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I tried looking to see where to post - I'm sorry refs but I couldn't find any that were appropriate...maybe Toads thread but it was locked. Its not a Game Day post either. So I know your first inclination is to say oh geesh another QB thread.

But this is more about the decision of the change of QB - I personally think that BQ is the better QB to cultivate, always have. But the circumstances of the change are not of the best plans. And I wanted to bring a discussion on this. So delete if you must. But this isn't a DA vs BQ thread. Its about the DECISION and hopefully our learned fellow Browns fans can stay on topic and not make it into a DA vs BQ thread. Thanks in Advance

Like most things its really not all Black n White clear one way or another. All I can do is look back at things as I see it.

I thought BQ was the QB to commit to this season. But the organization especially the coaching staff committed to DA.
1. He was more experienced.
2. We just gave him a big but also Show Me contract, this season was to be the Show Me.
3. Our schedule was to be brutal with top defensive teams...especially the start with Dallas, Steelers and Ravens.
4. DA looks real good, I mean great in practice as he does also in rare days where he is in his comfort zone on game day.

So I can understand the commitment to DA and I agree it should be that way and if there was a competition it should have been short n sweet. We decided why bother...commit.

But those first 3 games we were worried about starting an experience QB...outside of the first which with a month layoff from DA, BE n Lewis just wasn't accountable to DA...but the next 2. DA played like the inexperienced QB and we had the worst case scenario of 0-3 exactly why they didn't want BQ to start. Always we heard, "DA gave us the best chance to win" but we would see on game day the opposite.

He dug his hole. Those who weren't firmly in his camp (fans wise) he lost them. Then we beat the Bengals...yipee but not in a fashion to say he's back on track. Then WOW!!! what a performance in the Giants game and I'm thinking. Maybe the coaches or correct and This is DA's awakening, every young QB has them where all of a sudden the game slows down for them.

My expectations were great. Then came the Redskin game...very important for us to get back into the running of our Division and the playoff race. The team seemed to be ready to win. But DA was terribly off - he ripped the heart out of me what ever was left in believing that he could be the guy. His inconsistency has told me that he can be GOOD-Great here n there. But never will he be able to sustain that kind of play throughout a season, throughout a Playoff run against the elite. He was done in my books.

Stay with him the season...bring in BQ? When? Where? Not my choice, game by game - the way DA executes in practice no way BQ gets the nod as in stating well DA has lost it. Stay the season with DA as BPG suggests? I don't know cause guess what. I think the coaching staff really believes in DA and just cannot separate the DA they see in practice from the one we see on game day. I think they would stick with DA next season as well?

Savage - I think was leaning a bit as the season wore on towards BQ for the future...hard to call cause he has invested in both guys.

What I don't like about this switch. Is that it didn't come from the Coaches. Apparently I'm not 100% certain but everything that I have read it doesn't come from Rip, Chud or RAC. That is the part that I don't like. Cause no matter what they say now...in their hearts, mind and soul. They don't believe in committing to BQ. This is not good at all.

Will they even give him a chance to open things up. Will we see a stupid Conservative game plan cause they don't believe in BQ as if his name is Fitzgerald? Are we going to see any first down passes at all? Or will it be Run up the middle Run up the middle and how to give BQ a manageable 3rd down situation. Basically handcuffing and giving the kid QB nothing but must hit pressure situations on 3rd down.

The less 3rd down situations we hand our QB the better. That means getting first downs on down 1 n 2. We won't do it with teams playing 8-9 in the box and right into their hands!

At first I was pretty happy, heck my wife thought I cheated on her cause of the smile on my face But the more I read and listen, I really don't like how this is coming down.

The fans chose it???? The coaches should NEVER, EVER, NEVER submit to us IDIOTS.

It came from Lerner. If so the only good thing about that is that it came from Jim Brown. As nobody has Randy's ear and respect more than Jim Brown.

Hopefully it came from Savage as well. Cause if it didn't nobody, none of the football people we got believe in this decision. If they don't believe in it how the heck will the players. If they don't believe in it. Its going to be disasterous. So much so that RAC will be gone after the season. Savage might be looking elsewhere as he was forced to start a QB he wasn't willing to go with at the time.

