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I know theres a Winslow thread out there...but its getting pretty long, so maybe this could be a part 2... http://www.ohio.com/sports/33205214.htmlBrowns should release disruptive Winslow By Patrick McManamon Beacon Journal sports columnist Published on Friday, Oct 24, 2008 The Browns suspended Kellen Winslow for one game. They should go further and give him the release that he desires. Winning isn't worth what Winslow has put the Browns through the past couple of weeks. General Manager Phil Savage made that clear during an overly emotional radio interview Thursday morning on WTAM (1100-AM). It wasn't what Savage said, because he didn't reveal a lot, but how he said certain things that make this plain. And given the circumstances that led to his speaking, it's understandable Savage was upset. Just like it's apparent that the Browns were right to suspend Winslow, that his actions warranted the suspension. Winslow can talk all he wants about staph and how he wants to look out for his teammates. His public display was about protecting himself and about his desire to leave the Browns. He's an amazingly talented player with a drive to be great. I've been one of his biggest supporters, for good on-field reasons. But things off the field have reached a point where the Browns as a team had to take the stand they did. Now it's time to take a stronger one. Savage explained that because of legal issues and federal HIPAA laws, the team could not reveal the nature of Winslow's illness without his approval. ''Given the nature of this situation, it seemed that the people involved wouldn't want it out there,'' Savage said. Savage also called Winslow's condition a ''nonfootball illness that occurred during the bye week.'' He added: ''Our hands are tied in certain situations on these medical things. It was all agreed upon.'' Agreed upon by Winslow and his ''people.'' After spending several days in the hospital, Winslow returned to the Browns and practiced Oct. 16. He agreed that things should be kept quiet. By Friday he was hinting that the team wanted it quiet, not him. By Sunday he played in a loss, and, as Savage said, ''the whole thing changed.'' Coach Romeo Crennel then talked to Winslow on the team plane and told him no more. After landing, Winslow was more inflammatory with ESPN.com. This all happened a few days after the Oct. 14 trading deadline had passed. Winslow told the Browns before the deadline that he wanted a trade — he was unhappy his contract had not been renegotiated. Nobody would give anything for him. Is it just a coincidence that he started to be vocal once he realized that he would be with the Browns for the rest of this season, and maybe for the rest of his contract, which runs through 2010? I hardly think so. The only way to get himself out of Cleveland would be to be disruptive. He was, and Savage clearly seethed that in doing so Winslow questioned the Browns' desire and approach in trying to control staph infections. For those who advocate freedom of speech, well freedom of speech is a tenuous concept, at best, in a private workplace. Winslow questioned the team's integrity. Savage was extremely emotional about naming the people who work for the Browns. Is there a better way to defend people, and was there a better way for Savage to approach the interview? No doubt. It would be nice if Savage had met with the entire media crew and not his hand-picked forum. At one point he even ticked off his job responsibilities, and said, ''Now that's a big job.'' Those who have lost their jobs in the past year must feel great sympathy. How about this? ''We feel we had good reason to suspend him. We stand by it. Now let's talk about Jacksonville'' That would have worked, no? But, that doesn't mean Savage's emotions were not genuine. ''For us to be characterized in this way on a national stage is absolutely unacceptable,'' Savage said. ''And that's why we did what we did.'' Note that on Wednesday when his teammates were asked about Winslow, not one expressed concern about the team's approach to staph, and not one came to Winslow's defense. That's not an accident. Savage and Crennel said they would welcome Winslow back, provided that he's not disruptive and that he is productive. It's too late. The Browns are a 2-4 team with Winslow playing while worried about his contract. What will they be with him playing while obsessed about getting out of Cleveland? It's too bad the option to keep him inactive the rest of the season — a la the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Keyshawn Johnson — is no longer there. (That move does not exist under the current NFL collective bargaining agreement.) So release him. Winslow can find out what he's worth on the open market, and the Browns can move on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick McManamon can be reached at [Email]pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com.[/Email] Read his blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- didnt see if that was in the Winslow thread, but...interesting take. I wouldnt be completely opposed. Look at us v. the Giants, and look at the Giants minus Jeremy Shockey. Maybe disruptive TEs that are good arent worth it.
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Dear Pat,
I didn't even read your article (which I normally read all of yours that I see), but based soley on the title all I have to say is: You're on Crack.
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He may not be on crack, but something has caused a dysfunction in his gray matter.
