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A team to keep a close eye on is the Seahawks. Hasselbeck is 33 and has back problems. That's also right around the corner from Anderson's old stomping grounds. They are the team to watch IMHO.




The Anderson/Frye reunion. Warms the heart . . .

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I was under the impression that DA's contract was worked in such a way that we were fairly well protected if he flopped this year....

If I remember correctly,
- His contract was backloaded, with this year him being paid reasonably but not excessive.
- Extremely large chunk of change is attached to a June roster bonus (5 million if I remember correctly)

Thus, we get burned on the signing bonus but somehow I doubt if its more than the 5 mil we'd have to pay out if he's on the team as of June.

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Contract Information for Derek Anderson

2/29/2008: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2008: $950,000, 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent


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If we'd have lost to the Broncos with Anderson, the season would have truly been over and we'd have switched to Quinn regardless. I'd have agreed with that move. We're doing it now so that when he faces those defenses, he'll have gotten his feet wet in a friendly environment.

I understand the reasons here, but I don't agree with'em.




That's fair enough. I'm a little confused. Are you saying that the front office is making this too easy on Quinn or too hard on Quinn? Would he be better off waiting until the Buffalo game?

I guess I'm glad that they are doing it in this manner because a win against Denver would likely mean that Anderson, RAC, and Phil could say that the team is doing well enough so they can keep their jobs... So, maybe the cards at the end of the season will include a new GM and head coach?

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Dream scenario:

Try to trade DA and Winslow in a package deal and get a top 10 pick. Maybe from kansas city. They need a TE to replace gonzalez and they need a QB.

1st round: Use both top 10 picks for george selvie and/or rey maualuga.
2nd round: Draft a playmaker at WR
4th round: Draft PJ Hill (If he declares)

If they pulled that off I wouldnt give a damn about the rest of the off season. I mean yeah this would put them in cap room hell but we need LB help bad.

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Try to trade DA and Winslow in a package deal and get a top 10 pick. Maybe from kansas city. They need a TE to replace gonzalez and they need a QB.





Dream scenario is correct because that is where it will stay.

Why would anyone think that a team would give up more than a 3rd round pick for Winslow or a 2nd round pick for Anderson? Packaged together does not equal a top10 pick.

(and I am being generous in those allotments. GB was set to give a 4th rounder to KC for Tony Gonzalez before Peterson vetoed the deal. And a team would only give us a 2nd for Anderson if they were desperate for him, which they most likely will not be).

Also, remember that Matt Cassel is an unrestricted FA this offseason. If he continues to look decent, teams may line up to grab him first since they will not have to give NE additional compensation.


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I agree SF, KC, Minny, and Seattle are likely trade partners as I said previously. I think Minny makes the most sense because DA fits their style rather well (deep balls to Berrian and Rice all day long).

However, I disagree that Detroit will not make an inquiry. I do not believed they are married to having Culpepper there next year as it is and we do not know for sure who their GM will be. So, they definitely could be players.


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ur sig is hilarious... but yet at the same time kind of depressing.. lol.

I think we really need a beast to replace Davis. I love Davis. I don't really have too much against him, other than the fact that he is on the slower side. But he's been here a while, and whether he likes it or not.. His spot is on the line.

If the Browns got Rey Maualuga from USC... I would be pretty happy with that acquisition. Other than Rey, I'm really looking at Jasper Brinkley of South Carolina.


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Well, as for DA, the right time to trade him was last off season.. I mean to get the most for him that would have been the time.. Yeah, I agree he has value, but not as much as he had last march! JMO however.

I'm pretty tired of Winslows antics as well... But before we would trade him, I'd like to see how this new kid, Rucker looks.. If Rucker looks good,, then trade winslow and DA and get a 1st round pick for them..

Find me the next Ray Lewis in the draft with one of the first round picks then find me a stud receiver or RB with the other 1st round pick..

That would make me extremely happy....


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We need some flesh eating LB's. LB's that will POP anyone, that fight to get through blocks, and get to their destination and WRECK HAVOC on ANYONE in their way!!


Savage... FIND THEM!!!

I really wanna see Beau Bell more at MLB to see if he has that in him.




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That'll never happen. The NFLPA would never let such a thing go down.




Maybe I wasn't clear....I was speaking in terms of him working a new deal with a new club as part of the trade process.

No, we aren't going to trade him under that deal and him tell us or the other club they don't have to pay the money.

You might be right about the demand. I hope so anyway.

I myself still think DA is going to be a good NFL starting QB, so I guess I need to keep the faith you have.

I do disagree we have the space to keep both if BQ keeps the job.

Well, we probably have the space. Just not sure it is the wisest way to spend the money....but....if it is factored in to the plan, there isn't any reason to give something away if you don't need to do so.

