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maybe tomarrow or even late this evening we will find out whats going on for sure

DOH typo haha

I'd be happier than a fat kid in a candy store if RAC were to stay on as an assistant coach or defensive coordinator here. The man is a STUD DC and awesome person...he just sucked as a HC. Plus, we'd keep continuity so it isn't the huge blowup it could be and we all know it would make the players happy since they all love him anyway.

Mangini as HC? Yeah he wasn't great but he wasn't terrible. I'd be ok with it. Of course I'd be ok with bringing back Marty as well. The thing with Mangini is it gives us the most REALISTIC shot at keeping RAC on. If we were to hire Marty I think all bets are off.

Any word on Pioli as GM? I figure that will be move #1 and the other dominoes will fall after that.

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I've never seen the man jog nor read any reports on his jogging. So I'll withold my comments in that department.

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that's because mangini is a Jogger......NOT

We Browns fans are not the only ones questioning what effect spy-gate might have on hiring Mangini....both of the following articles question the feasible of a Pioli/Mangini relationship in Cleveland.


BROWNS TO INTERVIEW MANGINI
Posted by Mike Florio on December 30, 2008, 3:38 p.m.
To the extent that some league insiders believe that Eric Mangini’s involvement in the blowing of the whistle on the Patriots after he parlayed his time there into a head-coaching job would disqualify him from future employment in the NFL, none of those league insiders own the Cleveland Browns.

Because Browns owner Randy Lerner will be interviewing Eric Mangini for the team’s vacant head-coaching position, according to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

Mangini’s NFL career started with the Browns (i.e., Ravens) in 1994, as a ballboy and a P.R. assistant.

Theoretically, Mangini could be reunited in Cleveland with Pats V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli, whom Lerner is considering for the G.M. job.

The great unknown in all of this is the status of the relationship between Mangini and Pioli after the 2007 Spygate fiasco. Pioli also would have to take into account the potential impact of any collaboration with Mangini on Pioli’s legacy in New England. web page
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Cleveland Browns will interview former Jets coach Eric Mangini
by Mary Kay Cabot
Tuesday December 30, 2008, 2:01 PM

CLEVELAND -- The Browns will interview fired New York Jets coach Eric Mangini soon, possibly today or Wednesday, a league source said today.
Mangini, who began his NFL career with the Browns in 1994 as a ballboy and public relations assistant, was fired by the Jets Monday after they went 9-7. The Browns fired head coach Romeo Crennel on Monday.

In his three seasons with the Jets, Mangini went 23-25, including a 10-6 mark in 2006 and 4-12 record in 2007. He earned three Super Bowl rings as a defensive assistant in New England under Bill Belichick, who gave him his start in Cleveland. He is also the brother-in-law of Indians general manager Mark Shapiro.

Mangini, who had one year left on his Jets contract, is one of several Browns head coaching candidates, including Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan and Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett.

Mangini, 37, fell out of favor with Jets owner Woody Johnson and general manager Mike Tannenbaum, but the players lined up at his door to offer him support after he was fired. Just a month ago, Mangini had the Jets in first place, but they lost four of five games to fall from playoff contention.

Mangini would be intriguing to the Browns because he loved working here, has head coaching experience and is well-versed in the Super Bowl winning ways of the Patriots.

The Browns are also going hard after Patriots Executive Vice President Scott Pioli, who worked with Mangini in New England. The two were even in Cleveland together in 1995 and spent most of their careers together. But it remains to be seen what their relationship is following Spygate -- when Mangini accused the Patriots of taping the Jets defensive signals last year.

One league source said, "I think it could be worked out.''

Mangini is also still very close with Crennel from their time in New England. In fact, there was some talk that Crennel would join Mangini in New York if he kept his job with the Jets. If Mangini got the Browns job, it wouldn't be far-fetched to think he'd ask Crennel to stay on as defensive coordinator. Crennel indicated Monday that he would be open to that kind of situation, depending on the head coach.

Mangini was hailed as a young Belichick, his mentor, before the two had their rift. Pioli's interview is not expected to take place today, but perhaps tomorrow, a source said.

McDaniels would be another leading candidate if Pioli is hired. web page

Hopefully it's a damned road block!

Unless he's willingly open to Mangeni rather than yet another experiment.

That's my feelings as well.

