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Remember this board goes into a frenzy over two things..coaches and QB's.
There's gonna be a ton of illogical posts from now till weeks after a new HC is brought in.
I wouldn't doubt that someone has actually thought Sam Rutigliano would be a good choice since he had that exciting Kardiac Kids team in 1980!
Other "crazy" ideas I could see crossing people's minds for head coach:
Lindy Infante
Marc Trestman
George Seifert
Mike Ditka (although I think we need a hard butt - just not a crazy one)
Dan Reeves
The list goes on. When itwould get very interesting would be if, after the season, Cowher officially says he's not interested if contacted for a job interview. Then watch the fur fly!
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So keeping with that and if you want a coach that knows the AFC North would you be willing to bring in Brian Billick?
Hell no.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
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Yeah, the word going around is Cower doesn't want the Cleveland job.
THen why would he buy that house in Strongsville Ohio 
Just kidding, there is that stupid rumor about that running around but when you check the Cuyahoga county website,, no purchases by anyone named Cowher have cropped up.
Of course that doesn't really mean anything..People buy things in corporate names all the time....
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So keeping with that and if you want a coach that knows the AFC North would you be willing to bring in Brian Billick?
Hell no.
Second that!
The closer this gets to happening the tighter the lips will get.
These guys aren't going to mess with NFL fines, contract breaches
and tampering with coaches who are still in the SB hunt.
Other than a million rumors I expect the Cowher or any top coordintaor legitimate talk to cease.
As for Cowher....money/control will win the day and the man!
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j/c What's up w/ Jimmy Johnson? I figured he'd have made a second try somewhere by now. Anybody know if he's said whether or not he'd do it again. I'm definitely on the PRO FOOTBALL COACH bandwagon. No newbie coordinators or college coaches taking the job. Call me crazy, but if we can't get Cowher or Marty, I say just give Romeo another chance. . . . 
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Yeah, the word going around is Cower doesn't want the Cleveland job.
I do want a coach that has been a NFL HC. So keeping with that and if you want a coach that knows the AFC North would you be willing to bring in Brian Billick?
He know the AFC North, he has a Superbowl ring and this will be the best offense he has coached and he in known for being an Offensive guru.
free...No way do I want Brian Billick as a Browns HC. The guy had all kinds of material to work with in Balt. and their offense was terrible.
I would not expect Bill Cowher to say, I want the Cleveland job, would you?
It would be a terrible way to negotiate a contract with Randy Lerner knowing Cowher stated he wanted the Browns job.
That is why contracts are negotiated...to convince individuals such as Bill Cowher, he does want to coach in Cleveland for say, $10 mill a year.
Cowher is just waiting to be convinced, IMO.
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As for Cowher....money/control will win the day and the man!
Probably true,, Just wondering however,, how many folks on here think that giving one man all the power is the right thing to do? Any man,, including Bill Cowher!
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Cowher is just waiting to be convinced, IMO.
Now please tell me why would he want to come here again?
Let's see, we have a O-line that needs an upgrade on the entire right side
Only 1 serviceable WR that might want to leave.
Only 1 good D-lineman and 1 decent LB.
2 Unknowns at QB.
No real subs to work with at any position.
Decent special teams.
And a GM that thinks very high of himself but does not find much come draft time!!...
OK, where do I sign up.
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As for Cowher....money/control will win the day and the man!
Probably true,, Just wondering however,, how many folks on here think that giving one man all the power is the right thing to do? Any man,, including Bill Cowher!
As I recall Lerner the younger stated he'd never, ever make that mistake again. I'd much rather see a good one two punch, pilot co-pilot type relationship. everyone needs someone to ask, "you sure you wanna do that" now and again!
However, the Cowher attitude is one of the things this team/city needs!
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Cowher is just waiting to be convinced, IMO.
Now please tell me why would he want to come here again?
The CHALLENGE. 
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Cowher is just waiting to be convinced, IMO.
Now please tell me why would he want to come here again?
The CHALLENGE.
I agree...these guys have huge egos and he also knows the man who returns the Browns to glory will be idolized, memorialized and....uhhhhh...Simonized? Or was that sodomi.....
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i doubt he would want to come here the Cleveland weather would destroy his pretty lil hair-do that he has haha
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I'm definitely on the PRO FOOTBALL COACH bandwagon. No newbie coordinators or college coaches taking the job.
Call me crazy, but if we can't get Cowher or Marty, I say just give Romeo another chance. . . .
What he said.
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As I recall Lerner the younger stated he'd never, ever make that mistake again.
Yes, I think I remember that or something much like it being said after Butch Davis...
For me, I guess the right thing to do is to have a division of responsibility.. I just think that both jobs, done correctly are too big for just one person.. JMO however..