I don't like this decision UNLESS ALL BUY INTO IT!

JMHO - I'm praying he comes out a blazing which is almost unheard of from a first time Starter! Cause if he does...then All will buy into him and we got a NEW ERA! But if he struggles...we could be watching the end of this regime and us starting all over again.

I guess it is something we will never know as to if everybody bought in to it.

The timing seems to indiacte Lerner, in a PR move as much as anything else(for this week)

The logical time if not a game or two back would have been after the Denver game on a Thursday heading in to a Monday game...a 10 day spread, allowing the change a chance to settle with the team and allow Quinn a little time to digest the situation.

But....Quinn has been around a while now. It isn't like he is a raw rookie...time for him to take the ball no matter who handed it to him and take it as far as he can.

Go Browns.

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I guess it is something we will never know as to if everybody bought in to it.

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I would go a step further and say that I would find it extremely hard to believe if somebody told me that Chud, RAC, Phil and Randy all reached this decision at the same time..... my guess is that some might have felt it a while back and others still might not be of the opinion that this is the right thing to do... but at some point, a decision had to be made. It is interesting to wonder who had the ultimate say though..

Funny how things work out bro ... I have wanted this since day 1 .. but how we arrived at it has me with a sour taste in my mouth and wondering if were in deep trouble as a franchise .... for two reasons ...

1. DA is a scapegoat here ... over the last 4 games he's thrown for 5 or 6 TD's and 1 pick ... THATS OUTSTANDING ... now I am not going to sit here and say he played good because he didn't .. but for those saying he played bad enough to be benched .. there just so angry/disguisted with DA they can no longer objectively evaluate him ..

DA did not play good the last 4 games but he did not play bad .... he did some good things and he did some bad things .... but he was no wheres near as bad as some want to make him out to be ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ....

so the only way from this standpoint I can see us benching DA is because we need some sort of spark on O to get us out of the mud and this was really the only way to do it ... it wouldn't be fair to DA but if that is the reason I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT ... because as unfair as it is to DA were responsible to all the members of the team and that is the only real IMPACT switch we can make ....

cause heres what really got me scratching my head ... WHY NOW??? and unlike Pit and Hel and the rest of the blind folk it has nuttin to do with the 3 day week .. and has everything to do with us BEING OUT OF THE PLAYOFF PIC ... HORSE HOCKEY ..... were 2 games out in the wild card with 8 to play ... ITS NOT GOING TO BE EASY BUT NO WAY ARE WE OUT OF IT ... NO WAY ...

look at the wild card teams ... NONE OF THEM ARE VERY GOOD AT ALL .... not a single one ... and our schedule lightens up considerably right now ... our next 3 games are very very winnable ... and then we have Cinci left also ... NO WAY CAN THE ORG BE GIVING UP ON THE PLAYOFFS .... NO WAY IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care about injuries I don't care about perception in or out of the locker room .. the Org. has to SHOW THEY WILL NOT GIVE UP ... and if there making this move because there "giving up" on the year and not because there looking for a "spark" to salvage our faint playoff hopes .. WERE $CREWED ...

U can not send that message as an Org. to the players in the locker room and U can't send it to potential FA's .. as there a few of them left that actually VALUE WINNING .... not as many as U would think .. but there are some ..

I do not believe that to be the case .. cause these guys are GOOD FOOTBALL PEOPLE and have made mostly the right moves ... I believe there doing it for the spark BQ can possibly provide to give us our best shot at ressurecting the season and getting back into it ..

