|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015 |
Quote:
well let me start by saying that i think DA could be a much better qb than quinn.
Well when DA came in to relieve BQ he went
Code:
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
D. Anderson 5/14 51 0 1 (Hou)
D. Anderson 16/26 110 0 0 (Ind)
Not exactly lighting it up himself was he. On top of a poor start to the season when he was the starter.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
that's true, but you know what i remembered when i woke up today? when we started the season, at the very very last minute, stallworth pulled himself out of the game and who took his place? syndric steptoe. think about that for a moment. we're playing a perceived "elite team" who had all the confidence in the world. we had a gameplan set in stone on how to beat them and in the last minute, our free agent speedster acquisition pulls himself out because of a hammy, a hammy that will go on to linger for weeks, such that we had to place a practice squad guy as our no. 2 receiver. hell, they didn't even cover steptoe. they didn't even need to. remember that article with the new details coming out? like how the coaching staff wanted a veteran receiver because they felt that was hurting DA and edwards? well look what happened after the next few games? when did they get back on page again? when stallworth came back after a bye week, drawing coverage and we beat the giants.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 11
Rookie
|
|
Rookie
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 11 |
Quote:
Quote:
Phil drafted Quinn. Phil was from the Rats not the Pats. Nobody "knows". But he had one healthy start with three days to prepare and we put up 30 points.
Lets not forget that it was against at that time the leagues worst defense. The following week (injured or not) after a team got film on him, Quinn was shut down.
I'm not saying that Quinn's game is limited. We will truly see what he has next year. At least we'll still have both him and DA for good depth.
No, the new coach and GM will not ship DA out because of his contract. Quinn and DA will both compete and start for the starting job next preseason I'm sure under the new staff.
Lets also not forget that Quinn had one Kawika Mitchell in his face all game long thanks to Fraley sandbagging it because his buddy was demoted.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
only remember the failures of DA and not any of the good/improvements
Having a crappier second half of the season than the first is NOT improving. Just FYI.
Untrue statement. Last I remember DA's play was on the rise when he got yanked. Many on here argued that it wasn't a good time to pull him.
Then you were watching through DA glasses. He looked no better. Untrue statement? Right back atcha. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
170-ish passes without an int is an improvement.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367 |
Unless someone on the other team was laying on the ground about 3 feet from one of our receivers, intercepting would be impossible. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Who are you..SOUP?
Are you that blinded..so what if he doesn't throw a pick , if he can't hit a guy in stride or a simple 5 yard toss?
He's inaccurate as crap..you and a lot of others got caught up in the numbers he posted in 07.
Fact is during the second half of the season his ratings/completion % TD's went south...
He couldn't win the big games..he struggles against top defenses..where's the improvement?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
where has soup been? wouldn't mind some support  no, i'm not caught up on his 07 numbers. if i were, i'd point out there were at least two more games we should've won that clearly were not on DA's shoulders: raiders and cardinals. that said, i just notice that browns fans in general are always whining about not having a qb, we go through EVERY SINGLE TYPE of qb available and we circled around to the 1st round pick again. yet, we have a qb who clearly has talent and shows promise and we shove him aside because of the 1st round pick. all i'm for, is a qb battle in the offseason and we'll let the chips fall where they may. Quote:
so what if he doesn't throw a pick , if he can't hit a guy in stride or a simple 5 yard toss?
you're kidding right? DA's greatest weakness was that he threw too many ints. everyone kept harping at it, saying quinn won't throw ints. now that DA IMPROVES that section, it doesn't matter? and such a general statement like "can't hit a guy in stride" or "a simple 5 yard toss" is wildly exaggerated. you should know that.
Last edited by dong; 12/30/08 04:05 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
I'd rather have a bad pass go to the dirt than into the hands of the defense anyday. If looking at gameday footage and facts are looking at things through "DA glasses" as you put it, than I hope most are.
I like certain aspects of both QBs. Quinn has a nice, controlled short game and mobility and DA has a sweet long ball and bullet. Now if we had both rolled into 1 QB we'd be set, but we aren't.
