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Obviously RAC should go. Obviously Savage should go. I don't really want to debate that here. If you think otherwise please visit one of the other burning buildings/threads in this firestorm of a message board.
But......
Just to mix in something. It bothers me when people are talking about Randy Lerner - the business man. Has Randy Lerner accomplished anything or done anything at MBNA or elsewhere where you could say...that's a guy with business acumen?
Al Lerner was a highly respected pillar of the Cleveland community. He had a fantastic reputation in the business world and it was fortunate for the city that he was part of a group willing to bring back the franchise.
But Randy Lerner? Someone please enlighten me.
And one other question. Can someone please tell me that they have personally seen Randy Lerner at a Cleveland Browns home game? TV is fine but it would be preferable if someone has actaully seen the guy....in the stadium...on Sunday.
I know he spends most of his time at home in New York and has a passion for futbol. You could hear it at his press conference when he bought into Aston Villa?
Anyway...please...someone....tell me that they've seen Lerner at a game.
I can't recall ever seeing him even on television!
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In the end, it doesn't really matter.....he owns the team.
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As long as his checks don't bounce, you don't need an owner with football knowledge. The people running the team are in charge.....and of course you need the right people there....but you don't need a hands-on owner.
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Obviously that is your opinon, not everybodys
yes RAC should go, Savage should stay, expecting him to hit on 100% or even 75% of all his draft choices isnt fair, no GM hits every pick on the head, Savage has brought in FA and made some excellent moves to bring in other talent, just becuase that talent isnt being used correctly is not totally his fault, now if he does nothing about it thats another story, but dont forget that call might not be all his, Lerner. So to blame Savage for this isnt totally right, to fire him over it isnt right either. Obviously that my opinon.
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I will stay away from the RAC and Savage comments because I know they aren't "obvious" to many....
As for Randy, he only needs to know one thing.. Hire the one individual who can lead the team from an executive level.. beyond that I don't care if he lives in Egypt. He doesn't need to hire the right GM or the right coach or make the correct drafts, he needs to hire the ONE GUY that can fill those spots and make those decisions.. not sure he has that guy yet.
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shouldn't we be counting our blessings that he isn't an Al Davis, Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones type owner?
I don't doubt the competitiveness or willingness to go the extra mile to help their teams win in any of those 3 cases....but, I also don't doubt that they hurt their teams as often as they help them (Jones obviously hurts his team the least....but, the Pacman, Roy Williams, Tank Johnson pickups were short-sighted. All based on his gamble with TO paying off so far).
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So, what are you suggesting,, Randy fire himself.. Are you planning to picket outside the staduim until he agrees to sell the team to someone that's been successful in another business?
He's doing what any non-football owner should do, he hires what he feels are the most competitant FOOTBALL people and then gets the hell out of the way.. Exactly as it should be..
But did he really hire the best,, that's a pretty good question.. and did his lack of personal business success cause him to be a horrible judge of talent to run the team?
Well, his father did plenty, very very very successful business man and yet, when it came to hireing football people, he didn't exactly get it right either.
So what he did in his past probably doesn't hold as much weight as you may think it should. There have been plenty of people that are truly successful in other businesses and can't run a football team.. The family that owned the Pats for instance.. Or how about Dan Snyder of the Redskins.. Super successful with his tech business,, but a flop as an owner up to now.. (actually, he may have it right now, but it took him 10 years or so to do it)
How about Houston,,, billionaire/successful owner,, lousy team,, Atlanta,, Billionaire/successful owner, lousy team, Miami, Jacksonville, Vikings, Bears, Lions, Buffalo, the Jets,..
All have billionaire owners that have been successful in other careers.. I'll Ralph Wilson a break,, he had some great years and he's gotta be 300 years old now...
I understand your frustration, but I don't think there is anything that can be done about the ownership of the Browns.. I don't see him selling them anytime soon.. at all actually.
As for him attending games,, I believe he comes to every home game.. Not sure how many he sees on the road however.
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I posted this because I'm not sure he's interested at all in the Browns. He just happened to be the successor to his father's trust. He's not a Cleveland guy, he's a New Yorker. And the one thing that we know he did do was buy a controlling interest in a soccer team in Europe.
I understand people not wanting him to Al Davis or any other owner that fancies himself smarter than the football people he hires to run the joint.
But I do want an owner that at least comes to the games, shows his face in the office and has a passion for seeing the franchise succeed. I don't know that we have that here.
