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but isn't such a lateral move blockable by the pats? the only thing they can't block would be a move to promote him to hc.
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It would be a huge gamble... New England with or without Brady is going to be pretty good next year and the year after... He could come here and drop off the map for a couple years before he builds that offensive legacy of his own... heck the way things have been going, he might disappear forever... 
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but isn't such a lateral move blockable by the pats? the only thing they can't block would be a move to promote him to hc.
No, you add the "Asst. HC" title to his current OC title. Which sets it up in such a way that if he left here, the ONLY move would be to the HC position.
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no, i mean, can a OC, under contract, leave another team to be an OC even if we offered to make him an asst HC? i thought these contracts were structured such that, if say chud were to leave, he could only leave to be a hc, not to be an oc somewhere else.
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No he cannot. The assistant head coach idea would not work.
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i don't know much about schwartz but what i do know is i would have no problem with being a 4-3 defense. just the thought of corey williams and shaun rodgers next to each other as DTs makes me drool. i also don't believe that we HAVE to be a 3-4 since savage drafted for versatility, almost as if he were drafting for the next HC all along. that said, i'm still hoping for pioli/mcdaniels with RAC as the dc 
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It would be a huge gamble... New England with or without Brady is going to be pretty good next year and the year after...
That's debateable. With Pioli gone? And remember, they haven't won a SB since RAC left. And will he ever be known as a "super OC" since he inherrited such a plethera of talent coming into NE?
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He could come here and drop off the map for a couple years before he builds that offensive legacy of his own... heck the way things have been going, he might disappear forever...
You could be right. But with Pioli,RAC and Mangini here, he may see it as the golden oppertunity to build one helluva reputation for himself. Where else could he go working with people he's comfortable with and increase his value? One never knows and it could go either way.
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i don't know much about schwartz but what i do know is i would have no problem with being a 4-3 defense. just the thought of corey williams and shaun rodgers next to each other as DTs makes me drool.
i also don't believe that we HAVE to be a 3-4 since savage drafted for versatility, almost as if he were drafting for the next HC all along.
that said, i'm still hoping for pioli/mcdaniels with RAC as the dc
I think we lack the same position LB to be proficient in either formation.
Can you argue with a guy who's coached the Ratbirds LB's?
His career marks with his defenses are pretty nice looking if you ask me!
The guy wants to be here...it's not going to be a money thing, he..wants..
to..be..here!!! How many guys are thinking that instead of, "well, at least it's a pro HC gig".
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Actually, the asst HC title would make it possible. That is a promotion, not a lateral move. That doesn't mean he'd take it, just that it would be possible.
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I WANT TO BE HERE! Does that mean I get the job?  Hopefully you can see what I'm saying......
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I WANT TO BE HERE!
Does that mean I get the job?
Hopefully you can see what I'm saying......
Yeah, but you can't coach! 
Listen, his D's get off the field on third down..hopefully you know what I'm saying!
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"Yeah, we are hoping something happens with the GM position today.. I think we all know that a minority HC candidate needs to be interviewed before a decision is announced on a new HC."
And yet isn't it odd that we have scheduled one interview yet with a minority...Mangini...yes, Cowher yes, Wouldn't common sense tell us to get a minority interview in there somewhere???
I don't know the letter of the law but I think that it is possible for a team who is looking to replace a minority Head coach would be exempt from the Rooney rule. Again it don't know the Rule from squadoosh and the one that was pasted does not look complete just some verbage and basic explanation of the General rule.
I'd like to read, you know...section 8 article 5 type of stuff.
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with all the articles posted everywhere, dunno if this was or not but it could be related to the pioli news: Quote:
The Orange and Brown Report's John Taylor has learned this afternoon that the Cleveland Browns have asked for and received permission to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels for their vacant head-coaching position. There is no word yet when the interview will take place.
The Browns pursuit of McDaniels is not a surprise, as he has often been mentioned alongside front office possibility Scott Pioli as a potential target for the Browns head coaching job. Cleveland also has interviews scheduled with ex-Jets head coach Eric Mangini, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz.
Thos interviews are expected to take place between today and Saturday.
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I like Josh McDaniel just fine.
RAC as DC? You'd think he'd have had more of an impression on our D this year if he was a such a guru...or did he?
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Listen, his D's get off the field on third down..hopefully you know what I'm saying!
So "did" RAC's.
So what evidence can you provide that things will work out any differently?
And BTW- Billick's D was getting off the field too, and he was considered an O guy.
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I'm sure there will be a minority interview before any announcement. Letter of the law, not spirit of the law. 
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Are all interviews publicized ? Could they have interviewed a minority and not mentioned it to the media because it's not that newsworthy ?
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lerner: "hey mel tucker, come here a sec." tucker: "yes sir" lerner: "do you want a shot at being our hc or would you rather get a promise that you stay as the secondary coach under crennel's defense?" tucker: "secondary coach, no question." lerner: "thanks. deb, get pioli and mcdaniels on the phone!" done.
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I would think it would be newsworthy because of the intense scrutiny of the Roonety rule. I have heard a couple of names dropped. Perry Fewell, Buffalo defensive coordinator, and Greg Blache, Washington defensive coordinator, are potential minority candidates.
But nothing official.
But yes, I'd say when it happens, Randy will certainly make it public due to NFL scrutiny IMO
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How's anyobody going to produce any evidence that any of these guys can change anything? Whew!...
Did you read the stats I posted...Schwartz rushing defense was very good...was ours? He's a former LB coacing LB's and our weakest D spot is....? Oh yeah, LB!!
IF RAC takes over things will magically change because he's not HC but just a DC?