I do think for the health of the team and the player, it is best we get rid of somebody. I do think had BQ not been here this year, the whole mojo surrounding DA would have been different, and it would have showed in his and the teams play. That undercurrent of another QB is damaging IMO.

We don't need to keep doing that.

There is a difference between providing competition and providing a unstable situation in the team. As much as we don't like to think it happens, what the media writes, and what the fans say and think does have a impact....usually negative.


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So, how do we play our cards this off season?



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Whatever we need to do to get LB's.
As has been said, unless BQ is a total flop, DA will not be able to exist here so we'll need a decent backup. (perhaps we trade him to Seattle for Frye and a pick)

We have a need at WR, RB (since they don't think JH is worth playing), someone to back up Rogers, OL (need a mauler) and perhpas a safety.


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I understand that....you can probably tell a total flop in 3-4 plays let along 8 games...but something tells me Quinn isn't going to be a TOTAL flop.

I hope it is that easy.

(not the flop part...the decision)


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This draft is the year of the linebacker
A. Rey Mauuluga USC
B. James Laurinatis OSU
C. Brian Cushing USC
D. Brandon Spikes Florida
E. Dannell Ellerbe Georgia

The Browns will get very little for Derrick Anderson, He may decide to take the Backup role in the Browns Offense, It will keep him in the NFL longer then if he goes to another team and tanks. I think he has a great arm and a quick release however he locks onto recievers to often. Some coach will take a flyer on him maybe a 4th round draft pick.

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Dannell Ellerbe is too small... Him and D'Q together would get THRASHED!!!

Jasper Brinkley BABY!!!


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I have not seen this kid from South Carolina however I will look for their game this weekend. Jasper Brinkley has good size at 6' 2" 257 Lbs Speeds not bad at 4.58 in the 40. If I had my choice it would be Rey Maualuga.

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I have not seen this kid from South Carolina however I will look for their game this weekend. Jasper Brinkley has good size at 6' 2" 257 Lbs Speeds not bad at 4.58 in the 40. If I had my choice it would be Rey Maualuga.




O most definitely... But I'm hoping we won't have a top 5 pick, lol... and thats what Rey is....

Watch how Brinkley drives this guy that i hate so much (sorry peen ) back back and back.... I LOVE IT!!



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NRTU, but Im amazed at how many people here seem to think there is going to be a hot market for a QB who was benched midseason, and a tight end who we couldnt move this trading season.
Winslow has a list of problems longer than my shopping list and DA was benched midseason for a guy who has never started a game. 3rd or 4th round picks is all anyone is going to offer for these guys.


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The Browns will get very little for Derrick Anderson, He may decide to take the Backup role in the Browns Offense, It will keep him in the NFL longer then if he goes to another team and tanks. I think he has a great arm and a quick release however he locks onto recievers to often. Some coach will take a flyer on him maybe a 4th round draft pick.




He has more value to coaches than we may think. Yes, the first weeks of this season are in the books and DA's play didn't bode well. But I think they will take a closer look at the last 4 games and the corrections that DA made to imporove his play. DA has more value with his skills and NFL experience than a 3rd round rookie QB pick.

I don't necessarily think he goes to another team and tanks. Especially if he is shipped to the Vikings, Cards, or (yes I'll say it) Dolphins. They have a lot of talent on offense. In fact, I would argue that if he ends on a team like those I've mentioned, he will be in the playoffs consistently within the next 3 years. Is Derek Anderson have playoff talent? He shows flashes of it and only time will improve his inconsistencies. He is still young and has a lot of football ahead of him. Plus, I think he will play better with no pressure from a first round pick on the bench breathing down his neck or fire breathing fans who root for the backup instead of the team.

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Since were talking draft

Some stud LBs to look out for

DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
6`7 freak of nature. Very athletic and fast for his size. Can play 3/4 OLB

OLB George Selvie, South Florida
Has good speed in pass rushing move to play dangerous ROLB/RE to take off some pressure on secondary.

DE Brian Orapko, Texas
A workout warrior like vernon gholston. Has great speed but very strong.

MLB Rey Maualuga, USC
Can be a powerful run stopper inside the box.

MLB Brandon Spikes, Florida
He has all tools to be 4-3 and 3-4 LB

OLB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest
He would be perfect for SAM lb

MLB James Laurinaitis, OSU
Would be good fit in tampa 2

DE Greg Hardy, Ole Miss
Good fit for 3-4 6 3 275 and he potentially runs in 4.7

OLB Brian Cushing, USC
Great size for 3-4 and always positions himself well

MLB Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
Heavy hitter and just solid all around

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...then trade winslow and DA and get a 1st round pick for them...




I've now seen this statement from you and others on the board the past 24 hours and I'm amazed at how insane it sounds. NOBODY would give a 1st round pick for that combo. I would be surprised to get a 2nd rounder for them.

