|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,732
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 74,732 |
Quote:
Quote:
Winslow appealed the suspension, which was dropped late Saturday night after the Browns reportedly learned Winslow had received text messages from a member of Cleveland's media relations staff who told him not to reveal he had staph.
So NO, Savage didn't order the messages be sent.
The story is out for ALL to see now.
And how do you draw the "conclusion that Phil didn't know about this? From a press report? Based on faith?
You know what's been told to us. You know what the "official team stance" is on this.
Can you imagine the legal ramifications if Phil admitted that he actually KNEW and approved that the PR department sent those texts and Phil suspended him anyway?
So you're suggesting that Phil has lost a grip on what some in the organisation are doing? That he has no idea what his PR department is telling KW2?
He backed off the suspension. He admited that somebody or bodies within the organisation were telling KW2 to keep it quiet. That from that aspect, they were wrong.
And if you honestly believe that Phil had "no clue" what was being said to Winslow? That too, should be sad, troubling and puzzling.
That's the facts, like it or not.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188 |
The only thing Opie did I don't get is the BS in the statement we filed for the grievance saying KW was abusive or whatever terms they used .... if what we heard was all of it and I see no reason to believe there was sumptin more to it ..... that was a huge stretch .... made us look petty and foolish IMO ....
the scanrio that makes the most sense to me is as follows ... and the following is for those with sense and not the whiney watergate crew as there a lost cause anyhow ..... .
1. KW does sumptin emberrasing as hell to him and the result is the wound that eventually gets infected ... why do i believe that .. cause we still don't know what happend to create the wound and WHY ELSE WOULD HE HIDE IT ... why don't we know
2. he contracts the staph ... more than likely at our facility ... HISTORY suggests that is where it is contracted ...
3. KW decides ALL ON HIS OWN that he doesn't want any details released (as he did about how severe his injuries were when he turned Kneivel on us) about how the wound was inflicted ... why do i believe that?? CAUSE WE STILL DON'T KNOW ... if it wasn't something moronic we would know by now ...
4. We tell him if he doesn't want to divulge that it would be in the teams best interest to keep the staph quiet .. anotherwords .. PLEASE DON'T HANG US OUT TO DRY ... and he agrees to do that ... as NOTHING IS GAINED BY ANYONE disclosing this ...
NO BIG DEAL SO FAR ....
5. The rumors of grapefruit sized private parts start circulating and he is emberrased ..
.... at some point some where in here ( i have no clue when this happend but i can see why ... as KW is emberassed and everyone sees the rumors circulating .. but i have NO CLUE and this is PURE SPECULATION on my part ... ) our PR person decides to send him a text saying not to divulge the staph ...
6.. he finds out we tried to pedal him before the trade deadline .... we lose and look like crap against the Skins ... hes still upset about not getting his contract re-done and us drafting his replacement ..
BOOM ... he EXPLODES .... he blasts the org. on many levels and one of them is to act like we tried to cover up the staph and are guilty of hiding things ... and also not addressing the staph issue or taking it seriously .....
6. Opie suspends him .. as well he should have ..
the rest has been well documented ....
that seems like the most likely scenario when looking at it objectively and putting al the pieces of the puzzle together ..
and the buety of it is .. that was just another way for him to take a shot at the Org. .. his true motivation was MONEYand he had no clue this would BLOW UP in the way it has .. NONE ...
this thing has taken on a life of its own .. not what he expected ...
but at the end of the day .. he will get what he wants in that he is done here .... but i highly doubt he gets what he truely wanted .. A HUGE NEW DEAL ... highly doubt anyone gives him that ... as the rest of the NFL personal folks aren't buying what hes selling like the folks on here that by hes a hero and did this for his teamates and there helth ..
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
The only thing Opie did I don't get is the BS in the statement we filed for the grievance saying KW was abusive or whatever terms they used .... if what we heard was all of it and I see no reason to believe there was sumptin more to it ..... that was a huge stretch .... made us look petty and foolish IMO ....
It was mentioned that he spoke to a PR person away from a mic...so there was another conversation off the air so to speak.