2 ............. so after I finally get my arms around that I start grappling with who's decision was it .. and this decision had to me made by 3 men and 3 men only ... RAC. Chud and Rip .. if Opie or Lerner was involved .. WERE $CREWED ... so that is the REAL BIG POTENTIAL PROBLEM WITH THIS ....

we can't have our owner or GM FORCING THINGS DOWN THE THROATS OF OUR FOOTBALL PEOPLE .... and I don't care what the reason is ... but if its the fans .. then its even worse ..... but letting the owner or GM in on football decisions is the DEATH KNELL OF A FRANCHISE ... just look at all the owners/gm's hands on football type stuff and u will see a history of failure .. the easy one is in dallas .. he brings in JJ and stays out of it and they win .. he forces JJ out so he can get involved and they stink .. he brings in the Tuna and goes back to his box and they win .. he decides he wants TO and shoves him down the Tuna's throat and he leaves .. they suck again ...

as bad as I feel for DA who IMO did not deserve to be benched on the merits of his play ...... this decision has me excited as hell cause I get to see my boy ... but man I just can't get rid of the sinking feeling in my gut that Opie and/or Lerner really over stepped there bounds here and that would be a HORRIFIC HORRIFIC sign for this org. moving forward ....

theres my .02 on it .. hopefully some truth will filter through at some point .. cause all we may get is Org. rhetoric ... this may be one of those things we never know the truth about ...

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hopefully some truth will filter through at some point .. cause all we may get is Org. rhetoric ... this may be one of those things we never know the truth about ...

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This will be one of those things that the need to know the truth will be completely dependent on the outcome.. If BQ comes in a plays well and wins some games then the staff and FO will be climbing all over each other taking credit, giving credit away, patting each other on the back for a job well done. The players will say primarily the right things about supporting whichever QB is on the field blahblahblah....

If it goes the other way and BQ looks lost and continues to look lost and we struggle the remainder of the season not winning many games... then at the end of the year it might be "every man for himself" in an attempt to save jobs.. the players will be more vocal about their opinions, RAC, Chud and Phil might start pointing fingers at each other.... then we won't get "the truth" we might get several of them to pick from...

So in the end, BQ holds the key to whether this decision goes away or blows up in the face of the whole organization.. now I don't think that's fair, any more fair than booing DA for balls other people dropped... but it is what it is. Now go get'em Brady.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this was a small part of the 5 year plan. Give each QB an equal amount of games this year, go into next training camp with a real QB battle and the 5th year and after we should be set at QB. This is why Savage said he wanted both QBs back next year as well. I've been thinking this since DA struggled and still didn't get yanked in the 1st half of the Cincinnati game. Possible? Maybe I'm just over thinking here.

No doubt if it works, everybody will go on record as approving the decision.

I think the finger pointing has already taken place deep in the bowels of the complex.

Now we are seeing the biggest finger starting to push some buttons.

DA is a scapegoat here ... over the last 4 games he's thrown for 5 or 6 TD's and 1 pick ... THATS OUTSTANDING ... now I am not going to sit here and say he played good because he didn't .. but for those saying he played bad enough to be benched .. there just so angry/disguisted with DA they can no longer objectively evaluate him ..

Some just don't want to admit Edwards dropping everything including staph is a problem..no # 2 wr..starters missing from the Oline..defense playing turrible..buy lets give these things a free pass..

so the only way from this standpoint I can see us benching DA is because we need some sort of spark on O to get us out of the mud and this was really the only way to do it ...

I think that is what they're looking for..but I'm not it will happen if you throw in everything else..perhaps someone just felt since DA's not the QB of the future , find out now if Quinn is.

WHY NOW??? and unlike Pit and Hel and the rest of the blind folk it has nuttin to do with the 3 day week .. and has everything to do with us BEING OUT OF THE PLAYOFF PIC ... HORSE HOCKEY ..... were 2 games out in the wild card with 8 to play ... ITS NOT GOING TO BE EASY BUT NO WAY ARE WE OUT OF IT ... NO WAY ...