Can someone tell me where Cowher ever said he wants total control.. I know I've heard it on here, but I guess I don't remember hearing it from him.
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Daman - I have never seen where he said that but it would make sense that he would want control. I think a lot of people take it to mean that he would eant to be the GM as well.
I do believe that Cowher (and any of the top notch coaches out there would) wants to be in control. To me that would not mean that he wants to be the GM but that he wants final say in all decision. The buck stops here guy. Kind of like Billichek in NE. The Patriots have a HC and a GM but clearly Billy boy is the the man in charge.
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"Now please tell me why would he want to come here again?"
Cowher stated "The Browns are a not a bad team, they are 2-3 players away from being a winner" He stated this about 2 weeks ago. So where is the foundation of your statement. Where you state we are 13-14 players away from being a winner.
I'm sure we have feelers out there to Cowher's agent as in what would it take to come out of retirement...no offer, just an idea. We got that communicatioa...now we have to go through the process.
1. Assess our staff n players.
2. Fire RAC (sorry RAC I just don't see how your job could be safe)
3. Start interviews early and fast...Need a Minority interview...Mo Cauthon, nah, how bout Rivera of the Chargers, definitely Singletary of the 49ers if they let him go quickly.
4. After we do so then some talented Asst. Coaches.
5. Then oh, what's this Then we end up signing Cowher to a 5 year deal worth 40 mil.
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The man pulls together the past with the present. He knows the history and pride here also. His media chums apparently like coach Cowher and therefore we may get a bit of positive press. He brings a blue collar attitude to
blue collar town and coaches rough and tumble blue collar football!
I have a hard time coming up with any negatives besides nothing is a guarantee! I've nothing to go on but just feel that this is his dream job.
That his family knows this and will be ok if he's offered and accepts it.
Yep, I'm a CB fan grasping for what I can, but after this season I think we deserve to reach a bit!
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EO,
I do not know where Cowher said that at but I would have loved to see the responses to that statement of being only 2-3 players away! Please, that is the problem with most Browns fans, believing that we are 2-3 away when we are about 7-8 away. And that is not even talking about quality backups. You could replace at least 2 on the offensive line, 2 of the D-line and atleast 3 LBs and that equals 7 without breathing hard.
As far as your list, its somewhat out of order. 1 an 2 are fine. But you have to interview and then hire the head coach. The head coach will pick his staff, not Savage! Then that staff has to RE-EVALUATE the lack of talent on this team. If your coach turns out to be Cowher, then Savage will be around only for about a year because Cowher will want to pick his players, not Savages!
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Eo and others,
I forgot one thing about Cowher that everyone is forgetting. Cowher has NEVER HAD TO BUILD A TEAM!!. If you look at when he was hired, he walked into a decent team. He now has to do something he did not have to do at Pitt, which is to build the team from the floor up. Cowher had a GM and scouting dept that was getting talent. When he left Pitt, he wanted more control in the selection process. We will see if he gets that in Cleveland?
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Cowher is just waiting to be convinced, IMO.
Now please tell me why would he want to come here again?
Let's see, we have a O-line that needs an upgrade on the entire right side
Only 1 serviceable WR that might want to leave.
Only 1 good D-lineman and 1 decent LB.
2 Unknowns at QB.
No real subs to work with at any position.
Decent special teams.
And a GM that thinks very high of himself but does not find much come draft time!!...
OK, where do I sign up.
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Close to his home in PA.
NC...there could be 10 million reasons per yr too.
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j/k
RAC will catch on somewhere else and make triple the money we do in one year, so lets not feel to sorry for this guy, not to mention he made a desent amount the last four years and still will get something for his time remaining.
RAC is a stand-up guy if we ever haad one, Usually when coachs leave I'm to the point I hate the sound of thier voice or the sight of them, but RAC I'm in a way sadden to see him leave and it not working out, he a class man & a great person, and not to many of them left in this world you can say that about. But bottom line is we need to win, so with that there is one main thing about picking our new Head coach I know for 100% for sure
1. Randy's not gonna let me pick him. so I'll sit back & wait.
I do believe Randy is gonna sit back & wait to see if any current NFL coachs get let go, some we already know, Holgram, some were not sure of, Andy Reid,? I dont expect anything to be announced anytime soon after the season ends.
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Cowher has NEVER HAD TO BUILD A TEAM!!. If you look at when he was hired, he walked into a decent team. He now has to do something he did not have to do at Pitt, which is to build the team from the floor up.
Things are bad right now, REAL BAD. But not so much that we're looking at rebuilding from the ground up.
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"I do not know where Cowher said that at but I would have loved to see the responses to that statement of being only 2-3 players away!"
CBS Panel is when he said it - as for a response it is then and there that Boomer Easiason stated...."Or a new Coach away"
"The head coach will pick his staff, not Savage!"