Browns spokesman Bill Bonsiewicz, when asked if another exchange took place with a member of the PR staff, said, "Yes, I was made aware of another exchange, but due to the fact there's a pending grievance, I'd prefer not to comment beyond that."
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 10/29/08 01:02 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
And how do you draw the "conclusion that Phil didn't know about this? From a press report? Based on faith?
And how do you draw the conclusion that he did? From a press report? Based on faith?
Unlike your belief Pit, I DO have media reports.
My belief is on physical evidence. Your's is on pure speculation and theory based on nothing.
Quote:
You know what's been told to us. You know what the "official team stance" is on this.
Which has no bearing in my decision, as both parties can be removed from the equation, and unbiased media reports can be inserted. Ergo, my conclusion, which is to say the MAJORITY conclusion, is that Winslow remains the culprit, REGARDLESS of whether or not Savage requested that this be kept secret.
FACT: There's proof out there that states Phil didn't lie.
FACT: There's ZERO proof that he did.
Until you or anyone else can come up with some proof that shows Savage lied, your belief and hence your side of the story remains rooted in unsubstantiated theory.
Quote:
So you're suggesting that Phil has lost a grip on what some in the organisation are doing?
No, that's what you're attempting to do, and rather unsuccessfully, I might add. You tried it before and failed then as well.
Quote:
He backed off the suspension. He admited that somebody or bodies within the organisation were telling KW2 to keep it quiet. That from that aspect, they were wrong.
Absolutely 100% correct.
Quote:
And if you honestly believe that Phil had "no clue" what was being said to Winslow? That too, should be sad, troubling and puzzling.
That's the facts, like it or not.
Ironic.........I choose not to believe a conspiracy theory based on not a shred of evidence, so the conspiracy theorist questions my judgement, then states that judgement as fact. 
Show me just an ounce of proof.......a report........a comment........anything......that can tie Savage to the PR person who made those text messages, and I'll listen. Until then, it's a witch-hunt by those who see what they wish to see.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
Quote:
Show me just an ounce of proof.......a report........a comment........anything......that can tie Savage to the PR person who made those text messages, and I'll listen. Until then, it's a witch-hunt by those who see what they wish to see.
Sometimes I wonder if when you read my posts your eyes skim over the words all the while your brain sings "la de da de da de doodley day".
Bill Livingston. In the title of his Cleveland Plain Dealer Column
"Clear the air? Savage is to blame for the Browns' hazy week, says Bill Livingston"
and
"If the Browns perpetuated them, and it seems clear Savage's reluctance to speak did, then without concrete proof it constitues a serious breach of the team/player relationship."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
I read the article..show me where it says Phil told a PR person to text KW..
In fact show anything that says he did it.
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 10/29/08 03:58 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
btw....to those that are defending Phil in this one...... make sure you have signed up for jury duty!!!...just in case I ever do something I might regret! 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
btw2.....hahahahaha
I picture you guys as Senators behind those long tables. You have the AIG president sitting before you....
"I didn't know any of this was going on" - AIG President
You all nodding in unison.
"That works for us!"
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
You musta already shot yourself. The hole in yer head is showing..  Have you yet to question how Winslow got the staph since it was a non related football injury? And how this rep for him was ready to say it was from a car door..but that really hasn't been verified? "If there's going to be disclosure, there's got to be full disclosure. We were trying to do the right thing by him and his family," Savage said then.
Look into that sentence very deep..U get what he's saying? If Winslow is gonna spout he got a infection tell the WHOLE story , not just part of it. Thursday, Savage said, "Due to the nature of this particular situation, it seemed that the people involved wouldn't want it out there."
The implication was that Winslow suffered from an embarrassing ailment.
Do you really get that? He's saying that if the people involved had half a brain they would keep this under wrap..for their own sake.. There's also a report that some of the players saw his parts swollen.. So once more... how do you get a infection like staph down there?????? Not from a car door.
