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One problem with that. Mangini is a defensive guy.
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I think that is a very possible situation. Why else would Lerner still be allowing RAC to hang on saying that he will talk with the new HC about accepting another position with the team.
It may very well be that Pioli is still close with RAC and Lerner appreciates that such a combo could be a formidable coaching staff (even if RAC was over his head as HC).
I'm not sure I'm sold on McDaniels as HC or RAC staying on, but it's at least interesting to say the least.
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Ok,, then hire Mangini as the HC, RAC as the DC and give McDaniels the Asst HC and OC title...
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Even though you laughed at the end, that's far more practical than the current scenario many are espousing IMO
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Throw Nolan in there somewhere..make McGinest the LB coach.
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When are you going to learn Pit... I laugh at everything.... If you ever met me you would know,, the thing I like best is to be amused.... Figureing that out, well, it amused me... get it? LOL
But yeah, if Pioli came here and we ended up with Mangini as HC, McDaniels and Asst HC and OC and RAC as DC.... I think there is little to no doubt, that's a staff that knows how to get things done.. No question about it.
I just have my doubts that we could get McDaniels... the other things,, well, they could happen.. Mangini and RAC I think would work together fine.
Don't know however if Mangini and Pioli have a strained relationship over the Spygate thing... just not sure about that at all.
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McGinest said he isn't retiring and if he does, I believe he said he wants to try Hollywood first.
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He ain't coming back here..
Bah, it was a television job...
Few players will have a more seamless transition into retirement than McGinest, whose portfolio of off-the-field endeavors is almost as impressive as his accomplishments on it. He is the CEO of 55 Entertainment, a "multifaceted entertainment company" which encompasses his charitable work, event planning and record label, 55 Records, which has a production deal with A&M/Interscope. He's a consultant with Premier Sports Management, where McGinest tries to "talk to cats and put them on the right road," a partner in Signature Collectibles, a sports memorabilia company where "we're trying to give players 50-50 memorabilia deals instead of 85-15," and has a franchise agreement to open three WingStop restaurants in Southern California.
"I'm happy to say that I've been involved in a lot of things and have kept myself busy," says McGinest, whose past experience as a commentator on The NFL Network and ESPN will likely land him a television gig as well when he retires. "I've tried to do a lot of little things and also tried to give back and create opportunities for other people in my community to do good."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/arash_markazi/05/06/willie.mcginest/
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One problem with that as well. McDaniels isn't allowed to leave his current team unless it is as a Head Coach since he is a Coordinator. It is the same for Assistant Head Coaches. Assistant Head Coach is a title for position coaches to assure that they can't leave for a Coordinator job.
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To me it looks like if Pioli is GM and that means McDaniels is HC. Package deal. Means would be a team with a GM with no GM experience an HC with no HC experience. Sound familiar? I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just saying...
If this is the case, maybe RAC staying on as DC is not impossible. Not sure if this is good or bad either, but my first reaction is him being "THAT" close to the HC rung on the ladder is a bit "iffy". I'm just saying...
All I know who ever is brought in has to build the team like the Stillers and Ratbirds. Defense 1st. Run second. QB who doesn't throw the ball to the other team.
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So...not like the Steelers?
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I would not mind McDaniels as HC, just give me a DC(Nolan) tha attacks. I do not want a vanilla D that we had the las four.
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Unless I"m wrong (and I could be) McDaniels is an OC... it would be a step up to Asst HC and OC.. so we could take him.....
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I think I'm rather tired of the NE Tree.... I know it's unreasonable to hold that against Pioli.. I realize he could very well be the real deal.. '
Are you tired of the NE/Belichick tree in Cleveland (RAC, McGinest, Washington), or in the NFL/college (RAC, Mangini, Weis, Saban, and Ferentz)?
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Unless I"m wrong (and I could be) McDaniels is an OC... it would be a step up to Asst HC and OC.. so we could take him.....
He is the OC, now. Becoming Ass't HC would be a "promotion", so Cleveland could hire him into that title, but I don't see Pioli doing that to New England without their blessing.
