DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Instead, we have Wimbley and Oshinowo out of football

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I figure in 20 or so years we will have holographic display systems. Instead of a flat panel TV, you have a coffee table like space in your living room that projects a 3d hologram of the program.

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The mystery is going to be what we do with him when his contract is up.........

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or if we will ever get a D cord. smart enough to let him blitz from the LB position while moving him around to keep the O guessing

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The mystery is going to be what we do with him when his contract is up.........

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or if we will ever get a D cord. smart enough to let him blitz from the LB position while moving him around to keep the O guessing.

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That only works if the guy in question has ability as a pass-rusher. To this point, Wimbley has the speed to turn the corner........and nothing else.

If moving him around to fool the defense allows his speed to get a sack, then we're talking about a scheme creating confusion, not the player.

As for a competent D cordinator.......mum's the word

I have to go by the eye-ball test on that one: When I see the defense at the snap of the ball, do I have a pretty good idea where the rush is coming from? If the answer is no, it's a good thing. Unfortunately, far too many times this year I've not been fooled by what Tucker throws out there, and that's quite a bit different than judging pass-rush ability for each individual player.

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That only works if the guy in question has ability as a pass-rusher. To this point, Wimbley has the speed to turn the corner........and nothing else.

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Be honest here Toad. What moves does Joey Porter have that Kam doesn't

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I didn't hear you complaining after his rookie season...

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For the fun of it, I looked up 2005 here's a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft

No big deal, it's not like we drafted Braylon Edwards when Demarcus Ware, Shaun Merriman, Luis Castillo, and Logan Mankins were still on the board.

As for the 3rd round, it's not like we drafted Charlie Frye when Justin Tuck, Marion Barber, or Brandon Jacobs, were still on the board.

-Yeah, you can consider 2005 a complete failure also.

Don't worry, we'll comment on 2007 in a couple years, and there's no doubt in my mind that 2007 will eventually be regarded as a complete failure.


I'd comment on 2004, but that was Butch Davis's mess. -I'm glad we drafted Winslow in the top 10 though, considering that the Steelers picked Heath Miller in the high 20's a year later. - We sure wound up with the better tight end.

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You didn't hear me say much negative about Romeo last year either...again...it's stupid to complain if things are getting done.

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That only works if the guy in question has ability as a pass-rusher. To this point, Wimbley has the speed to turn the corner........and nothing else.

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Be honest here Toad. What moves does Joey Porter have that Kam doesn't

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I think we get a new coach, go back to the 3-4, and Wimbley goes back to DE.

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I don't remember, but if you say so.....

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I think we get a new coach, go back to the 3-4, and Wimbley goes back to DE.

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Go back to the 3-4?

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I don't remember, but if you say so.....

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Am I the only one that remembers Peens call to have RAC fired after One Game last season......

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I recall it as well but it doesn't matter. He's always been wishy-washy.

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Peen,,, respectfully, I totally and completely disagree with you,,,

Yours is just another in a long line of Knee Jerk reactions..

And all the ass kickings in the world will not substitute for quality players, which until this year, I don't think RAC had enough of...

Now, this year, I see that he does... I think so anyway... SO this is the year.,.

But the WHOLE YEAR, not one freaking game,,.,, Too soon...

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Dumping a coach after ONE game IS giving up,,,, TOTALLY Giving up...

Listen Peen,,, RAC needs this year with decent players to show his ability to coach., If he can't get it done,, if he doesn't show MAJOR improvement in this team (nothing like sunday),, then I'll be right there with you holding the rail that we can ride him out of town on,,'


I just happen to think it's too early!

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Once again, I gave it all last year and was rewarded with a decent season..

And like I said, at some point, if the team doesn't go the distance, I'd be right there with Peen saying it's time for RAC to go.

That's the position I take now.. I've seen enough.

Thanks Shep.... I didn't think I'd gone completely round the bend

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Stopping the run is irrelevant.

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I think we get a new coach, go back to the 3-4, and Wimbley goes back to DE.

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Go back to the 3-4?

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who knows how Wimbley would be doing with the Ravens?

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I'd like to see Kam develop a bullrush move in the offseason

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The key difference is that Porter has the strength to create enough leverage to throw off a tackle.

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But I just thought then, that you were being over reactive after one game.. I still feel you were.

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Well, I do tend to be ahead of the curve on many things.

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Well, I do tend to be ahead of the curve on many things.

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You are also excellent at spinning.... ever thought of a run for congress?

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You're allowed to debate me face to face...you don't have to be afraid and back door it...lol

If anything its more insulting in a Back door fashion.

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As I've unfortunately stated before, you're too-easily insulted, often by something that isn't actually intended as such.

If anything, you of all people should know I've no reservations about insulting anyone directly

To put this in terms you'll appreciate, DeepThreat is a youngin' relative to my age. As I do at work, where I mentor several young men, I try and impart correct information based on any given situation. While that information is based on my opinion, my expertise gives me the ability to make an informed opinion. To that end, I was speaking directly to DeepThreat to express that such an opinion is flawed, so that he himself doesn't begin to think in such a fashion.

However, if it will satisify the demands of your desire for direct debate, then here goes:

Eo, that's a cop-out

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Now your typical debate...what does Green have to do with Defense...There are basics that you are totally ignoring to make your point, whatever that may be.

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Far from it.

Before I continue, I'm going to make sure your mind is viewing this from the correct angle, which is that Wimbley as the player in judged based solely on his own play.

So, while William Green would have looked better behind an offensive line made up of all-pro's, and worse behind a line made up of expanion-team rejects, the proper way to judge him is based solely upon what he brings to the table as a player.

Same goes for Wimbley.

He either has enough rush ability to be effective or he doesn't. The defensive unit plays no role in that judgement.

If the discussion revolves around the defense as a unit then that's a different angle.

So would Wimbley be more effective as a Raven? Probably. Does that mean his lack of production can be excused because he plays for a LESS effective defense, and as a result his selection and the judgement that follows should be less critical? Never.

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But that is what I was talking about its about BECOMING all that you can be. Developing and getting better not retarding. You talk about Wimbley like he has no skill sets at all.

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As a rusher, no, he doesn't bring much to the table. His one skill is the dip-under speed rush. By this point in his career, he should have developed all the moves he needs to be an effective pass-rusher. He's failed. I"ve focused on him numerous times when rewatching games, and what I see is unfortunate for the Browns. He lacks the other rush moves which set up the bull-rush. Without the ability to execute numerous other moves, a blocker can simply focus on the one thing he does well. Since Wimbley lacks enough power to push a tackle, the ability to execute an effective spin or swim, blockers only need to focus on running him well-past the pocket where he can do no damage.

I did note that he's actually improved when moving away from the LOS, which is ironic since that's the part of his game the coaches worried about the most.

So no, we're going to disagree that Wimbley can get better because of the defensive unit. It remains possible that he can be more effective if the unit is improved, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking specifically about Wimbley the player, not his effectiveness in any given defensive unit.

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What's even funnier you actually proved my point with Baxter of course adding your Safety Guacamole in their which made no sense. But he was a darn good Corner within that defense. And coming here as an individual there is not much you can do. During that time and almost still (cause of the lack of a pass rush) it would be very hard for him to be a good corner. Thank you for proving my point

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Actually, Baxter was a very STIFF corner. It's unfortunate you either couldn't recognize that or choose not to remember.

Regarding the talk about the "safety guacamole".....Baxter started often at Safety for the Rats. I felt that he'd eventually end up being a safety for us because I didn't feel he was a very good corner, having his weakness's disguised by a very good Ravens defense

It's too bad that doesn't make sense to you. I'd expect you to understand it better.