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I think that's what he IS driving at. A lot of people seem quick to label the Pioli/Mangini relationship as strained like the guys absolutely hate each other, when the fact of the matter is, it may not be the case...
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Who cares!
Lerner said he's be interested in talking to Mangini. I don't think that gives him an iota of an edge on anyone else! If someone had mentioned
Marinelli he have may have said the same thing!
I'll wait to think about that relationship IF it would move forward from here.
If Mangini is ramrodded through and is the best this organization can do...we're in bigger trouble than I thought!
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Agreed,,, sounds right to me
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What exactly are you basing this off of? How was Eric Mangini SO horrible? Two winning seasons, not too much talent. He drafted well in his first two rounds and has a couple of SOLID late round picks. Big free agents have not had a problem going in and playing for the guy. I'm not saying he's my #1 candidate for the job, but I can just tell you, the organization can do MUCH worse than Eric Mangini.....
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What exactly are you basing this off of? How was Eric Mangini SO horrible? Two winning seasons, not too much talent. He drafted well in his first two rounds and has a couple of SOLID late round picks. Big free agents have not had a problem going in and playing for the guy. I'm not saying he's my #1 candidate for the job, but I can just tell you, the organization can do MUCH worse than Eric Mangini.....
Basing what of off?
So Lerner said he'd be interested in talking...means nothing.
Mangini most likely wouldn't be drafting here. If he's got good input, so be it.
My point is, don't rush it! Maybe he's not the worst we can do, maybe there is much, much better. I might come around to liking him later after I see candidates. Who knows. He's just not high on my list which means nothing.
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Oh I absolutely agree as to not rushing horribly fast to get a candidate whose team isn't even in the playoffs. My main point is he just isn't as bad as I thought you were making him out to be. I still think he has a solid track record...
In that same breath, however, working with somewhat a sense of urgency is important here, as time is of the essense in getting the top candidates from who you're picking now...
If you're guy is in the postseason right now, you have to wait.
Alot of this talk is pointless until we have a GM in place, since Randy wants to tag his solid Front Office Exec and then the two of them will decide what's next, but damn it's fun to speculate...
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A few things to kick around.
Does he have Pioli and the next HC in the bag (so to speak) so when coordinators become available they see a strong GM/HC combo and strongly consider joining in?
Does he want Pioli in quickly as a selling point so ANY candidate, whether his team is still active or otherwise thinks about working with a proven GM?
I'm of the feeling he wants things falling into place rather quickly as to not be shut out of potential "excellent' candidates for all coaching positions.
As stated I do feel apprehensive about moving too quickly but certainly
don't want to be left out in the rain still rying to find a HC and or GM while other teams swarm the better candidates.
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Mangini crennel, Crennel Mangini...I just don't see that much of a difference twixt them.
Uninspiring lugs. I'd vote no!
Mangini isn't the players' coach Crennel was, not as much of a softy. He's more like Belichick in that regard. The man won 10 games and 9 games in two of his 3 seasons in New York, he got a hard rap in New York where the media and the spoiled fans have unrealistic expectations.
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Mangini crennel, Crennel Mangini...I just don't see that much of a difference twixt them.
Uninspiring lugs. I'd vote no!
Mangini isn't the players' coach Crennel was, not as much of a softy. He's more like Belichick in that regard. The man won 10 games and 9 games in two of his 3 seasons in New York, he got a hard rap in New York where the media and the spoiled fans have unrealistic expectations.
So I'll play devil's advocate...
How's that gonna differ from here? We always have realistic expectations?
10 and 9 wins, although an improvement, won't cut it here either for long...won't win the division and wouldn't have made the playoffs!
People are saying they don't want a NE coordinator and in essence this guy is just that! They say Billy ran the show, his coordinators are poo...how has he broken that stereotype?
I'm not totally against him but then neither do I particularly want him.
I'm just wondering how he differs from Crennel, McDaniels, Pioli or any NE
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Difference is the media in New York.... they're much more hostile and impatient there than ours can be...