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 10/29/08 04:19 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,936
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,936 |
just clickin' in here... It's hard for me to see how anyone could conclude who's THE bad guy in all this. Seems to me there's plenty of blame to spread around. KWII behaved like the petulant child he can be at times and the FO bumbled around trying to "manage" the story. IMO, neither side comes out of this unscathed. They both look foolish.  Hopefully, we can put this aside and move forward from here. Sounds like that's what they're trying to do. We'll see...
[color:"white"]"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
-- Mark Twain [/color]
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
Quote:
Show me just an ounce of proof.......a report........a comment........anything......that can tie Savage to the PR person who made those text messages, and I'll listen. Until then, it's a witch-hunt by those who see what they wish to see.
Sometimes I wonder if when you read my posts your eyes skim over the words all the while your brain sings "la de da de da de doodley day".
Bill Livingston. In the title of his Cleveland Plain Dealer Column
"Clear the air? Savage is to blame for the Browns' hazy week, says Bill Livingston"
and
"If the Browns perpetuated them, and it seems clear Savage's reluctance to speak did, then without concrete proof it constitues a serious breach of the team/player relationship."
That isn't proof. It wasn't when you posted it the first time.
That's commentary.
Try again 
And close your tags you hack 
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877 |
Again, I ask.....What difference does it make where he got the staph? Even if he got it sticking his who-haw someplace where it doesn't belong it's still the FO that was telling him to keep it quiet then denying they did it. Then trying, ever so slyly, to make it seem like he's still hiding something.
Face it. The FO screwed up. It was compounded by Winslow. Then compounded again by Phil. No one but the "Philanistas" really cares at this point.
The only reason I keep posting is that I'm getting tired of seeing a few guys try to rewrite history on here. Other than that I could not care less who got what from whom.
And according to the (private) tongue-lashing I got from a Ref back before this all started neither should you since at this point anything beyond "it was a staph infection" is all rumor anyway.
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
Again, I ask.....What difference does it make where he got the staph?
Because he blamed the BROWNS for it. 
C'mon Otto, what part of that don't you get?
Quote:
The only reason I keep posting is that I'm getting tired of seeing a few guys try to rewrite history on here.
The history we're painting can be backed up with proof. Your version of things can't, so don't try and lay that noise on us.
Maybe if you and the rest of the lynch mob would have waited for more of the facts to come out before throwing the noose around Opie's neck, you wouldn't be caught in this pickle right now.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Poser
|
|
Poser
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659 |
Some people will go to great lengths to blast the FO. It is obvious by who is doing the blasting. It's the same ole same ole with their agenda. Nothing new at all. I love how it is claimed it doesn't matter how or where KW2 got the staph. The facts are rather simple. KW2 didn't want the reason he got staph to be made public because it was embarrassing to him. He contracted staph in the BYE WEEK WHILE NOT BEING AT THE FACILITY. The Browns and KW2 then agreed that if he wasn't going to release information about his condition, that staph shouldn't be mentioned either since it would INACCURATELY cast a negative light on the team that had NOTHING to do with the staph infection. Then, after finding out he was on the trading block, Winslow threw a fit and LIED about the Browns. He did it twice. He did it deliberately. He did so KNOWING THE FO COULDN'T REFUTE WHAT HE WAS SAYING BECAUSE OF HIPPA. It absoluutely blows my mind that people can find a way to twist anything and everything so that they can blame the Browns organization. Of course, these same people have been at the FO and coaching staff al year. It would be funny if it weren't so sad what their agenda is.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,189 |
Quote:
And how do you draw the "conclusion that Phil didn't know about this? From a press report? Based on faith?
You know what's been told to us. You know what the "official team stance" is on this.
Can you imagine the legal ramifications if Phil admitted that he actually KNEW and approved that the PR department sent those texts and Phil suspended him anyway?
So you're suggesting that Phil has lost a grip on what some in the organisation are doing? That he has no idea what his PR department is telling KW2?
He backed off the suspension. He admited that somebody or bodies within the organisation were telling KW2 to keep it quiet. That from that aspect, they were wrong.