We have:
1. An owner, not from Cleveland, who did not buy the team, who does not choose to live here, but who chooses to purchase a soccer team in Europe.
2. A General Manager that seems to despise managing anything, other than his hands on scouting trips all over the country. A guy who might rather go to the dentist than end up in a press conference. And a guy who has an ego more fragile than a Ming vase.
3. A Head Coach who wants to "try" and give his team a "chance" at the end of games to win. A publicly stoic gentleman, a first time head coach at any level, a guy that is indefensibly awful at in game management be it clock or personnel, and a guy that rightly should be very worried about his job.
Isn't there a chance that ultimately the last two examples should end up answering to SOMEONE!....ANYONE
....well anyone not dropping f bombs on the other end of a blackberry 18 minutes after a football scrum, i mean match, i mean game.
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I understand your frustration, but I don't think there is anything that can be done about the ownership of the Browns.. I don't see him selling them anytime soon.. at all actually.
I have always hoped that someday we could be the next Packer-style franchise,....don't "The People" own Green Bay ?? I would buy a share of Browns stock in a New York minute,....
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Would you rather have Al Davis?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I had forgotten about that option. That would be great. Would love to go to the board meetings in the stadium like the Packers do. I have no doubt the local fans could put together 800M to buy out Randy. And then he could then buy two maybe three other soccer teams! Oh joy for him! 
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You should reread my posts...or hath the universe you alluded to doth make a new one right before my very eyes.
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Seriously, what would you pay for a share ?
I would give $1000.
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If they set the share price at $100. I would have no problem ponying up at least 10 if not more. Depends on the voting rights. I could be cajoled into much more than that if I had the ability to vote. Thanks for the idea....let's lead the charge!!! 
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Dear Randy, Hire the "Oz"......... President/CEO..... Or ,,, just Emplode it again and start all over again with a bunch of non-proven track record people like we have now.. 
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I would give $1000.
You could add several zeroes to that number and still not be able to buy a share. The NFL outlawed the "public company" idea after it was so successful in Green Bay. It scares the crap out of them that they have NO CONTROL over that franchise and can't pressure them or lean on them to make a decision.
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Green Bay is the only team with this form of ownership structure in the NFL; such ownership is technically in direct violation of league rules, which stipulate a limit of 32 owners of one team and one of those owners having a minimum 30% stake. However, the Packers corporation was grandfathered when the NFL's current ownership policy was established, and are thus exempt.
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have always hoped that someday we could be the next Packer-style franchise,....don't "The People" own Green Bay ?? I would buy a share of Browns stock in a New York minute,....
I'm pretty confident that that will never happen again.. I cant' remember why they let it happen up there, but they did and I remember it being a one time thing.....
I'll try and talk to a friend of mine that's a diehard Pack fan and ask him..
But remember this,, that was done at a time when the teams weren't worth what they are today... today a team like the Browns would be worth in excess of a billion dollars.... That's like 20 million shares at 50.00 per...whew
One other thing to remember.. while the fans have stock in the Packers, it's more of a token thing. they can't vote to fire someone or anything. Kinda the same thing that happened with the Indians a number of years back.
Dick Jacobs sold non-voting stock in the indians, raised something like 50 million and then sold the whole shebang to the Dolans. Basically, he made a killing......
But it meant nothing..
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Lets see how Randy handles this situation first before we go burning him on a stake. He's had only one chance, and he made a bad decision.
He is not the first owner to do that, all the owners, even the best make mistakes.
What if Randy goes out and get Cowher? Or stay with Savage and go get Cowher as just a HC? And we start winning.
I say, which I know means nothing, wait to judge Randy.....just cuz he has a soccer team, and is seemingly not here as much, doesn't mean he doesn't care.
Relax on Randy...let him handle this first.
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I understand your frustration, but I don't think there is anything that can be done about the ownership of the Browns.. I don't see him selling them anytime soon.. at all actually.
I have always hoped that someday we could be the next Packer-style franchise,....don't "The People" own Green Bay ?? I would buy a share of Browns stock in a New York minute,....
Newer NFL by-laws don't allow that set-up anymore.
Someone has to be a majority owner...that was the problem the Rooneys had a few months ago.....none of the brothers had enough stock in the company and they couldn't figure out who was going to sell to who for what price.
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just clicking...
What is an owner "supposed" to do?
