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Excellant,now you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that RAC was a good DC.
Now,maybe you can search that internet and find out why our D sucks,still.
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in cleveland we don't have a great defense because either tucker is not a good coordinator, or he doen't have the personel to do what he wants to.... either way, rac is letting him do his job....
I think Mel may have been pushed upward too quickly..he's a solid DB coach..but DC?
The other fact..we don't have the linbacking core to make this D work the way it should.
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I think Mel may have been pushed upward too quickly..he's a solid DB coach..but DC?
For me, it remains to be seen. People do have the ability to learn and improve. The only thing that will tell us about Mel Tucker is time.
You could be right- he may have been called up to The Bigs too early. How he responds will tell us. As I see it, it's just too early to know either way.
I can remeber a bunch of Dawgs yapping bout how much they loved Grantham, even though his D's produced about as well as Tucker's is now. Only diff that I can see: The Great Pumpkin spent lots of his game time running on the sidelines between the 30's. Other than that, we still suck where we've always sucked.
If Phil does what he always does during the offseason, he'll be giving Tucker more tools to work with. That should make scheming a bit easier... and playcalling will show us the rest of what we need to know.
Could he be a young Romeo?
Could he be a Defense-oriented Maurice Carthon?
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I am very seldom critical of the coaching, but the last TD by the Broncos was a horrible defensive call.
On the previous play (prior to the TD) McDonald was burned badly on the fade. Fortunately it was a poorly thrown ball and to be honest BM got away with interference. Sow what did Tucker call?? Help for McDonald??? Maybe a switch to a bigger CB or safety??? Nope he calls the exact same man coverage on the guy and he easily out jumps BM. Everybody watching that game, at the game, or playing in the game knew that the Donks were coming right back to that same play.......why wouldn't they when it was obvious from the 1st pass that BM had no real shot of defending it. Tucker was either the only person in the building who didn't see the play coming, or he just made a horrible call to put BM back in man coverage on that guy. Either way it was poor coaching.. No matter how hard BM "tries" on the following play he's not going to grow 6 inches and be able to out jump a 6-6 WR.
I am a firm believer that most coaches look good or bad based on the talent they have to work with,however they are still supposed to put their players in the best position to succeed. Please tell me how Mel put McDonald (or the D in general for that matter) in a position to succeed on that play???
I will be the first to say I don't think he's a very good DC right now. He might grow into the roll with more experience, but right now he isn't very good imo, and is in fact over his head. Hopefully he will indeed "grow" into the roll with time and experience.
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I am very seldom critical of the coaching, but the last TD by the Broncos was a horrible defensive call.
On the previous play (prior to the TD) McDonald was burned badly on the fade. Fortunately it was a poorly thrown ball and to be honest BM got away with interference. Sow what did Tucker call?? Help for McDonald??? Maybe a switch to a bigger CB or safety??? Nope he calls the exact same man coverage on the guy and he easily out jumps BM. Everybody watching that game, at the game, or playing in the game knew that the Donks were coming right back to that same play.......why wouldn't they when it was obvious from the 1st pass that BM had no real shot of defending it. Tucker was either the only person in the building who didn't see the play coming, or he just made a horrible call to put BM back in man coverage on that guy. Either way it was poor coaching.. No matter how hard BM "tries" on the following play he's not going to grow 6 inches and be able to out jump a 6-6 WR.
I am a firm believer that most coaches look good or bad based on the talent they have to work with,however they are still supposed to put their players in the best position to succeed. Please tell me how Mel put McDonald (or the D in general for that matter) in a position to succeed on that play???
I will be the first to say I don't think he's a very good DC right now. He might grow into the roll with more experience, but right now he isn't very good imo, and is in fact over his head. Hopefully he will indeed "grow" into the roll with time and experience.
My stink with that play was the clear holding on I think Wimbley. How could the refs miss that, he was turned almost completely around. I still believe they would scored but at 2 and 20 it would have been a little harder!
