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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3752018Sources: Browns eye Schottenheimer for potential vacancy ESPN.com news services Updated: December 7, 2008, 12:25 PM ET Comment Email Print If Romeo Crennel is fired by the Browns, a familiar name to Cleveland fans could get a chance to return to coach the team. AFC North blog ESPN.com's James Walker writes about all things AFC North in his division blog. • Blog network: NFL Nation The Browns are looking very hard at bring back Marty Schottenheimer to the place where he got his NFL head coaching start, team sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen. Schottenheimer has been out of coaching since he was fired by the Chargers after a 14-2 season in 2006. His resume and his desire to coach a team with some playoff potential could entice him to return, even though he has not stated publicly he's ready to come back. With a regular-season record of 200-126-1 with Cleveland, Kansas City, Washington and San Diego, Schottenheimer is the most successful coach never to have reached the Super Bowl.
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Good.
The notion that Shot is a bad fit because he didn't get to the Super Bowl is flawed IMHO.
I defended Cowher in this regard, just as I defended Peyton in this regard. Neither guy was good enough to win the big one until, you know, they won the big one 
Simply put, Shot has been a winner everywhere he's gone. He got a raw deal when that idiot Dan Snyder in Washington dumped a proven HC for Spurrier, then got another raw deal when he was let go after a 14-2 season. 
How are those moves working out, San Diego and Washington?
I'm totally on board with either Cowher or Marty. It's time for PROVEN coaches, not unproven ones.
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I loved Marty when he was here, but the guy's going to turn 66 a month into next year's season. I'm really hoping we could bring in someone younger to keep for a long time, like the Titans have done with Fisher and Pittsburgh did with Cowher.
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I'm for either Marty or Cowher....Both will bring a new attitude to this team and both are winners...although Marty being 65 does hold some bearing he would at least set the foundation for the next coach..
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We have not agreed much lately. But on this I am in total accord with you. I said earlier in the season that Marty would be the perfect choice for this team. Cowher would be an excellent choice as well.
Unfortunately, I don't think Cowher is ready to come back. That TV "high life" is pretty enticing, IMO.
And Marty has said several times on Sirius radio that he's not interested in coming back. Our only hope here is that he may want to finish his career where he started it. And to erase the taste of what SD did to him. I hope he does. He's been a winner everywhere he's been. I'm pretty sure his second turn in Cleveland would be no different.
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Well, I bet I know how this reporter got his information... He must read this board and must have keyed in on my suggestion a few weeks ago  Just kidding... I'm good with Marty or Bill... I can't think of another coach that could even remotely be consided as someone readily accepted by the fans... other than these two I mean.
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There we agree Toad, I want Coaches that have done it before. I'm sick of hoping that a guy has what it takes, lets get someone we already know does.
Cowher and Marty both fit that mold.
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We have not agreed much lately. But on this I am in total accord with you.
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Marty Schottenheimer is a TERRIBLE fit for the Browns. He's old, has never won the big one, and couldn't get a job this year. That says it all: He shouldn't come here Quote:
Unfortunately, I don't think Cowher is ready to come back. That TV "high life" is pretty enticing, IMO.
For $8 million and partial control of the roster, he'll come back.
He's simply playin' all the talk down because that's how he's supposed to play it. His days didn't end well with the Steelers ownership, and he's had time to recharge his batteries. He's ready. Things just have to be on his terms, and giving him $8 million goes a long way to satisfying those terms, hehe.Quote:
And Marty has said several times on Sirius radio that he's not interested in coming back.
Numerous NFL-insiders that I respect have said he is.
We've all been around here long enough to know you don't believe a word that comes out of these peoples mouths through the media. They can't, specifically because of the media.
You give either guy what he wants, and he's a Brown. Cowher will want control, Marty will want some. The big question will be whether or not Lerner makes the move I'm backing which is to demote Savage, which would open the door for Cowher.
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Plus Toad, many coaching prospective hires simply do not and will not discuss being hired until after the season is over.
I guess they feel it would be a classless move on their part or that it would undermine current coaches. What ever the motivation, it's considered quite a major Faux Pas............
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I guess they feel it would be a classless move on their part or that it would undermine current coaches.
Exactly. 
How classless do we think Fassel is for lobbying for the Raiders job? I'm sure Tom Cable appreciates it
Marty has always been a classy guy, and wouldn't want to submarine Crennel. Same goes for Cowher.
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I understand why Cowher wouldn't acknowledge his interest, especially as far as Cleveland is concerned. But I also don't think Lerner will open his wallet to the extent that you are speculating. We'll see, I guess.
As far as Marty is concerned I wouldn't expect him to come out and say "I'd love to go back to Cleveland". But he's had numerous opportunities to say something along the lines of "If the right opportunity came along, I'd certainly have to look at it. You never say never". But he hasn't. Instead he's been consistantly saying he's not interested in leaving retirement.
Don't get me wrong. I hope you are correct. I'm just not getting my hopes up.
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I think Marty make the most sense for our current situation.
Marty ran the 3-4 defense in San Diego which we are attempting to run here.