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I like Pat's stuff, but I don't see where just dropping Winslow does us any good. IMO, that sends the message "want out of Cleveland? Just complain and we'll send you packing!"
Why not wait until after the season and at least get something in return, even if it's only a couple of lower round draft picks (although I'd be surprised if we go anywhere below 3rd in our demands).
Heck, Winslow likely has the motivation now to come out and perform at his highest level ever, if only to give him bargaining status in the offseason.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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No Pat, you don't just release a pro bowl player like Winslow because you worried he may be disruptive.
I do think its a shame this didn't happen a couple weeks before the trade deadline, but hey, it is what it is.
The Browns might want to find a way to "protect" their investment in Winslow though. The last thing the Browns need is for Winslow to be injured during the season, thus reducing his trade value.
Maybe Phil can get creative and find a way to keep KW2 on the bench for the rest of the season, without being disruptive to the team?
KW2 wants to be traded and the Browns will surely accommodate him as soon as they can get fair value in return. Best for all concerned to be patient knowing it's all gonna work out before draft day, 2009.
Take a seat on the bench, KW2...
But we do not release him now, Pat...that would be plain dumb!
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I say Bingo but this no-brainer concept has obviously elluded Pat.
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It's Catch-22,....if he doesn't play, you have to accept some "reduced value." If he plays and they win the Super Bowl  , he'll be all "me-me-me, lookie what I did, SEE ! " And if he plays, we get what we got against Washington. It's no win, no-pun-intended, right now as I see it.
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http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/32129779.htmlSuspension first step to Winslow leaving Browns Winslow has an agent known for his tactics By Patrick McManamon Beacon Journal sports columnist Published on Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 The suspension of Kellen Winslow for Sunday's game against the Jacksonville Jaguars is more than a one-game sitdown. It's the beginning of the end of Winslow's time with the Browns. This comes from nothing anyone said privately or publicly, but from the occurrences of the past few days and from the statement released by General Manager Phil Savage that was so cold it had icicles dripping from it. This clearly is one angry GM. Savage has always been restrained with announcements and news. That he was blunt and direct in the statement about Winslow speaks volumes. Savage called Winslow's comments ''unwarranted, inappropriate, and unnecessarily disparaging to our organization.'' He said the comments ''brought unjustified negative attention to our organization, and violated the team-first concept of our football squad.'' He also gave a scintillating defense of the team's attempts to prevent and treat staph infection. Coach Romeo Crennel spoke on the issue on Monday — it would have been nice to hear from Savage at that point — and the coach did his best to defuse things. It did not sound like he favored a suspension. But Winslow undercut Crennel twice — first after the game on Sunday, then Monday morning when he had more to say after meeting with Crennel on the team plane Sunday night. Winslow cares about the team. But he also believes that he is better than most anyone and that is why he expects the ball. This time, though, he put himself ahead of the team. After a tough loss, he made it about himself. If his coach is not on board with the suspension — and does anyone expect Crennel to say anything today except ''we've moved on''? — Winslow need only realize he is the one who put his coach in this position. As for the staph infections, to imply that the team is not trying to prevent them is absurd. That being said, if any player on the team is not even mildly concerned about staph he's not looking at reality. It's scary — even though it's not exclusively a Browns problem. For that reason, Winslow had reason to be frustrated at again having staph. But his timing on his complaints was worthy of much head-scratching. Not to mention it's not wise to confront a GM in a hallway, clad fully in football gear except for a helmet. The case can be made that the suspension came too late. Savage had not publicly disciplined a player even though two years ago Braylon Edwards had his hands out asking for something (remember — the helicopter to Ohio State-Michigan and falling asleep in the players' lounge?). But in Winslow's case you have to wonder how much of what is happening is orchestrated to get Winslow out of Cleveland and into a new contract with another team. That's what Winslow has wanted since the offseason — for his contract to be redone. He knows that he's on borrowed time with his knee. The motorcycle accident that cost him a season also will cost him a longer career. With a couple or a few years left, he wants to get paid — and he also knows that he's played through pain that would have sidelined most players. The Browns were in no rush to redo the deal — and even drafted tight end Martin Rucker. Winslow's agent is Drew Rosenhaus, who gets big deals. He's also represented players who made things extremely unpleasant with the team. See: Terrell Owens doing situps in his driveway in Philadelphia. See: Chad Johnson, who spent the entire offseason trying to rile his way out of Cincinnati. See: Plaxico Burress, who got a new contract in the offseason and still was suspended for a game in New York. See: Lito Sheppard, who made a lot of noise in the offseason in Philadelphia about wanting a new contract after he had signed a five-year, $25 million deal in 2006 (Rosenhaus said Sheppard ''outperformed'' the contract). Players know Rosenhaus will get deals. It's the teams that have to deal with the tactics. Winslow will come back and be the good soldier — though that's probably not the best word to use when talking about him. But you almost wonder if an immediate clean break might not be best for everyone. This bridge isn't burned. It's blown into a million little pieces. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick McManamon can be reached at [Email]pmcmanamon@thebeaconjournal.com.[/Email] Read his blog at http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamon/.