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Is there a difference? lol. Only difference I see is that there is more media outlets in NY, than compared to Cleveland. But both can be impatient.
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Well, reports of Pioli being "very interested" in the Browns GM opening means one of 2 guys will probably coach- Mangenius or McDaniels.
And since Pioli already is familiar with RAC, and he said to Lerner he'd be willing to coach in some role with the Browns if it's right, this could get very interesting.
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I think that's what he IS driving at. A lot of people seem quick to label the Pioli/Mangini relationship as strained like the guys absolutely hate each other, when the fact of the matter is, it may not be the case...
You and Damon got it!
I'm not saying it's great. I'm saying it's an unknown.
Actually I thought that I explained that, but guess not.
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Well, reports of Pioli being "very interested" in the Browns GM opening means one of 2 guys will probably coach- Mangenius or McDaniels.
And since Pioli already is familiar with RAC, and he said to Lerner he'd be willing to coach in some role with the Browns if it's right, this could get very interesting.
u do have a point... makes u say hmmmm....
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so...what if we were to bring rac back as head coach? now knowing that crennel never had a full stack and knowing how highly the owner regards crennel...
maybe crennel can succeed with someone in charge who drafts/acquires for a specific system.
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I'm talking about as a DC. Romeo will never be the head coach, but if Lerner truly did put that out on the table to RAC, and Pioli hires someone else from the Bellichick tree, I wouldn't rule that out.
I'd actually be quite happy with it.
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agreed. here's the article, from rac's own mouth. sounds very promising and i think most of us would agree that rac would be a great dc here  you can see in his quotes that he's alluding to the issues he had with savage. really, this interview just feels like rac is saying "i have unfinished business in cleveland" and i would love to see rac succeed. hell, just modify rac's current contract to say defensive coordinator and we're good to go, lol. Quote:
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Monday December 29, 2008, 10:06 PM
Romeo Crennel, fired by the Browns Monday morning, made it clear in a phone interview that there's only one way he'd consider remaining with the team: if the new head coach really wanted him.
"You don't want to get into a situation where somebody other than the head coach is hiring the coaches because now you've got a situation that might not work best," said Crennel. "And for this organization to move forward, they need key people on the same page, going in the same direction."
Crennel, of course, was stripped of his ability to hire most of his assistants after he made a mistake on offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon in 2005. He also didn't have much of a say in player acquisition, including his desire to bring in key veterans this season to plug gaping holes.
But despite the fact it was obvious that he and fired general manager Phil Savage weren't on the same page, Crennel refused to use that as an excuse.
"As it turned out, we were both held accountable, both Phil and myself for our record and we're both out of a job and that's the bottom line," said Crennel. "Whatever the reasons are, no one really cares. It's just like on Sunday -- did you win or lose? That you're playing with the fourth quarterback doesn't matter. We're both accountable and we have to answer for that."
Crennel said he told owner Randy Lerner that he'd be open to staying, but only under the right circumstances.
"You'd have to be careful about how it would be looked on by the new people coming in," he said. "They don't want anyone looking over their shoulder, particularly someone who was here before. Even though the position might not be one they're directly in charge of, human nature gets into this thing a little bit. If that's their perception, whether it's right or wrong, it might impact their judgement or impact the way they do things."
Crennel said he'd keep an open mind. Crennel has a great relationship with Patriots Vice President Scott Pioli, who's up for the GM job, and Pioli might want Crennel to stay.
"I'd have to sit down and talk to Scott about it, but moreso than Scott, I'd have to talk to the head coach," he said. "That would be the major factor."
Lerner has also expressed interest in fired Jets coach Eric Mangini, who's a close friend of Crennel's from their days with the Patriots.
"Eric and I have a good relationship," Crennel said. "I like Eric a lot. Still, I'd have to sit down and talk with Eric about what his capacity is, about what his vision is and then he'd make a determination from there."
Crennel also thanked the fans for their support over the past few years and Lerner for giving him the opportunity. He said the firing is tough "but I'm hanging in there."
