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Chargers run a more traditional pro system. RB, FB, TE, and 2 receiver sets. They tend to run a great deal of off tackle runs more than we are used to seeing. That is something we saw with Chud and Lee Suggs. He really pounded the ball and rolled the qb out a lot. chud is probaly a better fit for Frye.
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Hey Purp do you realize Tom Landry, Bill Walsh, Bill Cowher, George Halas, Bill Bellyachecheck  and Vince Lombardi didn't have any head coaching experience when they got their first head coaching jobs 
WHAT???? You mean to tell me that those guys hadn't been head coaches before they were head coaches? Egads!!!! 
Golly, I bet there would be a couple more that fit that genre, if we were to really look.
On a lighter note: Anyone know what h.s. he went to in Toledo? (I'm thinking it was Central Catholic, but don't remember for sure)?
Hopefully, with his t.e. coaching experience, he will be able to figure out how to get Winslow more than 4 yds downfield on pass routes more often than once a game.....
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Hopefully, with his t.e. coaching experience, he will be able to figure out how to get Winslow more than 4 yds downfield on pass routes more often than once a game.....
Not to get off topic, but man, this really bothered me during the season and was undoubtedly what contributed to his poor yards/completion.
Wonder if it had anything to do with his knee? When he did get down field, he didn't seem to have much separation. The best part about that, though, is he still usually found a way to make the catch.
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Chargers run a more traditional pro system. RB, FB, TE, and 2 receiver sets. They tend to run a great deal of off tackle runs more than we are used to seeing. That is something we saw with Chud and Lee Suggs. He really pounded the ball and rolled the qb out a lot. chud is probaly a better fit for Frye.
Sounds like a good fit for our division as well... a nice big LT would help it sounds like 
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Boys and girls, a thought just struck me..
What if (and I'm feeling a little like a conspiracy nut here) Chud was hired to be OC this year but to move into HC next season if the team as a whole flounders?
Think about it,,, Young up and comer,, Home state Roots,,, Connected to our Biggest Offensive weapon (KW2)...
Ok, it's a long shot,,,, But I just wonder
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If the O improves and our record doesnt that becomes a very possible scenerio.
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A coordinator with no HC experience is one thing...a HC is another.
We have gone the route of HC's without experience....if we hire a new HC, I want it to be someone who has done the job before.
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Huge longshot... I can't see him moving into a HC position that fast... especially after only one year with the Browns... and if RAC/the Browns flounder do you really think we'd move a guy from inside the organization to HC? I would hope we'd look for someone outside of the organization.
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Ding din, there it is. Why would you want a "Proven" OC???
You mean proven? Like hasn't won a superbowl, or hasn't had a quality product and got fired?
Upn comers are the future of the league. My question is, was this guy a Butch Casualty or why did he leave?
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His contract was up with Cleveland, and he didn't know if Rac was going to keep him or not, so he jumped at a good oppertunity in San Diego.
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Thank you for the info ! .. I thought WE told the guy to Walk.. I remember him as being well thought of on the board ! Just didn't make sense at first .. Maybe we have something here ! .. Oh yea and " EO " , up yours  ..
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Yeah Peen,,, So do I,, but think about it. It could happen. Now, think about this one.. Who is one experienced HC that may very well be available after next season. One that's kinda holding on by a thread (not that it's deserved). One of the winningest coaches still in the game.... Does the name Marty mean anything to you? So, Marty has his built in OC in Chud. A guy he already knows.... Hey, this conspiracy stuff is kinda FUN! 
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Then I am glad we didn't hold our pride too much, and welcomed him back.
I welcome him, and Young up n comers are what this team needs more of.
Romeo is our coach, and I hope he gets it done this year so he can stay, but he isn't getting any younger.
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Ding din, there it is. Why would you want a "Proven" OC???
You mean proven? Like hasn't won a superbowl, or hasn't had a quality product and got fired?
Upn comers are the future of the league. My question is, was this guy a Butch Casualty or why did he leave?
I think experience DOES count for something.
Going back to a post I made a little ways up: I don't think there is anything wrong with a 'retread' OC if you take a look at the conditions that made them a retread. Look at Norv Turner, for example. Great OC but couldn't cut it as a head coach. So he goes back to being an OC, and he did a pretty good job with SF this year.