An owner is not a coach nor a GM unless he wants to be like Jerry Jones or Al Davis.
Is that what Browns fans want, Jerry Jones or Al Davis?
Is there anyone that wants Randy Lerner to be like Jerry Jones or Al Davis?
I see the typical NFL owner as someone who is rich, who has been interested in football and has the money and integrity to be an NFL owner.
Does Randy Lerner fit that bill?
As far as Randy Lerner's past, he has been successful in business and is worth somewhere around a $1 billion to 1.5 billion.
Lerner has been a Browns fan since he was a child and attended the games with his dad Al Lerner. Lerner wants to see this franchise succeed and he "knows" what he does not know...he knows he is not a coach or GM and has stated that it's his desire to hire people who have the expertise to run this franchise successfully with the goal of winning a NFL championship.
Lerner thought he had done that after hiring Crennel and Savage and in fact, many if not most fans were very happy with last season's result, just missing the playoffs with a 10-6 record. I didn't hear any of you "carping" fans say anything negative about Lerner before this season either...just a few short months ago.
Anyone that looked at the schedule this year and thought the Browns would repeat last season's 10-6 record was not being very realistic, IMO.
Now, what did Randy Lerner do in the last few months to deserve your critisim?
Did Lerner not spend every cent of cash that was asked of him to spend to improve and build this team in the off season?
It was clear, this was going to be a tough year, after seeing our schedule. In a tough year, leaders look to see how those they have hired, react and perform in tough times. I'm sure Randy Lerner is looking at what is going on and assessing the performance of all those people he hired to run "his" team.
If Randy Lerner is not happy with what he sees, he will likely make changes, which is exactly what you would expect from an owner. Now, what else do you want Randy Lerner to do?
Patients and business smarts are not something an owner expects from most fans. Fans want results and they want them "yesterday". Lerner knows this and you probably won't hear much from him until he has made up his mind to make changes or after he has already made his changes. Even, then, you won't hear much from Randy Lerner, but don't take that as any sign he does not care about the Browns. The guy is not a talker...but he's been a Browns fan longer than some of you have been alive...since he was kid...you do the math.
For all you know, Lerner may be far ahead of everyone when it comes to making the decisions needed to bring Cleveland a championship. Asking fans to be patient is like talking to wall...but do try to be patient and look at the "bigger" picture.
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Lerner rarely attends games in Cleveland, and has not at all this year. He owns the Browns still because the majority of his family's wealth was in MBNA, and then once he sold, the Browns. Basically this is his business. Outside of this and Aston Villa, he owns a small holdings company, run by John Collins, but that's it.
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http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2008/11/22/sports/nh146379.txtCommentary: Best move for Browns is a new owner Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:44 AM EST By Jim Ingraham JIngraham@News-Herald.comThere was a time — the first quarter century of the team's existence — when the Browns were viewed as the model franchise of the National Football League. There was a pride associated with the organization that was felt by its executives, its players and its fans. The team won championships. The players were civic heroes. There was an implicit trust within the community that the Browns would always do the right thing, the team would be run the right way, and, more often than not, win the big game. There was a professionalism about the Cleveland Browns that stood for something. Now we have a general manager swearing at fans. We have a player accusing the team of treating him "like a piece of meat." We have players accusing one another of quitting. We have a festering culture of suspicion and distrust between the players and management, fans and management, players and players, and players and fans. We have an owner and general manager, neither one of whom seem very comfortable in their skin, who in most cases leave it to the beleaguered head coach — who has enough problems of his own — to answer for the latest organizational blunder. Rudderless, leaderless, a lack of accountability from top to bottom. It should be embarrassing to anyone willing to take ownership of this mess. No wonder the general manager is always out of town. No wonder the owner hasn't spoken publicly about any of this for months. There should be, however, no wonder about what should happen next. It's time for Randy Lerner to sell the Browns. Clearly he hasn't the inclination, interest or stomach for running an NFL franchise. That doesn't make him a bad guy. But it does make him a foolish guy if he continues to own the team, while letting the conga line of nonsense that has paraded by this year to pass not only without comment — it is his team, after all — but without instituting any apparent apparatus to correct the dysfunctional infrastructure of an organization that seems to be inexorably creeping toward the creepy neighborhood of Al Davis. The person who traditionally answers for all of this is the name at the top of the organizational flow chart. But he ain't talking. If Lerner is uncomfortable dealing with