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You handle this differently than Gerard Lawson spouting off.
No, you don't. You absolutely CANNOT... or you'll lose every Gerard Lawson, Brodney Pool, Alex Hall and Jamal Lewis who works for you.
...and that means you've lost the TEAM.
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Absolutely not.
I'm saying you handle this with a deft touch - not let KW2 run roughshot over your organization.
You pull this matter in house.
Not cya style how they have.
If you think I'm wrong tell me then....how do you handle it? Bringing down a one game suspension...the way they've handled it...is worthless to me.
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Dead on, Clem. Add to that the situation was WISLOW"S doing, not the team's. He LIED about the organization and blamed everything on them because he was mad he had been on the trading block. His bruised ego caused this suspension, nothing more.
A one game suspension not only tells Winslow that he isn't above the team but it shows the rest of the team that they will deal with him, as he's been a problem for a long time with his me first attitude in the locker room. That "fire" may be there, but your "touchstone" of the team isn't a me first guy that is always concerned about himself in the locker room and in the huddle.
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Back to KW2. Is there a chance that it's frustrating to spend more than 48 hours in a hospital for a situation that he perceives is the teams fault?
With all that's been said, and proven and verified, why doesn't Winslow come out and say he definitely got staph from the Browns facilities? If he could/would do that, and it was in fact true, end of discussion. He's right, Browns are wrong.
However, all he has done is create the impression he got it from the Browns facilites. He has never said "yup" Personally, if his grievance is to be given any credibility, he needs to explain how he got it.
He knows what's going on, and the Browns know what's going on, and oddly enough Winslow is the only one that can allow the cause to be known. If he were right, he'd make it known.
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I just listened to the audio...again...I don't hear anything that sounds like verbal abuse against another team employee
Peen - I agree. If what was quoted in the article is truly the "Accosting of a PR employee" then this is a real stretch by the organization. However, this quote tells me there's more to this story:
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Palcic declined to comment Friday, but Browns spokesman Bill Bonsiewicz, when asked if another exchange took place with a member of the PR staff, said, "Yes, I was made aware of another exchange, but due to the fact there's a pending grievance, I'd prefer not to comment beyond that."
I'm guessing they're basing their argument on 2 things...
1 - Winslow's blaming his staph on the Browns in public isn't true (he contracted through something outside of the Browns facilities or medical staff)
2 - This "second" exchange with a PR person was much more aggregious than the one caught by the PD.
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You're absolutely right. It was the second exchange that is at issue. BTW, welcome to the board. 
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I know I would find it annoying if I had to have the PR person standing by listening to every word I said.
Winslow has a choice though. Abide by the rules of the company and continue in his job, and get paid for it, OR, disregard the rules of the company and go his own way. If he were not a football player for the Browns, he could do as he pleased. Problem is, he wants it both ways.....give me the money, but let me break the rules as well. It's not the Browns that are wrong in this situation, it's Winslow.
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guess the question is where was the infection located?? If some of the rumors we heard are true, then I understand why Winnie or the team might want to be quiet about the matter.
If the rumors are true, I can see why Winslow wouldn't want the truth known, and I can also see why he has not said where the infection started, or why. The Browns? I can't see them wanting to hide it, but I can see why they can't say, because Winslow won't let them.
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Thanks  I'm actually an old vet from the original board who hasn't been around for a while (got married, had a baby - all kinds of fun stuff). I guess if you're gone for about a year, they reset your ID, so I'm back to square one 
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If you think I'm wrong tell me then....how do you handle it?
Exactly as it was.
As I've understood it, the "deft touch" was already used before any of this became common knowledge. Privacy was agreed upon by both parties in advance. Then, K2 renegs, spouts off his mouth and implies that the Browns were at fault for his latest infection.
Now, it's a public issue... and casts the entire organization in a bad light. How you handle it from here on out reflects even more on the team. At this point the very best way to keep this from becoming a real PR nightmare AND an ongoing distraction is to BRING THE HAMMER DOWN.
