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Hey, it's the Internet, most of us have no clue if anyone is who or what they say they are. It's always best to have a healthy amount of skepticism in my opinion.

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excluding me ..... right??? .....

No one knows who or what you are........

Hell, you post like someone who works at dictionary.com only on crack....

BUF's pressure was effective.
Very effective..

I think that another problem is the receivers being covered. Quinn's timing is still not there with the receivers, especially on the deeper routes, plus lack of separation isn't helping.
I never saw any recievers get a lot of seperation..
Either the Bills DB's are better, or our guys were just inept that night ..

When Quinn threw it over the top he missed badly, possibly because he was trying too hard to avoid interceptions, partly because WR's weren't open, and partly because his timing isn't there yet..

Quinn definitely is poised even under duress, which is a departure from DA. He's tough, accountable, and a good leader it seems. That won't help much if he doesn't improve his accuracy.

In the Denver game he was accurate, but it was mostly underneath stuff. Quinn needs to show that he can complete it downfield or defenses will REALLY start teeing off.

He did throw downfield a few times, but the routes weren't open..

A big factor here might be Stallworth sucking ..and he does..if he's covered every freaking play, he's hurting the offense and costing extra Quinn checkdowns.

Even if Cribbs' hands are suspect, he has gotten open as a WR in some limited opportunities this year. I don't see Steptoe or Sanders as options to play the # 2.

Cribbs might be worth a try with his yac potential, his apparent ability to separate, and his downfield blocking ability.
Saving Cribbs for returns is a joke. With his heart he's chomping at the bit between kick returns. Getting Harrison on the field more would help too because Lewis is a inferior receiving threat.
Getting Vickers back would help a little too. BE, Cribbs, Winslow, Harrison and Vickers could pressure a defense I think... confuse the heck out of the short coverage and slip somebody deep occasionally.
But all in all timing with the wideouts is key for him..seperation is another..catching it is the third..
Oh and getting protection up the gut is most important..I'm going to keep my eye on that..something bugs me but I'm not saying anything for now.

What he needs is a reliable # 2 guy..Edwards to start catching stuff..
Teams know we have no one else to throw to..so they can key on K2 to take him out..

jc...

Maybe I've missed it, but can anyone that counted tell us what BQs 22 incomplete passes were? Too high, too low, dropped, etc.?

Yes,for one reason or another,they all hit the ground.

Um, thanks.

BTW....Toad you suck as our Welcoming Committee Chairman

Welcome to the board Nosebleed...continue having an opinion...just don't take things so personal and the more you keep it to football in your discussions the better you will come out for it...Enjoy the board

On to page 3...hopefully it will get back to football

I told U to vote for me for Welcoming Committe Chairman .. ...

Michelle sorry I'm just not that anal to go and count each and everyone...but I'm sure Diam will Sorry Diam, I couldn't resist and actually I can't wait as you have the game taped I'm sure.

But Michelle....there was an array of "EXCUSES" reasons for the incompletions.

1. And I think most important. Pressure, I haven't seen pressure like this on our QB since game ONE Steelers (07) and it had nothing to do with BQ holding onto the ball too long. OUR BLOCKING SCHEMED SUCKED! Why, Cause Hank hates BQ and loves DA so much he is willing to sabotage him??? NAH... for a nano second I did think that while watching as the blitzer came in scott free through the A gap.

But more so cause all the film we had on the Bills to prepare didn't show any or much at all in Blitz packages for us to make our reads and properly prepare with correct calls. But the fact remains BQ saw more pressure than our QB has seen in a long, long time. This is a plus in his book (BQ's) regarding his POISE, LEADERSHIP...its easier to just say "IT" factor.

2. Wind and weather...Cold Air will knock balls DOWN...its a law of physics. Especially NEW COLD AIR...meaning there is still some warmth on the ground (not frozen like in the dead of winter) - most evident I think in the Pass in that last series where BQ threw a deep out and had it die short and almost INT'd. Wind not as bad as the game wore on but obvious there was wind by the kicks one way as opposed to the other.

3. He started off cold...timing sucked cause the D gave us a short field. But I think he was 1-8??? Wish we could have had those turnovers a little later. But he was more Accurate after the start as in without a doubt the low pct. has some blame and responsibility by BQ

I think most evident that we have a different - and in my opinion - correct QB at the helm is several indicators.

