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how do you know he can beat Pitt without Rex Ryan?

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I also have never seen so many people against a coach who knows how to beat Pittsburgh.

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"He" beat Pittsburgh with defense. He had very little to do with his defense. His defense was loaded with superior talent and coached and schemed by the DC.

To say, "He knows how to beat Pittsburgh", is like saying Trent Dilfer knows how to win the Superbowl.

Say, why don't we get Dilfer in here? He knows how to win a Superbowl!

That's a laughable point to make and it looks like there are a few who bought it and are repeating it already.

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Bud (I'm an idiot) Shaw

Here's an article from Bud Shaw:

Bud Shaw's Sports Spin: Browns' inconsistency casting a shadow on Crennel
by Bud Shaw
Saturday November 08, 2008, 11:19 PM
Romeo's defense wasn't built in a day

The shoddy construction just makes it look that way.

The Browns have been terrible recently on the side of the ball where Romeo Crennel's expertise lies. They look ill-equipped and ineptly aligned in a 3-4 defense that is supposedly his bailiwick.

Second-half adjustments have challenged him and his coaching staff. I know what you're thinking. At least he has good clock management skills.

No?

Crennel has received his highest marks from management for providing a bedrock of stability in thought, word and deed for a young, emerging team. But here we are in his fourth year and the Browns are inconsistent starters and ineffective finishers on too many Sundays.

Here we are halfway through a season that has already leaked virtually every last drop of playoff promise, and running back Jamal Lewis feels the need to call out teammates for oversized egos and a lack of heart and effort.

So what does Crennel say, given that opening by Lewis? Not much. Not enough.



Tony Dejak/Associated Press
Romeo Crennel's strength --- defense --- is failing him with the Browns, while his reputation as a calm and effective leader is being undermined by stars who preen and then fail in the same game.In the meantime, some of his players continue to strut their stuff at the slightest hint of success.
You see it in Braylon "That's what I do" Edwards after wrestling the ball away for a touchdown against Baltimore. Later, he dropped another pass beyond the Ravens' secondary. What he didn't say then was, "I do that, too."

A dozen or so muffs into the 2008 season, he must have figured that was understood.

Brady Quinn's starting debut against Denver relegated Edwards to the background and brought Kellen Winslow to center stage, where early against the Broncos he celebrated by posing and pointing at his biceps. He sabotaged his own good work with a fumble, a pass interference penalty that cost the Browns a first down and his drop that negated another first down on the Browns' final series.

Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio, another head coach of an underachiever, sent linebacker (and defensive captain) Mike Peterson home from practice two days in a row this week for insubordination. The difference of opinion stems from Del Rio calling out Peterson for his muscle flex after a sack against Cincinnati.

Jacksonville trailed, 21-3, at the time. Del Rio thought Peterson looked silly and said as much at a team meeting. Peterson didn't much care for that take.

Here in Camp Crennel, if lessons are being taught, they're not being learned.

The Browns allowed 993 yards in two games

That's a benchmark of defenselessness reached in modern times only by the 2006 Bengals and the ceding of the Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, West Bank and Golan Heights in the Six-Day War.

The temptation might be to ask if Crennel will take over defensive play calling as Wade Phillips did in Dallas. But that didn't turn the Cowboys miserly on defense. Apparently supervision is needed offensively for the Browns. Somebody needs to tell Rob Chudzinski to run the ball when he needs a yard to move the chains and still has timeouts, not to mention he should save the pitch sweeps for Jerome Harrison. Crennel should be the one, no?

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NFL Insider: Catching Cowher in a Web?
by Tony Grossi
Saturday November 08, 2008, 3:25 PM

Nick Ut/Associated Press
There's no question that Bill Cowher is the ultimate dream choice to become the new face of the Browns. One desperate fan built a Web site to urge the change.The Internet era makes life tougher for football coaches and now there's a Web site asking Browns owner Randy Lerner to hire Bill Cowher for the 2009 season.

Cowher09.com debuted a month ago "out of frustration," said co-creator Ryan Martz, a 25-year-old mortgage loan officer in Columbus.

Martz said in the 24 hours following the Browns' 34-30 meltdown loss to Denver on Thursday night more users signed his petition than in the previous seven days combined.

"When you have a team with tremendous talent and they go and swallow it, you have to question the coaching," Martz said. "I'm only 25. There are fans who have been with the Browns for 60 years and at some point they're going to lose them.

"People are spending $75 a ticket and they don't have jobs. It's frustrating. That's why we started the site."


Martz and partner Sam Lambert of Elyria offer T-shirts and sweatshirts for sale on their site with a caricature of Cowher's snarling face and jutting chin with the message: "Unleash the power of Cowher."