And if you honestly believe that Phil had "no clue" what was being said to Winslow? That too, should be sad, troubling and puzzling.
That's the facts, like it or not.
I usually hate it when someone quotes another's entire post just to make a short reply, but in this case I felt I had to do it in order to answer it.
The proof that Savage didn't know about the text messages is that he suspended Winslow at all.
Does anyone think Savage doesn't know the simple fact that text messages are saved on the receiver's phone ?
Had he known about the text messages, then he also knew that Winslow had copies of them on his phone!
Why would he move on with the suspension knowing that the evidence that would incriminate the team was in Winslow's possession?
Had he known about the texts he would never have suspended K2.
Doesn't that make sense?
It certainly does to me.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877 |
Perhaps I missed this but where did he blame the Browns for the staph? I do not recall him saying he got it at the facility. And frankly, neither you or the "coach" can prove where he got it or didn't get it. (Neither can I but then I'm not trying to because I don't think it matters). He blamed the Browns for the coverup. Which was their idea. Seems simple to me. I realize you and "b" hate to admit you're wrong (about Phil screwing the pooch in this incident) so I don't expect to see it on here. And honestly, I don't really care. But it is kinda humorous to see you two, among others, mount your high-horses when anyone challenges Phil's sainthood.
As far as the FO goes......Am I thrilled with Phil? Nope. But I'm not ready to give him the heave-ho either. I'm not all that thrilled with Romeo either but I know he's here for at least this year so no sense in blasting the man on a daily basis.
Please, guys, don't bother to reply. It's obvious that we look at this from different angles. I don't intend to change my mind and I know neither one of you is going to change yours. But if you'd still like to volley back and forth please feel free to PM me.
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
Quote:
Winslow would have had no oppurtunity to pop off had the Browns just said he had a staph infection THIS WHOLE MESS could have been avoided.
Just what part of HIPPA don't you understand
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
Quote:
Phil knew about the texts because he too did not want KW2 to say anything...Phil wanted it kept secret
You have never been so wrong in your life bro. Phil knew nothing about the texts 
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 19,133
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 19,133 |
Quote:
Quote:
Winslow would have had no oppurtunity to pop off had the Browns just said he had a staph infection THIS WHOLE MESS could have been avoided.
Just what part of HIPPA don't you understand
Not a word of it, apparently.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
- John Muir
#GMSTRONG
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,955
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,955 |
This isn't about Phil for me...it's about right and wrong.
Winslow is hospitalized, not saying what the "illness" is.
The illness is later said to be a staph infection.
Phil asks that if Winslow admits the staph, he fully disclose how it came about so the Browns aren't cast in bad light.
Winslow found out he was being shopped.
Winslow implied the Browns have a problem with staph -- a history, if you will. He still hadn't told the full story.
The rest -- the text, the suspension, the mouthing off -- doesn't matter. It was implied the Browns somehow caused the staph, was it not?
And, he still HASN'T told the full story. Don't worry, though...my guess is it will be leaked soon enough. Too many people know the real issue to keep quiet for long.
That's the end for me. He won't say how the staph came about, but made it sound like the Browns fault. He did that because he was mad.
What else do you need?
#gmstrong #gmlapdance
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Quote:
just clickin' in here...
It's hard for me to see how anyone could conclude who's THE bad guy in all this. Seems to me there's plenty of blame to spread around. KWII behaved like the petulant child he can be at times and the FO bumbled around trying to "manage" the story. IMO, neither side comes out of this unscathed. They both look foolish.
Hopefully, we can put this aside and move forward from here. Sounds like that's what they're trying to do. We'll see...
You my long lost twin brother ,...?? 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,955
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,955 |
Quote:
Quote:
Winslow would have had no oppurtunity to pop off had the Browns just said he had a staph infection THIS WHOLE MESS could have been avoided.
Just what part of HIPPA don't you understand
And, just where is Prince Albert when you need him, anyway?
#gmstrong #gmlapdance
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
He is in the "can"
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877 |
OK, I'll play a little longer.....
Phil asks that if Winslow admits the staph, he fully disclose how it came about so the Browns aren't cast in bad light.