We are not out of it and I kept to that thought as of yesterday..
However just maybe some of it has to do with the 3 day week..well rather the opponent..Denver..another weak team..gets Quinn warmed up for the Bills 9 days away..
Well why not just DA on a short week?
I have no solid info but I did hear the FO is ticked that DA was inept in the fourth quarter, the last few drives that melted down ,could not overcome the mishaps on offense...plus the fact he was outplayed by Flacco who marched their team and scored..of course the defense allowed that to happen..

who's decision was it .. and this decision had to me made by 3 men and 3 men only ... RAC. Chud and Rip .. if Opie or Lerner was involved .. WERE $CREWED ... so that is the REAL BIG POTENTIAL PROBLEM WITH THIS ....
Uh...I don't know about Rac..perhaps they were all in on this..maybe they felt this needed to be done..DA may have been on a shorter leash than we thought.
Or it could be some heat coming from the top , as I said if the head guys are as ticked as I heard , they might have turned up the heat ..
I would like to believe it's the coaches but there's a part of me that says another voice was in on this..
It's not the fans..I serious doubt it..but don't tell me they aren't aware of the fact that if DA had some bad series against the Broncos, it would get ugly..
This is one of those times where I think there's a lot going on upstairs..but it's not the end..

The other question I have on this? Is this a temp decision cause the coaches aren't firmly behind it as one of their own???

The likelihood that BQ struggles is pretty high. Also if the coaching staff does not believe in BQ do you know what their game plan is?

Run up the middle, Run off tackle...and pray that there is a manageable 3rd down situation for BQ with 3rd n 3 or better. Putting all the BQ eggs into a high pressured 3rd down completion BASKET. That is a true formula of FAILURE!!! That is what I fear.

And if he does struggle will the Coaches all petition the guy who made the call to let them change as in...See, we were right now let us do our job! Nobody likes a decision forced on them and that is not fair to BQ cause he will be up against a stacked deck.

Hopefully we will see Chud go to BQ's strengths. Give him good reads. Let him go to no huddle, let him audiblize...let him LEAD!

But I have yet to hear these words from RAC.

BQ is our QB, he is OUR STARTER from Here On IN!! I haven't heard any commitment to BQ that is needed if you make the move.

Diam, no its not all on DA, but he has had his 25 games as a starter. Yes, he didn't throw any INTs or many these past 4 games. But it was the Redskins game that Eulogized him. You can be BAD without throwing an INT. And not throwing the INTs sure did help him elevate that QB rating to be the 31st best in the NFL Fact is he played poorly in our losses and very inconsistent. You just can't function with somebody who is inconsistent. You need a string of victories to have a MOMENTUM of Invincibility as a team. You know that mantra of winning cures all. Well a string of wins more than cures it, The team has a chance to take it to the next level. Not with DA, he is just too inconsistent.

It was the Redskin game that I think who ever made this call had their minds made up. It was that game that this team this franchise was prepared and in the frame of mind that they were GREAT!!! Like no other that we had. And it seemed ONE GUY WAS FLAT. One guy not only did not bring his A game when all around did...he brought his D game instead. Not F cause he didn't throw INTs around.

Great people seize their opportunities to BE Great - That was DA's, nothing could have been better for him and pure and simple HE CHOKED, he has a history of that.

But as you and I know its not the fact BQ is coming in. Its the HOW, WHY and WHO that bothers both you and I.

Cause if it was an answer via the fans as Dilfer claims...quite frankly how can ESPN use him as an expert on the subject as he has bitterness towards the franchise and obviously feels that it was the FANs that sat him and made him the back up...not his play. I can't trust his reporting.

But if it was from the FANS dictating policy. We are in big trouble.

JMHO

Glad you started this thread eo. I think that this switch is from Savage himself. He invested his drafting reputation on grabbing Quinn in the '07 draft. I remember that day and was hoping they would grab Joe Thomas at #3. Then when the fall of Quinn started, he (Savage) pulled the trigger to get him. At the time I was thrilled and cautiously optimistic as I thought maybe he'd given up too much for him. Everyone knows that the foundation of a team is built through the draft and Savage really rolled the dice that day. It's difficult to compare this situation to any other as I don't blame all of the losses on Anderson. But with all that Savage invested in Quinn in the draft, he wants to find out if his gamble has paid off. Now I hope that the front office hasn't written off the season and hope they keep the playbook open for Quinn as that's the only chance this team has for success. If Chud scales back the playbook that could be the undoing for Quinn.