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I am a firm believer that most coaches look good or bad based on the talent they have to work with,however they are still supposed to put their players in the best position to succeed. Please tell me how Mel put McDonald (or the D in general for that matter) in a position to succeed on that play???
This is where I stand ..and it shows something is wrong.
It wasn't hard to see the Broncs were isolating him but Tucker did not make the adjustment..there's where if I'm the HC I have to step in and not let this mismatch continue to be exposed...they could have easily brought in another DB or changed the scheme..something to make the Donks have to go away from that .
I couldn't understand why they were continuing to let McDonald get grilled and flipped and put on a sesame seed bun like that..
We know Tucker is inexperienced..even Rac knows it..but he's got to help the guy out , not let him bumble situations like that.
It is putting your players in the best situation even if they don't possess a ton of talent..
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I agree...that is what a head coach is supposed to do.....ours doesn't.
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I didn't have a problem with them keeping McDonald in the game.... My problem was Tucker not putting another guy on Marshall. You have to double team him, or atleast put a safety on top to help w/ coverage.
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Yeah, I agree. There was no excuse for not rolling additional coverage over towards Marshall. The back-shoulder fade ALMOST worked the play before the TD and the second try at it was a gimme... McDonald didn't have a chance. That's certainly not putting your players in the best position to win. 
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I have sat back and listened to your rants just about long enough. It is NOT the HCs job, it's the DCs job. Tucker didn't make an adjustment that you and Attack think he should have made. That falls on the COORDINATOR, not the head coach. Before long, you will be blaming RAC for the ecomony crash. You try to pin any and everything on him whether it's his mistake or not. It's getting really, old, Peen to get on here and see you insult someone that has more football knowledge than the entire board combined and reach further than Stretch Armstrong to try to find a way to blame RAC for everything while reaching ot the same degree to praise anyone BUT him for anything positive. We get it. You think RAC's the Anti-Christ.
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Whoa there nelly. Don't know if you know this or not but Harry Truman said it best. The buck stops here. He had this sign on his desk in the oval office. Ultimately everything that happens on game day is the product of RAC. If the coordinator isn't making proper adjustments it's the HC responsibility to either make corrections or make a coordinator change. I'm pretty sure that's what peen is talking about. And here's the sign for your benny. 
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So, how do you know that corrections aren't being made? Have you or Peen been in the coaches meetings? Or do you think he should fire Tucker and not have a DC until the end of the year?
It's pretty simple. You trust your coaches. We are not that far off. We are a couple LBs away from being a serious playoff contender. Why would anyone be surprised that McDonald had a bad game? He is still learning. He is going to struggle. So is Wright. So is Tucker, for that matter.
The bottom line is that Peen has tried every conceivable way to blame RAC for anything negative while praising others for anything positive. Look at his posts. His posts are to blame RAC or to insult and incte. RAC is FAR from a goof, idiot, or any other slam Peen has come up with. You don't coach in the NFL all those years and not know the game. That doesn't mean that he will be the coach next year, or that he can even be successful as a NFL head coach. But posting such absurd statements is getting old.
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Wup..hold on Coach..  Tucker is the DC..THATS WHO SHOULD have made the adjustment..I said Rac shouldn't sit back and watch the mess continue since it was obvious Tucker wasn't going to do anything....he needed to help the guy out because he stumbled in this case , among other instances..
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I have sat back and listened to your rants just about long enough. It is NOT the HCs job, it's the DCs job. Tucker didn't make an adjustment that you and Attack think he should have made. That falls on the COORDINATOR, not the head coach. Before long, you will be blaming RAC for the ecomony crash. You try to pin any and everything on him whether it's his mistake or not. It's getting really, old, Peen to get on here and see you insult someone that has more football knowledge than the entire board combined and reach further than Stretch Armstrong to try to find a way to blame RAC for everything while reaching ot the same degree to praise anyone BUT him for anything positive. We get it. You think RAC's the Anti-Christ.
LOL.....talk about a rant... 
Here is a clue...the talk will continue, so you have a choice...read, or don't.
Romeo is the head coach. If his assistants are doing as you say, I still blame Romeo.