More consistent...we never seem to have those Mr. Hyde...Droughts. BQ at the helm as a starter...8 quarters and we have scored in ALL 8 that is pretty amazing when you look at it!

2nd half fiasco...gut check time..."IT"
For 3 games now our Defense has squandered first half leads and it seemed the only way possible for us to survive was for the Offense to step up.

DA Ravens game 3 score lead...DA in the run...3 n out, 3 n out, 3 n out - then a Pick 6 to nail the coffin shut.

BQ Denver game 2 score lead...10 play Drive ending with penalties, First down made and fumble, 10 play Drive for TD, Last drive...nice gain short of first...two bad plays by BQ (and why he personally took the blame) and then a nice pass and drop by KW2 to end the game.

BQ Bills game: 3 n out, 9 plays FG, 2 plays TD (ty Jerome ) , 9 plays FG, 6 n out, 7 plays game winning FG.

This is the major difference between BQ and DA, call it whatever you want. Poise, Leadership or IT. BQ has it and DA does not.

So far I know I have been reinforced positively with my impression and in hopes regarding BQ...all be it just 2 games so far so good

As always JMHO

Just heard Quinn broke a finger ..don't know which hand.

According to Romeo and WKNR, Brady Quinn has a broken finger. Hoping to find a link here soon.

Great.

I heard it to. Romeo confirmed it according to WKNR.

http://www.cleveland.com/brownsbeat/index.ssf/2008/11/cleveland_browns_brady_quinn_h.html

Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn has right index finger fracture
by Tony Grossi Thursday November 20, 2008, 11:19 AM
Brady Quinn has a small fracture in his right index finger, but is expected to make his third straight start on Sunday.

Coach Romeo Crennel said the fracture was discovered on an X-ray, which was taken after Quinn complained of soreness in the finger after Wednesday's practice.

Quinn was examined by a hand specialist, who cleared him to play, the coach said.

"This is a small fracture," Crennel said.

Quinn will wear a splint on the finger when he's not practicing or playing.

So...is it a teeny weenie fracture?

Just heard some more..fracture..will wear a splint when not practicing..but is cleared to play..
It's his index finger..wonder how that happened as many times as Mitchell kept coming clean and hitting him point blank
I know there was one shot where Brady's hand hit a helmet..

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Do I think NB knows an insider? Nope. But to be honest I have my doubts about some of the other guys, too. Hey, it's the Internet, most of us have no clue if anyone is who or what they say they are. It's always best to have a healthy amount of skepticism in my opinion.

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When I was having lunch with Randy and Phil the other day, they said they've never heard of CoachB...

Here’s week 2 of the BQ era in C-town ….. really …. *L* (Hel if u thought I said HORRIBLE a lot last week … U may not wanna read this weeks installment … )

1st & 10 ….. Our 44 …… Slant to Brey ….. not a great throw … drop #1 by Brey ….

3rd & 6 …. Our 47 …… 6 yard out throw to KW … had him for a 1st down … threw it high … KW got one hand up and tipped it …. BAD PASS ….

1st & 10 ….. Bills 49 …… naked boot leg ….. gains 11 … puts head down and takes hit …. HORRIBLE DECISION …. He is way way smarter than this …

1st & 10 … Bills 38 ……. Quick slant to Ali … nicely done …

2nd & 8 … Bills 23 … Intermediate slant to Brey … my boy looks left and does a nice preogression and comes back to Bry with man coverage in the middle … throws an OK pass … if he leads him and he actually catches it … its 1st & goal at the 1 or 2 if not a TD … Brey leaps for some reason .. the pass was a tad high but no real reason to leap … drop #2 for Brey … it was not a perfect pass but it certainly should have been caught ….

3rd & 8 …. They sent 6 ….. Joe got beat as did Shaff to the outside … Hank went to help Hadnot an let a LBer (Stroud lined up as a Middle LBer on this play) run unabated to BQ …. Just as he was releasing Stroud put his hand right where BQ was throwing it .. and tipped the ball as it lelft BQ’s hands …and at the same time he was being hit by Joe’s guy … the pass wobbled toward KW and fell incomplete … it was the perfect collapsing pocket .. it collapsed from the middle and both sides … funny part was the only guy who actually blocked his man was Hadnot .. and Wright picked up the other guy … but the other 4 … not so good … U actually see Hank running at BQ chasing Stroud like he was rushing the passer … *L* …

We get a FG …. 3 – 0 Us …

3rd & 2 … Our 33 …. They blitz the 2 MLbers … Hank picks one up … Wright can’t get in front of BQ fast enough to get a piece of the other one … BQ reads it and throws the ball to Hieden over the middle … he gets engaged by another LBer and has no chance to catch it … can’t really blame anyone on this one .. just a good d play call and execution …

2nd & 14 …. Bills 16 …. Quick slant to Brey …. McGee engages him at LOS throwing the timing slightly off … not sure if this is drop #3 by Brey or McGee just breaks it up … no replays to re see it from and U can’t tell from the original angle weather brey just dropped it or McGee made the play ..

