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I'm breaking with a personal rule of mine. Don't discuss religion, gun control, politics, the abortion issue....etc. Apparently, Brady is a person a faith. Not a bad thing IMO (unless it turns you into a terrorist or a genuine PITA). In my own personal opinion, the concept behind prayer was not intended to include the outcome of a sports contest (unless life and death hung in the balance, which is not usually the case in modern times - unless you're a Columbian soccer player scoring a goal against your own team in the World Cup). Again, IMO, prayer is for the well being of people (usually family members and friends), for world peace, feeding the hungry, curing the sick, condolences, for the souls of dearly departed (including Raven_Killer) etc., etc. And I have no problem with a quick showing of glory to God by pointing and looking towards the heavens after scoring a TD...but to pray for your team (a group of people) to defeat the opponent (another equal group of people) is slightly childish. I doubt that God would entertain the thought of 'fixing' the game for one team over the other because you, I or BQ begs him to. Again, I bring this up because people have noticed it and discussed it in Eo's What I Saw thread. It's a free country (thank God  ) and people can chose to believe in Him or not. They can pray for whatever they want...and that includes BQ. I've given up praying to the golf God...I just fix an extra ball mark to try and appease Him.
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Do most people think he is praying to win the game?
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Golly, I guess he could be praying that we lose.  Would be kind of an odd time to be praying for world peace or your sick aunt....but I suppose it could be for something other than the betterment of the Browns current situation.
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I coached baseball....HS and college age players.
I always prayed before games.
I will tell you exactly what I prayed for....That He gave me the wisdom to make correct decisions. That nobody was hurt in the contest and that all the players on the field played to the best of their ability .
I am smart enough to know God isn't going to favor my players over theirs, so just let everybody play well and let the chips fall where they may.
So, as it relates to Quinn, there is nothing wrong with asking for support to play to the best of your ability, and there is nothing wrong with acknowledging you might not have all the answers and seek the wisdom and strength of a superior entity....and there is never not a time to seek that wisdom and strength.
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Obviously, I can't answer for BQ, but as a Christian athlete growing up I didn't pray that God would favor my team over our opponent. Most Christians, I would think, know better than that.
Rather, I'd pray for strength, courage, focus, healing or whatever the moment called for (for both my teammates and myself). I'd also thank God for helping me perform the best I could (win or lose). All this comes under the heading of wanting to do one's best for God's glory and not necessarily our own. For believers, this is a key part of exercising our faith.
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In my opinion, God doesn't care who wins a game.
I don't think Quinn would've been, or any athlete for that matter (any athlete that knows anything about God) was praying "God, help us win".
Probably more along the lines of "God, help me play to the best of my ability. And help Joe T. block to the best of his ability.
I pray every morning for God to help me do my best job. That doesn't mean I'm praying for my competitors to fail/lose. That means that I'm asking God for help to control the one thing I can control - my work quality.
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Well said Ballpeen and Brownslifer.
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I don't think Quinn would've been, or any athlete for that matter (any athlete that knows anything about God) was praying "God, help us win".
Perhaps I took it wrong, but it certainly looked like he was thanking God that Phil made that kick. I guess it's only natural...so long as he wasn't thanking God that what's his name missed the one at the end of the game.
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This is the kind of thread that I like.  ...If anybody can get the chance, watch the movie "Facing the Giants"..great movie and very Christian based, also, it shows how prayer isn't just for winning but to do your best in the game... 
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Hey Vette, you know there could be a chance that he is praying to play to the best of his abilities...
Why are there so many smart ass comments on this board?
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I'd pray for strength, courage, focus, healing or whatever the moment called for (for both my teammates and myself). I'd also thank God for helping me perform the best I could (win or lose). All this comes under the heading of wanting to do one's best for God's glory and not necessarily our own. For believers, this is a key part of exercising our faith.
Add "that no one gets hurt" and you've covered it. I don't think your average Christian prays for someone to win or lose....or miss a field goal or fumble, or for DA to do badly so Brady can get in. 
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I thought he did that after the FG went in..like thank you god....i didn't see him on his knees looking up at the heavens praying...
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I know I use prayer in times when I need stillness in my heart, soul, mind. I pray because it calms my soul in times of anxiety and or crisis. He could have been praying for such calm.