Doesn't mean he was a bad OC, just means he couldn't cut it as a HC. I would have liked for us to find somebody that fit this mold, if possible.
But I hope Chud comes in here and gets the job done. He has my support 100%.
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I think Marty is a great HC... but he has proved that he can't win in the playoffs.... if he comes up with another 10+ win season and loses in the playoffs I can't see SD keeping him.
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Huge longshot... I can't see him moving into a HC position that fast
Mangini did it,,, granted, he had to change teams, but he spent years as a coach, but only 1 as a DC,,,,, Then BOOM,, He's a HC in NYC.
I guess what I'm saying is, "it could happen"! But really, no I don't expect it to happen.
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Thanks.
I just listened to the PC....didn't sound like Romeo knew much about the guy........one time called him Rob, another Rod.
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I think if the Browns record sucks next year but the offense appears to have made great strides AND Chud impresses people in the organization, then I think it's very plausible. I'm with you Daman...
Plus, it just seems like no matter what, we will not go after the big name guy. We prefer to give the jobs to guys with little to no coaching experience related to the job they are being hired for.
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I could give two dinks on the OC...we need an OL to do anything successfully the rest will come.
...a little stronger than I would put it...but pretty much on par.
He's got a great football name...'Chud'  Gotta luv it.
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Huge longshot... I can't see him moving into a HC position that fast
Mangini did it,,, granted, he had to change teams, but he spent years as a coach, but only 1 as a DC,,,,, Then BOOM,, He's a HC in NYC.
I guess what I'm saying is, "it could happen"! But really, no I don't expect it to happen.
Sean Payton did it too...
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at this point I could really care less who the OC is... as long as we don't have an OL nothing will change... and until we learn how to the basics of football we won't be a winning team. hopefully he will grind the basics into the offense... that is really what we need more then anything...
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Plus, it just seems like no matter what, we will not go after the big name guy. We prefer to give the jobs to guys with little to no coaching experience related to the job they are being hired for.
Problem is there's rarely big name coaches on the market who have proven themselves.
Right now Cowher is the only one. The rest are retreads who failed somewhere else. Or we could defrost Dick Vermeil.
Everyone says "Let's get a proven head coach." Those aren't around all that much.
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Well I just spent the last 10 - 15 minutes or so listening to the Presser introducing Chud as the OC.. (yeah Peen, RAC called him Rod once,,,, tell me you never did that to someone)
ya know what, he's an impressive young man.. Not that it makes a big difference, but he is as diehard a Browns fan as any of us..
I think it was Mary Kay Cabot that asked him why he would leave the highest scoring Offense in the league to come here.. (typical PD reporter with a negative spin on everything Geez)
His response was that he's a Browns fan and this is the job he wanted..(I'm paraphrasing here) and said he liked challenges,
He says he'll be giving all the players a clean slate (I swear, that's said everytime there is a coaching change).. he was asked about Frye and Winslow and the Oline and again, he said he has to take time to evaluate those players..
At the end RAC was asked about Davidson and Schere (sp) and he said they will have a chance to sit with Chud and they will all talk and decisions will be made.. He also said that he wasn't sure, but they may have opportunities elsewhere.
Sounds as if the plan all along was to briing in someone else and let the chips fall where they may.
Like I said, I like how the kid handled himself in the interview.. I know that doesn't really mean much, but it's all I got to go on for the moment..
When I first heard this news, I was skeptical, but maybe that's just being too cautious..
Let's see what the kid does.
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I don't know a lot about the guy but because of where he came from do you think there is a possibility that he gets in someones ear and we pick up Turner in FA.
I know he is restricted and it would cost us draft picks but I don't know a lot about the situation. What kind of picks would it take? I wouldn't be willing to give up a first but if he could be had for a 3rd or so.
I don't know so if I'm off base please tell me. I am not sure how restricted free agency works.
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Wasn't Turner a 5th rounder? I'd give that up maybe... I havn't seen enough of him play.
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I was driving home this morning and heard this on WTAM, I was shocked to hear it was Chud, I hadn't even heard his name thrown around. I guess Kudo's to Savage on that, he has been able to really keep things underwrap in this organization.