I argue that a short game and accuracy can be developed over time and experience, unfortunately the natural gifts of the longball can't. Unless I see Quinn throw one, I won't believe he has it as DA does. I'm not saying Quinn has a noodle arm by any means though. Please don't confuse that. I believe that DA will improve his short game on another team that commits soley to him and gives him opportunities to grow, but because of media and fan pressure that won't be here.
It's nice and refreshing to see Quinn's mobility. I've already read it posted that he is fit for a West Coast offense. Chud was attempting to switch that style this year with the wrong QB, but why? Last year we didn't run that and had tremendous success gunning it deep. That kept defenses from stacking the box and opened up the run game. Some argue that he was running an offense made for Quinn with DA under center. IF that is true than this year's offensive woes can be placed on not only a lack of player execution, but also the OC's shoulders for stearing away from what made us a top tier offense in 2007.
Can Quinn improve? Yes and he will.
Can DA improve? Yes (the Giants game and the pickless streak are proof) and he will.
Next year a coach needs to pick what style of offense he wants to go with and pick the QB that best fits it. WCO or the Gun? We can go either way. We will need to pick up a speedy, shifty back to pull off the running game in a WCO though but thats a side topic.
Oh, to keep this on topic. Quinn wasn't a product of Weiss, just god given ability. That is proof in the poster's observations of Weiss' failures at ND to produce another QB and the emergence of Cassel's development in NE.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
If you can't complete the short/intermediate routes you're leaving yards on the field, you're not capable of sustaining drives..and scoring opportunities.
Now try and find something to counter that.
U won't.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,950 |
Just when are we gonna get recievers to catch these passes being thrown....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
Quote:
If you can't complete the short/intermediate routes you're leaving yards on the field, you're not capable of sustaining drives..and scoring opportunities.
Now try and find something to counter that.
U won't.
i have no idea what you're looking for. do you want me to find plays where it says "DA completion to edwards for 5 yards, for 10 yards"? because you know that's rediculous. i've already faced these arguments and what i've concluded multiple times is it's much easier to remember one or two plays and keep your opinion. you remember that long throw that edwards had to lay out for against cinci and you say that DA can't hit a receiver in stride. you look at a missed pass by vickers or lewis and say DA can't dump the ball off.
here is the simple fact: DA is best throwing passes of 10 yards and greater, with his strength being the 10-20 yard throws and he's better than average on the long ball. he is not at his best when he's throwing under 5 yards. dumpoffs were hard for him last season. i would say he improved on those. can he complete that one pass quinn made to harrison? i don't know and if pressed, i would even say i don't think so. that said, i know DA of 08 was much better at the short ball and dumping off the ball than the DA of 07 and that gives me hope. in addition to that, i also know that lewis is not the best back to dump off to. a good example? against the steelers when gradkowski dumps off to lewis, he bobbles, it's intercepted, and returned for the td.
if you continue to stubbornly refuse that DA has improved, nothing i can provide you will satisfy that. you know what else helps to sustain drives? to have a consistent running game. that helps a lot regardless of who your qb is.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Poser
|
|
Poser
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659 |
It's rather simple as to why there was a change to shorter routes.....because DCs had figured out you take away the long ball. DA throws a great deep ball most of the time. However, that doesn't move the chains. You need someone that has great short to intermediate game with an adequate long ball to be successful.
DA should be shopped to the Raiders. Davis is old and senile and still in love with the big arm.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
Quote:
If you can't complete the short/intermediate routes you're leaving yards on the field, you're not capable of sustaining drives..and scoring opportunities.
Now try and find something to counter that.
U won't.
There are games where he did hit the short throws. The Jax and Giants games are proof. Those aren't defenses to brush off either. CAn DA do it on a more consistent basis in the future? That is the question that coaches will ask themselves.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
turns out it wasn't much work. all i had to do was look at the first two drives against the cowboys and stop working after that. practically all the passes were short passes with yac and one was a touchdown pass of 2 yards. hope that's good enough for you because i don't wnat to do more work. simply put, at least i'm impartial to the qbs and want both to succeed. i'm only posing the question if other's see that quinn could be a bust given the points i made earlier. Quote:
6-N.Folk kicks 64 yards from DAL 30 to CLE 6. 12-S.Steptoe to CLE 29 for 23 yards (34-D.Anderson).