failure, controversy and criticism, the last place he needs to be is writing the checks for an NFL team. That's why Lerner needs to get out while the getting is bad. Because it isn't going to get any better until and unless he changes his ownership style — and what evidence do we have that he will do anything of the sort? From day one, he has seemed miscast and ill-suited for the role of caretaker of the public institution that the Cleveland Browns, in effect, are. To his credit, he has tried to carry on as owner of the Browns in the footsteps of his late father. But while Al Lerner was, shall we say, reclusive, Randy Lerner is downright subterranean. That isn't going to work. That hasn't worked, and it won't work. It may work with a well-oiled, highly experienced football machine like the old Cleveland Browns once were, the New England Patriots are, and the 1980s 49ers and 1970s Steelers were. But it won't work here, with a head coach who hasn't head-coached anywhere but here, with a general manager who hasn't general-managed anywhere but here, and with an owner who hasn't owned anywhere but here. At these prices, and with their loyalty, Browns fans deserve more than that. They have the right to expect a quality, professionally run, professional football team. If Randy Lerner can't provide it, isn't interested or can't put into place an organization that can — an organization that, at the very least, can restrain itself from cursing at its fans — then it's time to put the team up for sale and let somebody else try. What's become apparent during this season of sewage is the Browns are in desperate need of a strong personality — and, no, that doesn't mean Kellen Winslow Jr. It means a personality at the top of the organization who realizes and appreciates what the Cleveland Browns once stood for, and isn't afraid to aggressively pursue a return to that, with an intelligent, mature vision in action and deeds. A person willing to ensure its fans that the team will make news only on Sundays, on the field, not Monday through Saturday off it. A person anxious to lead, and able to hire executives willing to embrace the full spectrum of their job title, not merely a narrow portion of it. A person embarrassed by what's taken place here the last 10 years, and determined to reward the loyalty of a fan base that has had to endure a numbing succession of poor decisions, lousy hires, flimsy administration and absentee ownership. Enough already. In order to be a successful NFL owner, you've got to want to want to be an NFL owner. Because Randy Lerner has shown no signs of wanting to be the latter, he has no chance of ever becoming the former. It's time to let somebody else try. JIngraham@News-Herald.com
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Amen Peen...fans need to relax and give this guy a chance.
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anyone ever wonder what would have happened if bernie would have been able to buy the browns...
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IIRC, Bernie wasn't the source of most of the money, he was just the "face" of that buying group.. so my guess is he might have been involved from the beginning in some kind of adviser role, but not much more than that...
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anyone ever wonder what would have happened if bernie would have been able to buy the browns...
every day.
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anyone ever wonder what would have happened if bernie would have been able to buy the browns...
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Amen Peen...fans need to relax and give this guy a chance.
BrownsZ....I'm not peen...lol
TO THE REST OF YOU....
NO ONE WANTS TO ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS?....WHY?
I'm not trying to kill the thread or say your opinions are wrong. My opinion is "different" than most of you and could be changed if someone posts opinions based on facts, and not just emotions.
Honestly, I don't know what Browns fans expected Randy Lerner to do, coming off of a very successful 10-6, 2007 season. I didn't hear anyone complaining about Lerner after last season and all he did going into this 2008 season was what he did going into the very successful 2007 season.
Lerner did all he could to support those who are running and coaching his team.
1... What is an owner "supposed" to do?
2... An owner is not a coach nor a GM unless he wants to be like Jerry Jones or Al Davis.
Is that what Browns fans want, Jerry Jones or Al Davis?
3...Is there anyone that wants Randy Lerner to be like Jerry Jones or Al Davis?
4...I see the typical NFL owner as someone who is rich, who has been interested in football and has the money and integrity to be an NFL owner.
Does Randy Lerner fit that bill?
5...Now, what did Randy Lerner do in the last few months to deserve your criticism?
6...Did Lerner not spend every cent of cash that was asked of him to spend to improve and build this team in the off season?
7...If Randy Lerner is not happy with what he sees, he will likely make changes, which is exactly what you would expect from an owner. Now, what else do you want Randy Lerner to do?
8...How many of you have actually looked up what Randy Lerner has said about his philosophy as an NFL owner? What management style does Randy Lerner most respect and attempt to pattern his style like?
ANYONE CARE TO COMMENT?
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Hire competent management and provide funding for whatever they need to win (within reason).. then make changes to that management if they do not produce.... Essentially, show a commitment to winning.
