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Anderson's injury has major ramifications
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CLEVELAND -- For those who think Browns quarterback Derek Anderson's season-ending knee injury in Sunday's loss to the Indianapolis Colts was no big deal, think again.
Yes, the Browns season is over. Yes, Anderson was not the long-term solution. But this injury hurts both his trade value and the job status of Cleveland's coaching staff and front office.
With Brady Quinn penciled in as the starter in 2009, the Browns are expected to entertain trade offers for Anderson this offseason. He is owed a $5 million roster bonus in March, which is an expensive cost for a backup.
But now Anderson is damaged goods, coming off a knee injury and a bad year, which means the Browns won't get much for him. Right now a second- or third-rounder is optimistic. Maybe a fourth- or fifth-round pick is more likely.
Just several months ago the Browns could have sold high and traded Anderson for a first- and third-round pick. But the front office and the coaching staff desperately wanted Anderson to return for at least one more season.
Now those same coaches and front office workers who made that decision could be facing a stiff penalty.
The harsh truth is the Browns (4-8) are not going to win many games with third-string quarterback Ken Dorsey. Cleveland could be in line now for a 4-12 season, which for a team with playoff expectations, could force Browns owner Randy Lerner to make major changes in 2009.
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No question. Anderson's injury has a lot of ramifications on next year. I think Romeo is gone regardless, but I'm not sure what we get for Anderson. On top of it all, this now makes Savage look extemely bad for not dumping Anderson this offseason. When you or I make big mistakes at our workplaces we are held accountable. I hope Lerner holds Savage accountable for the player decisions he has made this year.
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Just several months ago the Browns could have sold high and traded Anderson for a first- and third-round pick. But the front office and the coaching staff desperately wanted Anderson to return for at least one more season.
I constantly laugh every time I read this statement, because they always want to point the finger and deny that the most important thing isn't "buying low and selling high." The most important thing is finding a QB.
The funny thing is that Walker can say that Anderson may be "damaged goods" but there's no guarantee that Quinn's finger will ever be the same either.
Whoops! Who's that at the door? Agenda, you say?
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In fact, it's entirely possible that it'll take LESS time for Anderson's surgery to heal than it would Quinn's  But nah, Walker never considered that, did he *L*
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That doesn't matter right now.. Dortsy is the starter.
Ahhhh... Shoot me. I was so looking forward to building on a win in Nashville
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Just several months ago the Browns could have sold high and traded Anderson for a first- and third-round pick. But the front office and the coaching staff desperately wanted Anderson to return for at least one more season.
The funny thing is that Walker can say that Anderson may be "damaged goods" but there's no guarantee that Quinn's finger will ever be the same either.
In fact, it's entirely possible that it'll take LESS time for Anderson's surgery to heal than it would Quinn's But nah, Walker never considered that, did he *L*
It's possible, but the "damaged goods" is related to DA's trade value, which is completely unrelated to Quinn's finger.
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...Hey Jim Walker...stuff happens, man..it's called the NFL where QB risk being taken out by their own Olineman every weekend.
Also, had the Browns dealt Anderson and Quinn broke his finger in say, the third start of the season, I could just hear you complain about the Browns not keeping Anderson, to backup Quinn.
...Then again, how many teams trade their starting QB who lead the team to 10 wins and a near playoff appearance and was named to the pro-bowl?
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If it is just damage MCL and no damage to the ACL then I don't have any worries about DA and where his value is in regard to trade, if the ACL is torn then I still think DA is trade able but might be a lower value.
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Trade Value, Fans around here will complain no matter what savage get for him, Savage could get 2 first round picks and fans would still be crying about not getting a second thrown in. Fan over value our players when it comes to trading them, we scream at DA all year and cqall him worthless but at trrade time he's worth 3 first.
DA hasnt lost any trade value becuase of this, he's a third maybe a second rounder at best, at best, teams would rather draft thier own guy and pay him less that trade for Anderson and pay him alot. His contract is more of a worry than his knee.
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In order to trade Anderson, won't we have to pay that 5 mil roster bonus to him on Mar 1?
I don't see that happening...paying the bonus, that is.
Am I correct here?
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willie...It's really hard to tell what's going to happen with the likelihood that Crennel will be gone and a new head coach in charge.
I do believe your correct about Anderson due a $5 mill. bonus.