Only a goof sits back and allows his hired help ruin the store......that, or he is truly clueless and approves what is going on.
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Why would anyone think the HC be responsible for the cordinators? Wow...I guess its hard to see with your nose, heck your whole head up someones...... Anything...on this team...falls on RAC's desk...its like that anywhere...when your the boss/manager...it all comes on you.
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The buck stops at the coach but the people in charge know how that buck can be broken down to the pennies..meaning they analize and see who is also responsible for breakdowns..I don't blame Rac for everything...there are other people who screw up bigtime.
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LOL, that is your expert opinion from your vast experience in running a team, right? Keep ranting, Peen, you always do. I would point out that a person who said that KH was a Pro Bowl QB caling anyone a "goof" and that you should cut a player three years after they're drafted if they aren't starting is prety hypocritical. 
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Don't use common sense, Attack. Peen and Menza are on a roll here. Of course, if the Browns start winning again, Menza will be "on vacation" and not post since he won't have anything to rant about.
Everyone knows the HC is where the buck stops. Sadly, too few know how a coaching staff works...but that doesn't stop them from stating their uninformed opinion as fact.
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Shooz.. let me see if I can name the responsibility ladder for posterity... Coordinators report to head coach.. Tucker and Chud report to RAC. Head coach reports to GM.. RAC reports to Opie. GM reports to owner.. Opie reports to Lerner. Otay.. based on this insightful breakdown  Offhand, I'd say that any failure by coordinators is up to the HC to explain to the GM.. Sounds reasonable to me.. Of course, there remains the fact that it was the coordinator that failed, then there is the point that the coordinator was hired by the HC (most likely with the GM's approval) So.. It follows that the brunt of the responsibility falls on the HC.
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The problem, Saint is two fold with those that were arguing that this was RAC's fault. FIrst, there was a claim that no changes were being made. Of course, that's absurd, as there have been, but some never let facts get in the way of a good rant. In fact, we are going to see personnel changes tonight. Yet, they invent something to slam RAC about and repeat it over and over and make themselves and their clique believe it's true, flying in the fact of facts.
The second thing is that Tucker WILL have some struggles. He's a first time DC. He is going to make mistakes. To expect him to come in and be perfect would be the same as expecting BQ to come in and play like Manning or Brady. He is also hamstrung by the lack of talent at some positions and lack of experience at others. So, you have to determine what you feel is the best game plan based on the personnel you have. That isn't something the critics want to hear.
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The buck stops at the coach but the people in charge know how that buck can be broken down to the pennies..meaning they analize and see who is also responsible for breakdowns..I don't blame Rac for everything...there are other people who screw up bigtime.
I agree, everything is not RAC's fault...but it does fall on his desk. RAC is not at fault for every failure...but he will take the heat for it.
RAC has to make sure the dudes around him dont screw him over because they cant do their job...Tuck..Mo...
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The problem, Saint is two fold with those that were arguing that this was RAC's fault. FIrst, there was a claim that no changes were being made. Of course, that's absurd, as there have been, but some never let facts get in the way of a good rant. In fact, we are going to see personnel changes tonight. Yet, they invent something to slam RAC about and repeat it over and over and make themselves and their clique believe it's true, flying in the fact of facts.
This is something that will play out over time and I would think that the conclusions will be fairly self evident. We are going to find out.. until then I imagine everyone is going to have a different opinion.. personally, RAC has been slowly losing me.. I'm not 100% against him at all.. but he is eroding my support for him.. I would LOVE to see him turn this around. a huge huge problem for him is the lack of depth / talent at critical positions.. the injuries at the beginning just killed us.. (and RAC)
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Of course a first year man is going to make errors. Absolutely.. I guess the best response to that as his manager / supervisor at the DC / OC's yearly review is: Did he learn from the mistake? Did he make the adjustments? Did he come to me for guidance and mentoring.. Did he discuss this with me? and.. are we moving forward? If not.. why?
Then his manager has to pose this to himself.. Did I give my subordinate the tools he need to suceed? This is where Savage grades RAC's performance.
