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This is somewhat speculative, but:Crennel said at around noon today, there would be no change at QB.
Now there is a change at QB. Which makes it seem that Crennel did not make this decision.
If this decision was made over Romeo's head. It means he's gone. You don't make decisions for a head coach, if he's still going to be your head coach.
I'll point out however, that something similar was done in the Frye/Anderson debacle, so it might be hard to see how this was weeded out.
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Barring a complete meltdown I still think RAC finishes the year and gets one more season to prove his worth.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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He needs to go. he's had almost 4 years to get us to the playoffs. unless brady leads us to 8-8 or 9-7, he should be gone. I'm not too high on savage right now either, but I would give him 1 more coach to get us over the hump.
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 What I heard RAC say was that Anderson was the start as of right now. Do you think he's going to say differntly before he informs the player that is going to be benched? That's not "somewhat speculation", that's a boatload of it. 
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i don't think romeo is on the hot seat.
i think he's actually done an ok job this year. inconsistent play from linebackers, your quarterback, and your recievers.
something tells me if we can upgrade our linebackers, that he can turn us into a top 10 defense.
also, from what we hear from the media, through 4 years of ups and downs (more downs than ups) he has not once lost that locker room, i think that goes a long way.
i just worry about the coordinators. i don't know a lot about mel tucker, but i really think we should stick with chud, i hate changing coordinators (unless it's a maurice-carthon type situation) and if you look back at quarterbacks that play with maybe 1-2 coordinators versus quarterbacks that go through more than 2, the stats show that those quarterbacks that have different coaches have their growth stunted.
one other thing, and it was mentioned in this topic, and on the radio right now, is that phil made this call because romeo said a few hours earlier that they were making a change.
how do you know? how do you know that romeo wasn't lying?
you can assume, but you don't really know, none of us do.
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good point, i don't tag it as anything but speculation....but it's an interesting switch in three hours, that's for sure...
why go talk to the media if you know that decision is about to be made? when you know that question is going to be asked?
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He needs to go. he's had almost 4 years to get us to the playoffs. unless brady leads us to 8-8 or 9-7, he should be gone. I'm not too high on savage right now either, but I would give him 1 more coach to get us over the hump.
I don't think Opie has earned a free pass either. If RAC goes and Savage stays, he's going to push hard for Kirk Ferentz of Iowa or possibly some other college head coach. Screw that. I want someone with NFL head coaching experience who had decent success. Hmm.. obviously Bill Cowher but who else would fit the requirements? The pickens is slim.
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He needs to go. he's had almost 4 years to get us to the playoffs. unless brady leads us to 8-8 or 9-7, he should be gone. I'm not too high on savage right now either, but I would give him 1 more coach to get us over the hump.
I don't think Opie has earned a free pass either. If RAC goes and Savage stays, he's going to push hard for Kirk Ferentz of Iowa or possibly some other college head coach. Screw that. I want someone with NFL head coaching experience who had decent success. Hmm.. obviously Bill Cowher but who else would fit the requirements? The pickens is slim.
although i think romeo should get another year, should we make a change, i agree. no college coaches. we've been down that road, and i don't want to go back. (not even for sweater vest)
cowher fits, because of our defensive scheme, but wouldn't he want full control of the gm duties, which is also a road we have been down?
i think cowher could fix some of our disciplanary problems, the penalties, dropped balls, poor tackling, etc... but i just feel he'd want to bring in his own guys, and he'd want to pick his players, and i don't know if he's cut out for all that.
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Mike Nolan maybe? Most thought he wasn't too bad in SF, just got tied to Alex Smith, and they failed together.
You need somebody who is experienced and runs the 3/4, because we don't want this team set back. That's a pretty restrictive set of conditions.
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I think if we don't win more than 6, it's going to be hard to justify keeping romeo. this is 4th year, and we have some decent talent. I just don't think romeo is head coaching material. the clock management, in game decisions, and inconsistent play all goes on romeo's shoulders. Romeo is a nice guy, but I just don't have any confidence in him to get the job done when it counts.
the team has never quit on romeo, but you need more than that to keep your job.