A chess match. JMHO

Hopefully it's accurate.

j/c

mangini and kokinis are you freaking kidding me? Could have just kept savage and crennel. Lerner just needs to sell the damn team..he hasn't clue one what to do

These Mangini/Kokinis are just about making me sick to my stomach . . .

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/01/grossis_nfl_insider_a_manginik.html

Grossi's NFL Insider: A Mangini-Kokinis package is a back to the future move by Browns

by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter
Saturday January 03, 2009, 6:28 PM

One NFL executive observing the Browns' GM and coaching search commented, "In these situations, sometimes it's not who interviews first but who interviews last" who makes the biggest impression.
Let's hope so.

After one busy week of interviews, owner Randy Lerner is said to be enamored with Eric Mangini as coach and Scott Pioli as general manager, but he fears that the the two can't co-exist. So Lerner may choose Mangini and let him pick his personnel chief to assure they work arm-in-arm.

It is no secret in the NFL that one of Mangini's best friends in the business is George Kokinis, currently the director of pro personnel for the Baltimore Ravens. If Mangini wants to lure Kokinis as his right-hand man, he would have to formally cede total football authority to Kokinis. Anything less than that and Kokinis would not be able to leave the Ravens.

So how does a Kokinis-Mangini duo grab you?

Wow.

There are good "wows" and bad "wows." A good wow would mean Bill Parcells or Bill Cowher or Mike Shanahan entering the picture.

The other kind of wow is the equivalent of "Are you eidding me?"

Kokinis, 41, is yet another branch of the Bill Belichick tree sown in Cleveland in the early 1990s. As is Mangini. As is Pioli. As is Kirk Ferentz, Pioli's alleged favorite coaching candidate. As was Phil Savage.
The Browns have been obsessed with the Belichick "tree" ever since Belichick departed Cleveland and created a dynasty with the New England Patriots. Nobody has been able to do in Cleveland what Belichick has done in New England. That includes Belichick. So the Browns might want to expand their horizons.

Possible alternatives: Atlanta President Rich McKay reportedly told the Browns not to consider him a candidate for chief football executive until they finish all their due diligence and conduct the rest of their interviews.

You can't blame McKay if he doesn't want to be part of this circus. He is over-qualified for the position Lerner appears to be favoring.

McKay fits as an overseer, an experienced football executive who could re-establish the Browns' football culture by hiring his own general manager-type and coach.

He also is a polished public communicator and would bring to the Browns a much-needed expertise in law. The Princeton-educated McKay was a licensed attorney and was Tampa Bay's chief legal counsel before embarking as a football executive. You don't think McKay could have prevented the fiasco that unfolded this year with Kellen Winslow?

McKay's critics in Atlanta point to his decisions to give Michael Vick a $100 million contract extension and to hire Bobby Petrino as coach as great failings. They certainly were decisions McKay wished he'd have back. But they shouldn't be held against McKay in connection with the Browns' job. Better for McKay to commit those mistakes elsewhere and learn from them.

After all, that's the rationale for hiring Mangini. He's made his mistakes and should be a better head coach the second time around.

Which brings us to: Mike Mularkey.
The former Bills head coach and current Atlanta offensive coordinator has the same qualifications as Mangini with one important addition -- he knows the AFC North.

Mularkey was Cowher's tight ends coach in Pittsburgh from 1996 through 2000 and his offensive coordinator from 2001 through '03. That affiliation alone should merit Mularkey an interview, but he also has the experience of Buffalo head coach in 2004 and '05.

Like Mangini, Mularkey made his mistakes his first time around. He was 9-7 his first season and 5-11 the second year after he replaced Drew Bledsoe with J.P. Losman. Mularkey also inherited some coaches with whom he didn't see eye to eye.

After owner Ralph Wilson replaced Tom Donahoe as general manager with Marv Levy, Mularkey resigned and forfeited a year owed him if he had been fired.

Mularkey spent the next two seasons with Miami before landing as coordinator under first-year Atlanta coach Mike Smith. Under Mularkey's supervision, Falcons No. 1 pick Matt Ryan was a runaway winner of the league's offensive rookie of the year award and Atlanta made the playoffs with an 11-5 record.

Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson both would benefit under Mularkey as head coach.

ESPN ticker is saying that Mangini is leading candidate, and that Kokonis would be the GM.


Who in the world is Kokonis?

I dunno really, but it's going to come down to this:

What do we really want?

The right GM or the right coach?