3rd & 14 …. Pass to KW that hits the Jills defender in the back … good read … he has 1 on 1 with KW and knows he can get the ball there before the safety gets over … he gives a playmaker a chance to make a play with a decent throw ….. HORRIBLE THROW … BQ is way better than that … can’t believe he threw that ball where he did ….

On that play I have no clue .. but I would imagine Cribbs must have ran the wrong route as him and Brey were about 5 yards apart running the same straight ahead route … it may have been the play call .. but if so it was bad spacing and makes no sense to me at all …
We kick another FG …. 6 – 0 …. BRUTAL JOB SO FAR … ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL (mixed in a new word for U Held .. *L*) … with that field position we mustered 6 points .. UNACCEPTABLE BRADY!!!!!

START OF 2ND QUARTER ….

2nd & 8 …. Our 13 …. Nice play call … an OK executed play fake left by my boy …. Then rolls right and has Ali in the flat … well covered … he then looks down field and sets nicely and delivers a strike to a wide open KW 15 yards down the field …

1st & 10 …. Our 28 ….. another play fake .. this one was poor … hes better than that …. my boy looks right after the play fake left .. sees the D and then goes left and hits Brey for a 20 yard gain on a intermediate slant ….

2nd & 9 …. Midfield .. a poor play fake by my boy … then he hits Brey on a 17 yard slant … just like the previous play except he goes right there … so I am not sure if it was a poor play fake or they saw sumptin and went back to the same play and new it would be open cause my boy went to Brey quick …

1st & 10 .. Jills 33 …. Jills send 5 … Hanks goes to help Stieny immediately … leaving Hadnot with two guys .. he appears to try and block them both as he ends up in between them with an outstretched arm on each of them … NO CLUE WHAT IN THE HELL HE IS DOING … there both basically running free towards my boy … Lewis takes one out with a chop block … the other one basically goes unabated to my boy … the good news is Hank and Stieny stonewall there guy … the double team worked great … BQ sees this and launches the ball downfield to Donte who has man to man coverage .. not the ideal guy to throw it to in that situation … nor was it a good throw … but now knowing what else was going on and the fact he had no time … I can’t whack the decision … and seeing as how he got hit and could not follow through even a little but … can’t really whack the throw either ….

2nd & 10 … quick slant to Brey … throws it to the wrong shoulder .. brey catches it and gets YAC for 10 …

3 run plays later we have 6 …. I would be remiss if I did not mention this drive was saved by a bad call on an illegal contact call on a bad pass by my boy down the sideline for KW … another HORRIBLE PASS …. Another horrible pass that don’t count …

2nd & 11 …. Our 18 … 13 – 7 …. 6 mins left in 2nd Q .. throws another jump pass … decent protection that compresses all around him once again … he makes a jump pass to Brey for a few yards …. He threw it behind him but considering he was jumping and getting hit in the helmet as he was throwing it .. I’m not going to whack him with the word HORRIBLE again …

3rd & 6 ….. Our 29 …. Nice protection … throw to Heiden down the middle … BAD THROW and DECISION … he wasn’t open …. And he threw it to far for him .. only positive is he threw it in the hole in the coverage …. Not much of a positive …

2nd Half …. 13 – 10 …..

