actually i believe he even stated that the reason he took the deal he did had something to do with the CBA expiring in 2010, which means he could make even more money then by redoing his deal then..had nothing to do with the Nike contract..
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Quote: Simple answer really, he is locked into his Nike endorsement contract till 2010, as his contract with Cleveland, that isn't just coincidence. I don't want the guy to leave but would be a fool to think otherwise since he is money hungry. You ask for proof it is there, he hasn't extended his contract with Cleveland and is leaving his options open. The guy wants to get paid and he will, right now he plays in a market that limits him, and he realizes that and will move on to greener pastures. He also didn't deny that playing overseas wasn't an option, he also left that door open. Not sure why you need proof that the option of leaving isn't there but it is, then again didn't you guarantee that we would get T Mac this year as well? I think you did, but that's another topic, but seriously LBJ is human and will go somewhere where he can make more money, just like the rest of us would.
for one, i never guaranteed any player would come to cleveland, but it's ok, you can put words in my mouth if you want. most people that talk cavs on here know i would never guarantee a player would come to cleveland (nice try)
and two, you still haven't answered my question, you danced around it like a ballerina. lebron could have been out of cleveland by now, instead of letting his current contract play out, he opted to sign an extension, which at the end of that contract, would make him a 7 year veteran, and if you follow the nba, you know when you become a 7 year veteran, you are made available quite a contract with the team that drafted you.
and it isn't a coincidence that the cavaliers will be able to offer him a historic deal after that 7th year.
so, the whole contract thing, and what he can be offered goes both ways.
there is no doubt in my mind, that you haven't a clue about the nba. you are just making things up, kind of like saying lebron is missing out on 50-75 million, i just had to lol at that one.
and again, way to try and put words into my mouth. that's friggin awesome.
LeBron is a global icon already, how much bigger can he get? If LeBron signs with the Nets do you think that people around the world will somehow think higher of him? If you do you are cookoo Does anyone know how much Kobe makes in endorsements compared to LeBron? I believe that LeBron makes more in CLEVELAND then Kobe makes in LOS ANGELES, but I don't know for sure. LeBron is going to make a ridiculous amount of money no matter where he plays. On a side note...Stephen A. Smith doesn't have a clue what he talking about, I can't believe that mouth piece still has a job.
Also, for those of you who think LeBron is leaving...fast forward to 1:53 of this video...
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I love the "you have no clue" response, I see that used on this board frequently especially when someone can't backup their points. I backed up my points, which you selectively ignored. You claimed that LBJ wasn't in the same league as Tiger, yet you were wrong and ignore that FACT. The T-Mac issue, well though you state you didn't make that remark so I believe you though someone else did but that doesn't really matter. the fact is and it is a fact, he will get more money plying for a big market club, it is what it is, and that is where the money can be found. I have followed the sport for a long time, too long to be frank, the NBA is just about at the same level as the NHL and what I mean is if it disappeared most people could care less, again you can refute what you want but LBJ has painted his picture as well as his goals and if Cleveland fits in to them great if not he'll get the coin from elsewhere. The fact is the guy wants to make as much money as he can, and is limiting himself in Cleveland, all facts, and has been pointed out by many reporters even if you think otherwise. Sorry man just remember that I told you so, and I actually hope I am wrong, but business is business and he will get paid and it will probably not be from Cleveland. His NBA contract is peanuts compared to endorsements and if he goes big market he will achieve his already stated goals. Money talks, and wishing (in this scenario) walks.
LMAO Stephen A. Smith doesn't have a clue! thats funny stuff!
Stephen A. Smith has more basketball knowledge then all of us combined on one pinkie, but then when somebody of his status speaks the truth, they have no clue. Please this isn't some beat writer we are talking about it's a guy who is in the know. Stephen A. Smith is clueless, now that is funny stuff period.
stephen a smith reported in 2006, when lebron was being very quiet about his extension, that he would not sign any extension at all, his sources told him that lebron would play out the final year of his contract and leave cleveland
he was dead wrong.
in lebron's first year, when they missed the playoffs by a game, his sources, again told him that they were working on a way to try and get him out of cleveland, and his contract, that also, was wrong.
he also reported many times that allen iverson was going to be traded, and 4 years later it finally happened.
he has very little credibility. his sources are busted, at best.
