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I also have to give one a minimum wage increase next week (thanks, Ohio), which doesn't add up to much
It's too bad they have to eat too, isn't it?
It creates a level purchasing standard for those making minimum wage .... and an inflationary standard for those making more than minimum wage, because prices go up to cover the increase in wages. (and often those employees making above minimum wagw don't get a comeasurate increase on January 1st)
In the end .... has an increased minimum wage really helped those making minimum wage ..... or does it just make some people feel better for having "tried"?
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I also have to give one a minimum wage increase next week (thanks, Ohio), which doesn't add up to much
It's too bad they have to eat too, isn't it?
If they couldn't eat before they sure as hell will have a hard time if they're unemployed.
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That's got to be a crapper for you guys AND the employees.
I'm not kidding Arch,, it's an awful thing to have to do....
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I also have to give one a minimum wage increase next week (thanks, Ohio), which doesn't add up to much
It's too bad they have to eat too, isn't it?
Lotta good that does when people have to be let go to make up the difference in the budget. So now you have 1 guy making minimum wage, and another standing on the street corner in the rain.
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I also have to give one a minimum wage increase next week (thanks, Ohio), which doesn't add up to much
It's too bad they have to eat too, isn't it?
Lotta good that does when people have to be let go to make up the difference in the budget. So now you have 1 guy making minimum wage, and another standing on the street corner in the rain.
My point exactly. Not to mention that the minimum wage also covers all the kids that work as well. Paying teenagers that kind of money is crazy, especially when you look at how much they lack productivity.
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Yeah, it's real easy to sit back and blame small business owners for simply trying to stay in business so they can employee people. Increasing the minimum wage backfires on everybody. It looks better to sit around and use the compassion card when actually you are hurting the working person in the end. Makes a lot of sense.  Just like the bailouts, a lot of people don't look at the big picture, they look at it far too simplisticly.
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Wondering if anyone else noticed the smaller number of teens working at fast food restaurants? I figured it had to do with minimum wage hikes. People looking for work, can now get decent wages, at jobs that used to be mainly geared to high schoolers looking for a little spending cash. When I was growing up, the only adult at the local McD's was the manager. And at best they were early 20's 
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I also have to give one a minimum wage increase next week (thanks, Ohio), which doesn't add up to much
It's too bad they have to eat too, isn't it?
Yeah, I'm sure her extra $4.50 per week will put a lot of food on the table, Pit. Besides, this woman is already collecting Social Security and her husband is getting retirement from somewhere...so, she will be just fine. She's already told me she works to basically get out of the house a bit.
The thing is, this isn't about the employee -- it's about my business. I know it's hard for some people to see how these increases, no matter how small, really hurt a business and its owners. And, to top it off, unless you understand how the "bottom line" works, all you see is the poor employee losing a couple hours and a few bucks. There really is a "bigger picture" here.
I'm not cutting hours just yet. We'll see how January goes. But I'll tell you this...when the business is back to making less a day than its spending on payroll and utilities...you can bet your ass something will have to give.
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I'm currently looking at a $15,000 decrease in revenue for my business. Now, I don't have employees.........just me. The bills are all still there (I pay the bank).
What does that $15,000 decrease in revenue do to me? Like I said, the bills are still there, so it basically hits me on the bottom line - my income. Dropped immensely this year, and I don't see it changing next year, other than probably decreasing even more.
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I understand, and it sucks. I haven't been "paid" since buying this place, and I really don't expect to be any time soon. 
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So the "$4.50" a week makes or breaks your business?
I understand what you're saying. But you are looking at "you're big picture". Which everyone must do.
Here's yet another "big picture" way of looking at it too.
The less someone makes, the more public assistance they get. Which is a burdern on everyone. So it's a lose/lose situation. Both for businesses or the taxpayer. In the end, somebody pays.
I was basicly second in charge of a small business for 15 years. My bonuses were based on profit. So I fully understand how rising wages effects business. I also know how low wages in effect drain our tax dollars because so many qualify under low wages creating a burden on tax payers.