3rd & 17 …. Our 19 ….. my boy rolls into pressure for no particular reason … he throws it away after GETTING HIMSELF IN TROUBLE …

2nd & 6 … Our 42 …. Naked bootleg left … gain of 8 … he has improved his decision making all ready and ran out of bounds …

1st & 10 …. Midfield ….. Hadnot get whooped and my boy steps up and throws a 6 yarder to Brey .. who for some inexplicable reasons dives at the ball like a fish out of water (literally .. *L*) … man is it evident he has inner demons with this thing and is fighting it …. The ball was not thrown right at him but there was no need to leave your feet and kind of fling yourself at the ball … one of the weirdest catches I have ever seen …

2nd & 10 …. Our 36 ….. they send 6 and the OL doea a very good job picking it up … and I will say this .. when Jamal is in on these .. he PUNISHES the blitzer … ABSOLUTELY PUNISHES THEM … plenty of time and the ball is tipped at the line .. when they send 6 and we pick it up a QB has got to make them PAY FOR IT … and BQ did not do that … NOT GOOD AT ALL … BRUTAL as a matter of fact …

3rd & 4 …. They send 4 … good protection …. Hits Brey for 22 down the sideline … easy throw … can o corn …..

2nd & 8 …. Jills 25 … they send 6 … get right to him … he had no chance … they sent two up the gut and Hank picked one up and Jamal had flared right on the snap and that left one unabated to my boy ..

3rd & 17 … Jills 34 …. They send 4 … good protection … he hits Steptoe for 8 … not a bad decision … he got 8 yards putting us in FG range as we were going into the wind …

16 – 10 Good guys …..

1st & 10 … Our 17 …. 16 – 13 … roll BQ right and he hits Brey on a 10 yard sit down route … Brey goes to a knee to catch it .. no need for that … he is clearly struggling …

START OF 4TH Q …. Long run by Rome for a 23 – 13 lead good guys … then the KO return by the Jills … 23 – 20 …

1st & 10 our 43 …. Roll BQ left … pressure coming and he basically throws it out of bounds over Donte’s head ….he gets hit after release …

1st & 10 …. Jills 33 …. Very nice decision … has Brey in man coverage down the sideline .. there was a double play action fake …. he gets pressured and has to throw it sooner than he wants to … Brey gets tangled up with DB .. throw is no wheres close .. but U have no idea if it was a bad pass or not cause Brey was tangled with the DB 10 yards away from where the pass was thrown … and BQ got buried .. and I mean squashed … and it wasn’t the lines fault all together .. it was a very slow developing play …

3rd & 7 … Jills 30 … they send 6 all from the left …. Hieden stays in and picks up one … Hank helps Stieny and then slides off and picks up another … Hadnot gets beat again on what was possibly the worst attempt at a block I have ever seen .. he kind of jumped and threw his hip at the rusher Shaff slides down nicely (as his guy went to cover Rome .. ) and picks him up … BQ hits Roe down the sideline … nice pass … nuttin special ..

2nd & Goal from the 6 …. Roll him to the right … U can see ali and he is covered … KW is in the middle of the field in the end zone covered well … no clue what is going on the right side with Brey … so he throws it to Lewis who is well covered … he throws it in the correct spot where its either incomplete or Lewis catches it .. he was well covered …

3rd & goal from the 6 … HORRIBLE DECISION … HORRIBLE … he throws the ball to Brey in the back of the end zone .. only problem is brey never got there cause of the D … they had EVERYONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE END ZONE … he had Donte with man on man on the right side (wide side) and he also had KW in the left sideline with man coverage … HORRIBLE HORRIBLE DECISION .. he obviously made up his mind pre-snap and that is UNNACEPTABLE …

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately for the coddlers .. *L*) this is where my tape ends … being the IDIOT I am I forgot to extend the recording time before it started … so that’s all I got …

Grade – D ….. only reason its not a D- is because he threw no picks (even though he tried a couple times) and we won ..

Positives …

- No picks …

- Showed poise under pressure and stood in there and made some throws when he knew he was going to get whacked ..

- Very good pocket presence … and good foot work. Mobility to avoid sacks …

- Only one bad decision that could have led to a pick …

Negatives ….

- threw off his back foot just like last week and it should have been picked … he can not do that … it will cost us big time ….

- Made some bad decision on some big throws regarding who he threw it to …

- Was very inaccurate … I watched him for 4 years at ND and this is the worst game I ever saw him have in regards to accuracy … BRUTAL GAME in that regard ..

- They blitzed and he had chances to make them pay and he really only did once or twice …

That’s about it for game 2 … quite frankly I was disgusted with his play on Monday night … hopefully I get a chance to be disgusted with him again next week and the finger don’t keep him out … could have happened on the play when Stroud got to him … or one of the many other times he had guys helmets in the vicinity of his hand as he was following through ….

What was that Z?? ...

Great post, very fair, about the same as I think.

If he throws a turnover, then it would be a Derek Anderson-ish game. But that's the difference, Brady doesn't make poor decisions, just poor throws which should get better.