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Willie McG has nothing to do with my thinking on the NE Tree.. My thinking is that Belichick runs the show.. all decisions go through him.. it doens't appear that anyone else makes any decisions at a high level. That means that a VP of Personnel might find talent,, but Belichick says yes or know... What would that same guy do if Belichick wasn't there to make that final choice. Same with a DC or OC.. The DC calls for something or suggests something,, Belichick overrides him and the play works.. See what I'm getting at. Take Wiess,, he was a pretty darn good OC... or was he? He goes to ND and let's be honest here.. he's not had much success there. RAC was a pretty good DC... or was he? well, yeah he was. He was here before he went to NE and he did a decent job with almost no talent in 2000 with the Browns.. But under Belichick, he had amazing success. Mangini may be the lone exception. He actually did a decent job for the Jets.. One bad year and two decent years out of three.. One playoff appearance on top of that. Not horrible... Ferentz and Saban... both successful college coaches,, Saban tries the pros and flops.. THere is way more evidence against former NE guys than there is for NE guys that were under Belichick. I hope that clears up my thinking for ya.. 
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j/c has anybody even looked at their last 3 drafts?  More and more I get the feeling that Pioli is the GM version of Cowher....over-rated and over-hyped....in NE it´s 90% Belly...any coach or player who left his wing crapped the bed. Belly gets the most out of poor talent....their lack of depth because of Piolis very poor drafts from 2006-2008 was the main reason their defense was so bad this season.... also, I noticed he tends to draft and overdraft for need...maybe it was a luxury and he swung for HRs considering their roster...but a good GM would load up the depth and talent base on aging positions I just do not have a good feeling about this....he does not seem to be above average at drafting....1 thing I like is the fact that he trades down or away for value in upcomind drafts (anti-Savage)....something we have not seen the Browns do maybe he is able to adjust to our problems and proves me wrong...I really hope so, it´s a whole different job being a GM here with our roster and no SB-ring luring FAs
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When are you going to learn Pit... I laugh at everything.... If you ever met me you would know,, the thing I like best is to be amused.... Figureing that out, well, it amused me... get it? LOL
I just wasn't sure if you meant it jokingly or were serious. But you do seem very easy going.
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I just have my doubts that we could get McDaniels... the other things,, well, they could happen.. Mangini and RAC I think would work together fine.
I think Mangini will have other options rather than take a back seat to a rookie HC. I wouldn't do it if I were him. Not after his stint with the Jets. I doubt Favre was his idea.
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Don't know however if Mangini and Pioli have a strained relationship over the Spygate thing... just not sure about that at all.
Which is quite an interesting question. Does the fact that Pioli is willing to entertain the idea of leaving NE mean that he faults Billickeck for being a cheater and staining his rep? Or does he hold a grudge against Mangini for pointing it out?
I guess we'll see here soon enough possibly.
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I hear your caution. And I also find that Savage is part of the Belichick tree.  On the other hand, Pioli has been with Belichick since 1992 and is the closest branch on the tree - that's gotta mean something. Pioli is also part of the Parcells tree, being married to Parcell's daughter.
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I think Mangini will have other options rather than take a back seat to a rookie HC. I wouldn't do it if I were him. Not after his stint with the Jets. I doubt Favre was his idea.
In my scenario, Mangini would be the HC and McDaniels would be the Asst HC and OC.. So Mangine wouldn't be taking a back seat to a rookie HC...
I don't think McDaniels would be interested. My bet is he'd stay put in NE unless he gets the job of HC somewhere... And I think he's likely to get just that soon enough.
Oh,, and I agree, I doubt Favre was Manginis idea. To me that was a decision at the highest levels of the franchise and was made to hype the season... Just a guess however.
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Which is quite an interesting question. Does the fact that Pioli is willing to entertain the idea of leaving NE mean that he faults Billickeck for being a cheater and staining his rep? Or does he hold a grudge against Mangini for pointing it out?
Nobody but Pioli and Mangini know that..
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I'm not sure that's really true. Look, the odds are stacked against most new HCs having success.. why? Because good teams aren't usually looking for new coaches.