"Ever since we've come back [in 1999], we've experimented with inexperienced coaches," Martz said. "We just haven't had a coach with fire. I'm sure Romeo [Crennel] is a great guy and a helluva assistant coach. But there comes a point when you have to move on."

Martz said that Browns fans are empowered by the national perception -- spread by disgruntled former Brown Trent Dilfer -- that they had an impact in having Brady Quinn moved in as starting quarterback.

So now they want to win with Quinn and the Chin.

As of late Friday afternoon, the Cowher09.com petition had 83 total signatures. Not a Barack Obama-like groundswell, but there are seven weeks left in the season.

Grossi

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how do you know he can beat Pitt without Rex Ryan?

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Because he did it with Mike Nolan and Marvin Lewis too.

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Romeo's defense wasn't built in a day

The shoddy construction just makes it look that way.

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No, it was built in three days, (off-seasons), and most of that time was spent building the offense which don't look too bad talent wise. Another year or two geared toward building the other side of the ball and the defense will be putting up 30 points a game.

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Player's pointing fingers at each other, benchings, and near-historic streaks of incompetence on the field.

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Players, (plural), are not pointing fingers at each other. Unless it is happening beyond our knowledge. That is one frustrated, veteran leader of the team challenging his teammates to focus and step it up. The benching was a long time coming and overdue. I'll have to give you the near-historic streaks of defensive incompetence.

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Braylon "That's what I do" Edwards after wrestling the ball away for a touchdown against Baltimore. Later, he dropped another pass beyond the Ravens' secondary. What he didn't say then was, "I do that, too."

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Brady Quinn's starting debut against Denver relegated Edwards to the background and brought Kellen Winslow to center stage, where early against the Broncos he celebrated by posing and pointing at his biceps.

...Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio, another head coach of an underachiever, sent linebacker (and defensive captain) Mike Peterson home from practice two days in a row this week for insubordination. The difference of opinion stems from Del Rio calling out Peterson for his muscle flex after a sack against Cincinnati.

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"When you have a team with tremendous talent and they go and swallow it, you have to question the coaching," Martz said. "I'm only 25.

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Say what you want about Shaw, who's an idiot, or about Grossi, who can be an idiot, but one thing is factual: Whether it's direct or indirect, they are both pointing the finger directly at Crennel.

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...his move to switch QB's didn't provide the W it was supposed to,,,

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Dude, Bro, pal, friend, you've got to let that go. I've never seen you like this. In fact, I don't know if you'ver ever done such a thing and that is to decide for yourself what the motivation was for someones decision and pound to death the reason it was wrong and didn't work.

He made the switch to Quinn. That was a move many, many people were expecting sooner rather than later anyway. You believe, (I don't), that he knew in his heart of hearts, in his 38 years experience as a football coach, that it would be a no-brainer decision to start a completely inexperienced, young QB, in a game, on a short week, with one dang practice and against all those odds, he totally expected that player to put the entire team on his shoulders and win the game.

That seems to be what you believe was his entire motivation for that decision. It was not and could not have been. Yet, young dude almost did win the game. But he didn't. And you hold that against him, and his coach, for simply repeating the same thing the guy he replaced has done over and over only in much worse showings.

A couple of weeks earlier, the guy he replaced had a meltdown and threw a pick six to effectively end the game. But that is the guy, because of his experience, you felt should have started as he provided the best chance to win this most recent game.

Experienced be damned, the guy he replaced has a history of rookie mistakes, bad decisons and coming up way short of displaying that his experience counted for much. Yeah, sometimes he played well beyond his years, like a seasoned vet. But that was so up and down it was maddening.

The coach gets weary of dealing with the inconsistancy and decides it is time to put an end to it, right now, at whatever cost, and the new kid puts up 30 points which should have won the game except for a "near-historic streak of incompetence" on the defensive side of the ball. That switch could have been seen as a positive from the viewpoint of the future of this franchise.

Instead, you harp on the new guy for a couple of rookie mistakes, (the same kind of mistakes the guy before him made rather consistantly), and a pass that a receiver let slip through his hands. The guy he replaced should have been so lucky to have had the defender let the pick-six slip through his hands. At least the new kid threw it at one of his own teammates.

Accept this: It was time for the change.



EVERYBODY READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT IT...

After Savage drafted Joe Thomas he told us he gave us a clue two weeks prior to the draft in a press conference when at the end of his talk about the possibilities that the left tackle might be the safest pick. "I told you guys but you never picked up on it", he joked with the media.

Well, I think RAC has been telling us something about DA as well. Did anyone pick up on it?

In two, if not three, of his recent press conferences he said, regarding DA, that as his supporting cast improves then DA will improve. He answered that to questions several times and it seemed he was defending DA.

Was he?