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There are definitely some takeaways from this article but there's also some stupidity here. The fact that his teammates aren't supporting him along with rumors and inside information posted here now have me believing that Winslow is at fault for this and that Savage is rightfully angry. To release Winslow though would border on criminal stupidity.
This season is toast and to me it doesn't matter how disruptive Winslow is to the team THIS YEAR. If you're talking about a Pro Bowl tight end with some baggage and injury problems... well, look no further than his college teammate Jeremy Shockey. He disrupted the team, had injury problems, but was a supreme talent and landed the Giants a 2nd and 5th round pick because they held on to him for a season.
If we truly want to get rid of Winslow, we do it after the season and we do it for a hefty price. Regardless of how few takers there were at the deadline, the off-season opens up a wealth of possibilities and SOMEONE will want him. This situation is frustrating enough but to even suggest releasing Kellen without compensation is absolute lunacy. Sorry Pat.
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Were in trouble here on many fronts ... he more than likely needs to go .. problem is were not going to get much for him .. let me go over the scenarios and then I'll play captain obvious and say why we wonlt get much for him ..
His Positives ...
he is the BEST RECIEVING TE in football ... BAR NONE ... hes even better than Gates when Gates is healthy ..
he works his ass off and plays in pain ...
thats about it for the positives ..
his Negatives ...
HAS VERY VERY BAD KNEES .. he is a PHYSICAL LIABILITY in that his knees are pretty much shot ..
he has started the last 3 off seasons with knee surgeries ..
he can't practice much during the week anymore due to his knees ..
he has had 6 - 8 knee surgeries over the last 4 years .. thats alot of INVASIVE SURGERY on one area of the body ..
so that the begs the question .. HOW LONG DEOS HE HAVE LEFT??
can't block to save his life ..
is supposedly football "dumb" ..
he wants his contract re-done ... with is HEALTH ISSUES this becomes a MAJOR MAJOR STUMBLING BLOCK ..
thats alot of negative people .. and U can overlook most of them ... but due to the health issues he is a MAJOR MAJOR RISK ....
now lets look at the possible scenarios ...
1. he stays here .. and even with al the water under the bridge i believe it still has a shot to work IF HE WANTED IT TO ...
problem is he is obviously hell bent on a new contract ... and NO WAY should we give him one ... it would need to be a 2 year deal at best (If Opie invests in him past that .. i would start to really question Opie as that would just not make sense from a PURELY PHYSICAL STANDPOINT .. ) .. and there is no way we can give him the type of total money hes going to want in a two year contract ...
and if we force him to stay here hes gonna be a mal content .. and we donlt need that ..
2. we trade him ... and thats what were gonna do .. hes GONE .. there is a two fold problem here though ...
based on the fact he wants a new contract from us he will want one from his new team ... well I highly doubt any other teams want to invest in him long term due to his HEALTH ISSUES ..
hes DAMAGED GOODS with a VERY SHORT SHELF LIFE ...
thats in and of itself will make it hard to trade him .. cause no one is going to give up much for a player they know will be a mal content w/o a new contract .... and no way will they give him what he wants .. unless its an incentive laden contract ...
the other thing is .. wil his KNEE even pass other teams physicals at this point????
were going to have to pretty much giove this guy away for the above reasons .. the only teams really interested in him will be teams that are cose to winning it all and think he could be the piece to put them over the top .. and even then .. we still have to overcome the "health issues" and the "contract issues" ..
the best thing to do with him at seasons end ... let him go out and try and find a team that will give him what he wants .. then he will see there is NO ONE OUT THERE willing to give him what he wants .... that will have two affects ..
1. it will make him more willing to stay here and not be a mal content under his current contract ... and that one may not sit real well with us ..
