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To me it is all a laugh.............I don't blame *Leon* for getting pissed at the Cleveland fanbase. Hell, if I was getting abused at a restaurant, I'd punch your lights out.
Now, as far as this *entitled* BS that some of you are condoning us (the FANS) for, this *whining* crap...let me remind you..........
when Bynar fumbled in the championship game....did we blame him ??? no the guy fought hard for us all year long...it happened...Cleveland luck
The pass to Ozzie in the end zone ???...I think a Cockroft try was the best bet...do we blame Sipe ?? Ozzie ?? nope they both played their asses off all year.
The *Drive*...watch the tape...there's no way you can tell me that the D' didn't give it their all....
Leon dropping EASY passes and only focusing when he wants...no excuse..
There's a difference between whining as fans and *bitching* as fans and some of you do not know the difference. Thousands of dollars spent over the years do entitle you to at LEAST a competitive team. To say that we "whine" to get our team back, to get the coach we want, the QB we want .....hell, thas just plain ignorant...WE ARE BROWNS FANS.....we EXPECT to be good....
If a co-worker doesn't do his job...do I *whine* about it ??? NO... I BITCH ! big difference.
So the few of you complaining, saying we are whining......
I've been a fan since the sixties and I say............
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Nobody feels "entitled". We just want people to do their jobs.
When we're at work, the groceries, getting car repairs, and yes, at the stasdium too. How long would you keep your job if you were paid top money and never performed to your pay scale.
It's BE who feels "entitled". Entitled to something he hasn't EARNED
But then, I'm not surprised when some can't grasp that........
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I can't. That would be name calling which is against the rules here ya know.................
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Nobody feels "entitled". We just want people to do their jobs.
When we're at work, the groceries, getting car repairs, and yes, at the stasdium too. How long would you keep your job if you were paid top money anf never performed to your pay scale.
It's BE who feels "entitled". Entitled to something he hasn't EARNED
But then, I'm not surprised when some can't grasp that........
Pit, that's all well and good. However, in those professions you listed, how many of them have their family insulted and harassed in public? How many have their homes vadalized on several occasions?
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Through the way he does his job, he has to earn the right to go to dinner and not get harrassed? Through the way he does his job, he has to earn the right to not get heckled at a charity function where he is volunteering his time and his money? He may have earned some boos on the field, he may have earned harsh criticism in the press.. but beyond that, he doesn't have to perform his job to a certain level to "earn" the right to be treated like a decent human being.
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Neither do actors, famous CEOs, other sports figures, politicians, people who just happen to fall into the media spotlight, etc.....all these people get harrassed, but they don't all start crying and pointing fingers at a fanbase and muttering nonsense about being hated because they played for Michigan, etc.
The people that don't have to put up with it in their day to day job don't make millions of dollars to do their job and haven't picked picked jobs that put them in the spotlight. These people get MANY perks from being celebrities....the downside is being well-known by the idiots in society. You either live with that, or get out....it's not a surprise to them, or certainly shouldn't be.
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What happened to his home, and how many times did something happen. I haven't heard.
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I don't know the exact number and I didn't get details, only that some things had been left at the house and some damage has been done "a few times".
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It should be remembered that harassment is a crime no matter whether the victim is a celebrity or not. If proven, depending on the severity and frequency of the conduct and the harasser's prior criminal record, harassment can be punishable as either a gross misdemeanor or a felony. http://www.letswrap.com/legal/harass.htm
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Neither do actors, famous CEOs, other sports figures, politicians, people who just happen to fall into the media spotlight, etc.....all these people get harrassed, but they don't all start crying and pointing fingers at a fanbase and muttering nonsense about being hated because they played for Michigan, etc.
Yeah, you never hear anything about actors ever having physical altercations with papparazzi, or any other athletes ever crying to the press in the towns the play in. Tim Couch never cried (literally) about the fanbase hating him. TO has never brought any distractions over personal beef to the media. Politicians never sling mud at one another in the press. Nope, its only Braylon Edwards.
Give it up. Like someone else said, his poor play has earned him boos on the playing field and criticism in the press. Nothing he has done deserves any sort of harassment, regardless of how much money he does or does not make. Do you think that the guy bagging your groceries at Giant Eagle is thinking "man, I'm glad I chose to be a grocery bagger instead of a professional athlete making millions"?
Live with it or get out...sounds like he's doing just that. Getting out, that is. And everyone is crying about it.
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Live with it or get out...sounds like he's doing just that. Getting out, that is. And everyone is crying about it.