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Perhaps I took it wrong, but it certainly looked like he was thanking God that Phil made that kick.
I thought the same thing, Vette. Especially the way he smiled and pointed toward the sky...kind of like "Yes, you da Man!" I'm not saying that's what he was thinking, but that's how it looked. :shrug:
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Yeah, I don't mind him praying before the game, halftime, or after the game, but after throwing a touchdown, he always points to the sky and it is like he is saying "thank you god". Quite frankly, I think that it is stupid and ridiculous. God does not help yout throw touchdowns, and he doesn't care whether you win or lose. Matt Stover has done it for years after making a field goals, and Brady looks more stupid doing it then him. Brady, God does not have anything to do with you throwing TDs!
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Lots of receivers/running backs kneel an pray after scoring a touchdown. Does that bother everyone on here as well?
Just curious, as I really don't know what Quinn was praying about; every other athlete that prays on the field should be scrutinized as well. Personally, it does not matter to me one way or the other.
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Really? If BQ believes in God, as he obviously does, you don't think he believes God gave him the talent to perform well? It isn't possilbe that he's acknowledging that and giving thanks to God? Why is it stupid to recognize God for giving you the physical tools to be successful? God may not care if BQ throws a TD, but I'm sure He is pleased that He is given thanks for what a person has been blessed with to be able to score a TD.
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I doubt that God would entertain the thought of 'fixing' the game for one team over the other because you, I or BQ begs him to.
If someone saw another praying, how can they be convinced they know what the other is praying for?
Notre Dame is a Catholic University. So who is surprised that Brady Quinn would be at least somewhat religious?
He prayed on the sideline. What did he pray for?
I once heard of an interview with a boxer. The reporter made the comment that he observed the boxer stood in his corner and prayed before each match. "Are you praying to win?", he asked the boxer.
"No sir", came the reply, "I'm praying that neither me or my opponent gets hurt real bad."
"But you don't pray to win the match. Why not?"
Puzzled, the boxer said to the interviewer, "Well, what if the other guy was praying to win too? Then what's God supposed to do?"
If BQ is religious after spending four years at a Catholic school I'd be doubting very much that he prayed for Phil Dawson to make that field goal. People who aren't spiritual think that way however. "Dear God, let him make that kick so I can win my second start."
If I cared to guess what he was praying for, and I really don't but for the sake of this thread I'll pose a scenario, I'd guess that he was praying for the strength to be at his best in this time when his teammates and the fans need him to be focused and mentally prepared. To help him settle down and face the challenge ahead, (successful field goal or not), with a clear mind, his earned level of confidence and to be prepared to deal with whatever the outcome may be in the end. Amen.
Sometimes the best/only prayer I can muster is asking for God to help me accept the outcome. His will.
Really though, I have no idea. Nor do I care. It's his business not ours. We wouldn't even know about it had the camera not lingered on the man's private moment. He's obviouosly not ashamed of his faith or he'd have "hid it under a bushel" and not prayed in that public situation.
But I don't feel he was shoving anything up people's noses. He dosen't operate the camera and had nowhere to go to be in private at that particular time. A time when Christians have come to experience the power of prayer; In their hour of need.
I saw this become an issue in the What I Saw thread but chose not to respond hoping instead that it would fade away but it hasn't.
If Brady Quinn was praying only so that others would see him pray in an effort to show what a Godly man he is then his prayer would already have been answered. He'd have already gotten his reward which was for the observers to see him as such.
Since he attended a Catholic University I assume his life prior to that was in a spritiual environment at home and church was likely a major part of that as well. With all that religious experience I highly doubt, in fact refuse to believe, that he asked to win or did it as an attention getter.
That's all I have to say about that.
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Perhaps I took it wrong, but it certainly looked like he was thanking God that Phil made that kick.
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I thought the same thing, Vette. Especially the way he smiled and pointed toward the sky...kind of like "Yes, you da Man!" I'm not saying that's what he was thinking, but that's how it looked. :shrug:
Now that he could have been doing and there's certainly nothing wrong with that.
But not like, "Yea, you answered my prayer". But since all good things come from God, and that kick was a good thing, and that Phil was probably doing the same kind of praying BQ was doing at right about the same time. (He may not have knelt at mid-field but I'd bet there was an intimate conversation going on for a moment.)