How many times have people, including yourself, said that a quarterback needs to elevate the play of those around him. It's not up to the players around him to elevate his play. Don't deny knowing that fact of "Franchise QB'ing 101."

So what was RAC saying?

It sounded like he was defending DA because he never throws his players under the bus so it always sounds like he is defending one of them when questions arise. But looked at from a different point of view, like the comment Savage made regarding his first pick in the draft, was RAC telling us that DA is the kind of QB that needs those around him to support and elevate his play? Was he saying that DA is not the type of QB to elevate the play of those around him? Had he seen enough of DA to have come to that conclusion and tried to tell us without explaing the meaning of what he was saying?

Go back and listen to some of his recent pressers. It's a pain in the ass but do it anyway. You will hear him say it more than twice and his facial expression is one that looks like he is trying to teach his listeners something. Problem is, it went over their heads.

Me, being an astute student of all things , picked up on that after he made the switch while trying to understand exactly why he did it. Folks like you make me think of those things deeper than I otherwise might have.

"As his supporting cast improves he will improve." What did he just say?


"Changing the dynamic. We all think we know what that means. Look it up and see if you can't see that the dynamic he is trying to change is moving to a QB who can elevate the play of his supporting cast instead of the other way around.

So my premiss is RAC and Co. know that DA is never going to be a franchise type QB due to his core character and have moved on for that reason if no other.

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If he hasn't allready lost the team, he's one more ugly loss away from it.

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It's ok that you don't like RAC and would like to see him go. You're positively not a knee-jerk about it since you've made your well thought out opinion known regarding that issue very early on. But where I have always seen you as one of the most level-headed, big-picture thinkers on the board, it seems lately that you have narrowed your focus to the one issue of the HC can't do anything right as you dig deeply for any nugget that would make him look bad and go to extremes at times to magnify those nuggets into boulders of deadly evidence against him.



Look Bro, a bit of advice from a dear old friend, get rid of that woman, she's making you crazy and you're taking it out on the coach.

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Think back to the phoney-balogny extension that Butch got. It's the exact same thing, a move designed to give the illusion of stability.

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how do you know he can beat Pitt without Rex Ryan?

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Because he did it with Mike Nolan and Marvin Lewis too.

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how do you know he can beat Pitt without Rex Ryan?

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Because he did it with Mike Nolan and Marvin Lewis too.

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He was 9-9 vs. Pitt.....just so you know.

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No, I'm not that confident in Tucker. I just don't think he can be judged yet. Oh, and I didn't say anything about a new HC.

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Does the buck stop at the head coach or not?

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It's not RAC's fault because of his coordinators?

But it's not Billick's doing, it's his coordinators that provided the wins?

OK.

So we just need good coordinators. Is that your argument?

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So a couple of admitted idiots pointing the finger at Crennel gives credence to their being right in what way? It's what they do.

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Exactly. That's what they do. Metaphorically speaking, they are a barometer, nothing more. In the context of my post, it's not what they specifically said or quoted that matters, but why they are saying it. Since my post is based around signs that point towards the demise of a head coach, their articles are one of the signs.

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They are all about pointing fingers to either what they believe is good or bad. When they are good, the finger gets pointed to the great plays the great players made. When they are bad, the finger gets pointed to the HC.

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Not so fast my friend. Not so fast.

I can point you to TONS of articles that smack around McDonald, Winslow, and Edwards. It's not so simple as the players get all the credit and the coaches get all the blame.

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In fact, I don't know if you'ver ever done such a thing and that is to decide for yourself what the motivation was for someones decision and pound to death the reason it was wrong and didn't work.

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That's because I don't have to decide for myself. RAC made it quite clear why he made the switch. Since he said he wasn't giving up on the season, it means he felt that Quinn was ready to come in and win the game, experience be damned.

However, I'm not going down that road again.

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But where I have always seen you as one of the most level-headed, big-picture thinkers on the board, it seems lately that you have narrowed your focus to the one issue of the HC can't do anything right as you dig deeply for any nugget that would make him look bad and go to extremes at times to magnify those nuggets into boulders of deadly evidence against him.

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I'm sure it can appear that way on the surface. The most recent factor that points to my stance stems from what I perceive to be a move to a rookie QB one game too early. However, it goes deeper than that, as I thought it was idiotic to state we were going to beat the Donks. That's an embarassing statement for any HC to make, and frankly, I can't think of the last time I heard a HC make it. There's a reason for that, and more than one reason why I've become exceedingly vocal about RAC's time coming to an end.

Eventually, enough mistakes are enough. From his coaching selections to his slow or ill-timed reactions to circumstances to his well-below average gametime decisions to his inability to impose his will on the players, it all adds up to his time coming to an end. Quite frankly, I can't see any logic with investing a 5th year in RAC. As noted, all the indicators are pointing to his exit, and I'm 100% behind it.