Maybe he is doing just that. If so, good for him. I'll help him pack.
I don't see anyone crying about him getting out. What I see is edwards crying about being harrassed, so he's taking his ball and going home.
Now, harrassment in a physical sense or verbal sense away from the field is wrong. I think just about everyone has admitted that. It's wrong and should stop.
However, all we hear from edwards is "I gave everything I could, I led this team from the darkness last year, and all I hear is michigan crap, my parents being harrassed, my house being vandalized, the browns fans blame me for the drive and the fumble...etc etc etc"
Not once has edwards acknowledged that perhaps instead of all the excuses he's giving for being booed, perhaps it is because he can't catch the damn ball often enough. Perhaps it is because he runs lazy routes. Perhaps edwards problem is not michigan, or the drive, or the fumble - perhaps his problem is him but he's afraid to own up to it.
Wait. Not perhaps - it's a fact. His problem this year wasn't there last year. What's the difference? Good year vs. bad year. Yet here he comes wanting to blame the fans for this year? He tries to get all the credit for last year, but this year it's the fans?
He's a prima donna wanna be that has been babied his whole life. He's the spoiled child malcontent that can't get enough attention when it's good, but cries when it's bad. All based on his performance on the field, by the way. His excuses are getting inane.
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Geez, I'm not even going to post them here - there's too many.
Go to youtube and search for " leon commercials". Watch them and tell me it's not b.e.'s attitude.
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Who cares what he is saying. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that he thinks the fans hate him (which most of them do), and because of that he's taking his charity work to his hometown instead of doing it in a town where people hate him. And yeah, plenty of people are apparently crying that this is "unfair" and that he's "punishing the children". So I guess it should be "hey Braylon, we hate you, but shut up about it and keep dumping your money into our city"? He wouldn't be hated any less in Cleveland if he had the demeanor of a saint but dropped 20 passes this season. His worth in Cleveland is defined by what he does on the football field. He donated $1 million in college scholarships to deserving children, and people say "yeah, that's great, but you dropped X amount of passes" and then berate him for it. Should he shut up? Yeah, he probably should. Will it make Clevelanders hate him any less? Nope. he could roll down Euclid Ave. throwing wads of cash at people, and all anyone would say is that he sucks because he can't catch a football. They'd probably chastise him for driving a nice car, too.
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I think you almost get it. Almost.
First of all, hate is a strong word. I don't think anyone hates b.e. the person. Let's face it, hardly any of us (probably none of us) know b.e. the person.
I don't care how much money he throws out. I don't care how much he gives to charity (oh, and also, let's just make this known: pro athletes give money to foundations for a reason, and that is tax reasons, ok? Sure, some of them, most of them, feel good about it when they do, and they should, but they also give just about exactly what their tax accountant says they should)
Why do I say that? Leon's charity work is neither here nor there for me. He can keep all his money if he likes, or give it all away. It's not his money, nor his charity that causes me to dislike him. It's his lack of performance, and what really gets me is he blames the fans for it..........his michigan college days, the drive, the fumble, etc.........yet he wants credit for leading the team out of the darkness last year.
He flat out cannot accept the fact that people boo him because he stinks this year.
And, please note the disclaimer: he should not be harrassed outside of football, and his parents should not be heckled at any time, any place.
However, now some people are saying his house was vandalized, yet when I search for it, I can't find anything. Now, granted, I'm not the best searcher, so if anyone can find an article or articles about it, I'd like to read them. I haven't found any. Makes me wonder how vandalized his house was............or is it just something he said to get some pity?
Oh, one last disclaimer: I don't care for b.e. Never have, never will. I jump up and down when he catches passes and t.d's, cause he's doing it for the team I love. I curse him when he sucks it up, cause he's doing for the team I love.
Perhaps if b.e. could realize that people are on him because of the season he, and the browns, are having, he would be better off for it.
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There's no almost about it. I get it completely.
There have been several articles posted throughout the season where he has stated that the problems are on him, that they are lapses of focus or concentration, that he blames himself, and so on. And what happened when those articles came out? He was dismissed as being a liar. He simply cannot win with this fanbase regardless of what he says. Like I just said, his value to Cleveland lives and dies with his production on the football field. You said so yourself..." It's not his money, nor his charity that causes me to dislike him. It's his lack of performance..." He didn't use Michigan, or the Drive, or the Fumble as an excuse for his performance this year; he used them as examples of reasons that a frustrated fan base doesn't like him, and he's right. There are plenty of people that don't like him, and never have, simply because he was a Wolverine. You might be one of them, but there are plenty of them out there. And every time he drops a pass, those people say stuff like "typical Michigan player" or "a Buckeye wouldn't have dropped it." Long-time fans experienced the drive and the fumble as our closest brushes with greatness in the past 40 years and that frustrates them to no end. When he drops a pass it elevates that frustration, and the blame piles on him.