1-10-CLE 29 (14:53) 31-J.Lewis left guard to CLE 32 for 3 yards (55-Z.Thomas).
2-7-CLE 32 (14:20) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 31-J.Lewis to CLE 46 for 14 yards (94-D.Ware).
1-10-CLE 46 (13:39) 3-D.Anderson pass short middle to 80-K.Winslow to DAL 48 for 6 yards (55-Z.Thomas).
2-4-DAL 48 (13:04) 31-J.Lewis left guard to DAL 45 for 3 yards (99-C.Canty).
3-1-DAL 45 (12:29) 3-D.Anderson FUMBLES (Aborted) at DAL 46, and recovers at DAL 46. 3-D.Anderson to DAL 46 for no gain (56-B.James).
4-2-DAL 46 (12:02) 15-D.Zastudil punts 46 yards to end zone, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Touchback.
Quote:
6-N.Folk kicks 70 yards from DAL 30 to CLE 0. 12-S.Steptoe to CLE 22 for 22 yards (57-K.Burnett).
1-10-CLE 22 (6:35) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 17-B.Edwards to CLE 24 for 2 yards (42-A.Henry).
2-8-CLE 24 (5:57) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 80-K.Winslow to CLE 37 for 13 yards (26-K.Hamlin).
1-10-CLE 37 (5:22) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete deep left to 17-B.Edwards.
2-10-CLE 37 (5:16) 31-J.Lewis left guard to CLE 42 for 5 yards (90-J.Ratliff).
3-5-CLE 42 (4:37) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short middle to 17-B.Edwards (99-C.Canty) [94-D.Ware]. PENALTY on DAL-32-O.Scandrick, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 42 - No Play.
1-10-CLE 47 (4:29) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete deep left to 17-B.Edwards.
2-10-CLE 47 (4:29) 31-J.Lewis right guard to 50 for 3 yards (94-D.Ware).
3-7- (3:48) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass short middle to 80-K.Winslow to DAL 33 for 17 yards (25-P.Watkins).
1-10-DAL 33 (3:06) 31-J.Lewis left tackle to DAL 36 for -3 yards (96-M.Spears).
2-13-DAL 36 (2:25) 3-D.Anderson pass short left to 17-B.Edwards to DAL 24 for 12 yards (55-Z.Thomas).
3-1-DAL 24 (1:43) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 82-S.Heiden to DAL 15 for 9 yards (38-R.Williams).
Timeout #1 by CLE at 00:59.
1-10-DAL 15 (:59) 31-J.Lewis right guard to DAL 14 for 1 yard (98-G.Ellis, 72-S.Bowen).
2-9-DAL 14 (:59) (Shotgun) PENALTY on DAL-95-T.Johnson, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 14 - No Play.
END QUARTER 1
Cleveland Browns continues ...
2-4-DAL 9 (15:00) 29-J.Wright left guard to DAL 4 for 5 yards (26-K.Hamlin).
1-4-DAL 4 (14:18) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete short left to 17-B.Edwards [55-Z.Thomas].
2-4-DAL 4 (14:14) 31-J.Lewis right guard to DAL 3 for 1 yard (90-J.Ratliff).
3-3-DAL 3 (13:31) 3-D.Anderson pass incomplete to 17-B.Edwards. PENALTY on DAL-21-A.Jones, Defensive Pass Interference, 2 yards, enforced at DAL 3 - No Play.
1-1-DAL 1 (13:27) 31-J.Lewis left guard to DAL 2 for -1 yards (94-D.Ware, 98-G.Ellis).
2-2-DAL 2 (12:48) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 80-K.Winslow for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
0-0-DAL 2 4-P.Dawson extra point is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-15-D.Zastudil.