You BQ hater...

3rd & goal from the 6 … HORRIBLE DECISION … HORRIBLE … he throws the ball to Brey in the back of the end zone .. only problem is brey never got there cause of the D … they had EVERYONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE END ZONE … he had Donte with man on man on the right side (wide side) and he also had KW in the left sideline with man coverage … HORRIBLE HORRIBLE DECISION .. he obviously made up his mind pre-snap and that is UNNACEPTABLE …


I think he was just throwing it away. He threw it way to high to be caught. I don't remember if he looked either left or right first. Is this what you are basing your opinion on?

I love how you break down every throw. We had a lot of posters breaking down just about every bad throw from DA. You are very consistant. You actually are a little tougher on Quinn because you expect much more from him. With you I don't think it is in attempt to try and appear non biased but rather just judging him off of what you know his abilities are.

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I don't remember if he looked either left or right first.

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He looked right for about a nano second .. I think to try and get all the Jills players in the middle of the end zone to go that way ... then he immediatley went to KW who was well covered by ONE GUY and then went to Brey who had like 4 guys in his vicinity and one of them had him basically boxed out so Brey couldn't get to where the route was suppose to take him ..

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He threw it way to high to be caught.

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No .. it was very catchable .. problem was Brey was stopped 5 yards previous to where the throw went .. *L* ....

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I think he was just throwing it away

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I sure as all hell hope not ... he had little to no pressure and had a ton of room on the right to BUY SOME TIME ... no reason to throw it away ... your at the 6 frickin yard line .. scramble right and KEEP THE PLAY ALIVE ....

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You actually are a little tougher on Quinn because you expect much more from him.

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A little??? *L* ...

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With you I don't think it is in attempt to try and appear non biased but rather just judging him off of what you know his abilities are.

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your correct ... I know what he can do and what he is capable of .. I am very disappointed in his first two starts ...

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He threw it way to high to be caught.

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No .. it was very catchable .. problem was Brey was stopped 5 yards previous to where the throw went .. *L* ....

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Ok, I saw this.. now maybe you can answer the question. The defender wasn't turning to the ball, he was playing BE like a basketball defender with his back to the ball.. BE came across the back of the endzone as the ball was being thrown, came up this guy and stopped.. he was boxed out away from the ball..

Now, since the guy was facing away from the ball, why didn't BE run right over him to try to get to the ball? Isn't that pass interference? Wouldn't that normally get the call? Why stop?

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why didn't BE run right over him to try to get to the ball?

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my guess is because the guy had position on him and there was no place to go other than through him .... U just don't run through people to get the ball ... thats just my guess though .. I have no clue what goes on in that boys head ...

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Isn't that pass interference? Wouldn't that normally get the call?

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No it would not have been PI ... well maybe it would have .. but it would have been offensive PI .... U just can't run through people STANDING there to try and get a ball ...

the guy had position ... and its not like the defender not looking at the ball and Brey was coming back to try and make a play on the ball and the defender stopped him from making a play on it ...

NO WAY is this one on Brey ...NO WAY ...

he prolly stopped cause a guy was in his way .... thats what U do when someone is standing there and there is no way around them ...

I questioned that too when Quinn threw one deep to Edwards near the endzone. Edwards and the defender kind of got their legs tangled up, but it just looked to me like Edwards expected an interference call and kind of gave up on it. Whether or not he would have been able to get to the ball, or whether or not it was a good throw, it kind of looked like Edwards gave up on it.

And no, I'm not just trying to bash Edwards, I'm just pointing out what I saw.

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NO WAY is this one on Brey ...NO WAY ...

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Wasn't trying to put it there... was just asking a question.

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He made several poor decisions in this game. He's essentially a freakin' rookie, but he doesn't make poor decisions. He made poor decisions, and he's going to CONTINUE to make poor decisions because he's young.

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That's some of your best blathering yet.

Actually after last week not so bad a review except of course for your final grades...I don't know what I would give...C or less I guess of course not more. But compared with last week a lot better than what one would expect in a review but obviously accurate.

Just a couple of things....sorry skimmed through the 2nd half.

Did you pick up where he broke (small fracture) his index finger? They said 4th qtr.