2. it will make him easier to trade and we will get more for him cause he will be willing to go somewhere else (the contender) and be content toplay under the current contract .. therefore eliminating the "contract issues" ...
well there u have it in a nut shell folks ....
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there are still idiots out there, diam. (sorry, dOLts lol) we could trade him to al davis, who very believably might sign him to a retardedly overpriced contract. perfect scenario... 
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the best thing to do with him at seasons end ... let him go out and try and find a team that will give him what he wants .. then he will see there is NO ONE OUT THERE willing to give him what he wants .... that will have two affects ..
Thats usually what Phil does with players that want out or want too much money.
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There are some interesting GM's in our conference also..who might dangle a 5th ..and if thats all we get..might have to take it. DENVER!!! 
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Haha exactly, I guarantee you that there's someone out there who is going to downplay his injury issues because they want his talent. It happens both in the draft and in trades and, if trading Winslow is truly the answer, it'll happen again. Savage always finds a way to get the things he wants done.
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This season is toast and to me it doesn't matter how disruptive Winslow is to the team THIS YEAR.
I totally disagree with you on this one. If he's disruptvie this year and allowed to get away with it, it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team. I most certainly does matter how disruptive a player is, regardless of how poor the team's record is.
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just clicking...
Pat says Winslow asked to be traded. That's the first time I've heard that version of events.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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That's exactly what i said.
Yes, yes, let's release the guy who probably has the most trade value on our team. 
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He wants out? Fine.
Let's leave it up to him and his uber-agent to find a trade to our satisfaction. Let them do the leg work and realize he's not as wanted as he thinks he is.
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I totally disagree with you on this one. If he's disruptvie this year and allowed to get away with it, it sends a terrible message to the rest of the team. I most certainly does matter how disruptive a player is, regardless of how poor the team's record is.
I guess I should have rephrased a bit. In terms of us making the playoffs, it's probably not going to matter how disruptive Winslow is to this team because we're pretty much done. I never said to let him get away with it. Obviously you want to keep him under wraps and discipline him where appropriate. When weighing the alternatives though, I think keeping a disruptive force for 10 games and then getting a 2nd and 5th round pick far outweighs getting nothing for him given that I think this season is doomed anyway.
Winslow is obviously going to be a distraction but one distraction isn't going to disrupt a team enough that it's worth giving him to someone for free.
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They already did (or at least they planned on it last I checked).
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KC is a very possible destination.
Gonzalez is gone after the season ends, and Kellen would be very valuable there because they have absolutely 0 legit receivers or threats, unless you count Dwayne Bowe and I wouldnt.
The Raiders could use an effective TE as they dont have one. The Bengals dont have a legit TE not that wed ever trade within the division. The Dolphins, and maybe Bills would upgrade with KW2, Buffalo never would go for it though because they like blue-collar workman who dont complain.
Thats just in the AFC. The NFC West's whole division could use new TEs with maaaaaybe the exception of SF with Vernon Davis despite the fact hes proven nothing. Vikes have Shiancoe, but an actual weapon would be good to have. The Eagles want to upgrade their TE situation BAD.
i think the Eagles and Chiefs would be the most willing to make a move for Kellen
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B/S... Mcmanamon is nuts. Winslow had real concerns with Staph infection for what the 5th time? I can't blame him for letting it out of the bag. Also, I don't see where he is so disruptive. When healthy, he is by far the best player on the field.
Release him?.... what a joke.
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The rumor I saw what that the Eagles inquired about him..it seems that what was offered in return wasn't enough..or anything..
At this point in the season anything less than a 3rd isn't enough..I would gather Phil wanted at least a second for him..or some tenderizer..
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He went from respected writer to idiotic fan in one fell swoop.
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I got to getting curious as to what the cap hit of releasing or trading KW would be.. here is some of the salary / bonus figures from USATodays NFL salary database. I'm still trying to decide how to interpret the Cap Value figures. webbage Winslow, Kellen Year Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position 2007 Browns $ 2,000,000 $ 0 $ 1,607,500 $ 2,150,000 $ 2,599,584 TE 2006 Browns $ 542,500 $ 0 $ 4,950 $ 547,450 $ 3,607,659 TE 2005 Browns $ 305,000 $ 4,412,500 $ 5,060 $ 4,722,560 $ 3,604,435 TE 2004 Browns $ 230,000 $ 6,000,000 $ 720,000 $ 6,950,000 $ 1,950,000 TE
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The rumor I saw what that the Eagles inquired about him..it seems that what was offered in return wasn't enough..or anything..