Will a new coach want to keep Anderson and trade Quinn?
Will a new coach want to keep both QBs?
The play of Dorsey as a backup could help to decide if the Browns feel comfortable dealing Quinn or Anderson.
Many unknowns...but the first order of business is who will be coaching this team next season.
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As for trade value, what do you think we could get for all the morons in the stands that gleefully cheered that Anderson got hurt?
It's moments like that, come a few years from now, we will be starting to make some noise, maybe have a shot at the playoffs and in will come a team and smother our hopes on the arm of a QB that used to play here.
I wouldn't wish ill or take joy in another persons misfortune but sadly many drunks in the stands do. It would be poetic justice for Derek if the above occurs, and just typical of the way the ball bounces on our behalf.
Wherever Anderson ends up next year I hope he's successful. The guy gave this team his all, never bad mouthed anyone despite his suspect performances and abilities.
I have no idea where his "trade value" will be come February. At that point, beggars can't be choosers. You get what you can get. Take it or leave it.
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I'm with you on this Fletch.
I haven't heard what the injury is yet. Let's not jump ahead of ourselves.
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Browns QB Anderson suffers MCL injury Cleveland Browns quarterback Derek Anderson suffered a sprained left MCL in Sunday's 10-6 loss to the Indianapolis Colts. Starting for the first time in four games, Anderson sustained the injury when Cleveland right tackle Kevin Shaffer fell on the quarterback's leg on the Browns' final drive. The Browns did not provide an update on Anderson's condition, but he said he felt "burn and pain" and will get a further examination Monday. "I'm not encouraged by the way he came off the field," Clevelandcoach Romeo Crennel said. Anderson's injury came just five days after the Browns learned that Brady Quinn would miss the rest of the season with a broken finger. Quinn started Cleveland's previous three games after Anderson was benched. Ken Dorsey, who was 0-for-3 Sunday in his first action of the season, will start next week's game against Tennessee if Anderson is unable to play. Dorsey has not started since Week 12 of the 2005 season when he was with the San Francisco 49ers. http://www.espnstar.com/us-sports/news/detail/item160945/Browns-QB-Anderson-suffers-MCL-injury/So it appears, at least thus far, that it's a "sprained MCL". Nothing torn, no ACL damage, etc....... So in the grand scheme of things it minor vs many of the other possible outcomes.
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Wherever Anderson ends up next year I hope he's successful. The guy gave this team his all, never bad mouthed anyone despite his suspect performances and abilities.
I do think it's terrible that some fans acted in such a manner. But out of curiosity, are you a DA fan or a Browns fan?
Because wanting, hoping or calling it "poetic justice" for one of our FORMER players to beat us in the future? Makes one wonder exactly where it is your priorities are at.
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In order to trade Anderson, won't we have to pay that 5 mil roster bonus to him on Mar 1?
I don't see that happening...paying the bonus, that is.
Am I correct here?
Yes we will have to pay it unless we trade him before March 1st.
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So it appears, at least thus far, that it's a "sprained MCL". Nothing torn, no ACL damage, etc.......
So in the grand scheme of things it minor vs many of the other possible outcomes.
Sounds good right now, but gotta wait for the MRI results to be sure, so hopefully it shouldn't be more then a few days wait to know exactly what the injury is.
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I'm a Browns fan, poetic on his behalf. I'm not a "fan" of any one player. I don't buy player jersey's I buy Browns jersey's. Players come and go . . . . It just sickens me that people applaud bodily injury. I applaud when an opposing player stinks up the joint, but never ever when someone gets hurt. EVER. I was raised better. But again, I don't know what his "value" will be here or elsewhere . . . I just think he's a good guy, gives it his best and I wish nothing but the best for anyone trying to make a living, and quite frankly I don't care where they live or who signs their paychecks. I buy Browns gear, Pitt . . . Browns gear. . . . Not DA. or Winslow, or Couch, or Brown or "any one player in particular" gear. I'm not "loyal" to a player . . . that's ridiculousness.  edit: Don't read into this as me being rude. I just want to be clear is all I intend.
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That's cool Bud. And I agree with you as it pertains to some people in the stands. I had a physical altercation after the Browns/Ravens game where people cheered Couch going down. I pretty much told them to STFU when they cheered his injury. Afterwords, outside the stadium, they were waiting. In hindsight, I'm sure if they had it to do over again, they would have went on to their vehicle instead of waiting.  But yes, I can understand your frustration and have been in a very similar situation. I just found some of your comments a tad confusing but you cleared that up. Thanks.