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Is that what Browns fans want, Jerry Jones or Al Davis?
About the 15th time I've seen these two names. It's possible to be an involved owner with his finger on the pulse of the team without medeling to the extent of a Jerry Jones or Al Davis.
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Does Randy Lerner fit that bill?
I don't know what his interest level in football is to be honest. I know he's interested in soccer... not that he can't be both but he invested in a soccer team, he fell into owning a football team.
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I don't know what was asked of him.. within the salary cap I'd say he did but as far as facilities and whatnot (finding the source of the staph infection, etc), I don't know.
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Make the changes.. find that fine line between holding people accountable and succumbing to knee jerk reactions.
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I don't believe anyone,...I know I wasn't,....talking about chucking Lerner. I DID in fact throw the bone out there about being a shareholder.
Really don't care much about Randy,...I do have a personal bias toward Al, as he was a former JarHead--you notice the Marine Corps Flag is ALWAYS flying at the stadium,....
Now if being hands-off is important, then I think Randy is one hell of an owner.
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anyone ever wonder what would have happened if bernie would have been able to buy the browns...
All depends,, would he have been a businessman owner or a coach owner. He's without a doubt football smart, and from a business standpoint, he's seems to have done pretty well for himself.
I guess a year or so ago, there was some intrigue as to if he was on drugs or booze or both! Don't know whatever came of that. Could have just been when he and Babbitt were going through the Divorce.. not sure she didn't put that out there to cause him grief or what.
But that's yesterday and that's just not going to ever happen.. Bernie doesn't have that kinda wealth... Not even close.. Bernie may be a millionaire, but it takes a billionaire to be an owner today..
What I'd love to see is Bernie as the GM of the team.... Now we are talking...That could happen. That's within the realm of the possible....
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I guess what you are suggesting is that you want to know how active does he need to be to ensure this club is on the path to the Super Bowl, with the understanding that he has demonstrated some sort of acumen that would suggest he took something, anything that was modestly successful at best, and made it even more so, giving you the reassurance that that would translate to the Browns. I have no clue as to the person that is Randy Lerner. If all he ever did was be the son of Al Lerner and the next in line to his throne than that is that. I don't feel that the owner needs to be in the store, if you know what I mean. He can live on a yacht in the Caribbean for all I care. What is important, and only time will tell, is if he can look at what he has up here on the shores of Lake Erie and say to himself, "we can do better, and I can make more money as a result." I'd say that is part of the "bottom line." The other part is the competitor part. Everyone who goes into business, stays in business or buys a business does it to best the competition and be on top. I can't say for sure either way how competitive he is in that regard. Again, I don't know the guy. What I think will be a good indicator of what kind of owner we have will be what he does, if anything, with Savage et.al. this off season. What kind of owner do I want? .....One that exudes confidence and professionalism; one that demands success and lays down the expectation that everyone in his company push themselves and everyone around them to be the best at their job. Trouble with this is I don't work for one . . . .  
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I don't feel that the owner needs to be in the store, if you know what I mean. He can live on a yacht in the Caribbean for all I care.
That, my good man, is the right attitude.
Too many people don't like Lerner for the simple fact that he isn't in the box every Sunday. Many fans want Lerner to be as passionate about the Browns as they are. It's understandable. The problem is that they don't really know how Lerner feels about it, and even if Lerner doesn't bleed Brown and Orange it doesn't mean he doesn't care about this team.
Now from everything I've seen, he's given whatever he can to try and make this team a winner. When it's time to spend money on coaches or players, the checkbook is open. We've seen first hand that he lets Opie go right after players the very moment we can contact them in free agency, and isn't afraid to spend the dough. We've seen that Lerner isn't a knee-jerk kind of owner that makes a change just because something bad happened on any given day. We've also seen that he apparently doesn't meddle in the affairs of the team the way Al Davis and Jerry Jones do.
All in all, I like what I see out of Lerner. Unfortunately, as the case may be, it's my opinion that he's done a far better job than his father did, God rest his soul.
I think it's fair to question the coaches and to a certain extent Savage, but not Lerner. We have very little information to judge him on, but what we do have suggests he'll do whatever it takes to win, and that's all we really need to know. I don't care if he sits in a hot-tub in London while the Browns are playing, just so long as he is willing to do whatever it takes to win. I believe I've seen that from him.
