DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Braylon will only do charities in Detroit now. Not Cleveland

I’m not Paul Warfield, Webster Slaughter or Jim Brown. I’ve given my all to this city for four years, and I realize it will never be enough. I went to the Pro Bowl last year and resurrected this team from the darkness, and nobody cared.”

“People in this town believe they are entitled to too much. They have been disrespectful to me and my family. I’ve gone out in public with my family and have had to deal with being called foul names. My parents have been called vulgar things at restaurants.”



“My biggest problem is that I actually give a damn. I’m always rushing back from surgeries and injuries, never missing games or practices. But through this, I’ve learned how to overcome adversity. I’m also proud of how my foundation has taken off. I’ve been doing all this community service in Cleveland … my charity efforts will only be in Detroit from now on.”




http://blog.cleveland.com/bran...ylon_edwar.html

I doubt this thread will stick around, which is unfortunate because it really shows me that Edwards is crying more than a 2 year old with a wet diaper. Man oh man...

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HA, then he should read his contract. He has to do a certain amount of charity work for the team in the city, along with donating a certain amount of salary to charity. Sure he won't be doing anything extra, but guess what Bray, we cool.

It sounds to me that he's taking the Chad Johnson route of "I'll complain a lot to see if I can get traded to someone I like better."

Frankly, right now, I'm so ticked that I'd say "see you Braylon" and get the best trade we can get.

I'd gladly trade him tommorrow if we could.

I'm sure we can get a guy to run down the field and drop a ball just about anywhere.

Hell i'm going to Wal-Mart tommorrow i'll ask the buggy guy if he wants to play.

YOU LEAD THE LEAGUE IN DROPS YOU POMPOUS ASS!!!

Don't you DARE say we didn't appreciate you last season. You're so full of it it's unbelievable.

Wanna know why we're mad? It's because you drop easy passes, run wrong routes and bad routes. How you can even blame us is pathetic and wrong.

This kind of crap may fly in Dallas, but here we'll beat you with your helmet.

Wow. If he had any supporters left, this latest outburst should just about wrap it up.

I was a supporter of him not as a person but of what he brought as a player. Make no mistake, replacing him may take years or even a decade or two or maybe even never ... because with all his warts he is the best receiver talent-wise we've had here in decades.

But at some point you just have to part ways. There is no other option. BE, my man, you just made that decision easy for us.

You've now made it so that we would rather struggle without you than win with you. And that my friend is very sad.

I completely agree that Braylon shouldn't be attacked or harassed in public just for dropping passes in games, nor should he be treated so brutally by the fans. That's completely uncalled for.

However... because he doesn't like how he's been treated, he's going to pull all his charities from Cleveland? He's going to punish innocent children for a slight he feels he received? WE'RE the ones that are entitled? He didn't even want to be here in the first place, made it known right away and now it's coming out again at the expense of those that did nothing wrong.

I don't even know what to say... can you even keep a guy saying things like this on your roster?

I bench him this week for his own personal safety. He's really asking for it this week.

why is he grouping a few idiots as a representation for the whole fan base?? he's having a brutal year, and the harassment is part of the territory. get some thick skin dude.

I wouldn't trade him unless we got a 1st and 3rd. you can't just give him away. screw him, let him rot like ochocinco, if equal value isn't a possability.

if you go to the game, you should hollar at him and romeo. I remember in 04, when butch lost to the jets, I gave him and the team a tongue lashing as they went into the locker room. ditto the chargers game in the blizzard. I think mccown got the abuse that game. that was the best part for me.

I actually have no problem at all with him pulling his charities. He has done a lot for the city of Cleveland when it comes to giving back it terms of money and what not. I see no problem with wanting to give back to his hometown.

On the other hand, I have a huge problem with the way he is going about it. I have a huge problem with his reasoning for doing it. That article doesn't give the whole interview, which makes it skewed to an extent, but his comments are still out of line, even if there is some truth to them. Edwards needs some serious help learning how to handle himself when it comes to the pressures of playing in the NFL.

I will say this.. and maybe people wont like it, but, my recent trip to Nashville was an eye opener. No one harrassed me, no one spit on me, no one called me names.. no one put a lit ciggie in my jacket, people came up and talked to me in a friendly fashion..

Who's to say that Braylon doesnt have a point? If you want to yell at him in the stadium, thats one thing, but to degrade and heckle in public at a restaurant or grocery store is just not right.

As if I wasn't mad enough, now I'm madder.

Youtube "Vince Russo shoot on Hulk Hogan." I feel like going into that kind of tirade about Pompous Ass right now.