Chud is running a variation of Marty's offense.
Marty will bring instant credibility with the players and the fans. Especially the fans who are old enough to remember our last good teams in the late 80's.
Marty may not want as much control as Cowher may want which is all speculation at this time. This will allow Lerner to keep Savage and the scouting staff.
Chud can continue to learn under Marty until it is his time to lead this team.
This is the best choice for the team to keep the most continuity on this team. We may get a new D coordinator and Special teams coordinator, but we won't have to start over like many feel will happen under Cowher.
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Chud can continue to learn under Marty until it is his time to lead this team.
Or Marty brings in his son and gives him the title O cord. asst HC and Chud is gone....
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Just to be fair, I'd have to answer as follows:
Cowher ran the 3-4 longer than Marty did
Cowher brings even more instant credibility to the fans, because many of the fans don't even remember Marty's days from 20 years ago
We have to remember part of the reason Marty was let go in San Diego is because he wrestled with the GM when it came to personnel control
and Chud can learn from Cowher as well
It'll probably come down to money and control over the roster. Either guy works as long as Lerner is willing to give them what they want. If all things were equal, Cowher would be the guy, based on his age. But all things aren't equal, as Cowher can command a higher salary.
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If we hire Marty: I would like to see Wade Phillips fired by Dallas (We know the owner wants Garrett has HC and if the Cowboys don't get past the 1st round of the playoffs then Phillips may be gone) and brought in as the Def coordinator. Phillips is an OK HC but a great Def coordinator. Then I would like to see Brian Shottenheimer brought over from the Jets as Offensive coordinator/assistant HC. He would take over the offense then provide a seemless transition as our ne HC when Marty retires after winning his 1st Super bowl in 2010 
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YES!!!
PLEASE BRING BACK MARTY.
Time for a coach that knows what he's doing to be here!!
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As a side note to the Marty/Cowher debate. Is it just me or does anyone else have mixed emotions on Cowher walking the Brown's sidelines. I know he has history here, but he has more history as a Steeler. It just doesn't sit right in my stomach to envision Cowher as our coach after all of the pain he has caused the Browns fans. I personally live 60 miles from Pittsburgh and 60miles from Cleveland. I am right in the middle of the rivalry. There are as many Steelers fans as Brown fans here and even more when the Steelers are doing well and you get all of the bandwagon jumpers. I personally would rather see somebody other than a previous head of the ENEMY leading our team. I love Cowher's fire, but it just don't feel right to me! 
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Not a shred of mixed emotion.
A good coach is a good coach.
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I want the best for the Browns be it Marty or Bill i don't care i want a proven winner...with head coaching expirence....
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As a side note to the Marty/Cowher debate.
Is it just me or does anyone else have mixed emotions on Cowher walking the Brown's sidelines. I know he has history here, but he has more history as a Steeler. It just doesn't sit right in my stomach to envision Cowher as our coach after all of the pain he has caused the Browns fans. I personally live 60 miles from Pittsburgh and 60miles from Cleveland. I am right in the middle of the rivalry. There are as many Steelers fans as Brown fans here and even more when the Steelers are doing well and you get all of the bandwagon jumpers. I personally would rather see somebody other than a previous head of the ENEMY leading our team. I love Cowher's fire, but it just don't feel right to me!
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As a side note to the Marty/Cowher debate.
Is it just me or does anyone else have mixed emotions on Cowher walking the Brown's sidelines. I know he has history here, but he has more history as a Steeler. It just doesn't sit right in my stomach to envision Cowher as our coach after all of the pain he has caused the Browns fans. I personally live 60 miles from Pittsburgh and 60miles from Cleveland. I am right in the middle of the rivalry. There are as many Steelers fans as Brown fans here and even more when the Steelers are doing well and you get all of the bandwagon jumpers. I personally would rather see somebody other than a previous head of the ENEMY leading our team. I love Cowher's fire, but it just don't feel right to me!
Honestly, I'm not a mean cat ... and I'm only gonna put it this way for effect ... 'cause I don't think you're dumb ... but this line of thinking is just about the dumbest that I hear come out of people's mouths.
It's about winning ... period ... that's it. Hire the guy that gives us the best chance ... unless you like feeling like crap every Sunday. I know I don't.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Something to consider....
A little known fact....
Cowher owns several seats from the old stadium. There was a large part of him with his team and this city. He placed the seats in his office at Pittsburgh. Yes, he coached a rival team. But he always has had a part of himself in Cleveland.
Yes he coached the enemy.....And he coached them in a manner that we would have loved our own to have been coached. The Steelers were losing some bite in the eighties....He brought Browns football to Pittsburgh and revived the way AFC Central football was played. Now the smashmouth game they play is a style attributed to them....When it was just a continuation of the AFC Central Style of play that we had ownership of for a time....maybe Pitt had ownership of the style in the seventies...I don't know....But what I do know is that the style attributed to them now was put in place by Cowher and it is the style that Cleveland played with before and while Cowher coached here(and played here). So there is a bit of Cleveland in that Steeler team whether they would want to admit it or not....