Quote: I love the "you have no clue" response, I see that used on this board frequently especially when someone can't backup their points. I backed up my points, which you selectively ignored. You claimed that LBJ wasn't in the same league as Tiger, yet you were wrong and ignore that FACT. The T-Mac issue, well though you state you didn't make that remark so I believe you though someone else did but that doesn't really matter. the fact is and it is a fact, he will get more money plying for a big market club, it is what it is, and that is where the money can be found. I have followed the sport for a long time, too long to be frank, the NBA is just about at the same level as the NHL and what I mean is if it disappeared most people could care less, again you can refute what you want but LBJ has painted his picture as well as his goals and if Cleveland fits in to them great if not he'll get the coin from elsewhere. The fact is the guy wants to make as much money as he can, and is limiting himself in Cleveland, all facts, and has been pointed out by many reporters even if you think otherwise. Sorry man just remember that I told you so, and I actually hope I am wrong, but business is business and he will get paid and it will probably not be from Cleveland. His NBA contract is peanuts compared to endorsements and if he goes big market he will achieve his already stated goals. Money talks, and wishing (in this scenario) walks.
Quote: I love the "you have no clue" response, I see that used on this board frequently especially when someone can't backup their points. I backed up my points, which you selectively ignored. You claimed that LBJ wasn't in the same league as Tiger, yet you were wrong and ignore that FACT. The T-Mac issue, well though you state you didn't make that remark so I believe you though someone else did but that doesn't really matter. the fact is and it is a fact, he will get more money plying for a big market club, it is what it is, and that is where the money can be found. I have followed the sport for a long time, too long to be frank, the NBA is just about at the same level as the NHL and what I mean is if it disappeared most people could care less, again you can refute what you want but LBJ has painted his picture as well as his goals and if Cleveland fits in to them great if not he'll get the coin from elsewhere. The fact is the guy wants to make as much money as he can, and is limiting himself in Cleveland, all facts, and has been pointed out by many reporters even if you think otherwise. Sorry man just remember that I told you so, and I actually hope I am wrong, but business is business and he will get paid and it will probably not be from Cleveland. His NBA contract is peanuts compared to endorsements and if he goes big market he will achieve his already stated goals. Money talks, and wishing (in this scenario) walks.
i only pointed out tiger, because you said lebron was missing out on "50-75m" in endorsements, which is tiger woods territory.
the nhl and the nba are not on the same level. the nba's ratings have been very, very good, their regular season ratings have been good, the brains behind their marketing strategies are brilliant, the way they schedule games is brilliant, as much as i love the nhl, they aren't anywhere near that, although they have shown signs of getting better.
and yes, we can all agree that lebron will make more money in some endorsments in nyc, but i somehow doubt that would trump the THIRTY MILLION extra (at least) that cleveland will be able to offer over any other team.
the whole nike big market escalator cannot be conifrmed, nor denied. and i honestly don't know why nike cares if new york gets leborn, when, globally, he is already popular, and even in ny he sells shoes.
the only group that realy benefits from lebron in nyc is nyc.
Quote: LMAO Stephen A. Smith doesn't have a clue! thats funny stuff!
Fletch, I am not gonna get in this argument, but I will tell you this. Around NBA circles Stephen Smith has absolutely no clout, ZERO.
The NBA is set up much differently on the media side. Local writers like Brian Windhorst write for both the PD as well as ESPN. There are not really the "media authorities" in the NBA. Guys like "Chris Mortenson", "Peter King" or "Peter Gammons" The closest you will find is Marc Stein. This leaves room for guys like Stephen Smith, who doesn't even ever really leave the East Coast.. Guys on press row around the league laugh at Stephen Smith.
stephen A. Smith is the Roger brown of the NBA..the guy is CLUELESS
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
i truly believe with bird rights, the direction this team is heading, the fact that the top dog himself came out and basically said, teams don't need to be worrying about signing lebron, they need to watch us, because we're going after their #1, ie wade, amare, bosh, melo. to be honest..i could see anyone of them with the exception of amare coming here for one reason or another..we have an owner and city that has made lebron the cornerstone and engine that makes this city go. The power and prestige lebron has here is unmatched by any other athelete in any other city sans possibly yao in beijing. but don't think lebron don't have an ego, and that ego and drive to win a championship for his home state will go a long ways in to helping him be what he wants to become..immortal. He would instantly become top 3 most revered athletes ever to play for an ohio team..brown and griffith the only others i can think that would be in that class. That's not saying he could get fed up with the mike brown "offense" and realize he'll never win a ring with potato head and bolt..but i think its very unlikely given everything thats at stake
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Quote: LMAO Stephen A. Smith doesn't have a clue! thats funny stuff!