THIS IS THE PURE DEFINITION OF A POOR SPORT!!

You don't take this out on the kids.... or anyone else you're donating your time and money too....

Well... Looks like we will be pushing very very hard to get Housh.....

What's funny is I have never...EVER liked Braylon Edwards the football player. He sucked in college and minus one fluke year has sucked in the pros. He's never shaken his wrap that he makes the spectacular plays and drops all the routine ones.

But, I have GOT to agree with him on this one. I've never seen a more arrogant, entitled group of whiners in my life than Browns fans.

We whine, the league gives us our "team" back. We whine, the coach gets fired. We whine, they bench the QB. Here's a fun fact, nobody gives 2 whooptie nickels that we were great in the 50s and 60s. Nobody cares that our team was stolen and replaced with a mockery expansion team for the last 9 years. Nobody cares the economy in Cleveland sucks. Get over yourselves.

And that...in a nutshell... is exactly what I think Braylon is saying. And I'd agree 100%.

And this is coming from a person who said he'd trade Braylon for a cold ham sandwich as early as 3 years ago and as late as week 3 this year.

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But, I have GOT to agree with him on this one. I've never seen a more arrogant, entitled group of whiners in my life than Browns fans.

We whine, the league gives us our "team" back. We whine, the coach gets fired. We whine, they bench the QB. Here's a fun fact, nobody gives 2 whooptie nickels that we were great in the 50s and 60s. Nobody cares that our team was stolen and replaced with a mockery expansion team for the last 9 years. Nobody cares the economy in Cleveland sucks. Get over yourselves.

And that...in a nutshell... is exactly what I think Braylon is saying. And I'd agree 100%.

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Thank You for putting this out there. Ctown continually runs team, coaches, and players out of town because they think they know whats best for the team. For that reason I think that you would have to be out of your mind to play or coach for this team.

If he thinks comments like this will snub the city, he is wrong. His poor play is what snubbed the city. Why should we appreciate him? He gets paid huge dollars and sucks.

Edit: He sounds so... selfish by making comments like this. He feels underappreciated so he is going to stop doing volunteer charity work? Wow... heh. I feel that doing volunteer work should be about what you do for other people, not what you do for yourself, ya know?

if it were me, i'd find a way to trade him to oakland. buh bye.

Wow I cannot believe that it seems to be the board position that it’s OK to act like idiots.

Show some class. It doesn’t have to be respect, but class. Some of you folks act like Jerry Springer trailer trash. Instead of saying that type of behavior has no place when a player is out with his family some of you just plow ahead and try to justify it. It is again yet another act of stupidity. It is unjustifiable, no matter WHAT. Grow the hell up.

If it where possible I would want BE to know that these fools do not reflect my views and hopefully the vast majority of fans. Sheeeeeeeeeeesh

Some of you really show your colors when a player says he isn’t happy with you, you act even worse. I don’t disagree with letting the player have it when he goofs up, but after it’s over, it’s over, and certainly not when he’s out with his family.

Let me put it this way, no amount of money could get me to go through what some fans have put this team thru this season. And you all can say well my behavior is the result of the product on the field, but the truth is it started (bad behavior) before the season even began, and has festered and grown throughout the season.

To the fans that take the tact that I have the right to act a fool, your right you do. But I will not be a part of it, nor will I endorse it ever, no matter what.

I know this regardless of money, how would you feel if every error mistake or miscue you had where put on public display, and how do you think you would hold up.

I believe that if some of you had to endure similar circumstances your reaction would likely be worst by miles. And I base that opinion on what I see when you are in public. You want the player to act and react with class and respect while you act like fools. I would say it’s time to change a diaper but it’s not BE’s.

BTTB

Football and or his current playing level aside...this is a weak man.

j/k

General comments, I have said, We Browns fans are becoming the biggest whinners in the NFL, When modell took our Browns to Baltimore he took more than a team, he took our BALLS. It use to be it you wanted something you worked for it, Browns fans whinned and we started getting handed to us. Every year when things go wrong, what the first thing you hear come our of a Browns fans mouth.....It wouldnt have happened if modell hadent taken the team....We as fans need to get over this, let it go, nobody other than Browns fans really care...Than we hear how we were screwed with the expansion draft set up or how the first ownership screwed us fans. Ya the economy sucks, ya it's tuff out thier, yes our team bites and heck yes we have some selfish inmature players on this team, but years ago we didnt whine or cry we stood bye our team and supported them, ya we yelled, and didnt aree with everything, but we accepted what we couldnt change and stood by & along side the orange helment, no matter what, nowday's many just wanna stand by when were winning. It's time many Browns fans stop feeling sorry for themselves, or feeling this leauge or ownership owes them anything, it's time we become Browns fans again.

