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What a BS article
Ain't that the truth...
He just happens to be one of the 1st to rag on it...
The Browns did the right thing...Even if I myself woulda liked the pick for Anderson during the spring...
Oh well...At least Al Davis is doing a thing or two to keep some of the attention off us...lmao...
The only thing this cost us was 7M bucks outta Lerner's accounts...
The beauty of it is Quinn gets a half year to get primed for 2009... 
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hindsight is golden...yeah of course I was in heaven thinking we would get a First n Third for DA...after all I only had the games to go by. But these guys...Savage n Coaching staff had practices where DA was amazing and showed so much promise that we HAD TO BE SURE...again we didn't have the practices to sway us.
Norv Turner did and was in awe of DA...we only had the real game and the only thing this writer got spot on was DA's performance under pressure. Once again shown in the Pro-Bowl.
But you cannot go back in time. I'd rather be cautious than Stupid and sorry.
What can you do. Hopefully we will get something for DA or renogiate his contract as our Back up...I'd love for him to stay as our backup! But not at that price.
Which will make it also hard to trade DA...unless he is able to renegotiate his contract to a long term one for the new team. Maybe Dilfer will get a job as QB coach or OC somewhere...lol 
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I think Overtoad is derek anderson. 
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I can spell "C-O-W" which proves I'm not Derek Anderson
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I can spell "C-O-W" which proves I'm not Derek Anderson
Derek,
the target word was C-A-T
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2. Not nearly enough sprint outs, bootlegs and other ways to get Quinn on the move. I don't know if people who've only followed Quinn since he got to Cleveland know this but the kids is an elite NFL athlete. He can really move. Not like Steve Young or Michael Vick but the kid can really run. Combine that with his size at 235lbs and the guy is dangerous.
Would have loved a run option sprint out on 3rd or 4th down on that final drive. Quinn...rolling out...can take on a LBer for a yard or two. He's as fast as most NFL LBers and almost the same size.
in any of these types of posts, i feel like i need to put a disclaimer that i'm not a quinn hater and i fully support the guy as our new starter. i think he's a good prospect and hope he succeeds. that said...
i'm so surprised that i read this post and no one questioned this. heldawg, what makes quinn an "elite athlete"? what makes you think that he's even as fast as most nfl linebackers? most backers are timed in the 4.5s to 4.6s range. kam wimbley was a 4.6 at the combine.
every where i've read, his 40 time is at the 4.73-4.75 range, same as jay cutler. i also remember seeing a side by side between the two (maybe on tv, i don't remember) where his cones and other drill performances were the exact same as cutler, and cutler isn't known as an "elite athlete." quinn is nimble and certainly mobile IN THE POCKET but don't try to sell a toyota as a bmw.
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Pathetic article.
With all of this talk about getting a 1st and 3rd for DA, did Savage REALLY reject such an offer? I'm not convinced DA had such a strong market for his services. Besides, as I hear many folks say they wanted to sell DA "high", don't you think the other GMs had that opinion too? C'mon, the GMs have game films and scouting staffs pouring over every detail - if many here are saying that DA wasn't worth the 3 year deal Phil offered (with far less comparable insight), then many have a very dim view of the intelligence in most of the front offices in the NFL.
I guess there were rumors of the Dolphins, but was Parcells really born the day he became GM in Miami?
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Here is the deal as I see it!
The goal from the time we drafted BQ was to end up with a Franchise QB. Thats the beginning and the end of it, a Franchise QB. That BTW is the hardest of all things to find.
I will never regret or look back on the moves made by PS to try to make that happen with regret. It could come to pass that niether QB currently on our roster is a franchise guy. The risk was that niether would be, and that still could come to pass. But I absolutely support and applaud the attempt PS made in his quest to insure that thats how we would end the day.
The real question is how many draft picks would you give up to land a franchise QB? If it's more then a 1st and 2nd I fail to see how we can come away a loser. And oh BTW the gamble was made in the form of a 1 and a 2. The jury is still out. I do however like our chances better now then I would have earlier on, I think the time spent riding the pine has been a help to BQ. Time will tell if thats true or not!!
Oh and BTW the writer is an idiot. IMHO
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Pathetic article.