We may really not have a clue as to what the hell is going on behind closed doors, but it's sounding more and more like Pioli maybe doesn't want the job that bad, and Lerner could break down and hire his coach first. Pioli and Mangini would be great together, but we don't know at this point in time if it can happen.

So it may come down to whether Randy wants his GM to pick the coach, or the coach to pick his GM. Randy wants his GM first, but also is hesitant in hiring a college coach. He may have to alter his way of thinking with at least one of those it seems.

I think Mangini would do a good job. Not only would he have familiarity with what we run on our D already, there's a chance he may bring RAC back. Less of a learning curve. I also want to be able to say that our GM and coaching staff see eye-to-eye. It wasn't happening last time around, as we found out, so if Pioli drags his feet, Randy may pull the trigger on his coach sooner than later.

Not only will he get the guy that he wants, it sounds like his guy will also get his. Everyone needs to be on the same level, the same plane of thinking. I don't have much to go on on this Kokonis, but if he can evaluate talent and think like his coach, it's a step in the right direction.

I dunno really, but it's going to come down to this:

What do we really want?

The right GM or the right coach?

We may really not have a clue as to what the hell is going on behind closed doors, but it's sounding more and more like Pioli maybe doesn't want the job that bad, and Lerner could break down and hire his coach first. Pioli and Mangini would be great together, but we don't know at this point in time if it can happen.

So it may come down to whether Randy wants his GM to pick the coach, or the coach to pick his GM. Randy wants his GM first, but also is hesitant in hiring a college coach. He may have to alter his way of thinking with at least one of those it seems.

I think Mangini would do a good job. Not only would he have familiarity with what we run on our D already, there's a chance he may bring RAC back. Less of a learning curve. I also want to be able to say that our GM and coaching staff see eye-to-eye. It wasn't happening last time around, as we found out, so if Pioli drags his feet, Randy may pull the trigger on his coach sooner than later.

Not only will he get the guy that he wants, it sounds like his guy will also get his. Everyone needs to be on the same level, the same plane of thinking. I don't have much to go on on this Kokonis, but if he can evaluate talent and think like his coach, it's a step in the right direction.

I have wanted Mangina from the jump... I am not warm to the idea that he wants the Konis guy from BaltiWhore but if that means him and his GM will have the same philosophy in team needs then maybe it would be for the best. I would just prefer someone in the GM role that can handle it and I KNOW Pioli could.

Couple 1st hand observations from a Jet fan on Mangini...They're not happy he got the axe...

I think you guys would be very lucky to get Mangini at this stage of his career. I'm a little peeved that ownership decided to pull the plug so early, and it's strange because even our GM has been unable to explain why Mangini was fired (all his responses lead you to believe the owner went over his head on the decision). The Jets were unfortunate to go through the growing pains with Mangini in his first three seasons, but even with that, you had a first-time head coach in his mid-30's who still as at the least a middle-of-the-pack NFL coach. There's nowhere to go but up.

It's also worth mentioning that our GM was mostly a cap/legal guru prior to his co-tenure with Mangini (they got hired at the same time), and Mangini was one of the big decision makers (if not THE big one) behind all our draft choices. Suffice to say, there's little doubt in my mind that the Jets have been top-5 in the NFL the past three seasons in draft record, and our player development by Mangini and the rest of the coaching staff has also been excellent.

Going down the list, we've drafted...

First round:
D'Brickashaw Ferguson (pro bowl alternate, third year)
Nick Mangold (pro bowler, third year)
Darrelle Revis (pro bowler, second year)
Dustin Keller (exceptional rookie year)
Vernon Gholston (developmental player switching positions, did nothing rookie year, possible bust, way too early to tell)

Second round:
Kellen Clemens (possible bust of a QB - has only started 7-8 games in three seasons - obviously had no chance this year)
David Harris (excellent ILB - led team in tackles in first year, injured for most of second year, but still solid)

Third round:
Anthony Schlegel (bust ILB)
Eric Smith (serviceable SS)

Fourth round:
Leon Washington (pro bowler, huge steal)
Brad Smith (great special teamer/utility player)
Dwight Lowery (solid nickel corner in year one)

That's all of our drafts the past three seasons for the first four rounds (though we also traded picks in those rounds for Thomas Jones and Kris Jenkins, two more pro bowlers this season, so they kind of count in the quota too). Anyways, asides from Schlegel and Clemens, both taken in Mangini's first season, we haven't had a single bust in the first four rounds, and the book isn't closed on Clemens yet, though he's obviously a long shot.