At this point in the season anything less than a 3rd isn't enough..I would gather Phil wanted at least a second for him..or some tenderizer..
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hm, i would think a team that trades for KW to be a short window type of team. KC is rebuilding, i assume they would rather have draft picks than a 2-4 year threat at TE. if they didn't gonzo fills that role pretty well. philly would love to have another target, but i doubt they are relishing the idea of signing another a-hole receiver. gonz would have been perfect for them. there is always the haywire chance dallas or oakland comes after him just because of the wierd GM/owners. those guys have an odd attraction to problem cases. seattle could have been a good target to squeeze before the deadline, they were dying for any passing threat. i guess it's moot anyways till spring..
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Trade him to Detroit and get our second round pick back, the one Butch gave away to move up one spot to pick KW.
Sorry guys but I wanted Ben R. that year and was upset we passed on him for KW.
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In an example of how the world is an ironic place, the Lions took Roy Williams and Teddy Lehman with the two picks we gave them for the right to draft KW2.
Neither player is with that team any longer.
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agree with your premise, but Oakland has Zach Miller, who both can catch and block (something Winslow used to do).
then again, Al Davis runs that team
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agree with your premise, but Oakland has Zach Miller, who both can catch and block (something Winslow used to do).
then again, Al Davis runs that team
Yeah, but Al Davis is a former first-round, athletic ability, name chaser to the extreme, regardless of how good of a fit they are with his organization.
If you don't believe me, just ask Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss, Gerard Warren, Warren Sapp, Javon Walker, DeAngelo Hall, Kwame Harris, Ashley Lelie....... eh, you get the idea. 
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j/c since it seems like we're migrating to this thread, here's another article. Quote:
Kellen Winslow is expected to return to the Browns’ lineup for the club’s Week Nine game vs. Baltimore.
Whether Winslow will be with the Browns in 2009 is another issue altogether.
After Winslow disclosed that he had contracted a staph infection — and accused the Browns of asking him not to disclose that information — the Browns reacted sharply, suspending him for the Oct. 26 game at Jacksonville in a move that brings into serious question whether the relationship between Winslow and the club is beyond repair. Winslow has filed a grievance, seeking to recoup his $235,294 game check.
Winslow’s comments, general manager Phil Savage said Oct. 21, “were unwarranted, inappropriate, and unnecessarily disparaging to our organization.” Savage also said that the Browns consulted with Winslow and his representation before keeping details of his condition private.
Through a publicist, Winslow released a statement not long after the Browns’ decision. “I take responsibility for the fact that there might have been a more constructive way to release this,” he said, “but when I tried to do so I was discouraged from making the issue public.”
Added Winslow, who also contracted a staph infection in 2005 after surgery on his right knee, which was injured in a motorcycle accident, “Regardless of how this was released the information would still remain the same. I contracted staph, again.”
Staph infections are a sensitive issue for the Browns; according to The Cleveland Plain Dealer, six Cleveland players have contracted staph since 2004. But it is an issue that the team has worked hard to combat, Savage noted, pointing out that the team had worked closely with its medical team to “ensure that any instances of staph infections are evaluated and treated thoroughly and expeditiously, and in accordance with the recommended standard of care. Further, steps have been and continue to be taken on a daily, monthly, and yearly basis to protect our players and personnel at our training facility and stadium.”
Although Winslow, in his statement, said that his criticism of the Browns had “nothing to do with my current contract situation,” his known dissatisfaction with his contract is another factor that has strained his relationship with the club. Winslow, who is signed through 2010, would like a new contract, but the Browns aren't in a rush to grant him that. However, were Winslow to be traded, he probably would get a new deal from his new club, considering that the acquiring team likely wouldn't want Winslow to test free agency after the 2010 season. The feeling in league circles is that if teams could put aside questions about Winslow's character, his talent alone would likely be enough to command more in trade than the Chiefs could get for TE Tony Gonzalez, who was shopped before the trading deadline.
And the prospect of a trade seems more likely than ever, the way we hear it.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+North/Cleveland/WWHI/2008/wwhi102408.htm
so it appears that we could get a 2nd and maybe additional later picks.
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They should go further and give him the release that he desires.
and get nothing for him... Pat is an idiot.