BQ could have been giving thanks for the good thing and acknowledging the source of it.
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BQ pointing to the sky after Dawson's FG wasn't my biggest complaint...to be honest, I think it's silly to give thanks to a space god instead of the guy who booted the ball, but if that's what he believes, it's what he believes...hard not to be yourself in exuberance.
My problem was before the last drive, when he kneeled down at the edge of the sidelines and prayed, making the sign of the cross and pointing to the sky before heading onto the field. It wasn't the worst thing in the world, and to be honest, if something I'd said in "What I Saw" had gotten so much attention, I wish it would've been my observation that McGinest got stonewalled by Roscoe Parrish.
But I think such a display is no more garish and silly than Chad Johnson donning a fake HOF jacket. There are ways to celebrate and ways to pray without it feeling slightly attention-seeking. And maybe it's ticky-tacky, but how about spending those precious seconds talknig about the game in front of you instead of the whole prayer motion?
Again, it was a mild observation that IMO really doesn't deserve so much attention...
It does remind me of a funny little essay by an ex-"Simpsons" writer...he begins the piece with a quote from Orel Hershiser crediting God for one of his World Series wins, and goes on with an angel frantically trying to convince God to act on several hundred people who are about to die in a flood...God isn't paying much attention, though, as he's absorbed in rooting for the Dodgers.
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you guys all got it wrong.... all he was doing was trying to distract him (God) so the wind would stop blowing  dub....that boxer quote is classic.... kinda reminds me of the jim carrey movie when he answers everyones prayers with the computer and the next day thousands of people hit the lottery, and after its split they all get a few bucks.....lol and on a more serious note i agree, that he's probably praying for others....i'm not to religious, but i've found the best prayer is "thy will be done"....cuts down on the let downs...
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What Brady does is his own thing.
I saw shots of him with his head down and his eyes closed. Not sure if he was technically praying. If he was, so what.
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May I flame the fires? 
Let him pray till he's blue in the face. What harm can it do? God doesn't answer prayers. The Universe is interpreted by mathematics, and the only thing that affects it is causality.
I believe in a higher power.
I believe a gust of wind can cause a football to have it's trajectory changed.
I don't believe the higher power answers a prayer by causing a gust of wind to change a footballs trajectory.
BUT, if by praying, such a prayer gives a person the calm required to perform a function, then pray to your hearts content.
Call me a heretic, but I doubt God rewards Troy Polamalu for all the praying he does by giving him numerous concussions 
I believe the higher power created the Universe then set it in motion, not unlike a pool table with the higher power having won the lag for the break  I often thank the higher power....."God"......for allowing me to experience it. *shrug* What's the big deal?
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Call me a heretic, but I doubt God rewards Troy Polamalu for all the praying he does by giving him numerous concussions
That's how God answers my prayers... 
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You cannot petition the Lord with prayer.
Well i'm not religious in the slightest so it's probably gonna be obvious that i don't get half this stuff. 
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I will tell you exactly what I prayed for....That He gave me the wisdom to make correct decisions. That nobody was hurt in the contest and that all the players on the field played to the best of their ability .
I am smart enough to know God isn't going to favor my players over theirs, so just let everybody play well and let the chips fall where they may.
Why would God grant someone wisdom to make good decisions in a (probably) low level Baseball game? (Or a World Series for that matter?) Why would God even have a passing interest in that? 
Nobody getting hurt in the contest i can understand the reasoning behind....that being said, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference.
I tore an ACL playing soccer 7 years ago and haven't played since....maybe i shoulda prayed harder....oh wait, Christians get hurt/paralyzed in sports too....what difference does it make? You can't change these things.
As for playing to the best of your ability, if there is a God i'm guessing he/she has other more pressing concerns than the kid that dropped a catch.
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Really? If BQ believes in God, as he obviously does, you don't think he believes God gave him the talent to perform well? It isn't possilbe that he's acknowledging that and giving thanks to God? Why is it stupid to recognize God for giving you the physical tools to be successful? God may not care if BQ throws a TD, but I'm sure He is pleased that He is given thanks for what a person has been blessed with to be able to score a TD.
God must really hate Ryan Leaf.....or maybe, Ryan Leaf hates God.
Me? I'm giving thanks to my own Gods, Phil Dawson and the O line. Phil made the kick, and the O Line gave him time to do it.