And no i'm not telling anybody how to be a fan, these are just my personnel thoughts, right or wrong thier mine and I'm allowed to have them, do what ya wanna do say what ya wanna say i cant stop ya or change and if I could I wouldnt.

I think you nailed it, Toad.

No one is condoning people harassing him out in public, and no one is saying that yelling at his parents is ok. Heck, I wouldn't know his parents if they were the only ones in a lineup.

My problem is with his attitude. Tell me another NFL city that loves its team as much as we do and who, after all the failures we've had, just sit back and accept it. No, we complain. Too much? Maybe. But tell me, have the people we've complained about deserved it?

We complain a bit about Fraley and his lack of talent. However, I don't think there's anyone on here that doesn't respect the guy. He tries 100% in the games, you can tell that. He just might not have the talent. In this city, we appreciate you trying your best all the time, even if that's not necessarily good enough. Yeah, Fraley might run into some hecklers, but I guarantee it isn't like Edwards. Why? IMO, it's because people respect him because he's (hold your breath) EARNED it through his hard work and his willingness to stand in front of the camera and admit that he's screwed up, then actually go out and try to fix it.

The same goes for someone like Jamal Lewis, or Jurevicius, or even Cribbs. These guys put 100% into every play. Do they make mistakes or fall short? Hell yeah. But it's the EFFORT that speaks volumes. From my perspective, we haven't seen that from Edwards.

And, from a practical standpoint, what does Edwards expect to happen to him now that he's said he's going to punish innocent kids because of the behavior of a few "fans"? What's going to happen is he's going to get heckled even more, right or wrong. That's called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Hey, let's put this in perspective.

When's the last time you heard Chris Henry (Chris Henry!) complaining about the treatment he's received from Bengals fans? When the team brought him back, the actually took out BILLBOARDS complaining about Henry. Did he come out and whine? Did he come out and say he was pulling out all of his charities? Nope. He (Chris Henry!) took it like a man and came out and performed.

And I disagree with Braylon saying he dedicates so much to this team. Has he worked hard to come back from injury? Yes. No one should take that away from him. But after reading his interview in ESPN the magazine this past summer, it left me with a real uneasy feeling that this guy wants the glitz and glamor that goes along with being a celebrity than he does the accolades that come on the football field. That just always sat in the back of my mind, and now, I feel like it's coming out to bite him. It just helps push to the forefront, IMO, that he's just a prima donna who can't handle criticism.

Once again, it really makes me sick that people would go after his folks. There is NO excuse for that. But let's face it people, when you're as high profile as he is, he has to expect to get some resistance, especially from the people of this city. He has to understand that we are simply craving a winner, and if he goes out and (gasp!) performs like he's supposed to, he'd become a hero in this town, regardless of how much money he makes.

As bad as this season's been, imagine if he had come out and played like he did last year. People would have revered him. But he just added to the problem instead of added to a solution. Add in his unwillingness to take blame and then act on it, as well as his unwillingness to talk to the press when he had a bad game, but complain to the press after he's had a good one, and you have a recipe for disaster.

JMHO

i agree, i really hate browns fan as of late. Alot walk around with a sense of entitlement and woe is me etc...I was at browns game a couple years back and saw a young girl and her BF accidentally drive through the muni lot looking for parking. They were wearing steeler jerseys, people threw stuff at her car, smacked her car and windshield actually cracking it. Poor girl was terrified..it was at that moment i realized while we may have the most loyal, we also have top 3 worst fan base..live and let live..seriously

I think this happens in just about every city. I'm sure if you drive through the Eagles' tailgate lot wearing a Giants/Cowboys/Redskins jersey, they're going to treat you pretty poorly. I'm sure if you drive through the Oakland tailgate lot wearing anything but Raiders gear, you're going to get treated poorly. I'm sure if you drive through the Cowboys' lot wearing Eagles/Giants/Redskins gear, you're going to get treated poorly. I have a feeling that if you drive through the Denver lot wearing Oakland stuff, you're going to get treated poorly.

In no way do I condone people acting this way. I'm just saying that it's more or less a fact of life in the NFL.

not to the point where physical harm to person/body is a real possibility. I've gone to browns/steelers games with my browns gear on in pittsburgh and never had an issue..sure a little heckling, but all in all a good time

So you're saying that NO Browns fan at a Steelers game could have been "accosted"?