With all of this talk about getting a 1st and 3rd for DA, did Savage REALLY reject such an offer? I'm not convinced DA had such a strong market for his services. Besides, as I hear many folks say they wanted to sell DA "high", don't you think the other GMs had that opinion too? C'mon, the GMs have game films and scouting staffs pouring over every detail - if many here are saying that DA wasn't worth the 3 year deal Phil offered (with far less comparable insight), then many have a very dim view of the intelligence in most of the front offices in the NFL.
I guess there were rumors of the Dolphins, but was Parcells really born the day he became GM in Miami?
One must not forget the passion of a FAN...
Anderson's FATE in many FANS eyes was crippled with the Cincy loss that cost us a playoff spot...That type of performance STINGS in a fans eyes...I know I WAS HIGHLY PO'd for 2 weeks and then some...
Front Office people can overlook that type of thing...Get a big picture...The BEST thing that's happened concerning Anderson this year is his performance against the Giants...ALL HOPE IS NOT LOST...There WILL BE several teams that still see a strong armed QB that can make big plays...Even if they have to live with the periodic stupidity...THAT will net us a draft pick...How high???...That's predicated on how many teams are interested...
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The fact that a lot of NFL people think he got benched unfairly cements it that a few teams will look to aquire him..
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So, maybe the judgment of more rational minds are not affected by the heartbreak? That's possible. But the disappointment many feel after missing the playoffs last season should not be replaced by fairy tales that the market for DA was hot during the off-season. There is a reason he did not sign a big money contract with the Browns.
Besides, this writer should not be clouded by disappointment - instead, he is clouded by a bias to trash a team that is down.
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IF we decide to get rid of him ... and thats still a BIG IF ..... there wil be market value for him ... question is .. WHAT WILL THAT BE .... I said it last year when I thought it may happen last off season ... HE HAS VALUE TO US .... so what we have to set his value to us and have a point of .. we will NOT TAKE LESS THAN THAT for him ... IF we decide to move on that direction ...
the one diff is he is now under a hefty contract # to us for next year .. that will drive down how much he is worth to us ...
Everyone is all ready sold on the idea he will be traded .. THIS IS NOT AS MUCH OF A FOREGONE CONCLUSION as everyone is making it out to be ... it may happen ... BUT ....
BACK UP QB'S ARE VALUABLE IN THIS LEAGUE ... do not under estimate that ...
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I'm not underestimating it..it depends on a few things.. we lack several picks in this upcoming draft..that may weigh on Phils mind in the offeseason especially if he can't find any other way to aquire a third rounder..
Or he may deem it important to keep DA..
Right now I don't see both QB's being on this roster come next season.
Thats a feeling not anything concrete I' ve seen or heard.
Value is another thing..I don't know what teams would part with now..definately no first/second..but a third rounder might do..or a combo of low picks.
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It all depends on Anderson. Getting benched might be more than he can bear. He gave the team his best shot and the team should let him move on if that's his wish. Of course we should get maximum value for him if he leaves. We need us some linebackers and Anderson is some of the best trade bait we've had in a long time.
I don't see it happening, but I would really like to see him stay on as the Browns #2. We could do much much worse than having Quinn, Anderson, and Dorsey as long as that's where they want to be. I'm not entirely sold on Quinn yet but the idea is growing on me.
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"i feel like i need to put a disclaimer that i'm not a quinn hater and i fully support the guy as our new starter. i think he's a good prospect and hope he succeeds. that said."
Spoken like a true DA backer...lol and yet here you are feeling its your Moral Imperitive to set us straight.... 
But he is an Athlete and it shows in his game. Not garbage like well DA was an all state basketball player so he must be an elite athlete. For a football player BQ is very athletic. Cutler is not a bad athlete...but mobility compared with BQ there is a big difference. Oh sure I betcha can make some comparison of running a straight line with shorts on. But put the pads on, put in cutting ability and change of direction in the equation and BQ looks oh so...dare I say Elwayish in his athletic ability. Why argue that virtue??? Athletic Ability? Its most definitely there and a big time difference than the ONE Dimensional DA we had in there.
Ask any defense and they would tell ya in a nano second which QB they would want in there.
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Oh sure I betcha can make some comparison of running a straight line with shorts on. But put the pads on, put in cutting ability and change of direction in the equation and BQ looks oh so...dare I say Elwayish in his athletic ability.