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If ya want to debate anything if they hired me to do the drafting this would be a dangerous team.. Thats my third attempt at humor today.. 
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Trouble is if your an owner like Jerry or AL than your a trouble maker who sticks his nose where it dosent belong, if your an owner like Randy than you dont care becuase your not sticking your nose in the NFL part, if your doing both than your causing problems and walking away leaving others to clean it up. Only one owner per year does a great job and that the Super bowl winner all the rest dont care or are trouble makers. That is unless your Dolan on the baseball side than your just plain cheep becuase you wont sign a 55 year old closer to a 20 billion 10 year contract.... 
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The only criticism I've heard of Lerner was I believe in a thread of Heldawg?s where he asked about the limit that Lerner set on spending this fiscal year.
We are not at the cap and we have more than 8M in cap room. But we are at the imposed cap as far as cash flow per Lerner...and that has been stated many times by Savage when names such as Ty Law were brought up.
I do know that that's been brought up before.
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The problem arises with an owner sittin in a hot tub watchin the games from London when things are going berzerk and the GM and HC are the cause....because no one is managing them or holding their feet to the fire.
A good owner would step in. Lead. Talk to the public. And outline a plan to move forward. And that would be that. Instead we get what we have....
And that was a great article by the News Herald guy. Pretty much echos my thoughts.
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1... What is an owner "supposed" to do?
Hire competent management and provide funding for whatever they need to win (within reason).. then make changes to that management if they do not produce.... Essentially, show a commitment to winning.
DC...Keep in mind...Savage manages the team...Crennel coaches the team...
Were you complaining about our management after last season?
I do believe you and most thought Savage did a pretty decent job after last season...correct me if I'm wrong.
Lerner has funded..and the changes you talk about, when do you expect those changes to be made?...NOW!
A good owner would continue to assess the performance of his team and make the necessary changes AFTER the season...RIGHT?
DC...tell me, do you think Lerner will make changes after this season?
How can you judge the man until after you see what he does, when the season is OVER?
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2... An owner is not a coach nor a GM unless he wants to be like Jerry Jones or Al Davis.
Is that what Browns fans want, Jerry Jones or Al Davis?
About the 15th time I've seen these two names. It's possible to be an involved owner with his finger on the pulse of the team without medeling to the extent of a Jerry Jones or Al Davis.
DC...so you want Lerner on the sidelines with his finger on the pulse of the team...then what does he do?
Again, all was fine before this season started after the 10-6 season and we are now in the last month of the season...what do you want Lerner to do..cheerlead on the sidelines.
DC, how would know if Randy Lerner had his finger on the pulse of the team, or not?...Lerner can't do anything but start firing people and what good would that do with 5 games left?
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3...Is there anyone that wants Randy Lerner to be like Jerry Jones or Al Davis?
See above.
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4...I see the typical NFL owner as someone who is rich, who has been interested in football and has the money and integrity to be an NFL owner.
Does Randy Lerner fit that bill?
I don't know what his interest level in football is to be honest. I know he's interested in soccer... not that he can't be both but he invested in a soccer team, he fell into owning a football team.
DC...have you done "any" research on Randy Lerner?
I think I already know the answer to the above question.
Do your homework before you try to judge Lerner's passion for the game of American football.
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6...Did Lerner not spend every cent of cash that was asked of him to spend to improve and build this team in the off season?
I don't know what was asked of him.. within the salary cap I'd say he did but as far as facilities and whatnot (finding the source of the staph infection, etc), I don't know.
DC...I believe you have to agree, Lerner has not been cheap with him money.
DC...the staph comment...come on man...do you really believe Lerner is not doing all he can to reduce or eliminate the staph infection problem the Browns have?...That comment is pretty weak...
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7...If Randy Lerner is not happy with what he sees, he will likely make changes, which is exactly what you would expect from an owner. Now, what else do you want Randy Lerner to do?
Make the changes.. find that fine line between holding people accountable and succumbing to knee jerk reactions.
DC...Your chasing your tail now...you want changes and accountability, according to "your fine line", but do not succumb to "knee jerk reactions"...
You sure seem to be pleading for a "knee jerk action" from Lerner at this minute...but you believe Lerner should "find that fine line between holding people accountable and succumbing to knee jerk reactions"
DC...5 games to go...can you wait that long before you judge Randy Lerner's management style?
Again, I remind all of those complaining about Randy Lerner now....WERE YOU COMPLAINING A YEAR AGO?
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