He simply cannot win in this town.
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I don't recall anyone on these boards bashing him just cuz he's from Michigan.
We just expect a millionaire wideout to catch the damn ball. Especially one with such a high opinion of himself.
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Ok I have bashed him and in doing so brought up the fact that he was from Michigan, but him being from Michigan was not the reason I bashed him, it was just an easy thing to target on him.
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Pit, that's all well and good. However, in those professions you listed, how many of them have their family insulted and harassed in public? How many have their homes vadalized on several occasions?
I agree with you that treating his family that way and treating BE that way in public is just plain wrong. And I would never promote vandalism.
But Babe kind of touched on it. As wrong as that is, when you take such a high profile job, it's unfortunatly a given that you stick your neck out to such things. I mean, maybe a kid coming out of college doesn't understand that. And it's very sad that our society stoops to such a level. But the reality is that often times to become a millionaire, there's some ugly baggage attatched.
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Having an opinion on his play is one thing. Harassment is another.
And I would never do something like that. And I believe such acts described are just as wrong as you do. But I believe with all of the nut jobs in the world, you would have to understand that it comes with the territory, sadly.
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I don't know the exact number and I didn't get details, only that some things had been left at the house and some damage has been done "a few times".
I hadn't heard that either Coach. But I hope for BE's sake he learns the lesson I learned long ago..............
"Consider the source."
Hopefully BE will understand that this is a very small fraction of our fan base. ( if you can even call them "fans" at all ) And that there are fringe elements in every sector of our society. Be that Religion, Sports or about anything else.
And it seems in some of his recsent statements, he pretty much generalises that this is widely done and that we as a fan base are that way. When in fact, it's just a small minority of fans that would even consider such behavior.
And no matter where he plays, that fringe element will be wherever he goes. Yet he's generalising that we as a fan base are like that. Sort of like stereotypes that he would cry foul if someone lumped him in.
The problem I see Coach, is that he makes it sound like it's standard practice in Cleveland. That's just not the case IMO
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He didn't use Michigan, or the Drive, or the Fumble as an excuse for his performance this year; he used them as examples of reasons that a frustrated fan base doesn't like him,
Frustrated fan base. Yes. Absolutely. Look how the fan base is turning against Fraley, Winslow, DA, even Dorsey now, RAC, Chud, our D coordinater (tucker I think?), Wright, McDonald, Wimbley.....heck, most of our players.
Why? Because of frustration. How many of them have called out the fans, threatened to take their charity work elsewhere, blamed it on the college they were from, blamed the drive, the fumble etc???? How many of the other players that have been turned against have been outspoken against the fans and whined about it?
Braylon is frustrated. With good reason, based on the season he is having, and the team is having. His whining about the fans shows what kind of person he is. His statement about leading the team out of the darkness last year, and now the fans turning against him because he's from michigan, etc..........that's a leon for you. "celebrate me when I do good, don't blame me when I don't".
He's frustrated and he's taking it out on the fans with no reason to do that - he's looking for reason to do that.
If we were 10-4 he wouldn't be saying anything negative at all - maybe he'd throw a fit or 2 on the sideline.
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Yeah, you never hear anything about actors ever having physical altercations with papparazzi, or any other athletes ever crying to the press in the towns the play in. Tim Couch never cried (literally) about the fanbase hating him. TO has never brought any distractions over personal beef to the media. Politicians never sling mud at one another in the press. Nope, its only Braylon Edwards.
So two wrongs make a right? Excusing poor behavior because somebody else did it is a cop out.
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He's frustrated and he's taking it out on the fans with no reason to do that - he's looking for reason to do that.
If what he says about being harrassed in public, and like someone else said, being harrassed at public charity events, then he does have a reason to take it out on fans. Obviously it isn't all fans doing it, or even a majority, and Edwards could have handled it better, but if you can't go out in public without being harrassed, it would be extremely frustrating. He overgeneralized in his statements, but he has every reason to be frustrated with part of the fanbase.
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He's frustrated and he's taking it out on the fans with no reason to do that - he's looking for reason to do that.