Please.
Who was that kid that played QB for Rutgers that the Lions had a few years ago? The one that it was rumored we might be looking at? The amazing athlete that lacked accuracy and had middling arm-strength?
Quinn needs to prove that the questions about his accuracy and arm strength on intermediate and deep patters are unjustified in order for his athletic ability to mean anything to us. Without being a pure-passer, those athletic abilities are meaningless.
That's why Quinn fell in the draft, and remain the big question about his viability as our QB.
Now before the Quinnies get all up in arms, I'm not passing judgement. Those are fair questions.
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That's why Quinn fell in the draft,
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If u get all your info from draftniks as opposed to ACTUALLY WATCHING HIM .. then U have those questions .... Me .. I believe MY EYES .. he does not have accuracy issues .. PERIOD ... and u will see ...
funny part is ... MOST PUNDITS HAD NO QUESTION ABOUT HIS ACCURACY ... a few did .. so guys like U jump on that band wagon .... well like i said .. YOU'LL SEE ... as will they ...
A guy with a pretty good backround with QB's said he will be a VERY GOOD NFL QB ... this guy saw him every single day and worked with him on a daily basis ... yet U wanna jump on board with 2 or 3 pundits cause ESPN and the NFL Network ran a segment on how innacurrate he was ... be my guest .. hitch your wagon to Adam Shefller or what ever his wanna be name is ..
i am so happy it is finally time to see so the two or three moron pundits can eat crow as well as U for believing them ...
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Did DA hold the clipboard properly or did he hold it a bit low ??
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Adam Shefller or what ever his wanna be name is ..
You're thinking of Adam Sphincter.
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that a FLAT OUT LIE ....
THAT'S FLAT OUT DENIAL ....
SEE... I CAN YELL TOO 
I don't want to watch you cry, so turn your head. This is from Scouts Inc:
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Comment: While unproven at the NFL level, Quinn has all the physical tools you look for in a franchise quarterback. He has good height and an excellent, strong build that he can use to fend off would-be tacklers. He is built to take a pounding and shouldn't have a lot of problems handling the rigors of the position at this level. He was extremely durable as a four-year starter in college and is a tough player overall. Quinn is a more-than-adequate athlete who can makes plays with the ball in his hands or buy time in the pocket by avoiding the rush. He has a big enough arm to make just about any throw asked of him and is also an intelligent, hardworking young man with natural leadership traits. He doesn't have to set his feet to generate good RPMs on the ball. He gets rid of the ball quickly with a short, compact delivery. He sees the field well for someone his age and shows good pocket presence with a strong understanding of what a defense is looking to accomplish. His accuracy is troublesome though. Quinn makes his receivers work too hard to adjust to the ball at times and will simply miss open targets on throws that he should clearly make. Those lapses need to be corrected. He is more accurate with his short throws than going downfield. He can also be streaky with his throwing. When he is on, he is very dangerous, but when he is off, he can cost his team. He is confident in his abilities though and can be quick to get out of a funk. Do not be surprised if he becomes entrenched as the Browns' starting quarterback as soon as midway through the 2008 season. He has a bright future.
Shall I continue? Because I can, and if you're going to try to (wrongfully) paint me a liar, I can (rightfully) paint you foolish.
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How about most
Which is why.........ready...........ready.............wait for it................WHY HE FELL IN THE DRAFT. Quote:
A guy with a pretty good backround with QB's said he will be a VERY GOOD NFL QB ... this guy saw him every single day and worked with him on a daily basis ...
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yet U wanna jump on board with 2 or 3 pundits cause ESPN and the NFL Network ran a segment on how innacurrate he was ...
Gee, it's not like those are "garagefootballdraftweekend.com" sites  However, I didn't actually see those airings, but thanks for making my point. 
I think he stands a pretty solid chance of being a good NFL QB, but I've seen him have enough iffy throws to force me to take a wait-and-see approach.
But hey, get bent out of shape if you want to. He's your boy, afterall *L*
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Yea, he must be terribly inaccurate and he only throws the dink and dunk stuff... look at these two stat lines and tell me what they are...