Savage breach? Lerner declined to say if Savage breached his contract by sending an offensive e-mail to a fan during the game at Buffalo. "I'm not dodging it," he said. "I think you get into a whole other kind of conversation." Profootballtalk.com reported Sunday night that the Browns might not have to pay Savage his entire salary -- his contract ran through 2012 -- if they can prove he breached the contract. Asked in a follow-up if he'd pay Savage and Crennel the balance of their deals, Lerner said, "I would expect."
No discussions: Lerner said he never offered Savage a lesser role in the organization, one that didn't include final say on the roster.
"That really didn't come up in the conversation," Lerner said.
Assistant coaches: Lerner said all of the assistant coaches are under contract, but all are permitted to begin interviewing for other jobs. He said he expected some of the assistants to stay on.
Spagnuolo coveted: The Browns hoped to talk to Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo as soon as possible, but it's not known if they've been granted permission. Fox's Jay Glazer reported Monday night that the Jets had received permission to talk to him and NFL Network's Adam Schefter reported that the Lions have also received permission. The Rams are also believed to be interested.
College coaches? Lerner said he'd be apprehensive about hiring a college coach. Urban Meyer had been on the Browns' radar screen, a source said. Scott Pioli is also close to Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz from their days with the Browns in the early 1990s.
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Romeo is a class act. I gotta give it to the guy- he's stays the same week in and week out. He keeps his cool and doesn't throw anyone under the bus. He was willing to take it. Same as Marinelli.
That was a positive interview. I honestly hope we get Pioli. If his HC would be interested in Romeo, I'd be extremely happy to have him stay.
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additionally, what's a better way to support a young, offensive-minded coach like mcdaniels? match that with a strong defensive coordinator that has years of experience. it'd be a match made in heaven in all seriousness.
even better, mcdaniels would feel no threat about someone stepping on his turf (probably something nolan felt with martz or the guy with the rams and haslet) because of rac being such a strong character.
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I always get nervous on new guys with no head coaching experience. Not saying he wouldn't work. I was on the Spanuolo bandwagon before Savage was canned. If Pioli comes in, he's going to look at him and Eric. Would make more sense.
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Still after this man gets fired, he still is thinking about moving this organization forward, I'm sure Savage isnt thinking about the Browns moving forward. Not once did RAC point a finger or place a blame, RAC is total class and I do hope he stays on in some compacity, I'm confident he will find a DC position somewhere, and when he does I wish him all the luck, what a classy person.
It's intresting how many of us see savage now after the firing, RAC was pretty much tossed under the bus. savage had too much control. RAC had to play the hand he was given, RAC made his share of mistakes, but he never complained or whinned to the media.
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Rac is a class act...if they wanted him to be the DC HERE..you'd get few complaints from me.
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Source: Cowher, Jets still to talk
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The door to the New York Jets' opening might not be closed for Bill Cowher just yet after all.
A high ranking Jets official told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that the team is still planning to speak to Cowher about its vacant head coaching job. No time or place for the interview has been set, but the official says the Jets would be willing to do "whatever is necessary" to land Cowher if he is truly interested in taking the job.
Cowher plans to speak publicly for the first time about the Jets' opening and other coaching opportunities during CBS' wild-card pregame show on Sunday, a source told 1050 ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand.
Initially, ESPN.com's John Clayton reported Cowher told the Jets he was not interested because he wanted his own personnel person. The Jets official's response indicates the team is willing to let Cowher replace current general manager Mike Tannenbaum with his own candidate.
A Jets source also said Tannenbaum says he's willing to adjust his position to accommodate Cowher.
Cowher has told friends the Jets job interested him for several reasons. First, Cowher would love to coach in the New York market. Second, two of his daughters are either going to school or working in the New York-New Jersey area.
If Cowher doesn't take an open NFL head coaching job this offseason, he does plan to coach in 2010, sources told Clayton. In 2009, though, he is willing to return only if every situation was right for him. He wanted to have a two-year break from coaching to be with family and recharge.