If what he says about being harrassed in public, and like someone else said, being harrassed at public charity events, then he does have a reason to take it out on fans. Obviously it isn't all fans doing it, or even a majority, and Edwards could have handled it better, but if you can't go out in public without being harrassed, it would be extremely frustrating. He overgeneralized in his statements, but he has every reason to be frustrated with part of the fanbase.
I disagree. He has every right to be frustrated with the 10 or 100 people that heckle him when he's out, yes. But he also ought to be big enough to realize that, even if it was 1000 people heckling him or harrassing him, that number is next to nothing in comparison to the fan base of the Browns.
b.e. needs to grow up. He's acting like a petulant child. Why'd he have to go public with the "...not doing charity here..." thing? Why? He thought he would be able to get back at the few people hat harrassed him.
Glamour and glory, that's what this kid is about. He hasn't grown up yet, and I have to wonder if he will. Geez, look at his statement, talking to the press recently: "the first thing you guys asked me about when I got drafted was my Bentley. The second thing was will I be able to handle the michigan taunts" (that is not an exact quote)
Petulant child. Spoiled brat. Celebrate me when I'm good, don't blame me if I'm not. And oh yeah, I bought a Bentley before I signed a contract. And I'm going to hollywood......The sooner he gets over himself, the better off he'll, and the Browns, will be.
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Yeah, you never hear anything about actors ever having physical altercations with papparazzi, or any other athletes ever crying to the press in the towns the play in. Tim Couch never cried (literally) about the fanbase hating him. TO has never brought any distractions over personal beef to the media. Politicians never sling mud at one another in the press. Nope, its only Braylon Edwards.
So two wrongs make a right? Excusing poor behavior because somebody else did it is a cop out.
I'm not excusing anything. I'm pointing out that Braylon isn't the first, and won't be the last, public figure to lash back out at those who are doing the same to him.
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He's frustrated and he's taking it out on the fans with no reason to do that - he's looking for reason to do that.
If what he says about being harrassed in public, and like someone else said, being harrassed at public charity events, then he does have a reason to take it out on fans. Obviously it isn't all fans doing it, or even a majority, and Edwards could have handled it better, but if you can't go out in public without being harrassed, it would be extremely frustrating. He overgeneralized in his statements, but he has every reason to be frustrated with part of the fanbase.
I disagree. He has every right to be frustrated with the 10 or 100 people that heckle him when he's out, yes. But he also ought to be big enough to realize that, even if it was 1000 people heckling him or harrassing him, that number is next to nothing in comparison to the fan base of the Browns.
b.e. needs to grow up. He's acting like a petulant child. Why'd he have to go public with the "...not doing charity here..." thing? Why? He thought he would be able to get back at the few people hat harrassed him.
Glamour and glory, that's what this kid is about. He hasn't grown up yet, and I have to wonder if he will. Geez, look at his statement, talking to the press recently: "the first thing you guys asked me about when I got drafted was my Bentley. The second thing was will I be able to handle the michigan taunts" (that is not an exact quote)
Petulant child. Spoiled brat. Celebrate me when I'm good, don't blame me if I'm not. And oh yeah, I bought a Bentley before I signed a contract. And I'm going to hollywood......The sooner he gets over himself, the better off he'll, and the Browns, will be.
You're right, its not a majority of fans that harass Braylon Edwards in public, because its not a majority of Browns fans that even see Braylon Edwards in public. The fact of the matter is that he has never been embraced by the majority of the Cleveland Browns fanbase. "All he has to do is shut up and produce and I'll like him"...bullcrap. That's what he did last season, shut up and produce, and he still got badmouthed week in and week out. This fanbase has it in for any player who expresses just about any sentiment beyond "I'm so grateful and feel so privileged to play for such a storied franchise that I wish I could play for free." Hell, even Phil Dawson got criticized by many when he said he wanted a contract extension before the start of the season.
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Wrong. No, he did not. Yes, when he blew up on the sidelines people called him out about it. You think since he had a good year last year he should be able to act like a jackass?
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This fanbase has it in for any player who expresses just about any sentiment beyond "I'm so grateful and feel so privileged to play for such a storied franchise that I wish I could play for free." Hell, even Phil Dawson got criticized by many when he said he wanted a contract extension before the start of the season.
Wrong yet again. This fan base does NOT hold that attitude. Well, at least not for players that play. Players that earn their money. Yeah, with prima donna's, they better show up and produce every week or else they'll hear it. Leon, anyone?