Well, here we are a year and half later. Anderson was the benefactor of a pretty easy schedule last year and 10-6 was the result. Last year I wasn't completely sold on him as I thought he benefited from havi†g good receivers to make him look good. But when the team keeps winning, you don't make a change at QB. The only problem I had with him was the Dr. Jeckle/Mr. Hyde thing.

Fast forward to 2008 and we knew when the schedule came out this year that it was just a matter of time before we could potentially see Quinn. Perhaps this isn't the best way for it play out. As I thought it was possible that Anderson would maybe get hurt as we face some tenacious defenses. Then we would have no choice to see what the kid has to offer. He's had a year and half to learn the system. I guess we'll find out if we had a Phillip Rivers/Drew Brees situation here or not. And for those naysayers who say it's a short week that's a bunch of crap. Quinn has had a year and half to get ready for this game. The potential always existed that he could have come in during any game.

You listen to any presser and he says that he prepares each week as if he's the starter. The only difference is he knows he'll be starting now. I truly hope that Chud opens the playbook up and let's Quinn show what he's got. If he doesn't then I'll be jumping on the clear the front office bandwagon. As that's how they can set Quinn up for failure.

Sit Down ... don't want u to fall down when i say this .. *L* ..

For once i will be civil with U and try and have a discussion instead of just driving the truck back and forth over U .. (thanks hel that was a good one .. *L*) ...

U secure in your chair??? U MAY BE RIGHT .. this may be a PR move .. if it was .. WERE $SCREWED ... I have no clue ... NONE WHAT SO EVER ..

now .. with that said .. based on the last game alone RAC, Chud and Rip would not have decided to bench him .. BUT .. if they were teetering ... and see the season slipping away and came tot he conclusion the team needed a kick in the ass and this was the only way to do it .. they could have come to the conclusion I PRAY THEY DID ...

the key here .. HOW CLOSE WERE THEY TO MAKING THE MOVE BEFORE THIS GAME ... I mean lets face it .. this was not a one week decision .... this has beem discussed for more than likely a month now .. and over the last month as I stated DA did nuttin to deserve to be benched (other than the Skins game) but he did nuttin to make them go . WOW .. WHAT A GOOD JOB HE DID today ...

and if there mind set prior to last week was very shaky as what to do .. then U add in that so-so performance based on the fact the O needs a spark and the playoffs are in serious doubt as it is .. maybe its time ..

with all that said .. I believe the worst CASE for me may have occured .. I believe the decision was prolly made by either Opie or Lerner ... and THAT IS HORRIBLE EITHER WAY ...

I do not believe it was a PR move .. there was no need for it .. we as a fan base get mad all the time .... we came back after Bernie got booted ... WERE GOING NO WHERE .... or maybe i just can't believe it was a PR move cause that would spell the ULTIMATE DOOM FOR ANY SPORTS FRANCHISE ..

DC your prolly right about the outcome .. but to me the outcome means DIDDLY ... If U have Opie/Lerner making these decisions .. thats a MAJOR FLAW IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCCESS ....

and I also believe if BQ lights it up .. and if RAC didnlt want to make the move .. he wonlt come out and say he was against it .. but he will give credit where it was due ... IMO no matter what else anyone wants to say about him .. HE'S PROVEN TO BE A STAND UP GUY ..

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Some just don't want to admit Edwards dropping everything including staph is a problem..no # 2 wr..starters missing from the Oline..defense playing turrible..buy lets give these things a free pass..

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Show me the quotes where anybody who wants to see BQ play has said the WRs are great, the defense is great, etc..... show me. We have more than one problem, we need to address them individually, there are a few other people on this team that I hope I don't have to watch next year but right now there is nobody behind them that looks like they could be better... as soon as somebody behind them appears better, I'll call for that person too..

Look at Alex Hall, he's shown flashes, people want him to play.. Look at Harrison, he's shown flashes, people want him to play.. This isn't just about getting the glamour QB on the field, it's about making the team better and, contrary to what Trent Dilfer believes, I don't think you have to wait until the team is great before you make a QB decision.. heck if that was the case, DA would have been benched last year because the team as a whole was playing much better than they are now and he was playing exactly the same.