Last weekend, Cowher met with Browns owner Randy Lerner, who asked him what it would take financially for him to be the Browns' head coach. Having a close relationship with the Rooney family in Pittsburgh and still wanting more time with the family, Cowher didn't give
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I find it rather intresting, on sunday I read on the tickers that Brett Farve was talking about not returning next year, shoulder being one reason but another one said he did not like playing for Mangini, it stated that mangini during team film sessions become critical infront of everybody about Bretts interceptions, something about being sent to the principles office something childish like that, than after hearing that because of his shoulder & not getting along with Mangini Brett was gonna retire, than on Monday Mangini gets fired.....Hummmmmmmmmm, Seems to me somebody got tossed under a buss to assure Brett returns for another year, didnt the Jets FO give up a first rounder for Brett, to last one year & gone, The Jets are gonna do everything in thier power to see Brett returns, because to make the trade for a one year QB and give up what they did, would set thier team back a few years, maybe, but not worth what they gave up. I can see Brett having a say in who is brought in as coach.
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I see your article,, here is the one that says he's not intereted in the jets job Quote:
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Former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who rejected a chance to become head coach of the Browns last weekend, is not going to interview for the head coaching position of the New York Jets, according to multiple sources.
Cowher, according to a source, has been contacted by the Jets. Although he is interested in the Jets job, he told the team he would not be a candidate because he would like to bring in his own personnel director. Jets owner Woody Johnson plans to keep Mike Tannenbaum as his general manager after firing Eric Mangini as head coach Monday.
With Tannenbaum as the general manager, Cowher is willing to pass on the Jets opportunity, stay in broadcasting for another year and wait to return to coaching in 2010.
Cowher has told friends the Jets job interested him for several reasons. First, Cowher would love to coach in the New York market. Second, two of his daughters are either going to school or working in the New York-New Jersey area.
Cowher does plan to coach in 2010. In 2009, though, he was only willing to return if every situation was right for him. He wanted to have a two-year break from coaching to be with family and recharge.
Last weekend, Cowher met with Browns owner Randy Lerner, who asked him what it would take financially for him to be the Browns head coach. Having a close relationship with the Rooney family in Pittsburgh and still wanting more time with the family, Cowher didn't give Lerner a price, and said no.
Cowher recently extended his contract with CBS for another season.
Cowher plans to speak publicly for the first time about the Jets' opening and other coaching opportunities during CBS' wild-card pre-game show on Sunday, a source told 1050 ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand.
John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com.
Go figure,, espn is talking out of both sides of thier mouths making sure they have everything covered...LOL
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CLEVELAND -- The Browns will interview fired New York Jets coach Eric Mangini soon, possibly today or Wednesday, a league source said today. Mangini, who began his NFL career with the Browns in 1994 as a ballboy and public relations assistant, was fired by the Jets Monday after they went 9-7. The Browns fired head coach Romeo Crennel on Monday. In his three seasons with the Jets, Mangini went 23-25, including a 10-6 mark in 2006 and 4-12 record in 2007. He earned three Super Bowl rings as a defensive assistant in New England under Bill Belichick, who gave him his start in Cleveland. He is also the brother-in-law of Indians general manager Mark Shapiro. Mangini, who had one year left on his Jets contract, is one of several Browns head coaching candidates, including Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan and Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett. Mangini, 37, fell out of favor with Jets owner Woody Johnson and general manager Mike Tannenbaum, but the players lined up at his door to offer him support after he was fired. Just a month ago, Mangini had the Jets in first place, but they lost four of five games to fall from playoff contention. Mangini would be intriguing to the Browns because he loved working here, has head coaching experience and is well-versed in the Super Bowl winning ways of the Patriots. The Browns are also going hard after Patriots Executive Vice President Scott Pioli, who worked with Mangini in New England. The two were even in Cleveland together in 1995 and spent most of their careers together. But it remains to be seen what their relationship is following Spygate -- when Mangini accused the Patriots of taping the Jets defensive signals last year. One league source said, "I think it could be worked out.'' Mangini is also still very close with Crennel from their time in New England. In fact, there was some talk that Crennel would join Mangini in New York if he kept his job with the Jets. If Mangini got the Browns job, it wouldn't be far-fetched to think he'd ask Crennel to stay on as defensive coordinator. Crennel indicated Monday that he would be open to that kind of situation, depending on the head coach. Mangini was hailed as a young Belichick, his mentor, before the two had their rift. Pioli's interview is not expected to take place today, but perhaps tomorrow, a source said. McDaniels would be another leading candidate if Pioli is hired. link
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Damn, I'm impressed with this list....If these are truly the names leaner is talking about... he's at least looking at Quality guys.....