I also wouldn't say that Saban flopped in the NFL.. I just think he found out that he really prefers college football and when the Alabama opportunity opened up, he took it. In just his second year the Dolphins had the #4 ranked defense in the NFL.. they were just using guys like Frerotte and Harrington to run the offense.. Given a couple more years and I think Saban would have been just fine in the NFL.
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I'm not sure that's really true.
It's my opinion based on how each has done after leaving the Belichick world.
Maybe some folks would think that 9-7 and 6-10 is successful in the NFL,, If that's the belief, then yeah, Saban did ok I guess.
Mangini was better and got fired yesterday.... I guess it's more a point of view.
Maybe with more time he'd have been successful,, don't know.. Maybe with more time, RAC would have been successful.. Don't know that either.
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In my scenario, Mangini would be the HC and McDaniels would be the Asst HC and OC.. So Mangine wouldn't be taking a back seat to a rookie HC...
I should have been a little clearer. I've read where many people ( not you ) have McDaniels as HC with Mangini and or RAC as DC. And I think your reasoning is far more sound than theirs in that regard.
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I feel the same way. And I see him as yet another fly in the ointment here rather than a viable solution. As I do with ANYBODY who would be a first time NFL HC here with our situation.
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Yes I agree. But it may play into how things do or don't work out if Pioli is our new GM. In all honesty, if Pioli demands a first time HC as part of the deal, I'd rather pass on him.
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Maybe some folks would think that 9-7 and 6-10 is successful in the NFL,, If that's the belief, then yeah, Saban did ok I guess.
It's generally considered acceptable in your first year or two when the team you inherited has been that bad or worse for a number of years.
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You never know.. a lot of things have to come together for a coach to have success coming to a team that hasn't had success in a while.. you need to make smart hires in the OC/DC and position spots, you need a GM to make some good FA moves, you need draft selections to work out with very little margin for error, you need your key players to stay healthy... What would we be saying about Atlanta's coach right now if Matt Ryan had gone down in week 4? Would we be holding him up as a great success story? Probably not.
I think it sort of cursed RAC to win 10 games last year against a very weak schedule. In hindsight we would have been better off winning 8 games and going into this year with much less hype.. not much you can do about the plethora of injuries we suffered this year though... I think the wheels just started falling off this year in week 1 and nobody ever got them back on... still have no idea in hell what happened against the Giants... 
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More and more I get the feeling that Pioli is the GM version of Cowher....over-rated and over-hyped....in NE it´s 90% Belly...any coach or player who left his wing crapped the bed. Belly gets the most out of poor talent....their lack of depth because of Piolis very poor drafts from 2006-2008 was the main reason their defense was so bad this season...
Here's the problem... if not Pioli, then who? Pioli has the best pedigree of all available NFL GM candidates by a long shot. So what if Belichick is the final say in New England... you can't say that Pioli had nothing to do with it. Regardless of any second guessing you're going to be doing, there's no way you can provide a reasonable alternative that's more qualified than Pioli.
Also, pointing out the last 3 years of draft picks isn't fair to the man because you're glossing over the years of great drafting before that. Even still, Meriweather and Mayo are very solid starters, Maroney has been hampered only by injuries after a great rookie year and you can't really judge a draft class after a year or two.
He has a very impressive track record. I for one think Pioli is the best option in the league right now and I'd be thrilled to land him.
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I think it could be said that RAC and Savage inherited a worse situation,, and yet, the concencus on here was that he sucked and needed replaced...
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No argument from me on that....
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for reference:
Pats drafts 2000-2008:
2008 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Jerod Mayo OLB Tennessee
2 62 Terrence Wheatley CB Colorado
3 78 Shawn Crable OLB Michigan
3 94 Kevin O'Connell QB San Diego State
4 129 Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
5 153 Matt Slater WR UCLA
6 197 Bo Ruud LB Nebraska
2007 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
4 127 Kareem Brown DT Miami (Fla.)