Dawson? Why in God's name would you bring Dawsons name into a discussion about b.e.? Dawson has been the epitome of team player since he's been here. Dawson has done it year in and year out. I have never seen Dawson half ass it. I have never seen Dawson say he led the team out of the darkness. I have never, ever, once seen or heard Dawson say (when he missed a kick) oh, the fans don't like me cause of the fumble and the drive and I went to such and such school. Dawson has never ever once said "I"m taking my charity work back to my hometown and won't be doing any here".
Know why? Cause Dawson respects himself. He respects the fans. He respects Cleveland. AND, he doesn't believe in blaming others for his own problems. Leon is the exact opposite. You don't need to like it. But it's true. Leon wants all the attention until it's bad attention.
To compare Dawson with leon is ludicrous. leon loses out in every situation possible.
Leon is a me me me guy. He has shown that in the past, he's showing it now. Why in the hell does it take some people so long to see it?
Leon compared to Dawson? Inane and pathetic.
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Do I have to spell every single thing out for you? Do you just scan my posts and pick out a couple words here and there? If you'd actually read what I put in my last post, I'd think you'd be able to tell that I brought up Dawson because he's a consummate team player and professional, and when he said he wanted a contract extension, the reaction of many still was "oh great, another Browns player wants a new contract" and "produce first, then we'll talk about a new contract".
"1 Million a year to be in a game about 5 minutes a week for 20 weeks? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me."
"I love how they wait until the season starts to start pulling this crap. "
"Add dawson to the list of malcontents"
"New kicker next year.....mark it down. "
"He is a kicker with like 3 years left on his deal. Suck it up. "
"I get tired of guys signing a contract, then wanting a new one. You signed it, you honor it. If you perform well enough, then you'll be rewarded at the end of it, or have it redone later on down the line. "
Some of the reactions just on this board to our most tenured, and probably most valuable, player on the team, because he feels he deserves to be paid like one of the best kickers in the game (which he is), and rightfully so.
See how that works? I'm sure you can draw the logical conclusions of my point from here.
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See how that works? I'm sure you can draw the logical conclusions of my point from here.
Yeah, I see how it works. One of the best at his position feels he's underpaid. Mention is made of it. Nothing happens. That same player goes out and does his job, outstandingly.
He doesn't blame fans, or his college choice, nor the drive nor the fumble. He shuts his mouth and does his job.
Do I need to explain any further?
There's a lesson to be learned here. will leon learn it? I doubt it.
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Ok, since you still don't get it, here it is. Just like when we all learned how to write topic sentences for paragraphs back in elementary school. Here goes:
The negative response to our most respected player (Phil Dawson) wanting a contract extension is evidence that the Cleveland Browns fanbase will jump on even its most respected players when they do anything other than "shut up and produce", to use the parlance of this board, even if they do just that: shut up and produce, as in the case of Phil Dawson.
Cribbs stating he wanted to restructure his deal garnered a similar response. These guys did everything perfectly the right way, show up, do their jobs and do them well, and the fans still label them greedy and overpaid. If the fanbase will show its most respected players that sort of "loyalty", just imagine what it will show to its most despised? Oh wait, we're seeing just that now.
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You have a valid point, no doubt.
However, 2 things I would add.
1. Show me a player in the nfl that DOESN'T think they need a new contract and more money. (that doesn't apply to only the nfl players, it applies to just about every person in the country. We all think we're worth more.)
2. Some players handle it better than others, but this fanbase displeasure you speak of is NOT exclusive to the Browns or the Browns fan base.
Fans have every right to voice their pleasure or displeasure with any player, coach, team, front office, etc. Especially so when it is done on a message board, or at the stadium.
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j/c I think this is mostly the result of complete and total frustration on the part of the fans and Braylon. Sure Braylon needs to suck it up and realize he is a major cog in the wheel of the offense and he failed the team and the fans and should expect some backlash. And he needs to take it as a lesson to improve himself. But also it is NOT a part of the fans duty to harass him and his family in their personal space. OR to harass him when he is doing community service. The fans do have a right to complain, but please do in the realm of booing at the stadium, writing letters, b!tching on message boards, ranting on talk radio shows, etc. Harassing players and their families is classless and ugly and is certainly not going to inspire a player to want to stay in Cleveland or think much of Cleveland fans. I realize we are all so freakin frustrated with this team for so many freakin years, but for the love of god don't tear down the souls of our players such that they can't stand it here. They are only human and not gods or pieces of meat or have no feelings. 
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1) He has gotten a bit of a raw deal from the fans here.
2) He needs to be a man about it.
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