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Like I said in the Brady thread. I wouldn't be surprised to see RAC resign if not immediately, very soon. If the organization is going to make personnel decisions, then what do they need you for? That is the way I am looking at it, and I would bet that that is the way RAC is looking at it too.
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yea I wouldn't want to be in romeo's shoes. in any management position, you should want full control, not stuck in the middle, which is what romeo is in. at least if you fail, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Mike Nolan maybe? Most thought he wasn't too bad in SF
And if by most, you mean no one.
Mike Nolan was an awful coach. It's a very good thing for the 49ers franchise that he is no longer coaching there.
you had a good run Hank.
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how about some mike holmgreen?
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This is going to be his last year in Seattle.
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Its common Knowledge in the NFL that you get 4 years...even a GM
if you don't make the postseason by the 4th year of the program....then your gone...this even goes for GM's
Savage and Romeo came together in a package deal...Kraft advised Lerner to hire romeo and Newsome advised Lerner to hire Savage...they are both a package deal
If Romeo is fired, Look for Savage to be fired as well
No coach is going to want to come here and answer to a guy like Savage...Especially an expereinced proven NFL head coach like Cowher, Marty, or Mora
Those Coaches while not against working with a GM, they want a "say" in who that GM/scout is going to be...Savage and RAC are a packaged deal...if one goes, so does the other...is the very reason romeo stood up to Collins when the the stuff was going down and backed Savage..is also the reason Savage has given Romeo so much lee way
Savage has seal his own fate as much as Romeo...Savage is spending the money, all these guys are his guys...he is just as much accountable as Romeo right now if this doesn't work out
I could see Lerner firing Savage and romeo at the end of the year if we don't make the playoffs
Rumors say Cowher has spoken with Randy Lerner allready..they say he inquired about the Browns job and im sure Lerner has his number and im sure the converation went something like "if these 2 guys don't work out, i'll call you" the writing is on the wall
its the playoffs or bye bye Savage and romeo
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This is going to be his last year in Seattle.
there are rumors floating around about him possibly taking the 49er job next year.
just thought i'd throw it out there.
to be honest, i don't even like thinking about a coaching change.
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Obviously speculation but this is one of the few things that's going to get me back on board with believing in this team. I'm almost 30 years old and my wife wants to ground me after my reaction to that debacle on Sunday. It's just a game, sure, but being around so many queer Stoolie fans and watching this team suck week in and week out makes me want to rip my own face off and jump off a cliff. Please, for the sake of my marriage, go get Cowher. 
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The guy is done.
He should be.
Great guy.....great assistant.....poor head coach.
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Do you guys grow tulips there in Holland?
That seems like it would be a relaxing hobby.
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Of everything that stands, the end
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If we do sign a Cower type of guy Phil is gone as well.
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LOL Sure, I'll grow some annuals right over top of where I'm going to bury all my browns stuff until we can get a franchise worth supporting. Annuals are the way to go since it could be a while... 
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Okay Bruce Drennan. 
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We need a deep breath. I like that Romeo still had the lockerroom Saturday night. But make him change his game, or change his ways. Heat up the coordinators or dish up more say for someone else. This losing is a sorry state of affairs. We can be better tomorrow; just call more games like the Giants gem. Shamelessly challenge people to perform or pack. There is no other justification for your position than to let it hang and swing your weight around. We are too shy and our play sucks in the clutch. Take off the dresses and man up already. Too many vital football issues are being ignored or worse. Like tolerated. Is Singletary available?
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romeo's personality isn't going to change. that's one thing I don't fault him on. he can't change and be something else after 60 years. I just don't think he's smart enough to get the job done. he's in over his head.
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I think so....I have said for a long time Savage and Romeo might be tied a lot closer to the hip than many think.
I am not sure if this is a Savage decision or a Lerner decision....but I still think the odds are pretty good that if Romeo isn't canned after the Denver game(unless we win big), Lerner is driving this game to the end, and then will can both of them and hire a real coach who is going to demand roster control if he is going to take the position.....that or Phil is going to have to take a demotion of sorts.