Last edited by dong; 12/30/08 04:33 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Are you serious?  U looked at one game in a two year span?? Talk about inept 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
Quote:
Are you serious?
U looked at one game in a two year span??
Talk about inept
LOL, I have to say that you asked. Given a string of games from both Quinn and DA, I'm sure you can find and back any arguement.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
inept? i don't understand you. you want me to do all this work that you'll just end up dropping the point just to bring up another point? yea, convenient for you at your chair to say "this evidence is not good enough, bring me more! and bring me some tea!" the simple fact is the evidence shows exactly what i've been saying. i even picked a game that DA was clearly handicapped by being stuck with freaking steptoe and it's not good enough for you?
face it. DA improved in two key areas that everyone keeps knocking him for. i don't care if you are one of those people who would bet their house that quinn'll pan out. if you are, fine but at least own up to it. all you're doing is going out of your way to hate on a player who doesn't deserve it, just because he stands in the way of another player.
simple fact: he improved on his decision making, cut down on the ints, and improved in the touch passes. as a player, you can't ask for more than just improvement from what he was when he joined your team. if you refuse to acknowledge improvement, you'll never like the player, fine. just admit it then and we can be done because you're wasting my time, even if i'm on vacation.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,367 |
Quote:
. i don't care if you are one of those people who would bet their house that quinn'll pan out. if you are, fine but at least own up to it. all you're doing is going out of your way to hate on a player who doesn't deserve it, just because he stands in the way of another player.
You always have to fall back on this B.S. You do it with everyone eventually. You simply cannot handle the fact that many people do not have the slightest faith in Anderson. You can't stand that we've watched him with our own eyes and witnessed his ineptness. It HAS to be because we are ALL in love with Quinn. It's ridiculous. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
You are totally funny..DA was relegated to micro managing the offense..he wasn't going downfield as much and he still hasn't improved in his short game.
It was obvious DA was regressing..dude hasn't changed much from his college game..
And if he was ALL THAT..Rac would have never said he put Quinn in to give the offense a s p a r k ...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
i'm all for discussion on any player. it's why i'm on this board. i came to this board from the other one because it got so rediculous in player favoritism that you couldn't have a logical conversation. if you truly feel that DA is terrible and he can't get better and it isn't at all because we have a "chosen one" on the roster as well, that's fine but if you're relying on discounting my support by questioning its quantity, that's pretty dumb. i showed evidence from the get go that supported what i said. find proof to prove me wrong, otherwise admit the real agenda. it's just that simple.
and i don't do it with everyone but i think we can list a number of posters here who clearly believe that quinn is the answer, who refuse to believe that he could be a bust. i don't think attack dawg is one of them but that's just because i don't remember much of his earlier posts. you can call it bs all you want but if you deny that happens, even on this forum of all forums, you're lying to yourself.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
I think he was looking at something different, attempting to bring together an offense and give players on the field a different taste. I know Winslow loved it. lol. I think he got threw to the most in the Denver game than any all year. LOL.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
how am i funny? is it that you have no proof to support your point that now you're just giving little quips? DA was forced into short throws because that's how teams planned for him. how is that only micromanagin and still haven't improved? he clearly improved in the areas i showed you and it culminated in the only REAL team victory against the giants. he went on to complete short throws and didn't throw ints. had he played against the broncos, i'm sure he would've done well too because, like i pointed out earlier, edwards only plays on monday night. or that he put DA back in to provide the same "s p a r k"? and i don't see you denying what i'm accusing you of. if i'm wrong, please correct me because i don't wnat to have the wrong impression of a poster but that's what i'm getting from your posts. and thanks hewdawg for the posts, at least you're trying to see both sides. that we agree is just a bonus 
Last edited by dong; 12/30/08 05:01 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Theres nothing I need to show..stats certainly aren't in DA's favor.. All you gotta do is say..the offense clicked under him..we scored at will.. he hit his recievers (regardless if they dropped it)..the offense was efficient.. Was it all of those things? I didn't read whatever you're accusing me of..and I really don't care We're talking bout DA..he's not a franchise QB..he's easy to defend..take his long throws away..he implodes..he can't consistantly DO ANYTHING.. Phil was worried about DA going to the Cowboys, then they would use him as bait to the Rats to move up..I woulda welcomed that move..because Flacco was better than DA was..
