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Pioli and his wife Dallas have a daughter named Mia Costa. Dallas is the daughter of former Patriots coach Bill Parcells, making Pioli a son-in-law to Parcells.
Now that's interesting. Parcells and Pioli (I thought we were talking about Shapiro and Pioli).
I'm not sure how/if those two would function together - but its an interesting thought anyway.
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Ok, from Shapiro's Wiki page. "Shapiro is the brother-in-law of New York Jets coach Eric Mangini and a very close friend of New England Patriots general manager Scott Pioli. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shapiro
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RAC's phone will be ringing about 3 minutes after he giets terminated, if he does. RAC is a quality DC and quality coach.
Savage was let go for many reasons, but the swiftness (and this is only my opinion and not something I've heard) is because of how he's reacted to the season. RAC took alot of hits for the team this year. Savage pretty much tried to distance himself from criticism and lay the blame on the coaches. IMO, that led to the swift move along with all the other things that happened this season.
Coachb...the fans and media are going to be doing a lot of finger pointing, deserved or not.
You claim that Crennel is a quality DC is not necessarily backed up with facts since Crennel has been in Cleveland.
We tried to blame Grantham last year and look what that got us?
If there is one thing I do hold against Crennel, its the fact that he did not develop a playoff worthy defense in his time here. I know Crennel was the HC and not the DC, but hey, if the HC says this is the way he wants his defense run, the DC is going to run it the way Crennel wanted.
Crennel had an opportunity to show his expertise as a DC and the fact remains, the Browns did not develop a playoff caliber defense, which was supposed to be Romeo's strong suit.
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Mac, RAC's resume as a DC speaks for itself. The problem is that he didn't have the talent to execute his schemes and had to adjust accordingly. I could sit and show you play after play where the players were in position and didn't execute.
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Then tell me exactly what he failed at.
There is some degree of speculation here - his other responsibilities are not nearly as public as the personnel decisions are. All I'm saying is that he isn't being fired because of his personnel decisions, IMO. He's being fired for failures in other areas.
There are an awful lot of reports of him not being well liked w/in the organization and having more of an ego than is tolerable for most people. He's also been throwing RAC under the bus for about a month now, which leads one to believe that his leadership skills may be lacking a bit. 
He made the decision to give RAC an extension while taking more control himself in the process (apparently not liking some of RACs decisions) - that was a risk and it came back to bite him. Comes with the territory.
Talent is great - but leadership is more important, IMO. I'm ready for leadership and will assume that person will know enough to put talent pretty high up his list
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We heard rumors/thoughts/opinions/innuendo earlier today from Chris Mortensen that Savage had a chance to stay as GM if Lerner was unable to
lure Cowher or Pioli. If this is true, this may be an indication that Cowher or Pioli might have already agreed to a deal in principal.
Just trying to piece two and two together.....We'll see
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This move upsets me. I understand why we did it but I think we've made a mistake. We will regret this.
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Nothing solid, but hearing the other shoe may have dropped.
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Mac, RAC's resume as a DC speaks for itself. The problem is that he didn't have the talent to execute his schemes and had to adjust accordingly. I could sit and show you play after play where the players were in position and didn't execute.
Savage admitted he "wasn't drafting for a 3-4 defense, but for versatility".
Opinions vary on RAC and not many think he's head coach material at this point, but RAC never had a chance here. Not with Savage running things.
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Romeo is gone? 
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We heard rumors/thoughts/opinions/innuendo earlier today from Chris Mortensen that Savage had a chance to stay as GM if Lerner was unable to
lure Cowher or Pioli. If this is true, this may be an indication that Cowher or Pioli might have already agreed to a deal in principal.
Just trying to piece two and two together.....We'll see
The Rooney rule doesn't allow that.
Now if the first person they interview is Mel Tucker, then there may be something to it.
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Nothing solid, but hearing the other shoe may have dropped.
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Good news.
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more notes from www.profootballtalk.comSAVAGE FIRED Posted by Mike Florio on December 28, 2008, 6:31 p.m. EST We heard a couple of hours ago that G.M. Phil Savage is out in Cleveland. We’re now told that Savage was fired. It’s likely only a matter of time until coach Romeo Crennel joins him — unless owner Randy Lerner quickly hires Pats V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli, and if Pioli then decides to find a way to keep Crennel on the staff. If the Dolphins defeat the Jets and barring a collapse of epic proportions by the Ravens against the Jaguars, the Patriots will be shut out of the playoffs, which would put Pioli immediately in play to be interviewed and hired for a job that gives him final say over personnel.
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Its unfortunate - but his responsibilities extended well beyond talent evaluation in the GM role and apparently he did not adequately perform his other functions.
I'm not sure what other important roles those are. He's made a killer trade in obtaining Shaun Rodgers for more or less nothing. For the first time since our return, he signed top quality Free agents for this team. In the last 3 years, we've signed a top 5 free agent almost every year.
