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He isn't coming here,why would he even want to ? Seriously outside a HUGE paying contract why would any FA want to play for the Browns right now 
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I'd rather sign suggs and draft maualuga. Nice.
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I'd rather sign suggs and draft maualuga. Nice.
That would be magnificent...
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He isn't coming here,why would he even want to ? Seriously outside a HUGE paying contract why would any FA want to play for the Browns right now
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I'd rather sign suggs and draft maualuga. Nice.
That would be magnificent...
Yes it would, our starting defense would be set.
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Not a bad idea, but the Giants offensive line has a lot to do with Earth Wind and Fire.
Jamal will have to be upgraded at some point. I would just rather not do it going FA.
Anybody see the Colorado State (dreadlocks) RB Saturday,....there's a diamond in the rough.
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He isn't coming here,why would he even want to ? Seriously outside a HUGE paying contract why would any FA want to play for the Browns right now
You could have said the same thing about Michael Turner last year. I agree with you it would take a huge contract to get him here.
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LeSean McCoy, no doubt, in 2009.
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He isn't coming here,why would he even want to ? Seriously outside a HUGE paying contract why would any FA want to play for the Browns right now
As they stand today,, you are correct.. outside of money,, there really is only one other reason today,,, history of the franchise... But I don't think that's a big draw at the moment.
But look forward a few months.. IF we change coaches and/or GM's, depending who we get here could make the difference in FA Thinking.
Let's say we go with either Cowher or Schottenhiemer as an example,,, that changes everything. All of a sudden, you have a proven HC.. a winner. Coaches that historically, players have thought highly of.
It's still gonna take the right money,, but in the end, you can bet, having a proven winner as you HC will light up thier thinking in a positive way about cleveland and the Browns.
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I'd rather see us get Albert Haynesworth in FA and let Cowher draft us a RB in the 2nd round after he draft us Rey Mauluaga or however you spell his name in the 1st round.
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As they stand today,, you are correct.. outside of money,, there really is only one other reason today,,, history of the franchise... But I don't think that's a big draw at the moment.
But look forward a few months.. IF we change coaches and/or GM's, depending who we get here could make the difference in FA Thinking.
Let's say we go with either Cowher or Schottenhiemer as an example,,, that changes everything.
I totally agree Daman. If the Browns got a coach like Cowher in there just think of all the positive vibes that would send out. Players love to play for that guy period. The end of the season couldn't come soon enough to get some changes rolling around here.
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Well, he had a great game and he's certainly had a good year,,
But look at the kids first 4 years in the league..,,, He didn't get a lot of chances.. and he did virtually nothing to speak of (725 yards on 248 Attempts for a 2.9 average)
Now all of a sudden this year, he's got 948 yards on 167 Attempts and a 5.9 average... Pretty good, but it's only one year.
If you think about it, it's the same thing that is going on with Jerome Harrison.. Physically, Harrison is a little smaller than Ward, but statistically, over the first 3 years of thier respective careers, he's better than Ward.. and I think you may find, he's quicker and shiftier than Ward also.
Before we go out and spend money on this kinda back, we maybe should think about using Harrison more. And instead, go out and get a Bruiser like Brandon Jacobs who now has a two year history of excellent performance to look at and is younger than Ward to boot.
But hey, what the hell do I know...
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Just a chip shot,...even if you brought in Beanie (bias assumed, OK,...) to be " The Bruiser, " who blocks for him so he even looks like a Jacobs ????
We need to build an offensive line.
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It woulda been nice to see more of Jerome, so the incoming regime could make a more informed decision. I think we need to get a back that compliments Harrison...we need to get Smash to go with our Dash.
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Well, he had a great game and he's certainly had a good year,,
But look at the kids first 4 years in the league..,,, He didn't get a lot of chances.. and he did virtually nothing to speak of (725 yards on 248 Attempts for a 2.9 average)
Now all of a sudden this year, he's got 948 yards on 167 Attempts and a 5.9 average... Pretty good, but it's only one year.
He actually played pretty well last year when Brandon Jacobs got dinged up. I remember my brother's fantasy team getting killed with injuries, and him getting some decent points from Ward until he broke his leg at the end.
Ward, Harrison and Lewis would be a nice complement.
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if we are even considering staying in the 3-4, then Karlos Dansby should be our first priority.
our second priority should be TJ Houshmanzedah
our third priority should be a RG (haven't seen who is available yet there)
Derrick Ward doesn't provide anything more than Harrison other than he is better at blitz pickup. But, unless we are willing to cut ties to Jerome, then there's no reason to pick up this backup-quality RB.
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Ward, Harrison and Lewis would be a nice complement.
I get the feeling, perhaps incorrectly, but Ward and Harrison are similar.. I want someone that can challeng Lewis. that's not ward IMO...
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Ward, Harrison and Lewis would be a nice complement.
I get the feeling, perhaps incorrectly, but Ward and Harrison are similar.. I want someone that can challeng Lewis. that's not ward IMO...