The thing we have to ask ourselves is this...while Cleveland is and always has been a part of Cowher...so are the Steelers....can we live with the fact that there will be a bit of Steeler within a Cowher coached Browns Team??? I don't know about all of you, but.....I can live with it...
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As a side note to the Marty/Cowher debate.
Is it just me or does anyone else have mixed emotions on Cowher walking the Brown's sidelines. I know he has history here, but he has more history as a Steeler. It just doesn't sit right in my stomach to envision Cowher as our coach after all of the pain he has caused the Browns fans. I personally live 60 miles from Pittsburgh and 60miles from Cleveland. I am right in the middle of the rivalry. There are as many Steelers fans as Brown fans here and even more when the Steelers are doing well and you get all of the bandwagon jumpers. I personally would rather see somebody other than a previous head of the ENEMY leading our team. I love Cowher's fire, but it just don't feel right to me!
I understand how emotions can get involved in this. Here is my question for you. How did you feel when Parcels took over the Cowboys? Did it bother you that he was (and in my mind always will be) a Giant? If it didn't that should qualm any worries about Cowher. If it did bother you that much then maybe you do have reason for your concern.
Personally I feel Cowher was a Cleveland Brown and only went to the darkside when Modell screwed him over by hiring Billichek from the Giants rather than promote from within.
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There's a gleam gentlemen...a gleam..LET'S GO OUT THERE AND TAKE IT!
I would be more than happy to have Schott back here.
you had a good run Hank.
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As a side note to the Marty/Cowher debate.
Is it just me or does anyone else have mixed emotions on Cowher walking the Brown's sidelines. I know he has history here, but he has more history as a Steeler. It just doesn't sit right in my stomach to envision Cowher as our coach after all of the pain he has caused the Browns fans. I personally live 60 miles from Pittsburgh and 60miles from Cleveland. I am right in the middle of the rivalry. There are as many Steelers fans as Brown fans here and even more when the Steelers are doing well and you get all of the bandwagon jumpers. I personally would rather see somebody other than a previous head of the ENEMY leading our team. I love Cowher's fire, but it just don't feel right to me!
If Art Modell could coach this football team to a SB I'd welcome it.
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Not a shred of mixed emotion.
A good coach is a good coach.
Hey Toad, Gotta a question for you and everyone else, What if the Bengals and some of the other jobs pop up and Cowher or Marty take one of those, who's left to look at???
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We were talking about this at work. If Savage is fired then Cowher looks to be the man. If eh stays then Marty would probably be brought in.
If Marty were brought in I wonder if he'd stick with Chud at OC or try to bring in his son Brian. As for DC, I'd love Tucker to stay as DB's coach, he was brilliant there. And while in a few years he could be DC material, I think he was just put in a position he just wasn't ready for. I like the Phillips idea if he's fired. But Mike Nolan is also sitting out there, he was one heck of a DC as well.
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I would be shocked beyond all get out if an established guy took the Bengals job. I believe it's pretty common knowledge that Mike Brown doesn't like to spend. As a coach, I think they might feel handicapped by that. I think the Bengals have some nice young pieces, but I don't think they have as many as the Browns do. In a nutshell, I think we are further along talent-wise, and we have an owner who - by all accounts - is willing to spend to get this thing turned around. I believe the Browns is actually a very attractive job, and the fact that Schott is being reported as being interested as well as the whispers with Cowher speaks a lot to that.
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Just some notes from wikipedia concerning Cowher's career...
As a player...
...He was a free-agent linebacker with the Philadelphia Eagles in 1979, and then signed with the Cleveland Browns the following year. Cowher played three seasons (1980-82) in Cleveland before being traded back to the Eagles, where he played two more years (1983-84).
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...Cowher began his coaching career in 1985 at age 28 under Marty Schottenheimer with the Cleveland Browns. He was the Browns' special teams coach in 1985-86 and secondary coach in 1987-88 before following Schottenheimer to the Kansas City Chiefs in 1989 as defensive coordinator.
So Cowher played with the Browns for 3 seasons and coached with the Browns another 4 yrs under Schottenheimer. web page
Cowher is more of a Cleveland Brown than any coach we have had since our return. His roots are in Cleveland.
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Parcells to the Cowboys was totally different. The Cowboys under Jerry Jones had an Identity and WON Super Bowls before Parcells, so that was not a big deal.
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The analogy is that of a super bowl winning head coach leaving his team then coming back to that team's arch nemesis. Parcells from the Giants to the Cowboys is the same as Cowher from pittsburgh to the The Browns. Only difference is the personal seperation we have from the Parcels scenario.
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You don't go out and steal the enemy's identity. You build your own.
That identity was LONG GONE by the time Parcells got there. The Cowboys had no identity, they were 5-11 3 years in a row.
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Bring back winning, bring back Marty. Seriously Cowher is my dream choice but is it realistic? I doubt it. If indeed he is out of the question, I'd love to see Marty wearing a headset in Cleveland again.
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Perhaps bringing Marty back will give him a chance to excise the demons of his playoff losses. Marty or Cowher would work for me.
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