I really like this move alot after thinking about it. He has been with really powerful offenses and has some solid expericence in the pros now. Also he coached Kellen and the two had a great relationship, Chud will know what to do with Kellen, afterall he did it with him in Miami. Hopefully this time unlike last, K2 will be on the field for Chud. Also Chud makes great sense because being at Miami, he worked with and learned how to deal with hot heads, K2, Shockey, all the other guys down there. That shoulld help him keep K2 and especially Braylon in check. Plus Chud is a players coach. And to add to my point about his coaching the big guys at Miami, he also has had Gates for two years so he should really be able to maximize a healthy Kellen (knock on wood). I like this move alot, and the local connection is an added bonus, but even without that, this move makes alot of sense.
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yea but because he is a RFA, it is likely chargers will give him a first round tender and possibly a first and third round tender.
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My evil twin wants to do a trade and sign for turner and get a couple of draft choices tossed in for the Browns #3, that would get San Diego the big time wideout, and the Browns a running back, plus put them ahead of Detroit and Oakland for the OL that will come off the board.
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Not to get off topic, but man, this really bothered me during the season and was undoubtedly what contributed to his poor yards/completion.
Wonder if it had anything to do with his knee? When he did get down field, he didn't seem to have much separation. The best part about that, though, is he still usually found a way to make the catch.
Kellen said many times that he could not break tackles because of his knee. The guy didn't play 30 straight games and was out for two years with staph infections and all kind of operations. Yea he couldnt break tackles because he wasn't 100% but he was nothing short of a miracle player this year.
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Turner will command anything from a mid-first to late first and third. The Chargers expect him to get a high tender.
He is a good back. Good size and speed.
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If I don't miss on this guess, I'd say that Turner is out of the question for us... I'm just guessing here, but the Chargers are going to want more than we will want to give..
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Interesting move. Hey, whatever, I'll take it. Don't know enough yet to pass judgment and I won't until November. I think this bodes well for us taking AP in the draft though. Get us a runner like LT and then build the line so he can actually have a chance of putting up similar numbers. That way Chud can run a similar offensive gameplan to what the Chargers ran, especially with Winslow picking up the role of Gates. We could be even more explosive because I think we have a lot of untapped or undeveloped talent at the WR position opposed to SD. Who knows?
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If I don't miss on this guess, I'd say that Turner is out of the question for us... I'm just guessing here, but the Chargers are going to want more than we will want to give..
I agree 100%, too high of an asking price add to that fact that we have a shot at Peterson.
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It's funny, but since Chud has been named OC a few hours ago, just about every thread has a reference to Adrian Peterson being our choice..
I don't know if that was our choice to begin with and I don't if or why hiring Chud (great name for a coach by the way) makes any difference. Not sure I understand the logic or connection. Help me if you can someone.
Besides, what OC wouldn't want to get his hands on a LT that could anchor the line on the left side for the next 10 years?
In addition if I listen to so many posters on here, there is a bunch of strong RB's coming out next season... so why do we need to take one now?
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He's coming from San Diego where they have a great running back in Tomlinson... so it's assumed we too will want to make having our own L.T. a top priority... of course this ignores the tidbit that before he coached TE's for a San Diego team that has L.T., he coached TE's in Cleveland where they don't have a L.T. 
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I assume he layed out his offensive philosophy to PS, RAC, and Randy and they liked what they heard. Now it is Phil's job to go out and find players to fit that offense. We have no idea what Chud has in mind just yet. It will be interesting to see what kind of players Phil signs in FA and drafts. That should tell something about what we might see on the field offensively this fall.
However, no matter what offensive identity the Browns want to create... it all starts with building the offensive line!
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Boys and girls, a thought just struck me..
What if (and I'm feeling a little like a conspiracy nut here) Chud was hired to be OC this year but to move into HC next season if the team as a whole flounders?
Think about it,,, Young up and comer,, Home state Roots,,, Connected to our Biggest Offensive weapon (KW2)...
I said this on the other thread..Mourg responded..this guy knows the team came from a good offensive system where they utlilize power blocking..
But I still say whoever thy hired would be able to become HC at the drop of a hat..interesting..
Of his specific offensive style, Chudzinski said, "I've always been around and been exposed to attacking-style offenses that are built on a balance of run and pass and that utilize the talents of the guys that are part of that offense. Giving those guys a chance to make plays for you in an attacking style is basically what we've talked primarily about."
Hmmmm makes me wonder about our first pick..
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Attack, your attributing that entire quote to me,,,but I didn't say all of that,,,, Can you please correct it,, I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm wierder than they already do...Thanks
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