Also on the BAD call. Got news the bad call was on the announcers. Cause the REF clearly stated Illegal contact by #37 who is a Safety Wilson and nowhere near the play on TV...It is possible for another WR on the opposite side of the field (except for the fact we see the ref right there on the sideline throw his flag ) but it doesn't mean he threw it regarding the KW defender but possibly another??? Or there were two flags and the Interference call by the ref in view of the screen was deemed an Uncatchable pass and there was that other illegal contact penalty that was eventually STATED QUITE clearly by the REF...# 37 (going on memory but I think I remember a Safety Wilson???) but it wasn't the coverage that we saw.

btw... throwing off his back foot like last week??? He drew praise from Jaworski for that throw

I'm not sure about this week...I thought the Pop up throw was off the back foot - then I looked at the replay and it was just he was hit and was not able to transfer...not incorrect technique, just impossible.

JMHO - thanks for the breakdown.

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btw... throwing off his back foot like last week??? He drew praise from Jaworski for that throw

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I agreed with Jaws even though it was not a smart throw. Bad things can happen much easier because of bad mechanics. I'm obviously not telling you anything you didn't know already since you have pointed it out numerous times when DA did t.

The difference isn't because it's now Quinn and not DA. The difference is that Quinn has twice now managed to make plays out of nothing, and both times he avoided being sacked.

I have seen Payton Mannanig do the same thing over and over. Nobody gives him a hard time because he makes plays when throwing off of his back foot far more then he screws up. The jury is still out as to whether Quinn can produce more then he hurts us doing "jump throws" but so far he is batting 1,000.

Pdawg...there also is a fine line from throwing a jump pass and throwing off your back foot. In the technical aspect.

Remember back in TC when BQ was practicing on the Goal Line all different angles and methods to throw...and DA tagged along and the media was stating about how DA is learning from BQ.

Well I betcha a jump pass was there. As for DA, he just doesn't have the athleticism to pull it off...of course I alway thought he had the height, and yet he would have so many balls batted down for a tall QB???

BTW...nobody, nobody throws off his back foot more than Favre.

Look here in lies the dillema as a NFL QB...and proper footwork vs... footwork in the actual game as its played.

You are facing an on rushing DLman/or two as the underneath pocket breaks down. Do you try to envoke proper technique and step into the throw. Possibly causing season injury btw to the shoulder/hand (hmmm somebody did fracture a finger) but also jeopardizing damage to the play...as in I have seen more INTs from QBs who weren't able to finish their throws as they step into it than any other action!

Or do you improvise...look show me a play (not you Pdawg...the immitation experts out there, they know who they are) Show me the play where BQ is standing in the pocket untouched withouth the belly of the pocket breaking down and he "SHOWS poor technique" via throwing off the back foot. I'll be the first to say, dang, the kid has to fix that and fast!

But to sit there and advise me...about technical gobbity gook...and sorry if I sound condescending as I know I am...I have just taught TOO MANY QBs and built them from the ground up to listen to somebody stating a technical term like throwing from the back foot the other that peeves me is the term "Happy Feet".

When the QB is in the position to improvise as the Belly of the pocket is breaking down and make a play.

Actually in watching the replay of that almost POP UP INT...at first I thought he did throw off his back foot...but in the replay actually he was trying to step into the throw and got hit...he would have been better off going on the back foot...or better yet jump pass it off the back foot (hopefully to just dump it in open ground...obviously where the pop up landed was open enough) to a wide open WR or near enough to the feet of one not to get a grounding penalty.

But to here Technical gobbidy gook sited from somebody who doesn't really embrace the kid is a little annoying to me. If correct I would acknowledge it.

I do know that BQ is not a GOD, I know he is human and I am pretty sure he will make mistakes. If he does, it doesn't prove that he is not the ONE.

JMHO

Great post EO.

sorry bro didn't pick up the play he may have broke his thumb on .. I thought it may have been on the play Stroud got near him but that was in the first half I believe ...

I was almost done when I found out he broke his finger or I would have been more cognizant of it ...

P ... I don't have a problem with the jump pass ... he's thrown a total of 3 or 4 over his two games that I was 100% fine with ... he was moving forward or going straight up and threw them short ... dump off type stuff .. plus he was NOT GOING BACKWORDS ....

On the TD pass to KW ... he made out ... and I believe tabber is one of the most knowledgable guys around and knows more about this stuff than I do and I respect the hell out of him .... but I do not want my QB throwing the ball while FADING BACKWARDS .. this is not hoops .. fade away jump shots are not good for QB's ... *L* ... it will lead to way more bad things than good things ...