581 for 917 (63.3%), 7345 yards, 8.0 ypa, 69 TDs, 14 INTs
530 for 857 (61.8%), 7106 yards, 8.3 ypa, 57 TDs, 23 INTs
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Oh, now suddenly I'm making him out to be "terribly innacurate"  Poor effort, DC. And feel free to answer your own question, since you're clearly chomping at the bit to make a point.
Besides, all the scouting groups clearly didn't see his career numbers, the films, or any of his games.
Bottom line: Neither you, Diam, nor anyone else has to like it, but Quinn has legitimate questions about accuracy. Point to all the stats you like. You can trust the scouts looked at all that as well. During the games I personally watched, he looked good, but had lapses where he'd throw passes that were clearly off the mark when they should have been spot-on. He fell in the draft because of those questions, and those questions remain today. Until they are answered, we won't know if Quinn is the man or not.
Now you and Diam can try and SPIN that to mean anything you want. It won't change the reality of the situation.
Jesus, you'd have thought I called him a bum with how strongly y'all got up in arms.
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looking again at that dallas/miami rumor, i can't help but wonder if savage will try to package DA with a 2nd or 3rd to get another #1.
what are the QB draft prospects like? i'm not hearing about a lot of blue chip type of guys. this could be the perfect time to deal derek.
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Yes Toad, you can continue to find snipets that promote your agenda. Just as I can find snipets to contradict them. Neither mean anything. So you just keep going on. I'll wait for BQ to make a fool out of you. And it won't take very long. This limb you're climbing out on isn't strong enough to support your weight. Good luck with that.................
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Another meaningless post based on nothing but testosterone, thinking someone is saying one thing, while saying nothing close to it. And why? Because of the most basic lack of comprehension.
*shrug*
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*shrug* Exactly.......*shrug* VERY few people had or have questions about Quinn's accuracy. You happenned to find a piece that did. Are you trying to say I can't find snipets to contradict that? Of course you're not. Because that would be addressing my point. And you know that I can. Both are meaningless. As I said, VERY few are concerned with Quinn's overall accuracy. You happen to be in that group. My point is, I'll let his play speak for itself. That's your definition of testosterone? GMAFB. Like I said, I can find snipets to offset your snipets. FAR more saying Quinn is accurate and ready for the NFL. So why do you insist in reaching big time to promote your "concern"? Testosterone maybe?  BTW- Since your return to the board? I wouldn't be casting stones about meaningless posts. Maybe the poster who said a woman had a negative effect on you was on to something! 
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Hehehe.....
Don't get mad because you don't have the ability to understand what I said, despite the fact I was very clear and straightforward with it. You got ALLLL offended that I mirrored a long-standing legitimate question about the golden boy, and suddenly, you can't take it when I called that steaming pile of a post exactly what it was.
See, Pit, the difference between REALITY..........which is where I live, and FANTASY LAND which is where you live........is that I can objectively question something without calling it a YEA or a NAH. In the case of Quinn, there are legit questions about his accuracy. You don't have to like it (which you CLEARLY don't ) but that doesn't change REALITY. Of course in FANTASY LAND ESPN's scouting department is meaningless because you can point to something that says Quinn doesn't have questions about his accuracy.
By the way, feel free to refute it. That won't mean anything, since something is only 100% refutable if there's no question about it whatsoever. Of course you're going to be HARD-pressed to find something as credible as ESPN that says Quinn's accuracy is exemplary, and even if you did, there are plenty that do question it.
And that's the problem.
The most humorous part of all this is the fact that you don't have a clue about how I feel about Quinn  Of course that's what's led to this in the first place.
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Really............Seems that's hardly what your doing here. Be the big man and let his play do the talking.
Let's see if you meant what you said
Don't get bent out of shape when you get all puffy with someone when it's uncalled for, then get it thrown back in your face. And if you still don't get how I feel about quinn, spend the time you'd waste peckin' at your keyboard and instead use it to go read what I typed. I can be a big man and accept your apology
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THAT'S FLAT OUT DENIAL ....
SEE... I CAN YELL TOO
Yes U can .. good for U ..I knew u had it in U ... 
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Hmmmmm .... I believe I said a few pundints that included the NFL network and ESPN .. well guess what ....
SCOUT INC. = ESPN ..... good job .. u used one of the places I said did it to prove MOST DID IT ...
PS. many of the EXPERTS in ESPN said they disagreed with those within ESPN (Merril "concussion" Hoge and Scout) that said he was innacurrate ...