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Saint is two fold with those that were arguing that this was RAC's fault. FIrst, there was a claim that no changes were being made. Of course, that's absurd, as there have been, but some never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Coach, simple fact is that until the changes (whatever they may be) show up in the form of better production... people will complain and, I think, rightfully so. I don't know where the bulk of the problem lies between Tucker, RAC, talent, Phil etc.... but our defense looks decent on paper but awful on the field.. fix it and I will praise all of them.
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LOL, that is your expert opinion from your vast experience in running a team, right? Keep ranting, Peen, you always do. I would point out that a person who said that KH was a Pro Bowl QB caling anyone a "goof" and that you should cut a player three years after they're drafted if they aren't starting is prety hypocritical.
I never said Holcomb was a pro-bowl qb.
I only said he was a better option than Tim.
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Sadly, too few know how a coaching staff works...but that doesn't stop them from stating their uninformed opinion as fact.
If that is how it works, it really is just a game and people really don't have to be very bright to be a coach.
If RAC sees one of his assistants screwing things up, RAC needs to protect his job...by taking over more. If he has to take over to much, he needs to can the assistant.
In your scenario..the asst.'s insulate the head coach...in my scenario, the head coach sees that it gets done.
You can say what you want...Romeo is a bad head coach and the sooner he hits the door, the better off we will be.
The longer we keep him around, the more it looks like the Raiders and Art Shell.
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Coach - No offense meant here, but you need to stop talking about people not having coaching experience as a means of devaluing their opinion of RAC. It's about leadership and anyone in any walk of life can have experience in that.
Everyone knows we have limited pieces to work with on this defense. We're obviously not going to be able to run ourselves like a Pittsburgh or Baltimore for that exact reason. However, lacking some pieces is NO excuse for underutilizing the ones we have. He may not coach the defense but he DOES control the coordinators. If he sees a coordinator struggling, it's his responsibility as the team leader to help him improve and make some suggestions with his valuable input. If he sees a guy who just flat out can't coach, he needs to take steps necessary to fix things.
My problem with RAC is that we've seen the exact same BS every single week on the field and we barely do anything to change. If you're in charge of anything and you let your people's crappy performance make you look bad week after week, it reflects on YOU for not doing anything.
How bad did Anderson have to play to get benched? How well does Harrison have to play to see extended touches? How many points had to be scored because quarterbacks have all day before we mix things up on defense? How many players are going to have to speak out publicly before we admit RAC has lost control?
A leader doesn't just sit there and "stay the course" if staying the course is getting us murdered, nor do those under the leader go over their head. A leader has control over the situation, knows where weaknesses lie and has a plan to fix them. The amount of "I don't know what happened"s and "We'll have to try to figure it out"s coming from RAC after every brutal loss tell me we have a guy who has control over very little.
He's a great coordinator and unlike some, I won't take that away from him. That's fine, let him be a coordinator. Let's get someone who knows how to run a ship. It doesn't take having been a coach to see that and criticize, all it takes is someone who has an understanding of the concept of a leader and understands that RAC isn't it.
