because its posters and fans with your mentallity that makes me upset....yall want to get rid of edwards cause he had a bad year. the kid went to the pro-bowl last year....oh how soon we forget around here. the fact is braylon is more talented than 95% of the wrs in the leauge...why isnt his wr coach working with him on his hands? why does all the blame get thrown his way? I saw all kinds of drops this year....not just braylon was having trouble this year....but with your logic we should just can the whole team and bring in free agents and draft picks? thats an absolute joke.....there isnt anyone in free agency that has the talent and potential that edwards has....its up to randy to get a coach in here that will get the most out of his players....but you have noone to bring in in braylons place you dont dump a talent like that with no backup plan
Quote: and we as fans need to support our team and our players....not run them out of town with our mouths!
b.e. has run himself out of town with his own mouth. The fans have not done it. The fans have responded to his lack of desire, his lack of performance, and his lack of tact in most everything he's said this year.
His true personna has shown through this year. He's a prima donna that can't handle pressure. He's a prima donna football wanna be player that cares more about his relationship with hollywood than he does about his team.
One of the mags, Sports Illustrated, Sporting News, or maybe ESPN the mag.......trailed b.e. this past off season. He was more concerned about hooking up with agents and actors and actresses than he was about the season. He acted like football was secondary to his acting career.
Funny, he played like it this year too. If he thinks Browns fans are harsh, just wait til he acts in his first movie. He'll get raked over the coals by everyone, not just Browns fans.
Do or Do Not Do, there is no try. (something like that). Sorry, b.e., 1 decent year out of 4 for a pick as high as you, a pick that has turned against the fans...........I hope you get traded to Detroit.
Wow. That's stupid on Edwards part. He is not some famous player and when did ANY football player ever make it big as an actor ? I can think of a few who tried hollywood and were just gimicks. Football players should know their money is earned on the playing field. So Braylon needs to stfu about that.
Quote: That's our starting three and I don't expect it to change. I'd rather only see Steptoe, Sanders, etc., etc in 4 - 5 WR sets.
We need to upgrade from Steptoe & Sanders if were ever gonna compete in this leauge.
Stallworth, Need to go
BE I think with the coaching changes, he might be gone next year Via FA so if we can get something legit this year go for it, if not thatn we hold onto him until the trade deadline and get as much as we can for next years draft, Kinda like Detroit did with Roy williams this year,.
Coach him up and grow him up. His #1 receiver status is arguable, since his output is closer to a 3. He is allowed to grow up, stop whining in his panties, and commit to a program he helped cripple this season. Or go. Everybody deserves a fresh start. And if ANYBODY"S mouth is an issue, trade them. Despite EPA's attitudes and regulations, there are no safe poison levels in the lockerroom watering hole.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Joe's done.A WR at his age doesn't come back from the knee problems that he's had. We can't go into next season reliing on him.Righth now,our WR group is a horrible mess,and needs repaired badly.
You don't trade Edwards UNLESS you get a premier WR coming back.. What Edwards needs is be coached intensely which I THOUGHT was going to happen with Wes Chandler ..
I want us to address defense. I would be interested in what our average ppg was when we were relatively healthy? I suspect that it is enough that if we can become dependable on the other side of the ball there will be a lot more Ws that Ls.
I could live without him, especially if we get some good stuff for him. He is killing himself with his mouth; stop listening and shut the brat up. Cut off the interviews. He is up this year, and if we get some help from other than Stallworth, we need to be rid of Steptoe as starter as well to compete. JJ is my man, and I love his edge. But don't count on a season out of him IF he gets back. Brayin' Edwards looks dumb-silly at times, especially when you are year-old bread. Pro Bowl, huh? WHat have you done lately star? How did this one stack up when people counted on you? Angry? You bet! Surprised? Only by how BAD it got. No ego beyond this point. He needs a piledriver coach to insist he cut the crap and produce or leave. Fed up with being fed up with this type of player.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Salary cap ramifications and low value.... the two reasons why Edwards is staying here, and why we need to work with him so he DOES pan out. He had a bad year, but near the end he was righting the ship and sorting out his drop demons. The guy is a talent that doesn't come along every year and isn't available too often. With a new coaching perspective and better support around him, he'll be fine.
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
Honestly... We don't need Braylon Edwards.... Look at the Titans. We just need guys who have nice size (6'2 and up) with pretty good speed. We would be str8.
Now I do want to keep him, but if push come to shove, Braylon wants to be traded...
I really don't think the trade value is worthy of consideration.
There...that's better. This is what happens when I attempt to post when also cooking dinner. I probably speak in similar fashion after spending to much time tailgating.