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 12/30/08 05:08 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
why is it that i needed to show the plays then? then when i did it, you disregard it? here's my answer your questions so you can think of another angle to take in your argument against DA. the offense DID click when he played. it was clear in the offseason articles that said the o-line loved him because he got rid of the ball, the receivers loved him because he gave them chances to make plays, and the backs loved him because the defense had to back off to respect the pass so they had more room to pass. now, in 08, the offense was in shambles but that was not in the fault of DA. look at what happened. stallworth gashes BE, he misses three weeks. DA suffers from a concussion by the giants who thought a preseason game was a regular season game, so he misses two weeks. we start the season with syndric steptoe as our no. 2 receiver AT THE LAST POSSIBLE MINUTE, when the gameplan was all about stallworth. BE drops every pass laid exactly in his hands in stride all season (another proof that DA CAN HIT HIS RECEIVERS IN STRIDE). let me ask you this: who would've succeeded in this situation? we did score at will when the TEAM played. meaning, the receivers, the runningbacks, and the line did their jobs. we were efficient and did not turn the ball over in 170 passing attempts. things were on the up. what else do you got? why can't you just man up and say "look, i disagree but i see your point. maybe, MAYBE, DA improved and if that's good enough for you, fine but i don't think he improved quick enough" Quote:
Phil was worried about DA going to the Cowboys, then they would use him as bait to the Rats to move up..I woulda welcomed that move..because Flacco was better than DA was..
that's wrong. it was the potential deal with miami, but that whole first part is irrelevant.
finally, flacco? DA clone but you know what flacco had? a run game and a top defense. and who else? cam cameron. you know, the guy chud learned from. THE big chud. i told everyone i was worried when they signed the guy up and turned out i was on th emoney there.
Last edited by dong; 12/30/08 05:13 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
I would have to say that there are few games where we executed all of the things you listed under both DA and Quinn. Quinn was 1 for 3 and DA was 3 for 8. I am counting the 2nd Baltimore game as a good game despite the last INT because the defense clearly lost that one and there were factors other than DA that lost that one.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Not talking about Quinn ..this is DA..from 07 to 08..did the offense under him perform efficently ?
Did he become the quality QB the FO wanted him to be?
Or is he a huge ?
And this is boring because the book is out on him..there's no need to debate anything..he's not a quality QB.
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 12/30/08 05:16 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
no need to debate? sheesh. and look up, i already addressed all of your points. just give it up. just because you share the popular opinion doesn't make you right. we all loved savage and look up that turned out.
at least some of us are willing to keep our eyes and our minds open. and if you didn't see, i accused you of being an unconditional quinn lover. the ball is in your court because it really reads that way here. i may look like a DA lover but i'm saying i want both to pan out. i'm speaking out because i think DA got a terrible shot here by the fans. frankly, most cleveland fans don't deserve DA or even the 07 season.
Last edited by dong; 12/30/08 05:25 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
No it didn't, but is that his fault or lack of execution by the people around him. If people other than the QB are not performing efficiently, the guy under center suffers. Stats can't show you that. Watching the game will. How many drive killers and potential TD's did BE or KW drop? How many plays were called back because of continuous pass interference calls by KW? That will kill any QB's confidence including the Favres, Mannings, and Brees. I'm sorry but I have to feel bad for the stress that DA had perform under this whole season that wasn't brought on by himself. If DA was shipped out last year and Quinn had these problems, we'd either call it for what it is: a lack of execution by the people around him or call it inexperience (which DA still has at the ripe old age of 25). This town over the dext couple years will be more accepting of Quinns mistakes and call it "development". That is what upsets me around here. It's not that I don't like Quinn; I hope he excells for the sake of finding a fanchise QB and he was good out of college.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,445
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,445 |
Dude...Take a Pill... And pull that fork outta your ass while you're at it... I know...I know...Stay out of it...OK...Big DA-ddy... 
