to what it is they are saying?
That's what's going on with Edwards. He knows he has the drops. So when it's an easy catch, he focuses too hard.....focuses on looking it all the way in......then simply drops the ball because his focus is on watching it in.
It's also the hardest thing to overcome because it's all mental, not physical. It's also something he's never going to overcome. He was this in college, and he's this in the pro's. He's always going to catch balls that many others can't, and he's always going to lead or be at the top of the league in drops.
Oh yeah, he's also always going to be an ass.
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I have to disagree with you on this one Toad. BE's dropps have happened for a few reasons. He sometimes takes his eyes OFF the ball, he will try to run before he catches the ball, he will drop the ones like the long pass on Sunday, for only God knows what reason, and sometimes he just looks like he has Roberto Durans old hands of stone. At other times he will get the old gator arms going over the middle as well. I think his problem is a lack of concenttration. He has never learned that the first and only thing you worry about is catching the ball. THEN and only then do you worry about picking up extra yards , busting off that long TD catch, or looking out for defenders.
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Oh yeah, he's also always going to be an ass.
I agreed with just about everything you said until you got to the personal attack. I think BE has been a solid and positive influence on our community. Why is he an ass?
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Please don't come down on me that I'm making excuses for BE...I like to find out reasons why...cause its the way I would coach...find the problem and then you find the solution.
Na...I know you better than that....he has a problem..but it may be as Toad suggested and I 'm wondering..
For all his cocky arrogant attitude..is he (deep down) afraid he won't make the catch?
So bad he missed a month...we hear the rumors of damage and some damage had to be done to the Achilles tendon. Of course sewn up - a how mess of stitches he recieved.
I ruptured both of my tendons so I know the after effects it has on you..
Is it possible this is the major culprit...he seems to make his best catches when his feet leave the ground. And most of his drops are when he's on a dead run.
I've seen him drop some when he goes up tries to let it comer into his belly and it pops out..I've seen him stretch up..only to have it go through the fingers..
It could be a combination..a lack of concentration on one play..and trying too hard on another..
Since he's had the problem since Wolverine days..the coaches need to find out how to correct it.
See Toad I didn't dismiss it..
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Didn't think you did man 
Wanted to throw something here. The article is actually about Crennel and the "decision" as it's being called, but this tidbit about Edwards speaks volumes....
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This is what one of them, requesting anonymity, told me:
"Derek got robbed. Braylon (Edwards) is unprofessional, lazy, has all the ability you want but is an underachiever – and still starts. Guys don’t like it. Derek benched, Braylon plays? Double standard. That’s bending rules. Derek has been done an injustice."
To which Crennel replied: "Players have a different view of things sometimes than coaches do. Coaches make decisions to try to win games. That’s it."
I'm clearly not the only one who thinks Edwards is an ass.......
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It might be in the video archive, but I remember JJ basically calling him out in the offseason between '06 and '07. I truly believe that he helped keep Edwards humble last year. We really miss him.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was JJ that said that this year. I suppose it could also be Fraley or Lewis since they both bust their arses.
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Let's be honest man........It could be any one of the guys on the active roster. Edwards isn't the most loved player.........
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I saw this on one of the ESPN discussions, and I wanted to pass it along, and my apologies if I am stealing anyone else's work.
" is it true that the Browns didn't give Braylon Edwards any flu shots this year because they figured he wouldn't catch anything?"
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I think some more comments about Edwards...errr Dropwards are welcome after his stellar performance last night 
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