I say we keep BE....sure he had a sub-par year this year, but the year before was no fluke by any means. Take a look at the national spot light games this year, he still put up big numbers. With everything that has gone on with the Browns, and the QB contro we had....he still had ok numbers....not a #1 receivers numbers, but still ok.....K2 had a subpar year too, should we trade him also.....??? Heck, for that matter, Wright gave up some big plays, Jamal got stopped for minus yards a couple of times, D Jackson missed a few tackles.....lets trade them all and cut the rest........everyone is entitled to a bad season. I say let the new regime come in, see what happens.....we got a good draft pick, which I think that should be spent on Malcolm Jenkins...and see if we can't make at least one big signing in the FA market........Cleveland has WAYYY to much talent not to be an immediate contender. They just need the right leader...
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thats what i have been saying over and over again on this thread.....the problem is that people cant look past colleges and a few drops. Braylon was a stand out for the states biggest rival....they need to get over that he wears an orange helmet now. yeah he has had some problems with drops, and some comments that he has made...id like to see some of these people in here catch every single ball that is thrown at them with that kind of speed velocity, pressure, and zip. add to it that braylon wants to make plays and i think the problem is he is trying to do too much on every single play. he just needs to relax and let the game come to him. if he had a legit number 2 the pressure wouldnt be all on his shoulders, some have said that dropping braylon and getting TJ Housmanzadeh would be the answer....id love to get him as our number 2...he is 31 and cant be counted on for only a couple more seasons so you dont trade your young standout wr away....u just get him some help on the other side. just think with Braylon and TJ at WR, JJ in the slot, and K2 at te what would the defense do to cover soo much talent? I know the answer they wouldnt be able to.....thus taking pressure off of jamal in the backfield, and also off of the o-line as the D would have no freaking clue to what was about to hit them
so how do we handle braylon? offer an extension, show him that he is wanted here, and get him a legit number 2.....then you will see probowl numbers again....for years to come! oh yeah stop complaining about him being from michigan...and realize that he is one of us now....a BROWN!
Yes....very well put.....I know that was the intentsions of signing Donte Stallworth...now he is the one that I would consider getting rid of. He has speed, and is very dangerous with the ball in his hands, however, you have to be on the field in order for that to take place. He is just to injury prone to make a difference, let alone make 5 million a year. I also agree with TJ being nothing more than a #2 WR at his age. With everyone healthy and on the field at the same time, I just don't know if their would be enough balls to keep everyone happy....With Braylon, TJ, K2 and JJ.....that would have to be a pass happy offense. I say in order for the Browns to at least win the division, which is where it all starts, we need a strong running game and a very stout D. Seing how we have a BEAST in Shaun Rogers now and D Jackson & K Wimbley as good LB's, we should address the secondary 1st. Doing that would make it easier for the D coordinator to dial up blitz's to get pressure on the QB's and stuff the running game. We got Wright, and Holley coming back from injury....Sean and Brodney are better than average safties but are a little injury prone also. With the number 5 pick......would you go get Malcom Jenkins....?????
Also, how do you get the pictures to attach at the bottom of your posts...????
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Quote: Seing how we have a BEAST in Shaun Rogers now and D Jackson & K Wimbley as good LB's, we should address the secondary 1st.
I disagree. I think the single biggest thing that would improve our secondary is a decent edge pass rusher and some blitz packages that work. When we actually managed to get pressure, our secondary looked pretty good this year. So unless Malcom Jenkins can cover a #1 WR in the NFL for 7 or 8 seconds, I'm going for the pass rush guy.
with a great passing game opens up the run and vice versa. in order to open up the holes for the run you have to have good recivers so they dont load up the box. as well if you have a great run game it opens up the passing game as the d starts to cheat in to stop the run......one hand washes the other and i think our wr core or lack there of hurt us alot this season.
Quote: and i think our wr core or lack there of hurt us alot this season.
I agree with that.. with JJ out and Stallworthless only playing half the year, we needed BE to step up and be a big time threat to have any chance and he obviously didn't....
I agree with that...a little...but when we get pressure on the QB, it causes the QB to make bad decisions, thus making the secondary look a little better than they really are. Now if we could somehow get a great pass rusher in FA, then that would be GREAT..!!!! But there isn't anything in the draft that just makes me foam at the mouth...so to speak....besides, even if there was, it would take a couple of years for him to really make an impact, especially if we keep the 3-4 defense. Now I don't think Malcolm Jenkins can cover a WR for 7-8 seconds, but neither can Champ Baily....but history has proved itself that Ohio State produces really good top DB prospects ....(Ex. Nate Clements, Antoine Winfield)...but anything would help, that is for sure.....
"Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-
Quote: braylon wasnt the only one dropping balls.....
No, but he was the only first round draft pick, pro-bowl caliber, making millions of dollars WR who was dropping balls.
Quote: he didnt have a legit number 2 to take some of the pressure off of him
First, I already stated that but secondly....I understand that has a lot to do with double coverages and getting open and stuff, but what does that have to do with not catching the ball when it hits you in the hands.. even if it's just once or twice a game?
Just heard on Sporting News radio that Romeo would be willing to stick around and take a pay cut if they got Paoli....not sure if that would be a good idea........
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Chalk it up as a bad year.....there are a number of players in the league that just have a bad year....he still finished with almost 900 yards so that isn't so bad.....
"Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-
he was trying to do too much....he knows that people expect alot out of him and when he is the only legit wr on the field he let the pressure get to him. he is an emotional player always has been.....a good wr coach, and a legit number 2 would help him tons.....and i think alot of his problems have been mental (trying to do too much)
Quote: Chalk it up as a bad year.....there are a number of players in the league that just have a bad year....he still finished with almost 900 yards so that isn't so bad.....
Oh I'm not ready to quit on him, I still think he can be very good...
Quote: a good wr coach, and a legit number 2 would help him tons.....
and I would add a good sports psychologist to that list.
Whatever he needs to do to achieve it, he needs to accept the role as leader, superstar, call it what you want. Those guys make plays when plays need to be made, they pull their team out of a funk by making a play.... when we were in a funk, he would just compound it.... and sometimes he would help put us in a funk by dropping a key pass that could have extended a drive. I agree that 95% of his problem is in his head, he needs to get it worked out.
Yeah, I'm not either.....I mean as is, this offense is very potent...so if they would just concentrate on the D a little this off season, and maybe a RB in the draft. Try to get somebody to take some of the load off of Jamal. He is still a very effective RB, but a speedster would be nice that maybe you could get late in the draft. Someone like Ringer from Michigan state looks like a good fit, plus you probably could get him later like the 2nd or 3rd......And still keep your 1st and maybe 2nd and use them for Jenkins, or the LB form USC...I forget his name..... ......and still have your 2nd pick......I just hope they get back to winning...........
"Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-
and sometimes he would help put us in a funk by dropping a key pass that could have extended a drive. I agree that 95% of his problem is in his head, he needs to get it worked out.
Yeah, he had a few drops that would just make you say......C'MON MANNNNN....!!!!!
"Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-
Quote: traade DA and BE for Anquon Bolden and sign T.J. Houshmenzadeh! That takes care of any WR problems.
That's fine...What does Zona do with Lienert???
And guess what...Housh's gonna be a highly sought FA...
Guess what 2...Savage ain't here anymore...Are the new guys gonna want to spend big bucks in FA???...This remains to be seen come February 27th...I'm guessing...NO WAY...They won't clean house...No need to...But no FA Gold anymore either...Savage had the nads to do it...Lerner said GO 4 IT...New guys may say it's NOT the way 2 go...There's enuff here already...
Quote: a good wr coach, and a legit number 2 would help him tons.....
and I would add a good sports psychologist to that list.
Whatever he needs to do to achieve it, he needs to accept the role as leader, superstar, call it what you want. Those guys make plays when plays need to be made, they pull their team out of a funk by making a play.... when we were in a funk, he would just compound it.... and sometimes he would help put us in a funk by dropping a key pass that could have extended a drive. I agree that 95% of his problem is in his head, he needs to get it worked out.
the thing is i think edwards accepted that role too much. when did he perform his best? on any of the monday night games. he knew everyone was watching and, "coincidentally," all of his 100-yard games were on those nights. we need someone to get consistency out of him on the 1pm and 4pm games. i think we severely undervalued jurevicious in this veteran role.
id like to get DA to re-do his contract and stay here as our number 2....now i know this is very unlikley to happen.....so i suppose trading him would be the best bet....but in no way shape or form do you get rid of edwards. they need to get him to sign and extension loaded with incintives such as x amount of catches for x amount of cash. I really want everyone to know he isnt purposly dropping balls...and some of those throws was behind him or ahead of him.....he cant catch every dang ball thrown his way.
next yeah he will bounce back and we will all be on this same message board saying how we need to resign him just watch
Quote: id like to get DA to re-do his contract and stay here as our number 2....now i know this is very unlikley to happen.....so i suppose trading him would be the best bet....
Yeah, in a perfect world, that would be great. But, with all of the drama that is causes, I agree with you......very unlikely. But even trying to trade him...what could he possibly be worth now...???? A late draft pick at best....like a 3rd or 4th...if that..????
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