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No, it will be because Pioli will get the right guys to fit RAC's scheme. From my understanding, that was a huge divide between RAC and Savage. If I give you a Volvo to run the Daytona 500 with, how successfull would that be?
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No, it will be because Pioli will get the right guys to fit RAC's scheme.
From my understanding, that was a huge divide between RAC and Savage.
If I give you a Volvo to run the Daytona 500 with, how successfull would that be?
I'm fairly certain I could get by the Petty cars but after that...
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 they should do that just to mix up them races once and a while, would make it more entertaining. Im suprised we havnt heard anything on Pioli....maybe he wasnt as interested as we all had thought/hoped he was 
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Yeah, but I could do that on a scooter!
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I would think it would be newsworthy because of the intense scrutiny of the Roonety rule. I have heard a couple of names dropped. Perry Fewell, Buffalo defensive coordinator, and Greg Blache, Washington defensive coordinator, are potential minority candidates.
But nothing official.
But yes, I'd say when it happens, Randy will certainly make it public due to NFL scrutiny IMO
I could be mistaken but i thought i read somewhere that the DC for Minn (Leslie Fraser ?) was to interveiw.
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I've heard negotiations are ongoing and could last through tomorrow. Which IMO is a good sign. Sounds like it's all in the details stage now IMO But I doubt we'll hear anything "official" until Thursday or Friday. But hey, that's just a hunch.
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He probably agreed to interviews with other teams as well, and wants a chance to evaluate all the offers on the table.
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yeah the excitement factor is taking over for me.....waiting is the hardest part! I just hope he comes in and makes this team wake up and play. the talent is here and with a couple more peices we should be right up there with the elite teams in the nfl
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lerner: "hey mel tucker, come here a sec."
tucker: "yes sir"
lerner: "do you want a shot at being our hc or would you rather get a promise that you stay as the secondary coach under crennel's defense?"
tucker: "secondary coach, no question."
lerner: "thanks. deb, get pioli and mcdaniels on the phone!"
done.
what did i say????
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The Cleveland Browns will interview current defensive coordinator Mel Tucker for their head coaching vacancy, possibly within the next couple of days, a league source told the Plain Dealer this evening.
Tucker, 36, took over as Browns defensive coordinator this season after Todd Grantham was let go following last season. Tucker, a Cleveland native, has been with the Browns four seasons, including his first three as defensive backs coach.
The Browns finished 26th in defense under Tucker, but 16th with 21.9 points allowed per game. They did so despite having young cornerbacks; key players lost for the season such Antwan Peek, Robaire Smith and Daven Holly; and the lack of a consistent pass rusher.
Tucker has long been viewed as an up-and-coming talent in the NFL. Before joining the Browns, he served as defensive backs coach and co-defensive coordinator of the Ohio State Buckeyes under Jim Tressel.
The Browns' short list of candidates includes fired Jets coach Eric Mangini, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, and fired Broncos coach Mike Shanahan.
Mel Tucker's bio page on the Browns' website.
For earlier breaking news from today and updates on the Browns' coaching and GM searches, go to cleveland.com/browns.
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Nice work dong!  for once...
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I would welcome a minority as a HC again, I think minority head coaches are more respected by the players. Too bad Mike Shanahan is white.
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Yeah, TUCKER!
WHY DIDN'T WE ALL THINK OF THAT!
HOW COULD WE FORGET ABOUT TUCKER!
-THATS OUR GUY!
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I believe he would. I mean look at his current resume logicly...
Did NE make McDaniels? Or did McDaniels make NE?
Doesn't matter who made who... not really.. What matters is this. there is NO reason for him to move if not for a step up.. and a step up isn't Asst HC and OC.. The world pretty much knows that that is title only.. just to allow for what really is a lateral move. Has no meaning in the grand scheme of things.
No matter where he goes, if not as a HC, there will be a cloud over him.. Did Belichick make him good or did the the HC he works for now make him good... Or is he the REAL DEAL!
I gotta believe that he thinks he needs to stand alone. He gotta want that chance.. someone will give it to him.. If not this year, next. he's young. One more year in NE isn't going to hurt him at all.
Remember, there are 4 HC openings, two of which have young QB's and two that will need to get young QB's that need the type of mentoring that Brady and Cassell received from McDaniels.. nope,, NO WAY he moves for anything less than a HC job....
UNLESS,,, there is a rift between him and Belichick.. and there isn't any news about that floating around...
I dont' agree with you Pit... Not on this one anyway.
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Well it's about time we disagree about something! It's really quite simple. Does his loyalty lie cwith Pioli or Bellicheck? That my friend wil be the deciding factor IMO
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well... we got our minority coach.... What if Lerner hired him?  lol.
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That should take care of the "Rooney rule".
Now.. let's get down to business and get Pioli and Mangini.
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What if Lerner hired him? lol.
Don't even joke about that crap, man...
you had a good run Hank.
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hey,, if we work at it, we'll find a few things to disagree on ..I am 100% sure of it for instance: Quote:
It's really quite simple. Does his loyalty lie cwith Pioli or Bellicheck?
That my friend wil be the deciding factor IMO
Nope,, that I don't think plays into the mix.. Loyalty won't matter. If He is loyal to Pioli and Pioli offers him the Asst HC and OC job in Cleveland,, he's an idiot for accepting.
he's gotta know that he'll get a HC job now or next year.. he knows what he's got in NE in terms of his players. if he doesn't get a HC job now, then he's better staying there and not take a chance of taking the luster off his reputation by going with a team that has unknown problems and issues.
To me, it just makes sense.. no loyality involved.. IMO
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