I know the Collins deal was clearly a popular decision with the fans, but i am not sure Lerner felt it was the best move and think Lerner holds a chip against savage in that regard.
I also think Lerner wanted to get rid of Romeo a year ago....or more....but after allowing the GM to exert his position....he didn't....but at that point tied the fates of the two together.....OK....you want to give Romeo a extension....fine....but now he is your guy....you live and die with him.......I know I would have viewed it that way if i was the owner.
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romeo's personality isn't going to change. that's one thing I don't fault him on. he can't change and be something else after 60 years. I just don't think he's smart enough to get the job done. he's in over his head.
As is Savage ... as is Chud ... as is Tucker. I still have hope for Chud and Tucker. I've lost hope for RAC and Savage. But obviously if they go, so do Chud and Tucker.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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As is Savage ... as is Chud ... as is Tucker. I still have hope for Chud and Tucker. I've lost hope for RAC and Savage. But obviously if they go, so do Chud and Tucker.
Someone knows who's promoting this "play not to lose" philosphy. Wherever that seed was planted, it needs to be yanked by the roots.
My money is on Romeo, but that's JMO.
I also agree/think Chud and Tucker are both fine with RAC not pushing the no-risk ultimatum.
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Of our elaborate plans, the end
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Ill never look into your eyes...again
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Desperately in need...of some...strangers hand
In a...desperate land
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This is why they made the change too, the two of them. To save their asses.
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Romeo should be fine...
We should get atleast get 6 wins this year, lol... If we don't get that.. then he may be on the hot seat.
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We should get atleast get 6 wins this year, lol... If we don't get that.. then he may be on the hot seat.
6 wins is inexcusable in year 4, especially when you've won 10 the year before. I put most the blame on this worthless attempt at a 3-4 defense that RAC seems to be married to. Umm... linebackers anyone? I saw Andra Davis pull up as soon as Rice ran by him. If he even sees the field this Thursday after that worthless effort it's just another reason for RAC to go. I have lost all respect for Andra Davis after that.
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With a switch at QB... which means ur starter STRUGGLED, and then you have a ROOKIE in for the first time.....
6 wins IS acceptable.
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Hell, I thought if we made 8-8 I would be happy based on that schedule. But if RAC goes, CHUD should leave also! Why should CHUD stay around. He has called some crappy games, has NO offensive imagination, does not use ALL his offensive weapons and rarely uses multi-formations or the use of motion to create mismatches. How about a no-huddle offense?? How about a package with Harrison, Wright and Cribbs on the field?? Chud is part of the problem also!
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i think he's actually done an ok job this year. inconsistent play from linebackers, your quarterback, and your recievers.
Your train of thought as to why he has done a good job is the exact same reason as to why I feel he has not done a good job.
It is the coaches job to get these players to play up to their capability. Romeo has not done that, I can't even count the times since Crennel has been here that this team has come out and made bone-headed mistakes. Then to come out the next week and make the same exact mistakes.
This team needs a coach who is going to break these players down and get back to the fundamentals. Missed tackles, dropped balls, lining up wrong, false starts, blown coverages..etc. These players have been coached to do these things they're whole football lives and at one time or another they were good at them, but somewhere along the lines they just quit doing the little things that got them where they are now.
It falls entirely on the coach/coaches to make sure they either do these things or suffer the consequences. If it was up to me Edwards would have been benched a game a long time ago. I don't care if we had to hire a newspaper delivery boy to play receiver one week.
I would say I appreciate everything Romeo has done for us but if you look back and think he has done nothing for us but give us heartache. Horrible clock management, questionable challenges, bone-headed substitutions at times, the list go's on.
Crennel is a great coordinator but a head coach he is not. Time to move on imo.
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I think its interesting that when we're in a dime package with 6 minutes left in the 3rd period (up by 14) - the consensus is - "that's RAC", but when we run the ball 3 times in a row inside our 15 - its Chud.
Its either RAC or someone over him that's at the heard of our problems, IMO. Someone needs to take the reigns off these guys and let them play - win or lose - let them play.
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