I'm going to say this Once and only One more time.... yeah right -

The team in 2007 with the most dropped passes were the NY Giants.

Its a problem - but its not a problem that will sink a team.
JMHO

OH you mean the posts that say well if DA was on target Brayless wouldn't lose his focus?
U mean that mess that was spewed on here just a few weeks ago?
Nah..don't need to go and search for that crap when I know I responded to it....sure you weren't one to toss that out there?
U reacted too quickly to my remarks to Diam

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Nah..don't need to go and search for that crap when I know I responded to it....sure you weren't one to toss that out there?

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Pretty sure.. I've been very critical of BE... I've been fairly supportive of the defense up until this week when I was fairly critical of them...

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U reacted too quickly to my remarks to Diam

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Right place at the right time I suppose.

Crennel explains The Move

Nov 4th, 2008 @ 12:15 pm by Steve Doerschuk

“I felt like we needed a different dynamic on the offense. Our record, offensive ranking, offensive production. So I made the decision to make the change.
“I wanted to talk to the players before I informed anybody else. I talked to Anderson first, then Quinn.
“D.A … He was disappointed but he’s a professional … he’ll handle it. He’ll deal with it.
“Quinn was thankful. I think he’ll make the most of that opportunity.
“I think Quinn will represent himself and will represent the Browns very, very well.
“This is a lifetime opportunity for him.
“It’s my decision. I informed the organization what I was thinking. They told me it was my decision and they would back whatever decision I made. I feel like I have the organization’s backing.”
Chris Mortensen reported Crennel mioght not have been on board with the decision. Crennel laughed it off.
Any other starting lineup changes?
Crennel: “You guys read into everything I say, so all I’m saying is no.”
“It’ll be a little tough on Denver to do all their homework on Quinn. A lot of times teams just carry some of the basic things from the last game forward into the next game.”
“The crowd will definitely be for (Quinn). That should lift him up a little bit.”
Will the offense change?
“Not a whole lot. Not knowing exactly how he’s gonna play, we might limit him a little early on. If he can handle things, then we’ll go with more.”
“Maybe his arm is not as strong overall as D.A.’s, but he can throw the ball deep.”
Was the team surprised?
“I didn’t give them the opportunity to be surprised. I just told ‘em what it was.”
What was Quinn’s response?
“He said thank you.”

- Eric Steinbach has “a pulled muscle in his rib area. He’s questionable for the game.”
Shaun Rogers took “a shot in the ribs” against Baltimore and is “questionable.” Another starting D-lineman, Corey Williams, is “questionable” as well.

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I REALLY hope Steiny is back to help support Brady's debut. Too bad we're on a short week, the minor bumps and bruises won't have a lot of time to heal by Thursday.

All jesting aside..this is a decision that will be spoken about being a mutual thing..now is it?
I think Rac has been loyal to DA..but even he said he thought about pulling him in the Cincy game..
We're going to hear things that say otherwise..like this:
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that he's "not sure if Romeo is on board" with the decision and that it was an organizational decision designed to change the energy in the Stadium. Crennel was not available for comment
Now we have Rac comments about the decision..did he feel some heat to do it..or did he know he's rode this wagon long enough?

thank you, thank you...pheww.

It sounds real and genuine and is a relief off of my mind. Actually the only thing that would have made it better for me is if RAC feels we will go this way and commit to BQ for the entire season.

JMHO

Not going to get into the DA "thing" with U here .. U know how i feel and I am not going to re-hash his last 4 games play in here ... not the place and I don't wanna do it anyhow ... *L* ... were prolly really close on how we feel and would end up fighting/arguing and then at the end decide were about 5/10th's different on a scale of 10 .... we usually turn that 5/10th's of a point into the grand canyon ....thats how it usually goes with U and i anyhow .. *L* .. on to your questions ...

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The other question I have on this? Is this a temp decision cause the coaches aren't firmly behind it as one of their own???