Trust me I'm not that dumb....lol  - My 1 - 5 scenario that I listed was simply the process in hiring the new HC that is all. The #4 that you are objecting to was us Interviewing some talented Asst Coaches for the HC job not for Asst. Coaching jobs here. I was making my Mock process of the HC hire.
As for building a team...If you don't buy into the 2-3 players possibly you will buy into the Handful of players away. The fact is this team has an excellent foundation for a New guy to come into. There is no rebuilding from the ground up...the talent is mostly here. Now its all about getting those 2-3 players and then Upgrade on whatever you can, Whenever you can.
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Eo I find myself in agreement with you once again!!! I'm  I know.. LOL The thing that I have the most problem with thru the changes that are almost certain to take place is this. We are close, forget the record the team does have some talent, but the team also clearly lacks key players at key positions. I think we all knew going into the season that we had question marks at the LB and CB positions. It wasn't all bad news either. The CB thing worked out pretty well, I think that BM and EW have done a OK job. I think EW is a stud, and BM is at worst servicable. Thats good news isn't it?? Then you come to the the LB position. In my mind it was the biggest question mark hanging over the defense, and well it was a huge negative. But, if you inject a solid draft and a good FA signing in we would be OK. Or at least i think so. Some may remember, but I said going back to pre-season that Shaffer was the weak link. I was shot down by many, and the rest said I aint no fan. Most of the I aint no fan crowd make up the better posters. Draft or sign a RT, where in the hunt again. If you watch to see where the pressure comes from most of the time Shaffer will be your man. We can't run right worth a damm and not to blow my horn again, but I TRIED to point that out as well. It wasn't what folks wanted to hear so they ignored it. Replace Shaffer you fix the offense. Protect the QB, and open up running lanes. Fixed!! Thats 3 Guys. Which brings me to my next point. Trading away players like BE and KW isn't going to help matters. Casting this team to the wind or blowing it up now when we are clearly this close, is well disturbing. I never cared when we drove Butch outta town on a scale of 1 to 10 the talent that was here at that time was negative 10. But thats not the case this time, it is critical that most not all of the current roster remain as is. And certainly we do not trade away our 2 best recievers. BE and KW2 will re-bound and grow from this season. Yes they are horses asses some times, but they will rebound and unless I see someone come along with better skills or near equal skills then we have got to stick with these guys. Lets face it we need them. Dang I think I just showed some apprecation. How did that happen?? Reality crept in on me I guess!!! RL if you can read this prayor and believe me at this point it is a prayor continue with the building process, make whomever may or may not come here tweek it, but by no means DO NOT BLOW IT UP. JUST SAY NO RANDY PLEASE!!! JMHO BTTB
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"Some may remember, but I said going back to pre-season that Shaffer was the weak link. I was shot down by many, and the rest said I aint no fan. Most of the I aint no fan crowd make up the better posters."
I find it very hard to believe that you were called out as a none fan cause you dissed Shaffer...  There had to be more to it than that... 
Just one thing though...Shaffer isn't the root of all evil for this team. Oh don't get me wrong he can be improved upon and hopefully soon. But not as easily as you think.
In the draft thread that disappeared...man we got to include draft as PURE FOOTBALL until the draft forum opens up. Cause its a heck of a lot more pure football than a lot of garbage posted here. (My cause portion of my post... )
But I mentioned how a guy like Loadholt would be ideal (Okla. LT) and he could even play RG while he learns the NFL game and eventually take over Shaffer's spot.
But right now this season RG and Center have been weaker links than RT.
Will Tucker make it back...and if so could he be relied upon?
Fraley was more than acceptable making great reads and Line Calls... this year I didn't see the reads and great line calls which made his play take a drop.
Shaffer might become your Barometer that we have a Kick Butt OL and that I would buy into. But also I've seen more mediocre talent then him come alive within a "UNIT" and look pretty good. We got to get the unit back on track.
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I find it very hard to believe that you were called out as a none fan cause you dissed Shaffer... There had to be more to it than that...
Poor choice of words I guess. What I was trying to say was that the posters that didn't agree with me said that THEY weren't a fan of Shaffer. In fact I think those where actually your words but I could be mistaken. You as I remember hardly endorsed him but saw some value to keeping him on..
Hopefully that clears it up. 
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Eo and Brown to the Bone,
If we just look in the Defensive front 7, outside of S.Rogers and maybe DQ, the rest of those positions should be upgraded. Hell just on the D-line, the two ends that we have STINK!! And thats not just being a disgruntled fan. EO, you look at the games, watch how team are not triple teaming Rogers and the other two d-linemen are being single blocked and not winning those battles!! There are at minimum 2 LBs that need replacing yesterday!
