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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2008/12/cowher_tells_browns_hes_not_in.htmlUpdated 11:26 a.m. BEREA - Browns owner Randy Lerner said today that former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher told him he was not interested in joining the Browns. Lerner met with the media this morning to announce that Romeo Crennel has been fired as head coach. Lerner said he's receiving permission to talk to another unnamed NFL exec. He appeared interested when informed that Eric Mangini had been fired by the New York Jets this morning. Mangini, a former Browns employee, worked with Pioli in New England. Lerner admitted he's interested in Mangini, who began his career here under Bill Belichick. Lerner also said there's a chance Crennel could remain with the Browns as an assistant coach. Speculation for his replacement had been centered on Cowher for several weeks, but Lerner said Monday that he met with Cowher on Saturday night and that Cowher said he would not return to coaching in 2009 and asked Lerner to take him off the Browns list of candidates. Cowher told Lerner that he was comfortable with his lifestyle in North Carolina at this time. Lerner said he's received permission to talk to New England Patriots Executive Vice President Scott Pioli and that he'll focus on the general manager role next. Lerner said he met with Cowher in New York. "I got word that he was available for an informal conversation because he was very aware I had him at the top of the list, getting involved with the Browns," Lerner said. "He wanted to tell me personally that he did not anticipate coaching in 2009. I wouldn't say Bill Cowher was the first choice, but I would say Cowher was the clear, no-questions-asked, guy you wanted to ask where he stood." Lerner said the two never even discussed any financial aspects. Crennel, 61, was fired after going 24-40 in his four seasons at Browns head coach. He had three years left on his contract, which had been extended in January after he guided the Browns to a 10-6 record and just missed the playoffs. But things fell apart this season, starting with injuries to several key players, including quarterback Derek Anderson and wide receiver Braylon Edwards, both Pro Bowl performers the previous season. Midway through the season Crennel benched Anderson in favor of Brady Quinn, but the struggles continued, especially after Quinn suffered a broken finger that ended his season. Anderson returned and promptly suffered a season-ending knee injury. With Ken Dorsey and free agent Bruce Gradkowski at quarterback, the Browns failed to scored an offensive touchdown over the final six games, establishing an NFL record, and finished with 4-12, marking the fifth time in the past six years that they had at least 10 losses. Throughout the season Browns players voiced their support of Crennel. Crennel came to the Browns after several seasons as defensive coordinator for the New England Patriots under Bill Belichick. He has been part of five Super Bowl championships with the Patriots and New York Giants. ------------
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Uhhhh, this sounds like a poor choice. Why would he possibly hire Mangini? He only has 3 years experience as a HC and has a LOSING record. 23-25 for the regular season and 0-1 for the post season. BOO!
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Hmmm, I guess there's not going to be a 12PM press conference today. 
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That would make it a lot ike 2008...
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BEREA - Browns owner Randy Lerner said today that former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher told him he was not interested in joining the Browns.
Lerner met with the media this morning to announce that Romeo Crennel has been fired as head coach.
Lerner said he's receiving permission to talk to another unnamed NFL exec. He appeared interested when informed that Eric Mangini had been fired by the New York Jets this morning. Mangini, a former Browns employee, worked with Pioli in New England. Lerner admitted he's interested in Mangini, who began his career here under Bill Belichick. Lerner also said there's a chance Crennel could remain with the Browns as an assistant coach.
I will say, I like the way Randy Lerner is going about his search for a coach and GM. He was moving on after talking with Cowher realizing you can't wait around because there are a lot of other teams looking for GMs and HCs.
After Saturday's meet with Cowher we can scratch him and move on to the Patriots.
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Guess not...I thought there was going to be one too.
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i thought i read that there was going to be one today as well?
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Not for nothing, but I just happened to look at the Browns main site and they already have taken RAC's and Savages names off the coaching and front office directory.... So much for taking thier time after the season
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where can you go to see who is all ready avalible and who will be for gm and hc?
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Uhhhh, this sounds like a poor choice. Why would he possibly hire Mangini? He only has 3 years experience as a HC and has a LOSING record. 23-25 for the regular season and 0-1 for the post season. BOO!
Belichick was 20-28 after his first 3 seasons as head coach.
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Tubby, you just gotta hunt around. I don't know of a site that lists everyone..
Some that I'm aware of for GM:
Floyd Reese
Scott Pioli (sp)
Marty Schottenheimer (he mentioned that he might like a spot like that)
Ernie Arcorsi has been bantered about, but he's retired,,
Ron Wolf is another one.
For coach:
Schottenheimer again
Mangini
Josh McDaniels
Russ Grimm (nobody mentioned it, I've just been thinking about it)
Rex Ryan
Now that Mangini is out in NY, could that free up Schottenheimers son Brian?
The list goes on and on. For me, I want someone that has already proven successful as a GM and HC. I'm kinda tired of experimenting...
In the end however, we may be forced to take on a guy that has no HC experience. it might happen.
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Cowher said he would not return to coaching in 2009 and asked Lerner to take him off the Browns list of candidates.
Finally, an end to the nonsense.