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I do not need to paint U foolish .. U DID IT ALL BY YOURSELF .... U use one of the sources I said made that crap up about him to prove MOST PUNDITS said it .. that would really leave me nuttin to do in that category other than to ask U when your done with the brush to please clean it before or after your done with your bath to get all the paint off ..
Dude ... go ahead and do all the web searches U want .. I am not going to spend the time to make an ass out of U LIKE HELD DID YESTERDAY on the Shaffer contract issue .. (BTW .. way to give someone with no legs to stand on a few legs ... he was CRUSHED without getting into contract #'s .. but U took the wrong fork JUST LIKE YOUR DOING NOW .... Good Job Bro ... and I know he kicked your ass because U have not responded to him .. ) ..
U can dig up all the quotes u want ... it was a few pundits ... and u know it ... no matter how many times u say it or it does not make it true ...
and the reason why your a LIAR is because U know damm well why he fell ... a fall I AND U WILL BOTH BE GRATEFUL FOR ... it'll just take one of us us longer to get there ...
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I know why he fell..........
......He shouldn't have allowed that picture to be taken
I would hardly call ESPN and Scouts Inc. "just a pundit" hehe. We both know they aren't the only one.
There's no shame in admitting there's questions, but by denying they don't exist, it looks suspect. I'm all for Quinn proving those questions wrong, which is different than proving me wrong, since all I did was acknowledge the question. Had I said "He's not accurate enough" then I'd be open to fair shots.
Big difference.
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Ok, Pit. You lasted longer than I thought you could. Gag challenge is lifted. Good job.
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Anyon else find it horribly amusing that a Overtoad is questioning BQ's accuracy? DA is 54.7% as a pro, and completed 60% or more in only 9 of his 28 games as a Brown . . .
Want to talk about accuracy, I know why Winslow is so happy to have BQ as his QB. He is tired of being thrown to high over the middle, hung out to dry to get blasted by LBs and Safeties. Anyone else notice most of BQ's throws over the middle were around belly high where a reciever can get down if they need too? Protecting your Recievers = Accuracy, my brother.
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U know damm well why he fell ... a fall I AND U WILL BOTH BE GRATEFUL FOR ... it'll just take one of us us longer to get there ...
LOL...I'm with u on the high end of counting on being grateful he fell...Still can't get over the luck of a 1-2 punch of Thomas & Quinn...What more could one possibly ask for on any draft day...
There was concerns of "Accuracy" from the pundits...But we take these things lightly for one reason...Every single pundit will FIND one negative on every single player draft eligible...Happens all the time...They gotta find SOMETHING to bitch about...lol...I guess they think it makes things more interesting...
There WAS a reason he fell to 22...And woulda fell further with no trades involved...And NONE OF IT had anything to do with ACCURACY ISSUES...THANK YOU MIAMI DOLPHINS...And THANK YOU for waiting a year before getting the "Tuna" into that Front Office...Cause HE wouldn't of passed on a potential FRANCHISE QB at 9...
Accuracy Issues???...LMAO...
Dink & Dunker???...LMAO MORE...
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"Please. "
No, don't pull the condescending PLEASE statement on me.
The Elway reference btw...made by several analysts and reporters. Me I thought he looked like Elway - facially through the face mask. As in wow he reminds me of Elway (as in how in looked) and thought it was funny that the announcer...Collingsworth or the other guy was stating how Quinn reminded him of Elway to a degree.
Quinn needs to play football...and not answer to you...lol
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I suppose it was inevitable that someone had to attempt to play the woeful Anderson-card
That's a dead story now, and this is about Quinn. Nice try though.
Eo, as long as the comparisons stop at Elway (which is just........nevermind  ) it'll be ok. There's potential for Quinn to be a good QB, but comparisons to hall of famers........blecht.