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I believe there are a lot of people in this thread trying to tell others what God thinks or how he acts. Then their are the others who still pretend God doesn't exist 
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This is the kind of thread that I like. ...If anybody can get the chance, watch the movie "Facing the Giants"..great movie and very Christian based, also, it shows how prayer isn't just for winning but to do your best in the game...
I've seen it and you are correct.. not once did they every pray for a win,, just the strength and courage to do the best they can..
Don't know if that's what BQ is praying for..
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I'm breaking with a personal rule of mine. Don't discuss religion, gun control, politics, the abortion issue....etc.
Apparently, Brady is a person a faith. Not a bad thing IMO (unless it turns you into a terrorist or a genuine PITA).
In my own personal opinion, the concept behind prayer was not intended to include the outcome of a sports contest (unless life and death hung in the balance, which is not usually the case in modern times - unless you're a Columbian soccer player scoring a goal against your own team in the World Cup).
Again, IMO, prayer is for the well being of people (usually family members and friends), for world peace, feeding the hungry, curing the sick, condolences, for the souls of dearly departed (including Raven_Killer) etc., etc. And I have no problem with a quick showing of glory to God by pointing and looking towards the heavens after scoring a TD...but to pray for your team (a group of people) to defeat the opponent (another equal group of people) is slightly childish. I doubt that God would entertain the thought of 'fixing' the game for one team over the other because you, I or BQ begs him to.
Again, I bring this up because people have noticed it and discussed it in Eo's What I Saw thread. It's a free country (thank God ) and people can chose to believe in Him or not. They can pray for whatever they want...and that includes BQ.
I've given up praying to the golf God...I just fix an extra ball mark to try and appease Him.
People pray for all kinds of reasons. Maybe he felt the need to pray for something not related to the game? I'm not sure why it matters. The man was having a moment with his Higher Power that was personal.
Just as a general life observation, when Atheists and non-believers get worked up about a person of faith's personal worship, they are the ones who are coming off intolerant.
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And when I saw the gestures, and the sitting with his head down, I just assumed he was thanking God for his abilities, and asking for the strength and peace to accept the outcome, no matter what it may be.
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As for playing to the best of your ability, if there is a God i'm guessing he/she has other more pressing concerns than the kid that dropped a catch.
God, unlike congress, can do an infinite number of things at the same time... Just because he's answering a prayer for a kid in China that needs rice or a sick person in Ecuador doesn't mean He isn't also at a football game.
Yes, I agree, he doesn't care who wins.. but He is there.
Now I can't speak for Brady Quinn, but trying to put myself in his shoes, my prayer at that moment would have gone something like this. "Lord, you blessed me with the size and speed and strength, I've put in the work, and this is what it was all for... Please give me the calmness and the clarity to do my best and to glorify you in victory or defeat. Amen"
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I think some of you guys are looking/thinking WAY too much into this.
Everyone has their own beliefs. What I believe may not be the same as what you believe. It's whatever you feel inside and if think it's ok to ask Him to help you on the football field or the field of battle it's OK. It doesn't make anything "wrong" or "right". We all interpret things differently.
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The heck with Quinn and HIS praying.. I was praying hard as hell that Lindell would miss wide right. I figure you all owe me a beer now..
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Hey, I prayed for that too. Regardless of your personal beliefs, this falls into the category of nobody's business and why do you care?
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Ya but I was praying for Dawson to make his 56 yarder, and screaming for Lindell to miss his 
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I think some of you guys are looking/thinking WAY too much into this.
Everyone has their own beliefs. What I believe may not be the same as what you believe. It's whatever you feel inside and if think it's ok to ask Him to help you on the football field or the field of battle it's OK. It doesn't make anything "wrong" or "right". We all interpret things differently.
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Regardless of your personal beliefs, this falls into the category of nobody's business and why do you care?
That sums up this entire topic quite well.
The fact that this topic is even being discussed is astoundingly sad.
What's next, are we going to criticize and debate the merits of his choice in skivvies brand, or perhaps the meaning behind his choice in hairstyle or whether or not he should use hair gel?
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The fact that this topic is even being discussed is astoundingly sad.
I was waiting for someone to finally say that.
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During or after the game?
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And now he's praying that his broken finger will heal........sheesh...... 
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
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