If you want that kind of talent evaluator (who can also develop the talent) in your war room on draft day, and a coach who's already middle-of-the-pack with three years experience in his mid-30's, with nowhere to go but up, you'll be happy with Mangini.

Some of you may wonder how on earth we didn't succeed this year with all of that talent, and I'm sort of still wondering it myself, however most analysts projected us to finish between 9-7 and 10-6 this season even after acquiring Favre, so it's not like the team drastically underperformed. Up until the time we were 8-3, things looked wonderful, and I have my theories about how everything fell apart, but no one knows for sure. It may have been just a bad coaching streak, it may have been bad luck, it may have been a QB with a torn bicep playing like crap, it may have been the team giving up on Mangini, it may have been the team giving up on Favre, it may have been the team realizing the owner didn't trust their coach and was forcing him to gameplan around Favre, some combination of all of that, or something else entirely. I really don't know. There's no denying everyone underperformed, Mangini included, but against any teams, it's hard to recover from your QB throwing 9 interceptions and 2 touchdowns in your final five games. The defense played like **** too, and that's his specialty, so a lot of blame goes to Mangini as well.

I'm admittedly a bit more of a Mangini apologist than many of my fellow Jets brethren, but I truly believe he's going to be an excellent coach in time, and I'm extremely saddened we let him go with no other plan in place, except to try and build around Favre, which is detrimental to everything else in place. Anyways, if you guys do hire Mangini, you'll have one more Browns fan around these parts, at least when you guys are playing the 30 teams not named the Jets.

To give you an idea about the culture and foundation, Mangini (and our GM, Tannenbaum) is very big on character, intelligence, and leadership in football players, and he really made over pretty much the entire team in three seasons. The team had very little talent when he took over (I'd say less than you have now), while most of our good players at the time were over-the-hill.

When he took over, we had no extra draft picks owed to us, no special assets, and very few young prospects worth a damn. However, in the next three seasons, we built the team heavily through the draft, supplemented it with free agents and trades, and pretty much overhauled the entire team, while also noteworthy transitioning from the 4-3 to the 3-4.

Comparing our roster today to what it was the day Mangini took over, the only noteworthy contributors remaining are:

WR Laveranues Coles
WR Jerricho Cotchery (developed 100% by Mangini - he did nothing prior to Mangini arriving)
RG Brandon Moore (our weakest offensive lineman)
DE Shaun Ellis (pro bowler)
LB Eric Barton (solid veteran)
OLB Bryan Thomas (complete bust prior to Mangini - now serviceable)
FS Kerry Rhodes (excellent player)

So really, that's seven holdovers in three seasons. It took a lot of vision and balls to make over a team that quickly while staying highly competitive, changing defensive systems as well, with not much to work with when he arrived. Our GM obviously gets some of the credit for that, but Mangini was integral in building our foundation and core, much of which came through the draft. From skimming your boards, it seems you guys aren't all too thrilled about your current talent level, but I'd venture to guess you have a bit more than we've held over in the past three seasons. It's a shame for the Jets, because when you look at what was done in laying the groundwork in three seasons, we're really in some prime position to succeed, and we've thrown out the main guy behind it, likely bringing in someone who will tear much of it down, starting over in a different direction, setting us back.

If you guys have the patience to let Mangini see his work through, I think you'll be very happy. He's not perfect, and he's still growing, but I think in time he'll be a very good coach in this league, and he already brings quite a bit to the table.

Sorry to bore you with so many Jets anecdotes, but I figured some of you would like some substantive information to back up some of the claims I and other Jets fans are making. I can tell you Mangini is this or that, but it doesn't really mean much without filling in the details of what was really done in the past three seasons. Hope some of you find this informative and I'm not just taking up bandwidth

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1547&t=3710066

Interesting read DnD.. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Well, obviously this Jets fan has thought out his reasons for liking Mangini and it's interesting to hear a fan talk positivly about a fired head coach.

More than one person on here has brought up the wierd things that went on this past year in NY. SO maybe it's not all on Mangini.. All I know is that he had a very good first year, horrible second year and 9-7 in his third year..

I don't know about any of you, but if the team of Savage and Crennel had had that kinda record over the first three years, they'd still be here.. I'm pretty sure of that.

The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to really want Mangini.