Fletch, I am not gonna get in this argument, but I will tell you this. Around NBA circles Stephen Smith has absolutely no clout, ZERO.
The NBA is set up much differently on the media side. Local writers like Brian Windhorst write for both the PD as well as ESPN. There are not really the "media authorities" in the NBA. Guys like "Chris Mortenson", "Peter King" or "Peter Gammons" The closest you will find is Marc Stein. This leaves room for guys like Stephen Smith, who doesn't even ever really leave the East Coast.. Guys on press row around the league laugh at Stephen Smith.
exactly.
another example is ric bucher.
last year he told people there was NO WAY kobe is a laker past thanksgiving, his sources were telling him kobe was on his way to the east coast..
Quote: Well...the world will get a whole lot bigger for James if he takes his act to NYC or some other large market.
Just the way it is.
The James situation is much like that of Peyton Manning, a viable marketing superstar who just can't break the ceiling for big endorsement money because he plays in a small market.
you're going to get this every time the cavs lose a game.
it's kinda funny when you think about it. as soon as boston beat the cavs i knew someone would bring it up.
it's the same bs...
fire brown. trade player a, cut player b (you gotta love the people that don't follow the nba and don't realize you can't cut people of significance) and let's not forget "lebron's gonna leave because we lost A game!"
when we win, the talks get held off until the next loss... that is how it as always been in the lebron era of cleveland basketball.
Not to mention that saying that he'll be "losing out" on $50-75 million implies that his endorsements would total somewhere in the neighborhood of $150-200 million if he were to play in a big east coast market. There is an enormous difference between "earning $50-75 million" and "losing out on $50-75 million". The amount Lebron *might* lose out on by staying in Cleveland will be offset by the max contract that Cleveland can offer him that he won't be able to get elsewhere. And Nike can't influence where he goes, if he goes anywhere at all.
There were soundbites of him on ESPN Radio this afternoon saying that he has no intentions to leave Cleveland.
i don't buy the statements from lebron that says he's going to stay, just as i don't buy the garbage espn has been jamming down our throats since 2003.
it would be idiotic to think lebron knows what he's going to do in 2010.
people don't realize the type of changes this team will go through over the next 2 years. expiring deals and cap space are going to change this team.
we've heard athletes in cleveland say they want to stay, and we've seen them bolt anyways. i would think that lebron wouldn't say stuff like he wants to stay, and ohio is his home, and that he can't see himself playing in any other jersey, but you don't know.
i would assume that if it were a done deal, and lebron was out, he would keep his mouth quiet on those issues. play it politically. but he has been outspoken on staying. it feels nice, but most clevelanders won't believe it until he signs on the dotted line in 2010. every year at the start of the season, he takes the initiative and tells the media that he's staying, they don't ask, he says it before they even ask any questions.
and yeah 2119, there are people on this very board who think he's already gone, but they just dodge my question about the 2006 extension.
i find that funny.
i bet there are people here who want him gone just so they can be the typical cleveland pessimist and say "TOLD YA!"
Dunno know what the topic of conversation in here is but I just gotta say a few things.
Mo Williams is going to be the guy that takes us over the hump. This entire team looks better with him playing, I know it's only Charlotte but Williams also hasn't gotten fully accustomed here yet either. Also a plus Boobie looks like he could have a third year breakout, he's just raining on Charlotte tonight.
Another big plus is that some players on this team (LBJ in paticular) are going to be getting some rest to keep them fresh throughout games. Which should do wonders.
Quote: I agree....ESPN and some of the others are biased in where they would want him to play.
I just want you to understand the market does make a difference in what James could make....and it isn't a "little' difference.
Really man....I want him here almost as much as you....I say almost because I won't have to change my name if he leaves.
Read this....I hope LBJ is in Cleveland for the remainder of his career.]
I just think the odds of it aren't all that good.
we all understand that more money will be made in a bigger market.
however you connect that to him wanting to be a billionaire, and he ain't going to become a billionaire going into new york city.
not to mention, there are 2 awful basketball franchises in new york, and like i said, they can bring him there, and attract another star, but that doesn't guarantee you don't go through the same growing pains the cavs have gone through.
and like i keep asking, why did he sign the extension if he's so bent on leaving for nyc?
by the way, i've heard the brooklyn project may fall apart. lolz.
that just may be crazy enough to work, although I dont think it will sit well with people here, I guess we need to try though.
on a side note, so I had to run some errands last night, before I leave I go to program the DVR for the cavs game, and I see it is in HD, I hit record, of course I extend the recording by a half hour, wouldnt wanna miss a potential overtime. I come back, and I get 3 hours of a blank screen.
