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Angered by the Oakland Raiders' 2-6 start, team owner Al Davis asked his front office staff to explore the possibility of releasing several players, including cornerback DeAngelo Hall, according to multiple sources.

The Raiders are expected to release Hall on Wednesday, sources told ESPN's Michael Smith.



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The process started on Monday, a day after the Raiders' embarrassing 24-0 loss to the Atlanta Falcons. Davis, looking ahead to rest of the season and to 2009, asked his staff to study a list of potential players who could be let go before the end of the week or after the season, sources said.

One source said the list included more than a dozen names. The Raiders' front-office staff studied the cap consequences of releasing high-priced veteran players. He also wanted his staff to see if other teams might claim any of these players on waivers.

The team was planning on making the move to release Hall on Tuesday before holding off, according to NFL.com. The Raiders have paid Hall $8 million for eight games, and also gave Atlanta a second-round pick for his services.

NFL.com reported the move to waive him now helps the Raiders avoid paying Hall $16 million worth of injury-guaranteed bonuses in his contract.

Hall has 48 tackles and three interceptions for the Raiders, including a season-high eight tackles last week against the Falcons.

Hall isn't the only Raider under consideration for release. Wide receiver Javon Walker received an $11 million signing bonus and a $1 million base salary this year, but he has only 13 catches in his first seven games with the Raiders. The other players on Davis' list are unknown.

At his Monday press conference, interim Raiders coach Tom Cable said he was thinking of making more changes in the starting lineup. Since taking over for Lane Kiffin, Cable has benched wide receiver Ronald Curry and safety Michael Huff. If Davis gets his way, some changes might be permanent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3683124


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What a messed up organization... Hopefully they'll get too cluttered and release McFadden, he'd look good in brown.


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this is crazy...


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Just when you think Randy Lerner is the worst owner in the world.

Al Davis and Mike Brown make you feel better.

Works like a charm every time!

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Or what about Asomugha, although I'm not really sure we'd need him for the price he'd be asking for.


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wow...and to think that used to be such a feared franchise...i'd take hall in a heartbeat or mcfadden too..lol or maybe they'll release bush is he still there?


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The Falcons look unreal right now. All those picks for Schaub, all those picks for Hall.

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I wouldn't complain if we signed Hall, but we really don't need him. McDonald and Wright have alot of potential. I like them as our corners.


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Hall = (Braylon x Winslow) x 2.


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He will be scooped off waivers by a contender and won't clear...but either way...I hope that second round pick was worth half of a season...

The Raiders are a JOKE.



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I guess Jerry Jones will jump on Hall.


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wouldn't be surprised...Pac Man and Hall...two model citizens


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This is the third time in the past year I have come to the conclusion the Raiders must have some serious cash problems.

1. The drawn out JaMarcus Russel sigining, until right after the first doling out of TV dollars so they could pay his signing bonus.

2. Firing Kiffin without cause, to void his contract.

3. Now this after just 8 games.

Al Davis' health insurance mustve not paid for his pacemaker.


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While Pac-Man has had a less than stellar season, I saw something in Jones that Hall doesn't really show. Talent and speed. Hall has always had great speed, he has always gotten burned bad and been overrated. Jones looked like he was gonna be great.

I never was interested in Hall, not where he thought he was at least. A guy like Al Harris is a really good cornerback, Hall not only is a jerk but has always been hardcore overrated.

Our CBs make their mistakes, but they hopefully will get better. I don't think that Hall is much better than what we got. And I think our guys will be better than Hall in no time.

Sadly, I sort of wanted Hall during that draft (I think that draft at least), I wanted Roy Williams the most of the players left though. Sean Taylor and Robert Gallery were number one. All in all, Winslow's been better than all except may be Taylor, but that's a sad story in itself (dissapointing too)


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Id love to have Hall's talent but we really dont need another negative in our locker room. This team needs focus.


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Id love to have Hall's talent but we really dont need another negative in our locker room. This team needs focus.





I agree, but one thing baffels me, Where is the veteran leadership on this team?