Don't forget- the rest of the team is watching this, too... and if you think a one-game suspension is damaging to morale, waith 'til you see what a one-man wrecking crew can do. Oh... you don't have to wait. You can simply look at the 49ers/TO situation. Or the Eagles/TO situation. Or the Vikes/Moss situation. Or the... you get my point. Closer to home- the "deft touch" was constantly used by Butch Davis while he was here. Favorites were played, "stars" were coddled, and a double-standard was the order of the day- every day. Butch eventually lost the entire team and the respect of everyone because of it. Phil runs the risk of the same thing happening nw, if he allows players like K2 to do and say as they please with no fear of reprisal.
With a one-game suspension, you can handle this swiftly and effectively. It gives you the chance to clean up a potential mess, get your team's name off the front page, and get on with business. It also gives the team and the player a chance to make a fresh start (if the player is willing)... before the "wound festers"
(pardon the pun...)
Every kid growing up has the potential to be a willful brat. When time-outs, lectures and reasoning are all ignored, sometimes a spanking is in order. All it took was for My Pops to do it once in public (it was on the midway at Cedar Point, btw...) and I was no longer a problem for him.
K2 got spanked. Rightfully so, as well.
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Similar to ocho cinco - how he wasn't going to play for the bengals this year........and Lewis said "I'm sure chad is a man of his word".......and? The spoiled brat shut his yap and he's doing what this year? Playing for the bengals.
It's sad that "adults" sometimes need to be treated like 3 yr. olds, but we have to keep in mind people like to, moss, ocho, winslow, have been able to cry and whine and get their way all throughout their athletic careers (moreso winslow because of what he considers his "birth right").
Bam, drop the hammer on them, and they straighten up. Most of the time.
Respect is a funny thing. You don't get it till you earn it and give it. Just takes some people longer to figure it out I guess.
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What was your old name?
This one - CincyDawg. When my account got locked out, I was concerned I had lost this handle, but I was able to "re-create" it. I think I was at least at DawgTalker status. I never was a big poster. Mostly just lurked 
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If you have facts you'd like to disclose then disclose them. Playing the "you will see a few more things come out in the future" card is a little annyoning.
Lets see you find it annoying if Coach talks about things he has inside info on, and you find it annoying if I don't talk about things I have inside info on.  Your a hard guy to please 
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btw...if you know Amy....I know plenty of you guys here know her...she is welcome to hover in my general vicinity when I'm talking anytime she wishes. 
You mean Ma Kettle  Sorry Amy 
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Hey, I don't want my employees talking to the media unattended, either. That only makes sense to me. Players are representing the organization when they speak to the media...you can't allow them free reign.
I understand the reasons....that doesn't mean it isn't annoying.
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So when are people going to finally stop printing the loose brain stool McNanobrain puts out? It makes me angry that people still allow him to cover the Browns for their orgainzations. BTW... i wonder how "embracing the Steelers" is going for him? 
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what did u expect ... look at the guys moaning the loudest ... the usual cast of MeNZas ...
Peenie ... Hel .. Spec ... Otto .... Ammo ..
look at that group ... how much can u realistically expect??? ...
I wasn't moaning about anything. Hell I agree with the organization.
I disagreed with Pat Mac on his stoopid idea to outright release Winslow. He's one of the few guys on this team with any real trade value!
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Thanks I'm actually an old vet from the original board who hasn't been around for a while (got married, had a baby
I guess you do come from a ways back since you have Raven Killer in your sig.
Very astute pick up from the article regarding the 2nd verbal exchange...since the first exchange really doesn't mean S. 
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Trade him to Detroit and get our second round pick back, the one Butch gave away to move up one spot to pick KW.
Sorry guys but I wanted Ben R. that year and was upset we passed on him for KW.
But who knew
I also wanted Big Ben or Phillip Rivers at the time. But QB was not an option because Butch Davis needed to win now. Even though Ben might have given them a better chance to win now, Butch didnt have the time to groom another QB for the future. I also believe that that was the year he picked up Garcia to be a drop back QB.