Winslow found out he was being shopped.
While possibly true, I have seen this reported no where so to me it falls under the assumption category.
Winslow implied the Browns have a problem with staph -- a history, if you will. He still hadn't told the full story.
Yes, it was implied. And he should not have done that. But is it an untruth? That is, do the Browns not have a staph problem? While not as bad as some may think I believe they do have a staph problem. But we could argue about that all day. And it is doubful that the Browns problem is the cause of Winslow's outbreak.
And, he still HASN'T told the full story.
And why should he, at this point? The Browns are essentially off the hook. Kellen is out some pocket change, but essentially he's in the clear as well. The only ones who keep banging the drum are guys that disliked Kellen to begin with or guys that have put Phil on a pedestal.
So at this point it's a moot point. All you guys are acting like it's the first time a player and a FO have had a public disagreement in the history of the NFL. It's not. It's also not the first time both sides can truthfully say they are at fault. (If they want to actually be truthful, that is). But to read some of the posts on here you'd think Phil was motherhood and apple pie and Kellen had just taken a dump on him. I tend to think both will survive. And I hope both are here at the start of next season.
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
Just a simple question for you Otto. Just how many people in Ohio have had a staff infection in the last 5 years?
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,015 |
Quote:
Perhaps I missed this but where did he blame the Browns for the staph?
You've been missing plenty of things. That's part of the problem.
Quote:
"They didn't even want me going to the Cleveland Browns' facility because they didn't want me to get re-infected. Something is wrong up there. It needs to be fixed."
This point is going all grape-vine because one word can change conotation, but the issue here is that Winslow blamed the Browns for the Staph problem. He went on to say:
Quote:
"But it's my teammates' right to know what's going on at the facility to protect them. Their safety is at risk, too, and I didn't agree with the Cleveland Browns, because they are protecting the organization and not the players."
We all know what he's getting at.
Quote:
neither you or the "coach" can prove where he got it or didn't get it.
I didn't state where he got it, nor do I care, because that isn't the problem here. However, I find it HIGHLY HIGHLY ironic that now YOU'RE the one playing the "you don't have proof card."
Because of that, you don't need to say another word about what you THINK Savage did or didn't know. Hypocrisy is a double-edged sword sometimes.
Quote:
He blamed the Browns for the coverup. Which was their idea. Seems simple to me.
Simple is as simple does. You don't want to accept that the Browns PR person acted on her own despite there being proof. That'd sure be the only way I could continue to believe the conspiracy theory. 
Quote:
Please, guys, don't bother to reply.
You think you're going to get off that easy? Guess again.
Besides, I'm not replying to change your mind. I'm replying to shoot your conspiracy theory into the ground 
You want to slam Savage? Slam him for the things he's done wrong based on proof. He's made many moves that didn't work out. This isn't one of'em, and I won't let your little lynchmob try and paint a distorted picture just because you don't like the guy 
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877 |
Don't know. Don't really care. And for the purpose of this discussion it really doesn't matter, now does it?
The discussion (from my POV) is not about what kind of infection it was or where he got it. It's about the ham-handed way this was handled by the FO and to a lesser extent by KW2 himself.
But go ahead.....how many hundreds of thousands of people have had staph in Ohio in the last 5 years?
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877 |
Gosh, you've put me in my place now. I guess I'll just hang my head in shame at all your superior points....... Our opinions are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this. And frankly, no matter what I say you'll disagree at this point, right or wrong. I do have one question, though. What is it like to never be wrong?
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Poser
|
|
Poser
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659 |
Some people don't get it and refuse to because they like to iritate people. The case is crystal clear. I don't have to prove anything about where and how Winslow got it to people that simply don't want to know the truth. It's much simpler to blame someone they already have issues with. Then they claim that the people defending Savage is doing so because they didn't like Winslow in the first place. Funny how everyone that is defending Savage had parised WInslow for his turnaround since his accident....except me. I always praised his on the field performance but know too well how he acts in the locker room and in the huddle to buy into that. I have read WInslow's side of things and have heard the Browns' side of things. The simple fact is that people are defending Savage because they know both sides and realize that Savage did nothing wrong. This is all about Winslow's bruised ego and wanting to get back at the organization Period. That's why Lewis was trying to shut him up and that's why his teammates were rolling their eyes when he was going off on his tirade. They knew he was full of it. Others refuse to see that not even his teammates believed his crap.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877 |
I do have one question, though. What is it like to never be wrong Guess I asked the wrong guy that question.......