Somebody needs to step up right now and tell whomever to shut up an play. I dont feel were getting enough leadership as we did in the past. Example we should be able to sign Hall and the veterans should be able to sit him down and say, look this is how we run things around here and your going to do it this way. If not dont sign. I dont see it, I see players waiting for others to do it.

BUT....I'm not in the locker room I could be 100% wrong, I'm not there and maybe it's happening thier just keeping it inside the lockeroom.

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Id love to have Hall's talent but we really dont need another negative in our locker room. This team needs focus.





I agree, but one thing baffels me, Where is the veteran leadership on this team?

Somebody needs to step up right now and tell whomever to shut up an play. I dont feel were getting enough leadership as we did in the past. Example we should be able to sign Hall and the veterans should be able to sit him down and say, look this is how we run things around here and your going to do it this way. If not dont sign. I dont see it, I see players waiting for others to do it.

BUT....I'm not in the locker room I could be 100% wrong, I'm not there and maybe it's happening thier just keeping it inside the lockeroom.




The only one I see stepping up and doing that is Jamal Lewis. I've heard that WillieMac has done some of that too but you're right we need more veterans stepping in and up.


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That is one messed up organization... Kiffin should be glad to be outta there....


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While Mac has had his day and deserves the respect and adoration befitting a veteran of such status, his ability to perform has dwindled to the point of lost effectiveness as a leader. Say what you want, but in this league performance is as much a percieved measure of leadership ability as anything. All performers are not leaders, but in the NFL you have got to perform to be given the privilege of being seen as a leader. Willie barely meets the criteria of being able to stay on the field. I do not question his leadership,....but I'll bet there are players who privately do based on the performance quotient. He would be a most welcome addition to the LB coaching spot. He is not helping us get to the playoffs.

As for Hall, I would keep McGinest on the field to keep that guy out of my locker room. I.E. he's a performer with no leadership skills.

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Why would Al Davis then talk JaVon Walker out of voiding his ridiculous contract?


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I'm waiting for Rich Gannon to come out and talk about how dysfunctional the whole Raiders organization is since he used to play there... Oh that's right, he won't. He doesn't have a big axe to grind with them...


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Man what a dysfunctional organization.

Glad I'm not a Raiders fan!


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LOL....Detroit lions fans are saying the same thing.....Think about that one

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Wow. Lion fans and Bengal fans can actually pity someone.

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what is scarey is that there is one win diffrence in Oaklands record & ours.

yes the direction is diffrent but the results are simular.

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what is scarey is that there is one win diffrence in Oaklands record & ours.

yes the direction is diffrent but the results are simular.



They should be similar.. our QBs stats are almost identical.


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talent, temper, immature.

this is the kind of player that could do great in a place that has continuity and strong leadership on the field. there are a number of teams that will be interested.

he wouldn't fit in here because we have zero on field and locker room leaders to keep a guy like that in line.

he will be worth another shot somewhere. the places hall has been have been ovewhelmed with problems. i wouldn't be surprised to see him turn it around and be a great pickup for an established squad.


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Wow.
The raiders are a complete disastor
Patriots or cowboys will try to sign him.

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If I was on that team I would try to gather everyone up to go on strike until Davis either sels the team or keeps his nose out of it. And if I got caught big deal what is he gonna do release me? I would be even happier.

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wow...and to think that used to be such a feared franchise...i'd take hall in a heartbeat or mcfadden too..lol or maybe they'll release bush is he still there?




Do the Browns play their CB more in zone or man?

If you guys play more of a man to man at CB, than no you do not want Hall unless it is an incentive based contract. He is a really good zone CB and thats how Atlanta used him when he was there. But he lacks the techniques to play man to man. Now he can learn, and thats exactly what he was doing in Oakland, but they gave up on him way too early.

Here is a little info on him this season...

From http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-raiders-h all&prov=ap&type=lgns :

"With most teams choosing to avoid throwing at standout cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha on the other side of the field, Hall became a frequent target. In his last game, he was beaten for a 37-yard touchdown pass to Michael Jenkins on the opening drive of a 24-0 loss to his former Falcons team.