RAC, Phil, it didn't work out, but at least you got us back on the road to respectability as an organization with at least some talent to rebuild with. We'll see how it goes from here.
The last thing I wanted was square one, but after this season of shame, it's the only place we can legitimately begin. I've never hated being a Browns fan more, and that really sucks. Optimism about a new regime and new coaching staff? Yeah, right. Talk to me after we've won a couple playoff games. I'm so sick of this BS.
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Let's not forget that the NFL is a copy-cat league as I have so often heard this year from many different talking heads. After listening to Kosar explain to WTAM that Lerner is going to leave no stone unturned, I expect that we will have a no-name head coach come in, a la Miami, Baltimore, and Atlanta.
Let's just hope we see the same results!
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"I will say, I like the way Randy Lerner is going about his search for a coach and GM."
As opposed to what,quitting?
I was hoping Little Randy had someone in place before the firing of Savage,I was wrong.
Qualified GM's aren't just floating around out there the way HC candidates are.
We'll end up with another 1st timer,and hope he'll grow into his role.If he doesn't,we'll be doing this again in 3 or 4 years,and then again after that,so on and so on.
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Worthwhile candidates aren't going to play it that way. There would also, deservedly, be little or no trust between the candidate and the owner if he did go behind his current GM's back.
It is best to play it above board.
Lerne obviously decided that it was time to move on from Savage. It makes no difference who is available ..... that fact wasn't going to change.
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Browns announce changes
12.29.2008
The Browns have just announced that a change has been made at the general manager and head coaching positions.
Stay tuned to ClevelandBrowns.com throughout the day for more.
STATEMENT FROM PHIL SAVAGE
"I would like to thank Randy Lerner for giving me the opportunity to work for the Cleveland Browns over these past four seasons," said Savage. "Things did not go as well as we had expected, particularly in 2008, however, I do anticipate this team bouncing back and having success in the future."
STATEMENT FROM ROMEO CRENNEL
"I would like to thank Randy Lerner for giving me the opportunity to coach the Cleveland Browns. Some progress was made in my four years here, but not enough to go forward in this position."
"The support from the community and the fans has been greatly appreciated. Though this past year has been tough, my experience in Cleveland has been a good one. I did not win enough games so I must move on. Thank you for the opportunity."
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Good Luck Romeo...
I for one will miss you being here in Cleveland.
i echo that.
Now-help us win in whatever capacity you can, cause i know you are a stand up guy. Lerner is keeping you for the same reason-just because you didnt lead us to the promised land on the sideline, doesnt mean you cant from the office!
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Lerner has ‘strong commitment’ to making Browns a winner
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Browns Owner Randy Lerner said late Monday morning that relieving General Manager Phil Savage and Head Coach Romeo Crennel of their duties are part of the organization’s “very strong commitment to get it right” and strengthening the Browns for the purpose of turning the team into a consistent winner.
Lerner said he feels the Browns are an attractive destination for prospective candidates and that he plans to begin the search for replacements as soon as later today.
“I think we need to be as nimble and move as quickly as we possibly can,” he said.
Though there’s no set plan, Lerner said prefers to hire a front office, “non-coaching executive” first. He’s already requested permission to speak to Scott Pioli of the Patriots and one other person he declined to name until he receives confirmation that permission has been granted.
On Saturday night, Lerner had a “very informal” meeting with Bill Cowher and Cowher made it “very clear…that he did not anticipate coaching in 2009” and asked not to be included on the Browns’ list of candidates.
“(Cowher) wasn’t coy; he spoke very clearly,” Lerner said. “He was very well prepared to describe his situation and his position. It wasn’t a dance.”
Lerner said he’s not ruling anything out, including further pursuit of Cowher or hiring a coach before hiring the front-office person.
“I don’t want to be boxed into a formula or a set approach,” he said.
Lerner said Crennel “was a gentleman through and through” during their Monday morning meeting and said that Crennel would consider a return to the Browns as an assistant coach under the right circumstances.
He said the decision to release Savage came about during conversations the two had over the last couple of weeks.
“We talked about change and about strengthening the organization,” Lerner said. “It became very clear that our management styles were not going to be adequately compatible going forward.”
Lerner said the Browns’ assistant coaches remain under contract and could return under the new head coach when he is hired.
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same. it just kills to see such a great person fall short. i do wonder if he'll stay on board if we bring someone like pioli in. i'd still love to see a creative 3-4 defense with the personnel that he needs/wanted. one thing that was promising for the defense was that we are one of the top defenses (if not THE top defense) in takeaways
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Though there’s no set plan, Lerner said prefers to hire a front office, “non-coaching executive” first. He’s already requested permission to speak to Scott Pioli of the Patriots and one other person he declined to name until he receives confirmation that permission has been granted.
Pioli and Reese would be the guys I would go after..
Lerner said the Browns’ assistant coaches remain under contract and could return under the new head coach when he is hired.
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I honestly don't see how this could work. If he came back in 5+ years maybe but if the new coach is a hardass then his former players will run to RAC and divide the locker room.