As far as releasing Winslow. NEVER!!!!! Winslow is my favorite player on my favorite sports team. But if he is unhappy playing hear, its not whats best for the team. But just releasing a unhappy player who happens to be one of your best players, is not whats best for the team either. Wouldnt releasing him now count against the salary cap next year, as would a trade? I know his whole contract wont count but i think a portoin of it would. Thats a big reason that Cincy wouldnt trade Chad Johnson. He has a big contract and Mike Brown cant have that much come off the salary cap and not have the player in return.
Even though Winslow is my favorite player, I would not oppose a trade in the offseason, if trading an unhappy player with diminished speed due to injuries is whats best for the team. I would have to get a new jersey though  But I would have a new work shirt
I dont see a team giving up a 1st rounder for him. Maybe muliple later rounds or a pick and a player. We havnt gotten to see Rucker play yet, but even if he can play, with Heidons age the Browns will need another TE in the near future. KC was open to trading Gonzalez before the trading deadline and nobody bit. But it was during the season and Gonzo is a few years older. I dont think teams think that he will be in the league after next season. It is working out for the Redskins thus far though when they traded for Jason Taylor (trading for an aging player that wont be around for much longer).
I think Oakland would love to have Winslow. Davis is known to make trades. If the browns do trade Winslow, I hope Savage does what the Packers did and add that if the team trades him to a division rival, they have to throw in another pick. If Savage wants to trade him due to drama, I dont want any more drama playing against him. Especially twice a year.
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j/c
check out the gameday forum for an update on the Winslow saga.
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Cleveland Browns rescind Winslow's suspension
Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
The Associated Press
CLEVELAND (AP) — The Browns have agreed to rescind Kellen Winslow's one-game suspension, but the Pro Bowl tight end will still miss Cleveland's game on Sunday.
The team said in a statement Saturday night that Winslow will return on Monday, following the Browns' game against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
The franchise said it has worked through its differences with Winslow and looks forward to his return.
Winslow was suspended last week after he made critical comments about the Browns' handling of his hospitalization with a staph infection. He later appealed the suspension.
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And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on.
La de da de de, la de da de da.
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seems to me, the front office is flip flopping. that is never good coming from leadership.
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Lerner turned the decision. Either on his own or on a tip from the league.
So much for some of us "moaning".
Looks like Pat and a few others will be enjoying toe jam and bagels for breakfast this morning.
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This whole thing appears to have been handled shall we say.. Less than professionally? ::shakes head::
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Seems like poor communication between all parties. From the mouth of babes: After I explained all this to my wife, she said 'Well, couldn't they have just asked Winslow where he was getting his information from in the first place?'
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Savage is a liar and tried to protect himself by hanging Winslow out to dry. I honestly thought better of the dude to bad he is full of crap just like the regime he replaced. He can hit the road with Romeo.
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How exactly is he a liar We didn't have all the info before, and we don't have it all now.
Looks to me as though the situation hasn't changed: Winslow popped off when he shouldn't have and was out of line. Everyone knows it. Had he been right during all this, he wouldn't have accepted a $25k fine. Seems as though they simply negotiated the terms to settle this thing so everyone can move on.
I think too many people are making too much out of one incident. Amazing how going 2-4 to start a season makes people edgy......
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The Browns told winslow not to reveal that he had staph. That makes savage a liar. Those darn text messages and emails can bite one in the ass and it bit Phil.
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And do we know that Winslow didn't agree? Do we see text messages and emails from Winslow saying he wouldn't agree?
With each day that passes, we get more of the story. There's more of the story we don't know.
We still haven't answered where Winslow got Staph. We still haven't answered what he was doing that would have caused him to contract Staph. We still addressed the fact that Winslow threw the organization under the bus for no other reason than to address the persistent rumors.
So until we see proof that Savage and Winslow DIDN'T agree to try and minimize the media exposure, we can't prove that he's a liar.