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I'm just hoping the preliminary indications are correct. IMO that would be about the best possible outcome for everyone concerned. Trade or no trade.
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A new regime might bring bring him back.
I'm of the thought that guys like DA and BE need coached up a bit, their heads put back on straight and reevaluated. I'm not a huge DA fan but his success would most likely mean Brown's success and I'm all for that.
This team needs an entire new thought process (has there been one?) and they have most of the guys in place to succeed.
In short, if we can't get anything for him...keep him. These guys have to deal with their egos and feelings the best they can like we must handle work situations.
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Torn MCL.. no surgery needed. 4-6 weeks in brace according to Browns press release. clevelandbrowns.com...
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3737365Anderson has torn knee ligament; Winslow has high ankle sprain ESPN.com news services Updated: December 1, 2008, 5:04 PM ET Comment Email Print BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns quarterback Derek Anderson is out for the rest of the season after tearing a knee ligament in Sunday's game against Indianapolis. NFL.com Video Watch highlights from the Indianapolis Colts' 10-6 win over the Cleveland Browns. An MRI revealed Anderson tore the medial collateral ligament in his left knee when he was sacked in the final minutes of Cleveland's 10-6 loss. Anderson, making his first start since Nov. 2 after being benched for Brady Quinn, will not need surgery. He will be placed in a brace and will need four to six weeks to recover. A Pro Bowler last season, Anderson started Cleveland's first eight games before he was pulled in favor of Quinn, who suffered a season-ending finger injury last week. Quinn is still deciding on whether to have surgery. Also, Browns tight end Kellen Winslow will miss Sunday's game against the Titans with a high ankle sprain. He will be in a walking boot for at least a week. Winslow got hurt in the third quarter while blocking on a running play and did not return. He was already playing with a sprained right shoulder. Winslow was limping badly in the locker room after the game and left the stadium wearing a walking boot. With Anderson out, Ken Dorsey will start at quarterback against the Tennessee Titans. Crennel said the team will attempt to sign a veteran as Dorsey's backup and that return specialist Joshua Cribbs, who played quarterback at Kent State, could have his role expanded in Cleveland's offense. Cribbs took one snap Sunday in the shotgun formation and has lined up at quarterback periodically this season. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report. Related Topics: NFL, Cleveland Browns, Derek Anderson, Kellen Winslow, Kellen Winslow Jr.
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Well NO injury is good news.
But in the case of the knee, this is about as good as it gets. No surgery. He'll be healthy for voluntary work outs, training camp, pre season and such.
And in terms of trade value if that's the direction the FO takes, this really shouldn't hurt much if any. I think the question people may consider asking themselves is..........Could a DA playing have hurt his trade value more?
I guess we'll never really know the answer to that one for sure........
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I keep asking myself,, what if? What if Dorsey goes down, we put in Cribbs and he turns out to be the best QB of them all.. Anyone wanna bet against that kid? I sure as hell don't!
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Pit...no surgery is the best news Anderson and the Browns could have gotten with a MCL injury.
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And what if we put Cribbs back there and he gets seriously injured w/ this revolving door right side OL we have? What if we lose our best special teamer in years and game changer?
That's the other side of that coin and a serious one at that.
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I keep asking myself,, what if? What if Dorsey goes down, we put in Cribbs and he turns out to be the best QB of them all..
Anyone wanna bet against that kid? I sure as hell don't!
It won't happen, so don't get your hopes up. 
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Dang, you and DP017 are real buzzkills aren't ya Just remember, it was only last week that I was told that the odds of losing both Quinn and Anderson was remote.. So anything could happen.
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Just remember, it was only last week that I was told that the odds of losing both Quinn and Anderson was remote..
So anything could happen.
EXACTLY.
And w/ this franchise, that would be icing on the cake to lose Cribbs to some stupid QB thing.
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I'd have to say that if work ethic, heart, the willingness to do ANYTHING to help this team win and desire is what it takes for him to succeed at it, I sure wouldn't bet against him.