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Who? There aren't many I'd consider keeping. Don't just remove the toe, amputate the whole leg. This team needs an entire front office makeover.
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As for the assistants, Lerner is just keeping things open. I doubt he's expecting many to stay on as new coaches generally bring in their own guys. However, it would do him no good to say "all the assistants are gone, too."
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As for the assistants, Lerner is just keeping things open. I doubt he's expecting many to stay on as new coaches generally bring in their own guys. However, it would do him no good to say "all the assistants are gone, too."
Even though the season in over there are still things that need done and bye keeping the assistants on they can fill in & help out with things until the next new greatest coaching staff comes on board.
Cant get excited here, to old here, been thru this hope & happiness thing to many times, Show me the playoffs & a trophy and I'll be in your corner, but untill than the jury is still out.
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Just a general comment .....
Romeo's exactly the kind f guy I would want working for me ....... just not as "the" boss. I think the can be very good at the details ...... but not so good at big picture thinking and planning.
A Coordinator handles details .... breaks down film .... studies opponents ..... and comes up with particular packages to try to defeat his opponent's unit. The head coach has to be above all of that .... trust in his people ..... add his imput where necessary ..... make the really big calls ..... and handle the overall team. (including its personality and personalities) It's a delicate balance ..... and a difficult role for many to take on. It's hard, after "being in the action" all the time to step back and handle the overall team. This is why there are so many successful coordinators who go on to be less than successful head coaches. On the surface it appears to be a similar job description ... but in reality, it's a world of difference.
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Now-help us win in whatever capacity you can, cause i know you are a stand up guy. Lerner is keeping you for the same reason-just because you didnt lead us to the promised land on the sideline, doesnt mean you cant from the office!
I know there was mention of RAC staying with the organization in some capacity.... the question is, has that been formalized and I just missed it.
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Lerner said that there's a possibility of it. Other than that, nothing has been formalized.
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yea, i think it's supposed to depend on who we bring in.
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I know there was mention of RAC staying with the organization in some capacity.... the question is, has that been formalized and I just missed it.
My take on the situation is Lerner has left the door open for RAC to return in some capacity if the situation works out for both him & the new coach. I dont think RAC will take that offer but it's a nice gesture by Randy in a way telling RAC, I appricate the way you handled all this crap and this isnt all your fault but something has to be done, I have to let you go, but wouldnt mind if you kept the idea open to doing somerthing else within the organization.
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J/C. My guess is that if Pioli is offered the job, since he has ties to Crennel then there exists the possibility of RAC staying on board in some diminished role. Just a guess.
And the next head coach is ......
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Guys who want a "proven head coach" here's the thing: with Cowher saying no (and IMO, thank goodness), who else is out there who has had a winning record? Shotty Billick Those are the two I can think of. Mike Holmgren if he wants to come back to coaching. That plus the success of "no name" first year head coaches and I'm thinking it's 90% likely we'll get a guy who has either never been a head coach or never had success (i.e. Mangini-ugh). Personally, I don't care because every head coach who wins has to start somewhere. As long as they don't start here and win elsewhere!! 
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Guys who want a "proven head coach" here's the thing: with Cowher saying no (and IMO, thank goodness), who else is out there who has had a winning record?
I'd prefer a proven Head coach, But Randy has fail to ask me about things in the past, I'm not holding my breath about this opening.... 
All I know is Randy has to get it right, proven or first time coach and your right, everybody starts somewhere, ...hey isnt Ditka avalible,
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Mangini turned the Jets around quickly. Had it not been for 9 int's in Favre's last five games, he would most likely be a playoff bound HC right now.
He's young, bright, innovative and has the youth needed to be here for the long haul.
I'd take that in a heartbeat.
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Yes, but I wouldn't want to give up all of our first day picks just to pry Rickey Williams from the Phins!
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Here's some more speculation. I think there's no way Lerner makes any coaching decisions w/out the new GM on board. http://www.kffl.com/team/13/nflBrowns | Team likely to contact Mangini Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:01:37 -0800 Tom Withers, of The Associated Press, reports Cleveland Browns owner Randy Lerner said he likely will contact former New York Jets head coach Eric Mangini about the team's vacant head coaching position. Browns | McDaniels a candidate for head coach Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:01:10 -0800 Tom Withers, of The Associated Press, reports Cleveland Browns owner Randy Lerner said New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is on his list of candidates for the team's vacant head coaching position.
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No, No, NO...I dont want a RAC v1.2...Mangini is just another Bellichick "yes man".
Get someone like Marty or go with Grimm/Spagnola....please, no more NE pitch offs. We've tried that route...it blew up in our faces. Go with a proven HC or get a fresh face.
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Yeah, thanks fellas,,, that was my thinking but the way that one statement was worded, it almost sounded like the deal was done... OK, Thanks
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I honestly don't see how this could work. If he came back in 5+ years maybe but if the new coach is a hardass then his former players will run to RAC and divide the locker room.
lol... Reminds me of the great movie "Remember the Titans"
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I'm with ya on this one .. just say no to Mangini ... Mac has made a couple of good posts about the bad blood between Mangini and Poli ...
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