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link Browns GM Savage apologizes for e-mail expletive By TOM WITHERS – 3 hours ago BEREA, Ohio (AP) — Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage has apologized to a fan for sending a profane e-mail following Monday night's game against the Buffalo Bills. Savage used an expletive in his response to the fan, who criticized the GM in several e-mail exchanges. "It happened after the game," Savage in an e-mail to The Associated Press. "There had been previous e-mails from him over the months and enough was enough. We have both apologized to each other since. The Browns' fans have overwhelmingly been supportive of me over the past 3-plus seasons and I appreciate that greatly." Earlier, Browns coach Romeo Crennel said he spoke with Savage, who sent the e-mail moments after Cleveland's 29-27 win over the Bills in Orchard Park, N.Y. "We all get frustrated at times," Crennel said. "Phil generally, like the rest of us, tries to be professional and hold it in. But sometimes some things slip out. It's unfortunate that it slipped out. Tough times, tough things happen. I'm sure that if we had it to do over again we'd do it a little bit differently." Savage is not facing sanctions from the league. "They have apologized to each other and put the matter behind them," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an e-mail. Savage's exchange with the fan was first reported on sports blog deadspin.com. The fan, without revealing his name, appeared on WKNR radio in Cleveland on Thursday and said he had been badgering Savage throughout the game. During the fourth quarter Monday night, he said he sent Savage an e-mail calling him "the worst GM in the NFL." Savage replied about 40 minutes later with a short message that included an expletive. "I'm highly embarrassed by it," the fan said. "I sent him two follow-ups. My second e-mail was an out and out apology to him." Browns owner Randy Lerner did not immediately return an e-mail seeking comment. The incident is just the latest episode in a tumultuous season for the Browns, who are a disappointing 4-6 after winning 10 games last season. Last month, Savage was involved in a dispute with Pro Bowl tight end Kellen Winslow, who criticized the club for its handling of a three-day hospitalization for a staph infection. Winslow was initially suspended for one game for his comments, but the club later rescinded the penalty after learning that a team employee had sent a text message to Winslow telling him not to disclose he had staph. The Browns have had at least six known cases of staph since 2005. In addition, the Browns recently benched starting quarterback Derek Anderson in favor of backup Brady Quinn, who has gone 1-1 in two starts since getting the job. During his news conference on Thursday, Crennel revealed that Quinn broke his right index finger in the first half of Monday night's win over Buffalo. Quinn, though, stayed in the game and is expected to play Sunday when the Browns host the Houston Texans.
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I'll have to read back to see how this became a defense thread but I'll have a lash...
This defense is RAC's baby and here's why I feel that way...
Last season under Grantham we ran the "No Pressure" defense based on creating as little pressure as possible on QB's. Most of the season we showed no interest what so ever in getting to the QB. This season we are running the exact same "No Pressure" defense based on the same principles. Two different DC's running the same exact defense tells me it comes from above. RAC.
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I knew about this last night but didn't post it because it hadn't been talked about on a "legit" site. I know it's not professional and all, but if some guy gets a hold of your e-mail address and harrasses you for several months, I'd be pretty irritated by that time. We all make mistakes, and it's not the end of the world.
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Savage just opened the door for Cowher to replace the Savage/Crennel error. No way he survives this after the embarrassment of the K2 incident.
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Savage just opened the door for Cowher to replace the Savage/Crennel error. No way he survives this after the embarrassment of the K2 incident.
Savage returning a stalker emailer POS know nothing guy with an expletive...in the Football community. What a low life 
Ya joking right? This is NOTHING absolutely NOTHING...I'm just happy I wasn't in Savage's shoes lol  I sure I would have done worse.
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Lets try this again.. the guy probably had it coming. But that doesn't make Phil right. 1) Phil has no business occupying himself with a fan as email pen pal. 2) Phil has no business venting at him. We can say it's mighty high  of Phil to be talking among the little people. I don't know if and how many of his 31 counterparts have done the same but suffice it to say, no one has made the news in quite the same fashion. Forget the schlub at the other end. He's the internet equivalent of the drunk who spots a pro athlete in a bar and turns it into a confrontation so that he can get his 15 minutes. It's an embarassing move on Phil's part, to be sure, but the far greater embarassment is that he would get sucked into these exchanges leading up to the headline grabber. Again, you can say what a noble guy he is for talking to Larry Lunchbucket, but if I were Lerner, I'd tell him that this was a monumental waste of his time. Public speaking engagements with fans? Sure. Private email exchanges with them? No.
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Nothing. Are you really that naive? I am serious. GM takes the time to reply to a fan with [censored for masked profanity] and you dont have a problem with that. He embarrassed this team,he embarrassed the owner and came off as a whiny Rosie O'donnel. Is that masked profanity?
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"no one has made the news in quite the same fashion."
Maybe nobody has gotten their email Addy leaked out - how'd this guy get the email addy?
JMH?
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
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CHRIST HAS RISEN!
GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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