Maybe a little similar, but I think Harrison is a little smaller from what I've seen of both. I could be wrong, I didn't look up their stats.
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2 inchs shorter, 20 lbs lighter according to team websites for the Browns and Giants.
Near as I can tell, Harrison is quicker.. I'm only assuming he's shiftier....
But none of that is really my point. Harrison has shown the ability to do more. we just aren't giving him the opportunities.
Oddly, ward hadn't really been given much of a chance early on in his career.
But when given one, he did pretty darn well.
Our primary back is Lewis and if you base everything off of this year (which probably isn't all that fair) then he's done. he may never be able to carry the load again.
So I'm all for getting a big back in here to replace lewis..
But hey,, it's all guess work at this point...
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I'd be happy bringing in Derrick Ward.
Maybe not a priority, but definitely needs to be taken a look at. I know people talk about not wanting to come to Cleveland, but you also have to look at in this way: he's splitting carries, and is basically the second back. If he has the opportunity to be a featured back and get the majority of the carries, that is enticing. There's a handful of teams who should be in need of a RB, but most others have guys locked down as their #1, or 1 and 2.
We need a RB, about 3 new LB's, including one who can get to the QB, a corner, a guard, and maybe another DL for some depth if Robaire makes a full return.
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As long as JL is running for the browns, we would be wasting money on ward.
Harrison has not seen the light of day since he ran 72 yards for a TD a few weeks ago.
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But look at the kids first 4 years in the league..,,, He didn't get a lot of chances.. and he did virtually nothing to speak of (725 yards on 248 Attempts for a 2.9 average)
Not trying to nitpick, but your stats are very wrong-- almost 100 carries off.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=5760
A couple random points.. 1 is that Tiki Barber got the bulk of the carries before '07. 2 is that the Giants offensive line is phenomenal.. every time I watch them they get a very nice push at the point of attack.
I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at here, though.
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Yeah, I added wrong, you are correct. He had 160 carries for 725 yards for a 4.5 yard average.. Thanks for catching that..  But.. actually, this illustrates my point even better.. He was used even less than I thought and produced way better than I thought.. Very very much more like Harrison. What I'm saying is this. we have some holes to fill this off season. LB's, a Corner, maybe a safety depending on what we do with Jones, a RT and RG and maybe Center. RB,, isn't our biggest problem. Resign Wright and keep the status quo for another year unless you can get a premier back in his prime,,, like a Brandon Jacobs who also fills a longer term need. Again, that's just thinking out loud....
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IMO.... resigning Jason Wright would be the same thing as keeping Ken Dorsey on this roster. They may have some respect in the locker room, but they can't help win us games.
Might as well sign a UDFA with some potential over Wright. Thats my opinion. Everytime I see Wright in the game, I get upset. He's not that good. He's not going to make game changing plays. He has especially been dropping some passes as of late too.
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Signing Nnamdi Asomugha should be this team's first FA priority.
Signing him will kick EWright down to the two spot, MacDonald at nickel and give Daven Holly a chance to work back in slow (assuming we resign him).
In the draft this would allow us to go front seven with our first pick, which is an absolute must with all the top end talent at the linebacker position this year.
Of course this might be a moot point, with that whole franchise tag nonsense...
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That is why I don't even bother projecting FA's until you find who who re-signs, and who is tagged.
Seems like every year there are 20 guys who sound good, but by the time all the other happens, the number is 2-3 players everybody is going after.
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I would agree with Nnamdi Asomugha, he would immediately upgrade DB's, as long as the front seven are also upgraded.
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I would agree with Nnamdi Asomugha, he would immediately upgrade DB's, as long as the front seven are also upgraded.
Asomugha is incredible. It's amazing that he's just now getting at least some of the credit he deserves. In my eyes he is clearly the best cover corner in the game, and it's not even close. Last year, he gave up like 10 *receptions* the entire year.. teams just wouldn't throw at him.. maybe once or twice a game.
So this year, when you see guys like Steve Smith going for 1 rec/9 yds or Andre Johnson going for 2 rec/19 yds (in the 4th Q of an out of reach game, mind you), it's not a fluke.
What's really funny in all this is Oakland's management.. they slap the tag on him instead of giving him the mega-deal he deserves, then they turn around and trade a 2 for D. Hall who's always been an overrated prima-donna and give HIM the blockbuster deal. Hilarious.
All that said, I don't think landing him is realistic at all. If the Raiders can't sign him, they will just slap the exclusive franchise tag on him again.
If for some reason he does hit the market, it would probably take the biggest non-QB contract ever to land him... think about what Clements and Samuel have gotten the last 2 years. Asomugha is way better than either of those guys...
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the Giants offensive line is phenomenal.. every time I watch them they get a very nice push at the point of attack.
I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at here, though.
Their D line ain't to bad either. Say didn't they win the super bowl last year?
I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at here though. 
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I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at here though
But you did a good job of it none the less!
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Asomugha is gonna break the bank... thats my only concern.
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