Kind of a double edged sword IMO
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right along with raising the minimum wage, they usually raise the amount needed to qualify for assistance. So it ends up a wash and the tax payers still cover them anyway.
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You forgot counting the increases of workers compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare taxes and even liability insurance in some cases. You are also overpricing entry-level labor. Why don't we just raise minimum wage to $20/hr? Then nobody would be poor or need to go to college. Heck kids could drop-out of high school and we wouldn't need to be taxed for schools.
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You forgot counting the increases of workers compensation insurance, unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare taxes and even liability insurance in some cases.
You are also overpricing entry-level labor. Why don't we just raise minimum wage to $20/hr? Then nobody would be poor or need to go to college. Heck kids could drop-out of high school and we wouldn't need to be taxed for schools.
We should just change the UAW to the "United American Workers".
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We should just change the UAW to the "United American Workers".
We should...and the current UAW should just change theirs to AARP considering there are more widows and retirees than actual workers in it. 
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So the "$4.50" a week makes or breaks your business?
Of course not. But when I cross the line in to losing money, I only have one place to get some back, and that's payroll. I feel that losing one employee is better than losing all four, don't you? And, believe it or not, I need to start drawing a paycheck myself or I'll be looking for a job.
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That picture isn't the responsibility of small business owners. They need to focus on their bottom line. Many have very tight margins and if the lose just a little bit of money for short periods they can go out of business. I know more then a few small business owners and not a one of them ever likes to fire people, let alone lay someone off.
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Exactly. I wish I had to hire 10 more people to meet my needs.
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I was basicly second in charge of a small business for 15 years. My bonuses were based on profit. So I fully understand how rising wages effects business.
Were you in charge of making payroll? Were you in charge of making the tax payments? In short, were you in charge of any of the finances of that business? Were you in charge of making the payments, paying bills?
Or were you in charge, or second in charge, of making sure the jobs got done?
Were you in charge of the billing? Were you in charge of the collecting? Did you have access to the books to see how the business was doing?
Or, again, were you the head man out on the job? Either one is a good job with responsibility, a lot of responsibility. However, if you didn't do the "business" end of it, if your job was out doing the work, it is possible you don't know quite as much as state.
Don't get me wrong, somebody has to do the work, or see that it's get done, in order for their to be billing, collecting, tax paying, etc. So, even though you will probably take it as me knocking you when I'm not, I'm just curious how much of the paper work end you were in charge of.
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Starving and depriving them seems so much more logical. That's why, if the ship isn't righted soon? You may end up being a victim. If you think people are gonna starve before attacking the Burbs? Think again. Your line of thinking may be making you your own worst enemy. And if so? I'll LMAO
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Were you in charge of making payroll? Were you in charge of making the tax payments? In short, were you in charge of any of the finances of that business? Were you in charge of making the payments, paying bills?
The books were open to me, yes. In charge of it? No.
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Were you in charge of the billing? Were you in charge of the collecting? Did you have access to the books to see how the business was doing?
I sold the jobs, gave them the bill and collected the check, yes. And the books were openned to me at all times so I was fully aware of what the margin needed was to turn a profit and the total amount per quarter that was paid out in taxes, yes.
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Either one is a good job with responsibility, a lot of responsibility. However, if you didn't do the "business" end of it, if your job was out doing the work, it is possible you don't know quite as much as state.
Sorry, but I do. I know about matching SSI, about paying into unemployment, about paying into workman's comp. and the margin needed to be profitable.
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Don't get me wrong, somebody has to do the work, or see that it's get done, in order for their to be billing, collecting, tax paying, etc. So, even though you will probably take it as me knocking you when I'm not, I'm just curious how much of the paper work end you were in charge of.
I don't take it as you knocking me. I take it as not fully knowing the situation. The old man was going to retire and wanted me to take over the business. So I was in charge of the jobs, did the sales, oversaw the books and learned every facet of the business.