In his eight games in Oakland, Hall was beaten 40 times for 552 yards on 66 passes thrown his way, according to data compiled by STATS LLC. He gave up more yards than any defender this season and was tied for third worst in catches allowed."

40 out of 66 times he has been beat??!!!!! That is 60% of the time. Also, he can't control his temper and often gets flagged for personal fouls. See the Panthers game last year and the Denver game this year.

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Jog my memory... the Raiders handed over a second round pick and then coughed up 70 mill over 7 years for him right? Wow... anyone got any idea how much that's going to jack their cap up?

It's official: TIME TO SELL AL! He's losing his mind if he hasn't gone sweetly bonkers already... makes me wonder what he's doing of if he knows what he's doing.

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Not as though this should surprise anyone:

www.KFFL.com

NFL | Hall clears waivers
Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:49:28 -0800

ESPNews reports former Oakland Raiders CB DeAngelo Hall has cleared waivers.


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Per Adam Schefter :

Hall is expected to sign a contract in the next 24-48 hours. It's down to 4 teams:

1 NY Giants
2 Washington Redskins
3 Pittsburgh Steelers
4 New England Patriots



and I see on PFT that they also have it down to 4 with the Giants out...and the Saints in.



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Jog my memory... the Raiders handed over a second round pick and then coughed up 70 mill over 7 years for him right? Wow... anyone got any idea how much that's going to jack their cap up?

It's official: TIME TO SELL AL! He's losing his mind if he hasn't gone sweetly bonkers already... makes me wonder what he's doing of if he knows what he's doing.





Not all of that will hit their cap, and the base value of the overall contract was actually under $67 million. Only $24.5 Million was guaranteed... so they are only on the hook for half of the remainder of that this year and the other half of what remains of that next year. So, part of that $24.5 was already being accounted for this year (if it was the full 24.5 prorated over 7 years, then $3.5M was already accounted for this season leaving $21M unaccounted for.... so $10.5M accellerates onto this year and another $10.5 hits next year.

This is all ASSUMING that the full $24.5 million that is described as "guaranteed" has already been paid and doesn't include that $16M in guarantees in case he is injured. If the 24.5 includes that number, then in reality, his signing bonus was only $8.5 total and things are suddenly a LOT more affordable.

Noone but the Raiders and the league know the real numbers, but that's my best guess.


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I hope we don't go after Hall. It's too late in the season. We are done and barring a miracle (we win 6 of our our remaining games) and some luck (other teams lose), we are out of the playoffs. It would be just a waste of money unnecessarily.

This was supposed to be the year for us. Now the NFL and other sport channels can go back to making fun of us.

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After the abortion I saw our D play last night, bring him in.

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I reluctantly agree only because we are now Officially in the planning for Next Year stage and between EWright, BMac, Daven Holly and Hall... we're bound to be able to field two starting CB and still actually have a Nickle DB that is worth a damn.... next year.


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We cant afford him at this stage, he was making $ 10 mil a year, he might have to settle for less but to him it isnt where he goes or what the team situation is it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Lets leave him alone,

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No, he wasn't really making $10 million a year. Had we claimed him on waivers, do you know what it would have cost us? Only the remaining portion of his salary for this season which would have been a whopping total of roughly $500,000. That's it.

Like most contracts, that $66 million (or $70 million if you want to go with the escalators) was smoke-n-mirrors. There was a lot of up front cash and then lots of roster bonuses and one fat chunk of guaranteed money in the event of injury.


Either way, that contract is gone and he is a free agent and teams now have half a season's worth of film to pigeon-hole him and his agent in negotiations as him sucking in man-coverage... he's still gonna get paid, but he isn't gonna get paid like he did.

I could easily see him not signing with anyone though and just waiting until March when all teams get a fresh, new wallet to spend with. If he does sign with someone this season, I would be shocked if it was for more than the remainder of this season.


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