If Baxter and Bentley hadn't gotten hurt (which nobody could have predicted because neither had any injury history), we would have had one of the best FA groups each of the last three years.
Sure, there are some misses, notably Stallworth, Travis Wilson, and Kamerion Wimbley, but every GM in the league has misses.
It's one thing if Learner knows that we're getting Scott Pioli, or some equivalently talented GM. In that case, I'll be fine with Learner throwing away millions to get the best.
Otherwise, we're throwing away a known talent for a completely unknown newcomer, and setting this team backwards in the process.
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Getting good FA's is more a function of Lerner shelling out HUGE money than it is of anything Savage did... seriously any GM in the league could bring in FAs by offering them the biggest contracts.
The Rodgers trade was great... but then again, the going rate for talented DT's with questionable reputations was a 3 and a 5 (Kris Jenkins, Marcus Stroud).
His drafts have been bad and he embarrasses the organization routinely. I'll ignore the Winslow thing and the e-mail thing because in isolation, they'd be non-issues to me. But then add in all the times he has to trash the previous "regime" and throw Romeo under the bus. It's so blatantly obvious. He reminds me of a little kid who didn't get what he wanted on Christmas.
Count me as one that could not be any happier that he's gone.
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Pioli's team made the playoffs...
He's off limits is he not until they're ousted?
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No actually, if the Dolphins and Rats hold on then the Pats are out of the playoffs. Pioli could be hired tomorrow if that's the case.
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With coaches yes. I'm not sure what the rule is with front office personnel.
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You and I both know the Rooney rule and the purpose and reasoning behind it...IMO it's a great rule (and should be adopted by the NCAA), but you know there is much talk and wheeling and dealing behind the scenes. Intermediaries talking w/ intermediaries.
On another note, I know everyone wants Cowher, Schottenheimer and whoever else, but one name that needs to mentioned in Ron Rivera. He's done a great job with the Chargers since he took over DC duties midway through the season
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You and I both know the Rooney rule and the purpose and reasoning behind it...IMO it's a great rule (and should be adopted by the NCAA), but you know there is much talk and wheeling and dealing behind the scenes. Intermediaries talking w/ intermediaries.
I'm not saying they aren't talking.
I'm saying that nothing can be official until they interview a black candidate. But I think we both know that, so no worries man.
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Pats have been eliminated from contention, Pioli is officially fair game.
And the rooney rule applies only to the head coaching position.
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Pats have been eliminated from contention, Pioli is officially fair game.
And the rooney rule applies only to the head coaching position.
This was about Cowher...I think... 
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I'm saying that nothing can be official until they interview a black candidate.
Black or minority?
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I'm saying that nothing can be official until they interview a black candidate.
Black or minority?
My bad, minority.
Ron Rivera would be a good interview. It would be a possible coaching candidate and he is a minority...I think.
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I thought that Savage would stay on. It seems there was more of a clash between he and Lerner than I thought.
I wish him all the best. I think he really put his all into this team, just like RAC.
But, I want a winner more than anything.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Yes, Rivera is a minority and a minority just needs to be interviewed.
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I thought that Savage would stay on. It seems there was more of a clash between he and Lerner than I thought.
I wish him all the best. I think he really put his all into this team, just like RAC.
But, I want a winner more than anything.
Savage seemed to be taking this season very personal. Like he got cocky last season and thought he became some mastermind of it all.
He did plenty to get fired. He didn't provide Romeo with the right players for his 3-4 and it seemed to me that the past few weeks, he really put all the blame on Romeo.
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Well, and if it's true that RAC wanted a certain player, but Savage decided to pick someone else, there's a disconnect that just won't fly.
I worried about Savage's ego for a while now, just one of those things that kind of haunted me. Him being unable to change his mind, or requiring things to be done HIS way confirms that.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Well, there it is.
Savage gets fired for the following reasons:
Poor overall record
Poor Communications
Poor Judgement on the Winslow thing
Poor Judgement on the OC
Poor Judgement in his email with a mad fan
Yup, I'd say that about wraps it up.
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Anyone who watched today's game knows why Savage is gone and Crennel is soon to follow him out the door. The players brought in by PS and coached by RAC had no heart, no gameplan, and no clue. The team needs a new direction. If that isn't obvious after the last two weeks, then we're not watching the same team.
It's always a pain in the rear to start a rebuild, but if not now, then when? Once Romeo is canned, my excitement level for the future of the Cleveland Browns will be renewed and reinvigorated. There is no way to go but up from here. Thanks Phil and RAC for your efforts. Unfortunately, you didn't do a very good job. Go Browns!!
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If Savage is already gone, and RAC hasn't been booted as of yet, my guess is they're are going after 2 guys: Cowher and Pioli. Cowher IMO isn't coming, so Pioli will probably be our target.
Which is why Romeo is still here..... I can see Pioli retaining him on the D side if he's willing to stay. I actually like the idea.