5 171 Clint Oldenburg T Colorado State
6 180 Justin Rogers LB Southern Methodist
6 202 Mike Richardson DB Notre Dame
6 208 Justise Hairston RB Central Connecticut State
6 209 Corey Hilliard OT Oklahoma State
7 211 Oscar Lua LB USC
7 247 Mike Elgin G Iowa
2006 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2 36 Chad Jackson WR Florida
3 86 David Thomas TE Texas
4 106 Garrett Mills RB Tulsa
4 118 Stephen Gostkowski K Memphis
5 136 Ryan O'Callaghan T California
6 191 Jeremy Mincey LB Florida
6 205 Dan Stevenson G Notre Dame
6 206 Le Kevin Smith DT Nebraska
7 229 Willie Andrews CB Baylor
2005 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
3 84 Ellis Hobbs CB Iowa State
3 100 Nick Kaczur T Toledo
4 133 James Sanders SAF Fresno State
5 170 Ryan Claridge LB Nevada-Las Vegas
7 230 Matt Cassel QB USC
7 255 Andy Stokes TE William Penn
2004 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (Fla.)
1 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State
3 95 Guss Scott SAF Florida
4 113 Dexter Reid SAF North Carolina
4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State
7 233 Christian Morton CB Illinois
2003 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
2 36 Eugene Wilson FS Illinois
2 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
4 117 Dan Klecko DT Temple
4 120 Asante Samuel CB Central Florida
5 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College
6 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech
7 234 Spencer Nead TE Brigham Young
7 239 Tully Banta-Cain LB California
7 243 Ethan Kelley NT Baylor
2002 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado
2 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville
4 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State
4 126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State
7 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia
7 253 David Givens WR Notre Dame
2001 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2 48 Matt Light T Purdue
3 86 Brock Williams CB Notre Dame
4 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida
4 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame
5 163 Hakim Akbar DB Washington
6 180 Arther Love TE South Carolina State
6 200 Leonard Myers CB Miami (Fla.)
7 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young
7 239 T.J. Turner LB Michigan State
2000 - New England Patriots
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 46 Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
3 76 J.R. Redmond RB Arizona State
4 127 Greg Randall T Michigan State
5 141 Dave Stachelski TE Boise State
5 161 Jeff Marriott -- Missouri
6 187 Antwan Harris CB Virginia
6 199 Tom Brady QB Michigan
6 201 David Nugent DT Purdue
7 226 Casey Tisdale -- New Mexico
7 239 Patrick Pass RB Georgia
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I would be interested in Mangini because of this point. This is a guy whose QB basically imploded over the last 5 weeks of the season, and who was still in the hunt for the playoffs, in a division where the worst team went 7-9. They went 4-2 in this division. It's not like San Diego, who made the playoffs by virtue of their 8-8 record being better than Denvers'. It's not like the AFC North, where divisional foes had the Browns and Bengals to beat up on. The only other division with such competitive depth was the NFC South, where the last place team (New Orleans) ended the year at 8-8. I think that Mangini got a pretty raw deal in New York .... and can easily see him being successful elsewhere.
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I think that was due in large part to some of his head scratching in-game decisions.. some of which I still don't understand. That and the inconsistency... If his in-game coaching decisions were more sound and if this team played remotely consistent, I think he could have survived this year given the injuries and all of the other crap swirling around this team... I think his low-key managerial style works great when things are good or improving, but when things start to fall apart, you need somebody that can step in and get control.. and he just was unable to do that.
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Besides Mangini who's out there...Realistically out there...Cause we can forget about Holmgren...He's taking a year off without doubt IMO...And Marty's just too damn old...IMO again...
Gruden maybe if he's axed???
And where do u find an experienced coordinator???...Not likely to grab a lateral move one like Ryan/Schwartz/Spags...Good coordinators almost always go to HC from there...
Unless it's Mangini, we're looking at a DC/OC in a Spags/Schwartz/Mcdaniels type...
Even MORE than the HC...We need to have that HC bring in someone he KNOWS CAN RUN THE D HE'S RUN PRIOR...
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All you need to look at is the quality of the roster..it's very solid..they have aging players..they lost their all-pro QB and still finished 11-5..
They're weak at corner, where a lot of teams are.
How many times in the past 5-10 years have they contended???
Can you find a way to dispute that success?
Can the Browns mirror that?
No.
They even had a pick taken away for spygate and they still had a good draft..