He has a lot of upside no doubt. There are so MANY more experienced HC's available but the problem is that they expect more control over things and I really wish that many of the extra details they got involved in would be left to the GM. I would LOVE to have Shanahan but there is no way the man comes here just to coach... He is gonna want a minimum of what he did in Denver and honestly I think he has earned that right... Just would not want to see it here...

As DnD pointed out in the post above and I elluded to earlier, it may be for the best to get the right GM that will work hand in hand with him in player evaluation, scouting etc...

Just hope we get it right but the thought of Ferentz scares the poo outta me...

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I'm tired of the Belichick tree. My opinion is that "Chuckles" Belichick is such a strong, controlling executive that none of his underlings come out of there fully developed.

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I kinda feel the same way.. The exception is Mangini who is now 3 years removed from the NE Tree and has been able to pretty much stand on his own two feet....

I'm not convinced that Pioli or McDaniels can do it,, however, everything and I mean everything I read about McDaniels tells me this might be one exceptional young man...

If we ended up with Pioli and McDaniels,, I don't think it would be the end of the world.... But I'm still pushing for an experienced HC...

All of this talk about the poor performance of the Belichick tree reminds me of that old SNL skit where Reagan was a genius and his cabinet was a bunch of buffoons (classic Phil Hartman). It's not like Belichick surrounds himself with people who are clueless about football. To be successful, he has to make sure his staff is pretty sharp.

I'm perfectly fine with Mangini coming to Cleveland, provided he and the GM are on the same page.

There's no way I'd lose sleep over getting Mangini as coach.

But for Lerner to possibly go for his coach and get his input on who to get as GM feels rediculous to me right now.

Mangini/Kokinis sure feels like Crennel/Savage: PART 2 to me. They had better get along REALLY well and be on the same damn page w/ what they want to establish.

Who knows, maybe it would work. I've initially felt GOOD about every other new phase of this joke of a franchise . . .

Personally, I think that the coach is vital.

He needs to be a guy who understands the role of head coach ... and who can handle the job, not of being a coordinator, but being a head coach.

If Mangini has learned from his first experience, and can add to his own role as leader of the entire team, then I think he'd be a fine hire.

People get so knotted up in "this guy came from this coaching tree", or "that guy did this, that, ot the other thing there ....", when the only thing that really matters is "how would he do here?". They also get twisted over personalities, and sideline behaviors. Cower was a screamer on the sidelines. Parcells would have barely reacted to explosions. Belichick is about as dry a personality as you could possibly find to interview. Parcell was .... expressive in press conferences. There is no one "this is what a coach must have to be successful" .... because if there was, everyone could find it, and no coaches would ever fail.

Lerner seems to be approaching this in the correct manner. There might be a coach or 2 out there that I would prefer to be interviewed, or even hired ...... but it seems like Lerner if doing his due diligence, and if he decides that Mangini has the right combination of capabilities and abilities to take this team to the top ..... then I'm willing to accept that decision as his to make. (like I have a choice anyway)

I am not high on Mangini...but I will support him if he is hired

another name Besides Marty I want th throw out there is Steve Mariucci

why in the world is Lerner not talking to this guy?

Mooch is a very good coach, no way you can judge Mooch on the Detroit Lions Fiasco...my gosh Bill Walsh couldn't win with Matt Millen running the show.

I think Mooch would be the "perfect" coach for Cleveland..the 49ers have sucked since they fired him(after he went 10-6) had 2 losing seasons in 5 years....

I think this is the perfect team for Mooch...Young QB he can work with(Quinn or Anderson) Mooch is a very smart offensive minded coach

He is expereined, smart, and can handle the Cleveland Media...Mooch also has a little fire about himself

Bring Mooch in here 1st, and then Randy and Mooch can decide on a personnel guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mariucci

Just my opinion but in watching the interview with Shanahan and Schefter he said he went to Denver because they had a QB. "If you have a QB, you have a chance", he told Schefter. Plus it was brought up that P. Manning called Shanahan when the news broke about being fired and it was only said to wish him well but you have to figure that more went on in that conversation than that. I'm guessing that he's waiting to see if Dungy is going to retire and take the Colts job. Dungy's being on the fence is now an annual event, like Farve I suppose, but with Shanahan out there he might be pushed by the owner to use it or get off the pot.

I think I'd rather have Shanahan than anyone else mentioned but those chances are slim to none.