I spendt at least 40 hours "on job" and at least twenty hours a week selling and going over the books. My average work week was 60-70 hours.
I actually ran my own business for four years until a GREAT offer came in commercial work. At some point I wanted a life outside work. So I took it. Now on THAT job I just ran work. Much easier.
So people are preaching to the choir and it sounds like some are in it over their heads complaining about a VERY MINOR increase in minimum wage and bad economic times.
It's hitting everybody. It's not exclusive to small businesses. I feel your pain, but you're not alone. I would use one of your many phrases you toss out to rub salt in the wound, but I won't.
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it sounds like some are in it over their heads complaining about a VERY MINOR increase in minimum wage and bad economic times.
It's the tip of the iceberg, Roy, that's all. If you call it complaining, so be it. But, I'll tell you what, if the economy doesn't pick up soon, I will be covering over 40 hours per week at my own store and still not making one red cent as my personal income. I also knew exactly what I was getting in to, and I knew the day might come that I have to scale back on some employee hours to make this work.
You should actually be thankful we bought this business instead of bitching about it. If we hadn't, the previous owners were going to close it. Then there would have been four people losing income about 60 others losing commission. 
Maybe you should go in to consulting since $5 here and $5 there doesn't seem to make that big of a difference to you.
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Banking apeears to be my calling. Billions of dollars with zero accountability! Yeah, that's the ticket! All I'm saying is everybody is included in hurting. It's not exclusive to small businesses. And you are right. With any small business you must weigh the risk/reward thing. Which is exactly WHY I went to work in commercial work. I knew better. With all the Mecicans taking away the construction trade jobs? How could I compete with people paying a van load of Mexicans $8.00 an hour? I could see the writing on the wall. Now? It's getting ugly for everybody. I'm sorry that's the way it is. But no, when I ran that business, EVERYBODY who worked there could have been given a $1.00 an hour raise and still a fine profit would have been made. But those days are long gone sadly. And like everything, there's a trickle down effect. That's why more people like you are facing some of the very same thing I had to face years ago. And it does suck. I know from experience. The old man retired and I went into commercial work. I made the right decision and never looked back. Illegal immigrants are great for the corperate line. But it killed thousands of small businesses. And as such, lower wages and a far less standard of living for such trademen ensued. I'm really very sorry to hear of your troubles. But the construction trade has been there and done that. As surprising as this may sound, I do know a thing or two about a thing or two. I've warned people this was coming. But in the bask of prosperity, many dismissed it as alarmism. Now suddenly the bell is ringing and many seem stunned by it.
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I never said you didn't know a thing or two, but guess what, I do as well. And, I'm not stunned at all by what is happening in my business, but when people are looked down upon for cutting a few hours of the "little guy" it tends to irritate the "bigger little guy". I can't take a pay cut, so guess who that leaves? I need to do some restructuring anyway...the job these women do is NOT worth $7.30 an hour. Hell, it's not even worth $5 an hour, really. Let's just say I inherited a couple employees that wouldn't know what customer service was if it hit them upside the head.
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Wondering if anyone else noticed the smaller number of teens working at fast food restaurants?
I figured it had to do with minimum wage hikes. People looking for work, can now get decent wages, at jobs that used to be mainly geared to high schoolers looking for a little spending cash.
I can say that I've noticed a trend of that sort...but if it's true, I think it's probably more indicative of people going broke in a tough job market than the 'decent wages'.
When it comes to people outside of the teen/early 20's, I highly doubt that McDonald's wages coupled with the stress of the job would appeal to anyone but the desperate or those without the skills/intelligence to progress (not trying to belittle McDonald's employees...just being a realist).
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I would use one of your many phrases you toss out to rub salt in the wound, but I won't.
I asked you some simple questions. You answered them. Why in God's name would you go here: "I would use one of your many phrases you toss out to rub salt in the wounds, but I won't."?
What in the hell do you mean? I ask some simple questions and you get defensive and try to insult me?
Grow up.
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