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,149 |
Thanks Coach,...I'm not taking sides, but you know I always respect your posts.
It's the reaction of the teammates that really sways me on this issue.
Phil dicked up; Winslow always finds a way to be one,...let's bury this crap and get to .500.
That's ALL I really care about,...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Poser
|
|
Poser
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659 |
I wasn't putting you into that category. There are a a few on here that fit squarely into it, though. I don't think Savage screwed up, unless one considers suspending him instead of just making him inactive a screw up. WInslow was masterful in his plan and for a few it worked. Like you said, it's time to move on and get to .500. I just cant sit by and let the uninformed and the clueless rip a guy for nothing.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 34,532
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 34,532 |
Spilled milk people. Let it go. You're not going to change the opinions of anyone who took a side in this thing. I called foul when KW2 was suspended. I thought the financial part was to harsh. I felt the withdraw of the suspension was fair with KW2 sitting one game. I think Phil screwed the pooch, BUT I still have massive love for Phil. Nobody's head needs to roll... just let it go and everyone else will forget about it. As for the future, KW2 will probably be traded. I don't like it but we should get good value if we do. Hell maybe they'll trade KW2, BE and DA after THIS season (DA I wouldn't miss). I would trade all 3 for a good HC.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Poser
|
|
Poser
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659 |
***You are ignoring this user***
What part of that don't you get? Your posts are never to be taken seriously and it's pathetic and sad that you are so desperate to ruin actual discussions on this board that you reply to people ignoring you to get your little digs in.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,877 |
If you're ignoring me why would you care what I said or why I said it?
Your superiority complex is overwhelming........
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,620
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,620 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Winslow would have had no oppurtunity to pop off had the Browns just said he had a staph infection THIS WHOLE MESS could have been avoided.
Just what part of HIPPA don't you understand
And, just where is Prince Albert when you need him, anyway?
HIPPA = Have Infection on Pole, Prince Albert
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,955
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,955 |
#gmstrong #gmlapdance
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,550
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 8,550 |
HIPPA- Head In Phil's posterior ahole lol
Last edited by Mourgrym; 10/29/08 09:56 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,177
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,177 |
Yeah it was KW2 that wanted to keep the staph infection a secret...and let everyone think he had an STD or something...thats why he got into it with Phil...he thought Phil was gonna spill the beens about the staph infection. It was KW2's idea to keep his mouth shut about it...yet when he opened it...he was pissed...and then promptly suspended before any facts were gathered. Clearly the Browns did not want KW2 to reveal the infection...and it certainly benefited the Browns more to have the infection kept a secret. It was clearly the Browns orders to keep KW2 quiet...if Phil was ok with him revealing the stapher...then whyd he suspend him like lighting afterward? The hilarious thing is people running around asking for proof Phil didnt know about the txt messages...proove to me he did!...what you have his word on it.. You cant know either way what happened...except by drawing conclusions....but to prove anything? Nobody can...nobody can prove it either way. Theres only one thing for certain..the Browns had to rescind the suspension...thats the bottom line...its says it all....its indisputable.Had the Browns had a legit claim...even a minor one...it would have gone before the arbitrator...but that had nothing...zip...so they saved face..and the embarrassment of more mud being slung. We'll probably know nothing more about this until Phil or KW is gone...besides all we could get is the Browns version(s) of the issue....we certainly wont hear KW'2 side anymore. The only one who'd have heard that was the arbitrator...but...that was cancelled...wonder why. 
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns should release Disruptive
Winslow (article)
|
|
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/Heldawg/rgiii2.jpg)