Go Browns!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659
Poser
|
|
Poser
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,659 |
OK, I don't feel well and am laying on the couch, so I looked this up to put this to rest. DA's stats for the season breakdown like this as far as completion percentages:
1-10 yards: 54.2%
11-20 yards: 37.5%
21-30 yards: 30.8%
31-40 yards 20%
40+yards: 20%
Now, let's look at an average NFL QB for an example:
1-10 yards: 70.2%
11-20 yards: 46.1%
21-30 yards:28.6%
32-40 yards:26.7%
40+ yards:33.3%
Now, that is the EIGHTEENTH ranked QB. Those numbers aren't even close.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Let me reply to both of you. I don't need stats..what happens on the field is stat enough for me..and even the stats show how ineffective DA is in his starting role. I'm not into posting anything such as completion %'s because I did that last year to show how he was regressing once DC's schemed to his strengths. FWIW..his rate was something like 50.2 ..wow thats impressive This year..the only game he tore up was the Giants game..
Last edited by Attack Dawg; 12/30/08 05:35 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
those aren't pretty, i agree. i'd cite the drops but not because of the percentages. the drops hurt DA, not in the numbers, but because we know he's a hot passer. when he's on, he's on. how does he get hot? by making completions. if your receivers drop a sure td or a huge 3rd down grab, that's really deflating.
further, like i said, syndric steptoe. steptoe barely commanded one-on-one coverage. he got one pass at most in the majority of the games. combine that with the in and out of winslow for various ailments, and the dropping of edwards, and who was a legit target for DA? like i said earlier, who would succeed in this situation?
i mean, look at brady, manning, and warner. who do they have? welker/moss, harrison/wayne/clark (though harrison fell off this year), and boldin/fitz. the difference is they consistently performed at elite levels. who did DA have? steptoe/edwards and occasionally stallworth/winslow. come on.
Last edited by dong; 12/30/08 05:39 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,313
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,313 |
Coach won't the 16th ranked QB be the average  :chain--------pullingggg.. nordawg
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
And that Giants game is the only game where everyone on the offense performed to potential. We didn't see that untill we played one of the worst defenses in the league in Denver, a team we were expected to do well against.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
LOL, you don't need stats? your first post in this thread: Quote:
Fact is during the second half of the season his ratings/completion % TD's went south...
and even in the same post, you say:
Quote:
FWIW..his rate was something like 50.2 ..wow thats impressive
hey guess what, that's a stat.
so what do you need? the play on the field? like the plays i cited that you disregard? forgive me for going for the jugular but you're sticking your neck out here. hypocrite.
like i said, if you're just a quinn guy, just admit it so i can save my time on someone with an open mind.
Last edited by dong; 12/30/08 05:40 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160 |
Yawn..think what you want..I know what the deal is..DA is the least of my worries..there are bigger fish to deep fry than him..
Once this whole FO mess is sorted out..we'll see what happens to the kid .
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,495
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,495 |
Quote:
that's pretty dumb.
That's what I get out of your posts on here as well!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,692 |
dong, you won't win this one  I see what you are saying and agree with some of it. Quinn is by no means a lost cause and can have potential. The problem is we have 2 young quarterbacks and an obvious lack of guidance for both. After seeing Dorsey in there, I'm embarrassed that we used him to mentor these two. I know I would listen to someone that can back up his talk on the field before I would KD.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044
Dawg Talker
|
|
OP
Dawg Talker
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,044 |
ohhh so now you're deflecting the problem? "yawn"? as in "i know i'm wrong but i'm going to try to downplay this whole thing because i need to act nonchalant"?
least of your worries? so you wouldn't be so insecure as to suggest a qb battle, provided the $5 million is worked out?
bigger fish to fry than him? maybe because you lost the battle. sad.
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum new england (weiss, cassell, etc)
and if it says anything about
quinn
|
|