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I can't see that happening .. if this decision was shoved down there throats .. who ever forced it on them is not going to allow it to be reversed ... now if RAC quits in the next two weeks one only has to read the writing on the wall to know what happend .. but rAC IMO is a very stand up guy .... he is not going to QUIT MID SEASON ON HIS TEAM .. no matter what ...

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The likelihood that BQ struggles is pretty high. Also if the coaching staff does not believe in BQ do you know what their game plan is?

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my take on each of the coaches is as follows ....

RAC .... Stand up guy ... GOING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT ... PERIOD ... will not let his feelings, ego get in the way .. he is not going to hurt BQ cause of what someone else possibly did in the Org. .. he knows this is not BQ's fault .. plus there is the Wies factor .. he is not going to sabotage a good friends career ..

also RAC is coaching for his job IF HE STILL WANTS IT .... if this decision was shoved down his throat .. he may resign if he donlt get fired at the end of the year .. he mayto resign now but he is not going to quit on HIS TEAM ... he is not bOtch ...

NO WAY DOES THIS GUY SET ANYONE UP FOR FAILURE .. much less a good kid like BQ ...

Chud .. up and coming OC ... he has a new toy to work with ... a bright shiny one ... different in many ways than the old one .... NO WAY DOES HE BALL UP ... no way .. i actually think he opens it up more ... BQ does not have the physical tools that DA does .. but mentaly is much better ... USE HIS STRENGTHS ...

no way do i see Chud "balling" up ..

Rip ... the first thing BQ did when he finally got here was buy a house near Rip's so he could have his ear more ... Rip has changed his grip and has done a few other things with BQ ... Rip has lots invested in this kid ... and he knows how hard BQ works ..

now i know nuttin about Rip .. just can't see how he wouldn't wanna help him .. I mean u talk about "suppling up to a nipple" ... hey guys .. our new QB bought a house down the street from me so he can learn from me .. thats the ultimate in suppling .. *L* ...

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But as you and I know its not the fact BQ is coming in. Its the HOW, WHY and WHO that bothers both you and I.

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and that is why i have such a bad taste in my mouth ... and i HATE IT ... especially over this ...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2008/11/rac_it_was_my_decision.html

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Romeo Crennel said he made the call to bench Derek Anderson for Brady Quinn.

"Some things had to do with it," Crennel said. "Our record, offensive ranking, offensive production, so I made the decision to make the change."

Quinn basically will have one full day of practice before making his NFL starting debut Thursday night against the Denver Broncos.

"Timing? Well, I don't think the short week had nothing to do with it," Crennel said. "It was just time. We're not throwing in the towel, not giving up on the season, we're going to beat Denver, that's what we're going to do."

Crennel denied ESPN reports that the move was made by his bosses as a public relations ploy.

"It's my decision," Crennel said. "I informed the organization what I was thinking. They told me they would back whatever decision I made. I feel I have the backing."

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don't know how i feel about it. take it for what it's worth.

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JMHO - I'm praying he comes out a blazing which is almost unheard of from a first time Starter! Cause if he does...then All will buy into him and we got a NEW ERA! But if he struggles...we could be watching the end of this regime and us starting all over again.

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i expect him to come out blazing. frye, in his first rookie start against the jags was the rookie of the week with a 120+ rating and 2 tds. quinn should have no excuse to struggle against such a ...-poor defense. we should be running all over then and when we're not, quinn should be able to have their way with him. we'll see what happens but i am surprised you'd be so quick to annoint him anything after just one game (unless the "all" you're referring to is the coaching staff, i couldn't tell).

i'm reserving judgement until the end of the season, maybe even a little after that. i just hope this ride on the qb carousel lasts 2-3 years so we don't need to keep going into this crap. let's fix the rest of the team before thinking about another qb.

J/C. Anyone remember the details of the Quinn contract? What percentage of the plays does Quinn have to play to reach some of the incentives? Perhaps the timing of this has something to do with that. Now that the season is half over and the most Quinn could see is 50% of the snaps may have had something to do the decision. Something to think about.