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The ramifications of DA's injury have been bugging me... For DA, this is a killer. This was a great chance for DA to improve his value in the minds of the other NFL teams. This affects not only the picks we will command, but also his ability to negotiate a long-term deal with the team that acquires him. It is likely that the team that acquires him will at least bring in strong "option B", as I don't see an NFL team ready to turn over their entire organization to DA with full confidence that he is their long-term starter. I feel bad for the kid. I am a BQ fan, but I think DA played well and played hard for us and I'm disappointed in how this turned out. I also wonder about the impact a home teams fans cheering an injured player has on future free agent acquisitions. I know money talks more than anything, but I am sure other teams will use that as just another reason for a player not to choose Cleveland. The draft pick thing hurts the Browns, but saying this has cost the Browns a 1st and 3rd is silly. First off, I'm not convinced any team was willing to pay that high of a cost for DA after last year. Even if so, the Browns had no clue what they had in Quinn. Keeping both players and seeing what they had in both was the right thing to do. And, believe it or not, we did actually think we were going to be in the playoff hunt this year... The last two weeks have proven just how important it is to have AT LEAST one good backup QB. So, the best we could have hoped for was that DA comes in and plays well enough the next few weeks to garner a #2 in return. And even that would probably be conditional. The emotional impact on the team will hurt in that no matter how hard they try, this was the final nail in the coffin of this season and the players know they are playing out the string. This could impact the development of our younger players. Add that onto the fact that we didn't get to see enough of Quinn to be completely sure he is going to be our long-term answer at QB. The last two weeks have been a killer on what could have been some building blocks for the future... 
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I guess all the available players will have to choose to play arena ball if they don't want to get booed. I'm not saying it's okay to boo an injury, but general booing happens -- right or wrong. I'm not so sure why this is such a big deal...fans of every team do it.
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It's not that it's really that big of a deal - if the players have that thin of skin, they won't be around long - like Jerry Glanville said - If you listen to the fans, you'll be up there with them.
Booing a player for poor performance is one thing. Cheering their injury is another. Especially in this day and age with all the pampered prima donnas with paper-thin egos, this has a bigger impact on team performance than ever before...
And it's not just here or on bad teams. See TO's tear-riddled lament for "his QB" last season...
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I guess all the available players will have to choose to play arena ball if they don't want to get booed. I'm not saying it's okay to boo an injury, but general booing happens -- right or wrong. I'm not so sure why this is such a big deal...fans of every team do it.
I don't believe it's the booing, but the creering of an injury to our player.
If I was a highly regaurded FA, especially a QB. The last place I would want to play is Cleveland. Every QB who's been here since '99, has been booed and a couple were cheered when injured. When a player like DA says he knows the fans hate him, as bad as he might play, that's a sad statement about the fans.
I just can't believe that Cleveland fans, nottice I didn't say Browns fans, since the true Browms fans , would never cheer one of their own players for getting injured. can't see what this is doing to the reputation of the city and the franchise.
This USED to be the greastest fan base, but with actions like these, we are looking more like just a bunch of drunken ingrates. 
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I keep asking myself,, what if? What if Dorsey goes down, we put in Cribbs and he turns out to be the best QB of them all..
Anyone wanna bet against that kid? I sure as hell don't!
How much? I need some extra cash for Christmas gifts this year, hehe.
Cribbs gives us the best chance if we want to run the option, but other than that, there's nothing there.
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He's definately a team guy who's a hard worker and who's willing to do anything asked of him to try to help this team win. I think he is one guy who has earned our full support!
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Anyone wanna bet against that kid? I sure as hell don't!
How much? I need some extra cash for Christmas gifts this year, hehe.
Cribbs gives us the best chance if we want to run the option, but other than that, there's nothing there.
I agree with you to an extent. But I can see how some designed plays could utilise him part time in the pocket. Like a designed Vick like roll out. Where if they feel is going to run, A LB or CB will drop coverage to cover the run. Then Cribbs just lobs a few 8-12 yarders.
Especialy if you worked it off the play action. There are a lot of ways he could be utilised. He may not have the QB experience to throw deep or to WR's who are pretty well covered. But I think he enough of a run threat that D's may be forced to collapse and leave some easy, short targets he might well be able to capitalise on.
Not as the starter mind you, but in more of a deversified role which may include some of the passing described above. Sort of spelling Dorsey from time to time.
And I know I'm going to hear "But that would take thought and planning so Chud would never do that."
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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