Their 08 draft ...
1 Jerod Mayo 10 LB Tennessee Acquired from the New Orleans Saints on April 26, 2008 along with a third-round selected in the 2008 NFL Draft (78th overall) in exchange for a first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft (7th overall - DT Sedrick Ellis) and a fifth-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft (164th overall)
2 Terrence Wheatley 62 CB Colorado
3 Shawn Crable 78 LB Michigan
3 Kevin O'Connell 94 QB San Diego State
4 Jonathan Wilhite 129 CB Auburn
5 Matthew Slater 153 WR UCLA
6 Bo Ruud 197 LB Nebraska
Their 07 draft:
1 Brandon Meriweather 24 S Miami (Fla.)
4 Kareem Brown 127 DL Miami (Fla.)
5 Clint Oldenburg 171 T Colorado State Compensatory Pick.
6a Justin Rogers 180 LB Southern Methodist
6b Mike Richardson 202 CB Notre Dame
6c Justise Hairston 208 RB Central Connecticut Compensatory Pick.
6d Corey Hilliard 208 T Oklahoma State Compensatory Pick.
7 Oscar Lua 211 LB Southern California
7 Mike Elgin 247 G/C Iowa Compensatory Pick.
This seemed more like a draft for the back end of their roster.But you have to remember where they were selecting..
I don't find too much fault with how they have drafted..they've been smart and know how to garner picks..
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Which is quite an interesting question. Does the fact that Pioli is willing to entertain the idea of leaving NE mean that he faults Billickeck for being a cheater and staining his rep? Or does he hold a grudge against Mangini for pointing it out?
I guess we'll see here soon enough possibly.
We will find out shortly...
If we want Pioli...He's ours by the end of the week...Lerner won't let $$$ get in the way...
THEN???
If we even bring Mangini in that tells me Pioli has ZERO problem with him...
BTW...It would totally BLOW ME AWAY if Crennel comes back as DC...The ONLY possible reason would be he himself doesn't think he can cut it as a HC...Or he just doesn't want the headache of it...
BTW Part 2...I really DON'T want him as our DC...Never was impressed with NE's D...EVER...
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My ideal situation or close to ideal would be :
Pioli GM/Holmgren HC /Nolan DC...
Now me..I've liked the Pats D..they've been able to confuse quality QB's and and control the tempo of a lot games..
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I don't find too much fault with how they have drafted..they've been smart and know how to garner picks..
These ding dongs not impressed with any NE draft are nutso...
They've been WINNERS...For YEARS...That's really all that matters...And they haven't gone berzerk on FA's either...
And it's really not a matter of what Pioli does HIMSELF...It's a matter of what they've done TOGETHER...Hopefully he can bring that to Cleveland...Cause I bet he's our GM by the end of the week...THIS WEEK... 
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Pioli GM/Holmgren HC /Nolan DC...
That would be like a dream.
Holmgren is my first choice for HC. He would turn this ship around.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Not likely to grab a lateral move one like Ryan/Schwartz/Spags...Good coordinators almost always go to HC from there...
Yea, about the only way to do that is if you have a good coordinator working for a crappy HC that gets canned, then the coordinators become available and are willing to sign for the same position.. but you aren't likely to just steal one.
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And they haven't gone berzerk on FA's either...
There's the key..how many guys did they let walk who were all-stars, yet they didn't want to overpay to keep them?
And they still had great seasons..
It was bizzare for me to see this team having a winning record , yet always had a top pick in the draft??
Or multiple picks in several rounds?
This is what i thought Opie was going to do for us..
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I would be interested in Mangini because of this point.
This is a guy whose QB basically imploded over the last 5 weeks of the season, and who was still in the hunt for the playoffs, in a division where the worst team went 7-9. They went 4-2 in this division.
It's not like San Diego, who made the playoffs by virtue of their 8-8 record being better than Denvers'. It's not like the AFC North, where divisional foes had the Browns and Bengals to beat up on. The only other division with such competitive depth was the NFC South, where the last place team (New Orleans) ended the year at 8-8.
I think that Mangini got a pretty raw deal in New York .... and can easily see him being successful elsewhere.
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