Isn't Jason Garrett from Shaker Heights, OHio? I'm pretty sure he is. Not that that should really matter.
Ya know what we haven't heard slip out.... we haven't heard when Marty is coming to town.. Which could mean he isn't or it could mean the deal is done 
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'Bout time some of these coaches put Brett in his place. Mangini was in a no-win situation with Favre. The guy came rolling into town as a conquering hero from Green Bay and expected everyone to play by his rules - then, he goes out and quits on the team in the final weeks. Favre is a tool.
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I hear what you are saying . . .
I read where RAC wants to stay here in some capacity and I feel that that is noble of the man. He wants to finish what he started.
I am thinking . . . how would a Schwartz head coach and RAC as DC work out? Grab Mangini to come coach the secondary . . . and be the assistant HC?
Just thinking out load there . . . so many interesting options . . . .
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Damn, I'm impressed with this list....If these are truly the names leaner is talking about... he's at least looking at Quality guys.....
Isn't Jason Garrett from Shaker Heights, OHio? I'm pretty sure he is. Not that that should really matter.
Ya know what we haven't heard slip out.... we haven't heard when Marty is coming to town.. Which could mean he isn't or it could mean the deal is done
My guess would be that since Cowher is supposedly "officially" out, that Marty is too ??
For those curious, I looked it up. Garrett was born in PA (Abington), but did live in Ohio -- Hunting Valley, a Cleveland suburb -- and attended University School. I think THAT's in Shaker,.... ??
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I would really like to see what happens if Pioli becomes the GM of the Browns. If he were to hire Mangini, that would say a lot about Spygate and Belichick. The smoking gun rests in Mangini's hand, but we do not have a definitive explanation of all that went down. (Do we?). While searching, I came across this... Mangini's Wikipedia Bio Some remarkable things in his bio: Quote:
Mangini and his wife Julie, have three sons, Jake, Luke, and Zack. Cleveland Indians General Manager Mark Shapiro is Mangini's brother-in-law.
No surprise - I had heard that he had ties to Cleveland besides football, but these other items - I never knew that...
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Mangini is also known for naming his children after important figures in his career as a professional football coach. His son Zack was born on Brett Favre's 39th birthday, and Mangini had promised Favre that he would name his son after the quarterback should he choose to sign with the Jets. As such, Mangini's third son is named Zack Brett.
 I'm sure he wishes he can take that back.
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In addition, his first son, Jake Harrison, is named after New England Patriots safety Rodney Harrison
Actually, that name sounds cool.
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and his middle child is named Luke William after Patriots head coach Bill Belichick.
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just saw on espn that mangini is supposed to be coming in for an interview for the head coaching position...could this mean we have our GM already
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Mangini and his wife Julie, have three sons, Jake, Luke, and Zack. Cleveland Indians General Manager Mark Shapiro is Mangini's brother-in-law.
There's your deal maker, right there. Get the woman/family involved, and it's all over.
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it sounds like a perfect fit to be honest....mangini didnt do a terrible JOB(haha) in ny
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it sounds like a perfect fit to be honest....mangini didnt do a terrible jog in ny
and he did a decent job coaching too! 
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just saw on espn that mangini is supposed to be coming in for an interview for the head coaching position...could this mean we have our GM already
This is where that hinge I mentioned earlier starts to open.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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