I will say I'm shocked at how you guys are turning a blind-eye to this. *shrug* I just hope you're right. Does that mean I think he's not accurate? Nah, it means I see it as a question he needs to answer.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Don't play Peenie or Held and put words in my mouth ... I never said there weren't any questions about his accuracy from a FEW PUNDITS ... I did say U were LYING about why he fell .... thats TWO SEPERATE ISSUES ... will not re-hash WHY HE FELL ... as U know full well why he fell and accuracy had ZERO TO DO WITH IT ... to quote U .. BIG DIFFERENCE ... Personally I have no clue where the accuraccy CRAP comes from .. I watched every single game this kid played over 4 years ... and the first time I heard it or read it ..... I did a ten take and my head literally spun around ... *L* ... I had no clue where that came from .. NONE ... and i stil don't ... U want to agree with the pundits .. GO AHEAD ... me .. I'll believe my eyes and what I saw over 4 years ....
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I will say I'm shocked at how you guys are turning a blind-eye to this. *shrug*
U see .. thats the thing .. i am not turning a blind eye to it .. i watched him for 4 years .... and the pundits U believe (if u didnlt believe them ... u would nt need the question answered .. *L*) are trying to tell me that something I saw for 4 years was not true .. that my eyes decieved me ...
even in his first two years when he threw at about 50% and threw more pics than TD's .. U could see he was a very accurate QB .... it was evident even then ...
I said this a million times pre-draft .. U ALL JUST DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFO ON HIM and as time goes on and he plays .. U WILL ... for now .. trust your pundits ... cause its all u have ... seeing as U believe them over me ...
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The article is complete garbage. As so many others said...
If the Browns had traded Anderson and were 3-6 with Quinn as the starter there would be a mutiny.
If the Browns had traded Quinn and were 3-6 with Anderson as the starter there would be a mutiny.
The bottomline is that the Browns were supposed to be a conteder this season and they are not.
I hated how much the Browns gave up to get Quinn. I hated that the Browns pulled off the Shawn Rogers trade because it seemed like the organization was giving up too much.
If anyone is surprised how this season is unfolding, the rose colored glasses are on too tight.
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toad, how do you measure inaccuracy? I mean aside from what you just see and "feel"? Like the scout saying he makes his receivers work too hard to catch the ball.... As I see it, there are 2 ways to measure inaccuracy, completion percentage and INTs because those are the two outcomes that will plague an inaccurate passer... Over his final 2 years of college, Quinn had a better completion percentage, more TDs and fewer INTs than did Peyton Manning at UT... and his ypa was within a yard so it's not like Manning was throwing all deep balls and Quinn was dinking and dunking (a term I'm growing to hate)... So I'm not saying he is or isn't accurate, I'm just wondering where the scouts come up with this opinion....
By the way, yes those are the 2 stat lines above, one is Quinns jr/sr year at ND, the other is Mannings jr/sr year at UT... Quinns is better almost across the board... so what is it that the scouts see that is not reflected in the stats?
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Quinn needs to prove that the questions about his accuracy and arm strength on intermediate and deep patters are unjustified in order for his athletic ability to mean anything to us. Without being a pure-passer, those athletic abilities are meaningless.
That's why Quinn fell in the draft, and remain the big question about his viability as our QB.
Why cant you look at Quinn the same way you did DA? You went on and on last monday...about how the organization feels about DA. Point blank...you were wrong about the Organization and about DA..so now your gonna throw a fit over Quinn?
His accuracy?
He was accurate MOST of the time Thursday..of ocurse NOT EVERY throw was...but MOST WERE. Whereas your boy DA was NOT accuract MOST of the time.
I'm not saying that Quinn is lock probowl QB...but he has 10x upside DA had...and yet you talk about the guy like hes a long shot...10 days ago you were sticking up for a QB that had 3 years to show some improvement and didnt.
You even brought up the "deep ball" thing....
Why the double standard? By using your double standard your making statements that you know are not true..
It would be easier if you just used a shovel!
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Besides, we still don't know how this thing will play out.
Quinn showed some good qualities, but he didn't throw a pass longer than 10 official yards against the 2nd worst defense in the league (yeah, guess who's first  ). Accuracy on 10-yard throws is something even Dorsey could do.
I liked what I saw in Quinn, but a writer passing final judgement now? Rediculous.
Besides, everyone knows Florio has Black and gold undies on.......
If accuracy on ten yard throws is "something even Dorsey could do" then pray tell why does Anderson have so much trouble with it? What is this fascination with heaving the ball 50 yrds down field? Montana wasn't a rocket armed gunslinger and he had a pretty good run.I'll take smart and accurate any day my friend. ANY day.
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