The only absolute FACT we know is that Winslow threw his organization under the bus in the media. Everything else still isn't fully understood. That isn't to say Savage isn't a liar. All it says is that you have to have the entire story before you can lable him as such.
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It will all be out this week but i can say atleast Randy Lerner showed something by stepping in and putting an end to the mess Savage created.
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Why are some others, and youself, giving Lerner credit for fixing a mess that Savage created?
Keep in mind morg, that Lerner was in on the discussion regarding the suspension and it was a consensus decision.
Savage couldn't have known about the text messages. Either that or he totally forgot that those messages are stored on both the sender's as well as the reciever's phones. I doubt that considering he uses his daily.
As Toad says, there is a whole hell of a lot that we don't know yet.
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Setting aside the opinion, how interesting is this:
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WINSLOW GOT STAPH FROM A CAR DOOR?
Posted by Mike Florio on October 26, 2008, 12:06 p.m.
Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that, two weeks ago, the publicist for Kellen Winslow was poised to annouce that Winslow got his staph infection from a car door.
We assume this means that Winslow cut himself on a car door, and that the cut developed a staph infection.
(Hey, at least he didn’t get it from a tractor.)
Mort also reports that owner Randy Lerner made the call on rescinding the suspension after the text messages instructing Winslow not to talk about his staph infection came to light.
Meanwhile, a league source has opined to us that the manner in which the Browns handled the situation paints them as “inept.”
We agree. And if coach Romeo Crennel is on the hot seat as his team’s high expectations have melted into a 2-4 reality, G.M. Phil Savage should be right there next to him.
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And what happens if Savage didn't know about the text messages coming from the PR person?
I'm gonna say it again: YOU don't know all the facts of this situation.
The ONLY FACT we know is that Winslow threw the organization under the bus when he shouldn't have opened his mouth. He then brought his contract into the conversation, telling us all that's part of his anger.
Boo-FREAKIN'-hoo. 
For those that have formed an opinion in all this regarding Savage, you best sit on it and wait for all the facts to come out.
What's that you say? Don't say that then judge Winslow? Winslow can be judged because we all SAW and HEARD his actions.
Big difference.
Wait and see until all the facts are out. Maybe this wasn't Savage afterall.........
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No matter what other information comes out, the organization jumped the gun in their punishmnet. In speaking of facts, that one couldn't be any clearer.
The question is why did they jump the gun? My feeling is that Savage got a tad too emotional. He's so damn insecure. I'm kind of sick of it.
Winslow still deserved to be punished no matter what. He deserved some type of discipline because even if he was in the right overall, he did wrong by going to the media. That much we agree on.
But regardless if Savage knew of the texts or didn't know or whatever, that's all irrelevant now. They jumped the gun and the freakin' owner had to step in and correct it. That's embarrassing.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Savage had to grandstand like Anderson and whine like Garcia. Do u really think some random PR guy just spontaniously decided to tell Winslow not to report a staph infection? They didnt want anyone to know another case had popped up because of free agents not wanting to subject themselves to the Brown plague lol.
When Winslow didnt reveal why he was missing practice and the game rumors went wild and he had to speak up. Savage was angry and thought he would set an example even called out winslow saying that Winslow is the one that didnt want them to say he had staph which made no freaking since to begin with.
When Lerner learned that Winslow had proof of the way things transpired he intervined and put an end to it. Thats what happened.
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[QUOTE]Savage had to grandstand like Anderson and whine like Garcia. Do u really think some random PR guy just spontaniously decided to tell Winslow not to report a staph infection?
Keep that thought in mind......
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You hear this or this is your opinion? Becuase that's not what I've heard. I won't get to talk to anyone until later tonight or tomorrow to find out about the texts, but I just want to be clear if you are offering your opinion as fact or if you have some knowledge on the situaiton (and I"m not asking where you got it if you do).
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According to the post Toad made by Mort I stand corrected on that issue.
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