But the HC is the question..... if it's Pioli, than I wonder if he'll bring his guy with him. (McDaniels). If not, and I'd rather get a proven player than a newer coordinator, I'm not sure where we look.
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I thought that Savage would stay on. It seems there was more of a clash between he and Lerner than I thought.
I wish him all the best. I think he really put his all into this team, just like RAC.
But, I want a winner more than anything.
brownfan79...your last line ("But, I want a winner more than anything.") is Randy Lerner's bottom line.
Randy has made other acquaintances in the league since he hired Crennel and Savage. I've read that Lerner is friends with the NFL's ex-commish, Paul Tagliabue being just one of them. It would be logical to assume Randy has spoken to some of those close friends about the upcoming changes.
It's being said that Lerner wants to meet face to face with Bill Cowher. Eliminating Savage quickly shows Cowher just how serious Randy Lerner is about giving Cowher full control, IMO.
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I worried about Savage's ego for a while now,
Since the Collins powerplay when Phil forced Lerners hand...and now Lerner pays back by dumping Phil first.
Ironic!
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3795786By Chris Mortensen ESPN.com (Archive) Updated: December 28, 2008, 8:01 PM ET Report: Browns To Ask Crennel, Savage To Step DownCleveland Browns senior vice president and general manager Phil Savage was fired on Sunday and team sources said that coach Romeo Crennel will also lose his job. After the Browns lost their final six games of the year, the team confirmed Savage's ouster. An official announcement on the GM and the coach is expected as early as Monday and no later than Tuesday. Browns owner Randy Lerner told Savage by phone before the team left Pittsburgh after losing a 31-0 season finale to the Steelers. The Browns finished the season with a 4-12 record, dropping to a last-place finish in the AFC North behind the Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1). Lerner is expected to make a run at former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, but there has been no indication that Cowher would embrace a job in Cleveland. The Browns must adhere to the Rooney Rule and also interview minority candidates for the head coaching vacancy. If Cowher rebuffs Lerner, sources say the owner wants to go through a thorough process and is expected to interview a handful of candidates for the GM and head coaching positions. League sources have speculated that Patriots vice president of personnel Scott Pioli is a potential successor to Savage. Lerner does not have a prior relationship with Pioli. If Pioli is hired, head coaching candidates are expected to be Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz. Lerner was unavailable for immediate comment Sunday and a Browns spokesman also had no comment. Savage also could not be reached for comment. It was believed that Savage's future was somewhat secure, but in the past week, sources say he was notified by Lerner that he may not be involved in the franchise's process to address the future. The Browns had high expectations after a 10-6 season in 2007 that resulted in lucrative contract extensions for both Savage and Crennel. Savage received a new four-year deal worth $2.7 million annually and Crennel got a two-year extension through 2011. Crennel has between $9-and-$10 million remaining on his contract, a source said. Savage has had well-acclaimed drafts since he became the GM in 2004. In April 2007, he drafted Wisconsin tackle Joe Thomas with the third overall pick and traded back into the first round to choose Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn. The Browns have had 10-12 players who were either selected to the Pro Bowl or who were Pro Bowl alternates during the past two years. However, injuries and uneven play on offense and defense contributed to a dismal start that headed downhill after Quinn's season ended with a broken finger on his throwing hand on Nov. 17 in a Monday night 29-27 victory over the Buffalo Bills. That was the last game the Cleveland offense produced a touchdown during the six-game losing streak to end the season. Shortly after the Buffalo game, Savage had a nasty e-mail exchange with a disgruntled Browns fan that became public. Earlier, he was embroiled in a dispute with tight end Kellen Winslow, who claimed he was discouraged from disclosing that he had been sidelined by a staph infection, an ongoing dilemma for the team in recent years.
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We heard rumors/thoughts/opinions/innuendo earlier today from Chris Mortensen that Savage had a chance to stay as GM if Lerner was unable to
lure Cowher or Pioli. If this is true, this may be an indication that Cowher or Pioli might have already agreed to a deal in principal.
Just trying to piece two and two together.....We'll see
poundawg...If Cowher has committed to coach the Browns, pending completion of the NFL's interview process, it would make perfect sense for Lerner to move quickly concerning Savage.
Then again, it may have been Savage who said he was going leave if he was not going to be involved in the hiring process, which would be understandable. Or maybe Savage realized his GM powers were going to be diminished beyond a point he could accept since he would not be included in the hiring process.
It looks like Lerner may have given Savage a choice of a reduced role within the organization or moving on...pending the outcome of the Cowher and Pioli interviews.
It would be hard to blame Savage if he said thanks, but no thanks.
Whatever...like you said, we will see...
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mac that is what I have heard also. Savage was going to have some of his powers stripped and he said no so both sides came to an agreement and parted ways.
Also hearing Romeo has been given his walking papers tonight aswell.
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Best possible scenario if so I suppose.
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