What I have stated in another thread, seems to be worth repeating here... If you want to talk conspiracy theories and PR moves - this has NFL Network and ESPN written all over it. They want to boost interest and ratings for the games and what better personality to do it than former Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn? In fact, the NFL Network is probably recruiting new sideline reporters (Lindsey Soto? Mary Strong? Kara Henderson?) to interview him throughout the game. As for ESPN - they are salivating at reuniting Suzy Kolber and Brady after the touching moments they shared during the 2007 draft. Talk about the skyrockets in flight!!!

I think it was something like 55% of snaps over 3 seasons or 70% in any one.

No, this has nothing to do with anyones contract..
No matter who actually made this choice..even if it was Rac..it was to give the offense some consistancy..
I would like to think it is Rac's decision..perhaps knowing it was going to be this up and down /hot/cold performance from DA for the rest of the season.

I think it has more to do with the fact that they want to see what Quinn has to offer. And now is as good a time as any. I just thought it was funny that it comes at the midway point of the season. Perhaps a coincidence.

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and this decision had to me made by 3 men and 3 men only ... RAC. Chud and Rip .. if Opie or Lerner was involved .. WERE $CREWED ...

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Lerner yes,, savage,, no.. he's as much a football guy as the others you mention..

I guess I"m the dummy for this, but I don't care how they arrived it the decision... for better than a year I"ve been saying that I don't care who the starter is and I don't.. but I felt as if DA was doing a decent job and could improve.

My reasons for thinking that just don't exist any more.. I"ve come to the conclusion that he's inconsistent and will always be inconsistent....

Maybe they decided the very same thing...

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I don't like this decision UNLESS ALL BUY INTO IT!

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Wow; Where to start ! .. I see most , but not all of the games down here ... #1 I have never been a RAC fan or thought that Savage was all that and a bag of chips..Savage was suppose to be the Boy Genus ( personal/draft ) .. I don't think he has done badly or that Great : " Average " ! ! ...

#2 Mr. Lerner wants to stay out of the lime light and let the operation work .. I think he also a big, big , big fan : And like the rest of us is just a little tired of what he is seeing on any given Sunday.

#3 Right or wrong , I made my decision on DA. by the end of Last season. I was a big fan of a trade ( 1st & 3rd or what ever ) pick up a vet. and start the BQ. from training camp..

I don't think this is a RAC. move ... RAC, will stay with his guy until the last fan walks out ... He hate change , period ... More likely Lerner / Savage get together .. Combination shake up and PR... The right moves for all the wrong reasons .. Typical here in Cleveland !

DA. is being used as a scape goat , even though I am happy with the change .. BE. and a whole bunch of others on this team should be ashamed of them selves.. Remember " Who " assembled this crew !!!!!!!!!

I know I will catch some flack for this comment but ; This Team needs a Coach Like the " Chin " .. Mr. Drool would not stand for the way this team preforms , or should I say Dosn't ...

I feel bad for guys like Cribs / Rogers / JJ even Lewis ( has lost a step but gives every play his all ) .. I feel bad for BQ. and the way he is entering the game..

I just heard RAC on the radio...he sounds like he really was on board..but that doesnt make it so. He said all the right things about Quinn and how we need a new face/spark in the huddle.

For the Browns sake...lets all hope and pray that the coaches reveiwed the film ysterday morning, then in their afternoon prep meeting, MOST of them thought we should go with BQ.

If this was Randy or Phil(my guy feeling )...then we are in trouble, long term...you cant run a franchise that way. If you dont have confidence in your HC and staff to make decisions...then find some that you do trust.

The GM cannot be constantly involved in the teams day to day crap...or whos playing.

Maybe it really was those last 2 drives where we were at the 40 and 50 and couldnt move the ball....maybe it was how he lost his moxy after the BE drop. Maybe it was they way Flacco never folded, and showed his moxy. Did Flacco vs. DA open some eyes on the staff? Hope, Hope, Hope.





Unfortunatley...this regime has muffed the QB deal again...twice in 2 seasons...not good now matter ho you look at it. Many idiot fans felt last year we shoulda taken the picks and dropped DA.

Wrong QB starting 2 seasons running!