Brown - you mentioned the RT position and that is weak. But don't you think the RG position should be upgraded?? Even we we keep the current RG, the number of replacements is now at 5. We also need a REAL number #2 receiver! - 6 , and that is not even counting if BE stays!!
So we are at 6 to 7 starting positions and we have not even got to the backups yet!!!
Again, if we see this, Cowher sees that also!! He can talk all that 2-3 crap to make everyone feel as though we are close, but he knows that is not true!
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Actually the Dline isn't really the problem now.
The weak part is the LB unit.
First and it's been discussed a lot..the OLB's are weak..Wimbley was never a stud against the run at FSU and he certainly isn't at the pro-level.
He can't even manufacture a consistant pass rush..
As he gets sealed inside on running plays it allows any linemen to get their hands on Jackson who can't shed the block because he's just too light..
McGinest is done..Peek is injury prone, and we don't know what we have in Hall.
And then you have Davis........(pause..crickets chirping)
Anyway..once his position is upgraded this unit will take shape.
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I agree Attack.
A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. For those who haven't grasped that concept.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I think Shaffer is a serviceable RT. He plays at an average NFL level when there is a solid RG (Tucker) but things flounders with an inferior RG (Hadnot - still not sure how he plays over McKinney).
Also - We get a lot of pressure up the middle between Fraley and Hadnot.
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I think Shaffer is a serviceable RT. He plays at an average NFL level when there is a solid RG (Tucker) but things flounders with an inferior RG (Hadnot - still not sure how he plays over McKinney).
Also - We get a lot of pressure up the middle between Fraley and Hadnot.
Fraley kills me when he goes to help Hadnot regardless if there is an MLB right in from of him.. I don't understand his thinking sometimes. The MLB just gets a free hit... like seriously!!!!
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I have to call you on that one bro. The D-line IS part of the problem, is it as big of a problem as the Linebackers....nope, but it's not far behind.
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Our defensive line is okay. Our LB's are the bigger problem. They can't shed blocks, and they are not the strongest. Can't remember the last time I've seen a bull rush by a cleveland lb.
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I am not as worried about this either.
You upgrade the OLine, run the ball at will, manage the clock, throw in an occasional Wildcat or long ball (when you don't HAVE to,...{like we do NOW},....)and watch how much better the defense plays.
My locker room imagination tells me these boys hate the offense because it cannot do its job. No offensive TD's in four games ?? I'd lay down too for those millions,....
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I have to call you on that one bro. The D-line IS part of the problem, is it as big of a problem as the Linebackers....nope, but it's not far behind.
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GM,, I think you are correct about the Dline,, but I don't think it's because we don't have talent. I think it's because we've lost key guys to injury. Hopefully, that self corrects for next season..  with everyone healthy,, I get the feeling out line would be very very good..
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My opinion is that Shaun Smith is playing pretty-damned well. We all know what Rogers is doing. Robaire Smith is no star, and is probably only a marginal starter, but as part of a rotation, he becomes solid. Corey Williams is probably a far better rusher than run-stuffer. Again, as part of a rotation, he becomes solid.
The 3-4 MUST MUST MUST have linebackers that are good or the defense is crap. Well, Jackson is the ONLY linebacker we have that's any good, and even then, he isn't a great fit because he's too small to get to the QB.
The bottom line is that we have ZERO linebackers who know how to get to the QB  There isn't a 3-4 defense in the HISTORY of the NFL that's succeeded without that element.
We're OK on the D-line. We're beyond pathetic at the linebacker spots.
So that means whoever is the coach or GM will have to fix that problem or his usefulness will never be realized.
The place to keep an eye on is Baltimore, where at least 3 of their linebackers are up for free agency: Lewis, Suggs, Scott. It's not impossible, but it's going to be a tough thing to sign all three. Scott is clearly the weak-link of the 3, and isn't nearly as good without those guys around him, but he's still light years better than Andra Davis, and would be an instant upgrade to our linebackers.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Our defensive line is okay. Our LB's are the bigger problem. They can't shed blocks, and they are not the strongest. Can't remember the last time I've seen a bull rush by a cleveland lb.
When is the last time you saw a bull rush, from a D-lineman not named Rogers ? Or a spin move, or just flat out speed rush. Rogers = all pro Williams = below average this year Rob. Smith is average at best. Big Mouth Smith is below average, and everybody else should not even be on the roster.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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I'm definitely on the PRO FOOTBALL COACH bandwagon. No newbie coordinators or college coaches taking the job.
Call me crazy, but if we can't get Cowher or Marty, I say just give Romeo another chance. . . .
What he said.
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Thats also how I feel.
I also think that this will be Marvin Lewis' last year in Cinci. I would bring him in as a DC in a heartbeat. I wouldnt mind it if Tucker would accpet his old job back.
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