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the cavs did last night what i was hoping for this year...
you smoke the bad teams. sure it got somewhat interesting in the third, but they were never within a bucket (they may not have been within 2 buckets) and they won by a huge margin. and we saw what happens when you get lebron rest going into the 4th, he has a hop to his step and he plays much better.
we have to beat the bad teams, especially at home...
on the road too, you won't beat every bad team on the road, but you gotta get the majority.
as far as the good teams go, good teams win their home games (that's why their good) so you hold homecourt, and fight on the road.
but with mo williams and delonte, we should run bad teams outta the building almost every night.
that just may be crazy enough to work, although I dont think it will sit well with people here, I guess we need to try though.
on a side note, so I had to run some errands last night, before I leave I go to program the DVR for the cavs game, and I see it is in HD, I hit record, of course I extend the recording by a half hour, wouldnt wanna miss a potential overtime. I come back, and I get 3 hours of a blank screen.
SCREW YOU TIME WARNER If you have a show on your guide, it better be on. I dont care if you wont have FSN HD ready for a month, if you arent gonna have it, dont advertise you will
I hope my son didn't make the same mistake,...he intends to DVR the whole season. Hopefully it was just a one-time feed problem of some sort.
Quote: on a side note, so I had to run some errands last night, before I leave I go to program the DVR for the cavs game, and I see it is in HD, I hit record, of course I extend the recording by a half hour, wouldnt wanna miss a potential overtime. I come back, and I get 3 hours of a blank screen.
SCREW YOU TIME WARNER If you have a show on your guide, it better be on. I dont care if you wont have FSN HD ready for a month, if you arent gonna have it, dont advertise you will
That's weird. It didn't show up on my guide on Time Warner, but it was on in HD...
Joe Thomas made Justin Timberlake change his name. He didn't want wusses to have the same initials...
cavs on the verge of losing to the hornets tonight... they are down 9 with just under 2 minutes left
a well played ballgame up until there were about 4 minutes left. a decent 3rd quarter too...
they were moving the ball around well, and then for whatever reason, went into the lebron and 4 offense... i don't get that, z and boobie were scoring, williams was doing well....
lebron has not played well at all, in fact you could argue that he made 2 bad plays that snowballed the difference late in the game.
i don't know what it is, but he doesn't look like the usual lebron this year.
and yet the cavs have played well in all 3 games, well enough to win, for sure.
and the funny thing is, you have idiots like wojnarski from yahoo who say lebron is already in new york, and he goes on to say that the supporting cast is still weak, actually the supporting cast has been very, very good through 3 games, 2 of which were on the road against high seed playoff teams.
Quote: Lebron might be a little burned out. He had maybe a month of time off this offseason?
between beijing and training camp, i would guess around a month.
i don't think he's burned out, or tired or anything, he just seems off.
if you watched the game early on yesterday, lebron did not take many shots, i think he only had 2 in the first half. yet the cavs were rolling right along.
i think he tried to take over the 4th, and ended up spoiling the game.
Huh that guy is an idiot. I'd say we are better than Detroit RIGHT NOW. Give Ferry the cap space to get a star and pair him with Mo and LBJ along with the supporting cast and I see the CAVs being a dynasty.
the cap space is coming. we just have to be patient.
i know the cavs are 1-2 and things don't look great, but...
we went on the road and played the world champs, as well as the 2 seed from last year's western conference. we played well in both of the games, but some key mistakes late in the game cost us both.
another tough one looms tonight.
but, what has made me happy is the offense, it looks good so far, and it will only get better as mo williams gets comfortable and learns the wrinkles of the team.
and how nice is it to see jj hickson seeing some meaningful minutes? he looks good out there, a little raw, but promising for sure.
also, delonte west is playing so well, if we lock down a 2 guard through a trade, and we have this guy coming off the bench, we should get lebron's minutes down drastically, keeping him fresh for the 4th quarter, and also big picture, for the playoffs.
Does anyone know how much Kobe makes in endorsements compared to LeBron? I believe that LeBron makes more in CLEVELAND then Kobe makes in LOS ANGELES, but I don't know for sure. LeBron is going to make a ridiculous amount of money no matter where he plays. On a side note...Stephen A. Smith doesn't have a clue what he talking about, I can't believe that mouth piece still has a job.![[Linked Image from i161.photobucket.com]](http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t215/nick_ogrin/ogdawg.jpg)
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