Winslow is worth at least a couple of picks that can be traded to maybe go back up in the 1st round next april..
Pat also makes a good case for getting rid of Winslow.. but to even suggest releasing him now shows how little Pat thinks things out..
That was just a dumb statement.
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I disagree, because teams can't put aside questions about his character. His character is a major reason why he's being talked about in a trade in the first place.
That article also says nothing about his busted-up knee, the one that's been operated on four times allready. When teams get a look at his medical chart, they'd see some things that would make them hesitate.
Also working against us is how the whole Shockey situation has played out:
Mouthy/ego-driven/selfish TE has pro-bowl talent but is oft-injured and has character issues. Player goes out, team succeeds without him. Player goes to new team, has marginal effect while being again injured and showing character concerns by offering negative public remarks about the organization.
The difference between Shockey and Winslow is that Shockey is a willing blocker. Winslow will never block again, most likely because it puts too much pressure on his rebuilt knee.
One more factor is money. The moment a team says they want to trade for him, Rosenhaus demands a new contract. Nobody wants to inherit him only to watch him be disgruntled because he didn't get a new deal. Unlike Shockey, who'd signed a new extension that runs through 2011, Winslow wants that new money in the form of a SB. So does Rosenhaus. When the Saints dealt for Shockey, he had FOUR years remaining on his deal. When a team trades for Winslow, he'll have TWO.
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Dear Pat,
I didn't even read your article (which I normally read all of yours that I see), but based soley on the title all I have to say is: You're on Crack.
Sincerely,
PPE
That's exactly what i said.
Yes, yes, let's release the guy who probably has the most trade value on our team.
You're simply brilliant, Pat!
Maybe you missed the part where it was said that we couldn't get anything of value for him.
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From OldColdDawg in Previous Winslow Thread
Toad, don't strain yourself. I usually agree with you.
This time I think Phil blew it. I have my opinion and it's not going to change.
He could have warned Winslow, he could have fined Winslow, he could have tarred and feathered him as far as I'm concerned BUT DON"T SUSPEND HIM. Stupidity.
Winslow has been a team player and a leader for the last two years. Very little if any trouble until this.(NOT COUNTING PRE MOTOR CYCLE CRASH)
He has matured and handled his job well. His wanting a new contract IS UNDERSTANDABLE. This is the NFL, not for long, and with his knee his career is probably not for long. So, why wouldn't he want to get as much as he can during those years, I would.
So if you add the fact that he has been a very solid player on and off the field for the past two years, the fact that he has played in pain with injuries (when others don't), the fact that Staph isn't something that should be hushed up...
KW2 was out of line in how he went off, given. KW2 might have been talked into keeping his illness secret, but why would he want to hide staph? So, unless there was another illness at the same time, no need for secrecy.
So KW2 blurts it out and justifies it with a purging of his emotions on how he feels he is being treated. Big Fn Deal. If Phil just ignores it and has Romeo handle it, Winslow appologizes and we move on.
BUT NO, Phil's ego got bruised so now we have Staph-gate and Winslow gets suspended for throwing PHIL under the bus. Well if Phil was terying to hide yet another case of staph from the team and FANS then he deserved to be thrown under the bus, hospital room agreements be damned.
$200K That's the monetary cost of KW2 suspension. It's not like SPY-gate, so how can you justify such a big penalty. You can't. He'll win his appeal, get his money and the only ones losing are the fans because we get to watch Rucker and Dinkins try to fill KW2's shoes on Sunday.
End of the Day, PHIL BLEW IT!
I agree 100%.
Phil is not showing leadership here. A leader handles this in-house, without suspension, media be damned.
It's petulance plain and simple.
As rish? said earlier in the other thread, Phil has had a problem every time the media has directly criticized him. I've had a problem with it for years and it's now getting amplified with the increased criticism.
You think KW2's ego is huge?!? Take a gander at how Phil's ego comes to the fore when his football decisions are questioned. How dare they! hahahaha
We need strong leadership here. Instead we have a petulant child rearing his head when there are signs of problems.
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Maybe you missed the part where it was said that we couldn't get anything of value for him.
At the trade deadline when most of the league realizes their season is over and their have been set months ago, no. During the off-season where every single team has playoff aspirations anew? A different matter entirely.
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good points. i just have to believe that, in the offseason, some foolish fo person will sell themselves that a change of scenary will do winslow good and give us a 2nd 
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