But I agree with you. No person should ever be subject to physical harm, or even the threat of it, just because he or she is wearing another team's jersey.

*Edit* And, a question to all of you. Some of you are saying that Browns fans have a sense of entitlement. I guess my question is, what do you think the fans feel they're "entitled" to?

I think we're entitled to a good football team. I'm tired of this crappy product. I can only take this crap so long for my own personal sanity.

If I'm Randy Lerner, I call Braylon into my office and I, in my best Vince McMahon voice, go off. "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? Apologize, today."

The Browns need a coach who can get the most out of Braylon and put some fear into him. That being said, I hate to see what the fans are going to do when Braylon drops a pass on the first drive Sunday.

Wow.....just wow. First, the quote doesn't tell what BE was thinking and meaning. Unfortunately, it was lost. Second....man, the entitlement of some people on here.

BE either didn't express himself well or the quote was creatively manipulated, I don't know which. I do know that he expressed to some that I've talked ot as to WHY he was going to focus his chairty work in Detroit. The reason is al listed, but is lost. His family has been harassed in public. That is totaly inexcusable. It is yet another embarassment on what is a growing list of pathetic behavior by people that call themselves "fans". It is sad that every time we see this behavior form the "best fans in the NFL", it is excused with the "ever team has some idiots" mantra or even condoned by talking about how we are "entitled" to a good football team.

It's those actions and attitude by many "fans" that has made BE draw the conclusion that it just isn't worth it to be out in public at these types of events and open up the possibility of this kind of abuse. THAT is why he's doing it....not because he's an immature brat harming kids and all that. He's doing it because he and his family are being treated like crap. That's totally uncalled for and if ANY of you were in that situation, would and SHOULD factor that in.

If you want to boo at a game, have at it. You bought a ticket. If you think you have the right to harass and abuse a player away from the stadium RUN, don't walk, to the nearest mental health facility and check yourself in.

Oh, and Ammo, no offense, but if the Browns being bad is threatening your sanity, you should check in with a counselor. You have a serious issue if you are serious about that.

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Alot walk around with a sense of entitlement and woe is me

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This isn't just fans of Cleveland, this could be applied to Americans in general. I see it at work, on the news, at games . . .

We have and are slowly becoming an obnoxious lot. I see young kids come in to work with this attitude that they want "their respect" with no clue what respect means and what comes along with it.

They want the reward without the effort . . .

As for Braylon, he is basically in so many ways saying to everyone "I don't know how to handle adversity, and I would rather be anywhere else but here."

Unfortunately for him, that won't alleviate his problems.

Coach, if you're right that the quote was manipulated, then my apologies for jumping on BE, at least as far as that's concerned.

However, I have a couple questions regarding your post.

You say there's a sense of "entitlement", but what do you feel we're saying we're "entitled" to? You don't think we're "entitled" to a good team?

And, I don't think anyone is saying that people treating him poorly and his family poorly is a good thing. But, you do go on to say that if you buy tickets to a game, you can boo him there. Isn't that hurting his feelings, too?

I think what makes a lot of people mad isn't that he's upset that his family is being harassed. A lot of people are mad because Edwards has begun (continued?) to come off as a petulant child who absolutely cannot handle adversity. It comes off, to me at least, that the reason he's struggled this year is because of the fans, not because of anything he's done.

Keep in mind that I absolutely cannot stand any high paid athletes who whine, be it Edwards, TO, Chad Johnson, anyone. I'd rather the guy just go out, perform, and then disappear until the next game. Do your talking through your performance on the field.

As soon as an athlete comes out and complains about the organization, the fans, the coaches, they take an instant hit in my book. Now, some players have a certain amount of credibility. Look at Jamal Lewis. When he speaks out against the coaching, I listen. This is a guy who has had a nice career and is a team player. He does what he's supposed to do. Unfortunately, he relies on some help from people who aren't providing it to him. But not once has he said "I'm not getting 6 yards a carry because the fans don't like that I played for Baltimore."

Fans are mad at Edwards because he has failed at the ONE job that he was drafted to do, which is catch the ball. Then, add on some whining (yes, whining) that he was a "marked man", and it's just going to get worse.

What was stopping Edwards from trying to get in people's good graces by INCREASING the amount of charity work, etc. he did around the city of Cleveland?

*Edit* Oh, and if you're allowed (I know your sources are a bit sensitive), what was the complete quote, or why he's going to concentrate in Detroit? If you can't say, that's fine. Just thought I'd ask.