Nobody offered much for da last year when his stock was high. I don't see how being the 2nd worst rated passer in the NFL after 8 games this season would raise that stock. And Winslow is still a liability when it comes to health and attitude (plus he wants a new deal).

WE AREN'T getting a 1st round pick for those two.


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Maybe I wasn't clear....I was speaking in terms of him working a new deal with a new club as part of the trade process.





Oh...........Well then...........I still disagree

Just in case we're still on different pages, let me offer how something like this can possibly play out......

While the NFLPA would never allow (no, they can't stop a player from doing it, but they'd pressure the hell out of him and/or his agent) a player to waive a bonus, what CAN happen is that the player suspends the payment until a later date. The intent is so that the player can retain that fat contract while his current team works out a deal with a new team. That's a good idea since there's no guarantees that the player will get the kind of money his current contract offers.

However, setting that aside, if you're talking about doing an extension, sure, it could happen. They could convert the signing bonus to some other kind of bonus and extend the contract.

Using the word "waive" goes to a place that no agent or NFLPA rep would want to go


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I do disagree we have the space to keep both if BQ keeps the job.

Well, we probably have the space. Just not sure it is the wisest way to spend the money....but....if it is factored in to the plan, there isn't any reason to give something away if you don't need to do so.




There is NO WAY IN HELL we keep Anderson on the bench at a nearly 10M Cap Hit...

One thing to look at is the #2 QB...Or lack of one...I seriously doubt we would go into the season with Dorsey as the #2...

As for Anderson's value...WHO KNOWS...

But I can tell you this...There are NUMEROUS NFL PEOPLE saying that they DISAGREE with this move because it isn't ALL ANDERSON'S FAULT...That's actually a good thing...And his play against the Giants helped our cause...

He's got value...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT...How much is the question...

SOME TEAM...QB needy will talk with us...I can see it now...This particular team will look at 2 things...Quinn was a HIGH PICK...So we made the change...And Anderson's completion percentage would be HIGHER if the drops weren't flyin' around every week...PLEASE LOOK AT THAT TEAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!...lol...

Someone will be willing to take the erratic play of Anderson because of the big play potential...

NO WAY will it be a #1 pick tho...NONE...

And we WILL NOT PAY THAT 5M BONUS...That's ALL ON OUR 09 CAP...Lump sum payment from Lerner...The dude may be mega rich but he didn't get there being stupid...He ain't handing a back-up QB a check for 5M and then getting rid of em'...That stupid...And it's also IRRESPONSIBLE CAP MANAGEMENT...


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I've now seen this statement from you and others on the board the past 24 hours and I'm amazed at how insane it sounds. NOBODY would give a 1st round pick for that combo.




Hey,, I'm allowed to dream arn't I?

You are probably right about that.. But even a couple of other pics for DA and Winslow would be terrific. They could be packaged to move up and grab someone of interest..


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But I can tell you this...There are NUMEROUS NFL PEOPLE saying that they DISAGREE with this move because it isn't ALL ANDERSON'S FAULT...That's actually a good thing...And his play against the Giants helped our cause...


And one or two of those NFL people may be the ones who want DA..

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Could be.....lets hope so if Quinn shows enough to give us some hope he can "be the guy".


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I do think for the health of the team and the player, it is best we get rid of somebody. I do think had BQ not been here this year, the whole mojo surrounding DA would have been different, and it would have showed in his and the teams play. That undercurrent of another QB is damaging IMO.





I think this is the ultimate downfall of DA. It would be hard for any young player to perform under the cicumstances that he had. DA was finally leveling out and getting into a rhythm that, I believe, was better than last year's and we turn to Cleveland's pride and joy to turn around the blunders of multiple components of this offense. Changing the QB is not going to change the injuries that you have at WR and the OL or the lack of performance in the OL and WR spot.

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DA's inconsistency left points on the field...your right..the other players have as well. But if you really go back and go through each game...you will see that a consistent QB probably would have got us atleast 2 more wins. DA cant run a no huddle, DA cant execute basic throws to keep the chains moving...he's missed several key 3rd down throws in nearly every game!

That cant happen..not when its an easy throw! Everybody would gladly subtract a few big plays for MOST of the small ones being executed. DA's big plays were not making up for his botched ones.

DA isnt the only one to blame...but completeing less than half your throws? Comon.

losing your composure over every little thing and looking like a beaten puppy?

DA was not benched because hes the sole reason we are losing...he was benched because hes too inconsistent, and left plays on the field...and in this league..when your that way...you throw the whole offense off.

I think the straw that broke the camels back was when Flacco looked like 10x thep layer DA is against us...it opened some eyes...that and how DA melted down after the BE drop...that just cant happen, your the leader, your a freakin NFL QB...you have to have alot more grit than that.

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nd teams might think it simply cheaper to wait for us to cut him in March or April(whenever it is due)




It's due March 15th...FYI...


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