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Oh yeah, and $$$ too.

We'll see.......................

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That should take care of the "Rooney rule".
Now.. let's get down to business and get Pioli and Mangini.

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Seems like a silly rule to me. I mean, I understand, minority coaches deserve a shot, but this is no way to make it happen.

I mean, probably 70 percent at least of the players are black, so there shouldn't be such a discrepancy, but teams interview guys just because they're black with no intention of hiring. This happens to those regular picks, Gregg Williams, Maurice Carthon, Terry Robiskie. At least i know we've/teams have used all three of those in the past. But none ever had a real chance

I'm checking this thread to see the announcement that Pioli is ours.....but I'm not seeing that and the day is just about gone.

You pretty much nailed it that if the scenario that some of us feel is going to happen, the Browns will definitely abide by the NFL rules.

I understand why the rule is in place but in situations it somewhat makes a mockery of it's own goal.

im sure they honestly want to see if he could take the reigns and become the next head coach


Im sure that this so called "interview" is going to be learner saying how would you like to be the head coach of our secondary this upcoming season

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Oh yeah, and $$$ too.

We'll see.......................

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well yea,, that too

Apparently genuis..I'd rather use another term to describe you..that 200 thousand $$$$$ and a bad rep is too huge a price tag for Lerner ..perhaps not you since logic isn't in your main course..
U honestly wanted him to boldly trounce the rules and hire a coach before they go through the correct process??
Your common sence is taking a hit..whats left of it..of course arguing about DA shattered that well before this

Just Clicking

Stepping over the rules,.,. especially this rule is not about the money.. 200k is nothing for Lerner if it gets him his man.. The problem is, by doing so, it would expose him as a person of less then stellar character.

The rule was voted on by the majority of the owners. it's a good rule. IMO anyway.

When the vote was completed, Lerner, like all owners, agreed to abide by it. that's exactly what they should do.

Having said that, Lerner has had two minority HC's in his short tenure. RAC and Robiske. Maybe it doesn't mean anything to anyone else, but to me it demonstrates that Lerner and the Browns Organization aren't racist. To me they have demonstrated that they are more intrested in hireing the best person for the job regardless of race or age.

I just wonder if there is an avenue to address that situation in the rules. if not, then he's gotta go through the motions.. its as simple as that.

I'm not a fan of the rooney rule. I may not be a minority, but as a woman, I don't want to be interviewed/hired/promoted for a job just because I'm female and they have quotas, they should only pick me because I'm good at what I do. The creme rises to the top, regardless of race or whatever and no self respecting owner is gonna ignore a super talented coach because he is black.. I think the Rooney Rule is from an era of outdated thinking. And Plus I would really hate to be the token black guy going for the interview knowing he never had a chance.

JMHO

But I guess that's neither here nor there since we have to live with it.

Just clicking.

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I'm checking this thread to see the announcement that Pioli is ours.....but I'm not seeing that and the day is just about gone.

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Maybe Pioli and Randy are going to go watch the big ball drop!

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I think Randy still has to interview Rich McKay (sp) of the Falcons.
Alot of reading here so I may have missed this already.

wow took you that long to write that? here's the simple fact, 200k is nothing to him. as far as whether or not he chooses to follow the rule, yea, that should be more important to him and i expect him to follow it. like i posted in the other thread, i expected him to just interview mel tucker to satisfy that and guess what? that's exactly what he's doing.

as far my common sense goes, it's my opinion. you may feel i'm wrong but you couldn't do anything to further your point, which, sadly was even the more popular one. i made logical counter points to each of your points and you had to piggy back on someone else's. at least i still have my self-respect. at least i'm big enough to keep other points in their respected threads and i don't hold the fact that you're an unconditional quinn lover against you in another thread that has nothing to do with QBs (something you still won't refute/accept even though i've accused you of it three times in the same thread, like i said, if it's the case, just own up to it so we can save our time). don't come here and try to knock my credibility/common sense by bringing up a topic that's unrelated. your opinion doesn't suddenly mean more than mine just because we disagree and you happen to side with the masses. i waited for your response on that thread before realizing you were abandoning it because you clearly had no actual reason to hate on DA other than you want quinn in, which is fine but don't hold it against me that i want more than just a 50% chance of finding a qb. i would expect you to be mature enough to stick to the topic of this thread, which relates to pioli, not DA.

j/c

Sorry if this was already posted

Patriots vice president Scott Pioli completed his interview with Browns owner Randy Lerner on Wednesday. Contrary to some reports, Lerner is expected to meet with Falcons president Rich McKay on Thursday and Browns director of player personnel T.J. McCreight on Friday.

Browns owner Randy Lerner, who has been accused of being out of the loop during a tumultuous 4-12 season, is doing all the face-to-face interviews with candidates for the team's general manager and head coach vacancies.

Lerner met with New England vice president Scott Pioli on Wednesday and is scheduled to interview Atlanta Falcons President Rich McKay Thursday.

Browns President Mike Keenan joined Lerner -- but did not sit in on the Pioli interview -- raising speculation that a deal was near.

Adam Schefter of NFL.com reported the Browns wanted an answer from Pioli before they left him. But that report was discounted by a source familiar with Lerner's process, who said, "I would be surprised" if Lerner did not hold off a contract offer until he interviewed McKay, as scheduled.

New England also has given Kansas City permission to interview Pioli for the Chiefs' general manager job.

Also, it was learned that the Browns formally will interview T.J. McCreight on Friday. McCreight was director of player personnel and was regarded as former general manager Phil Savage's right-hand man.

On the coaching front, Lerner already has met with fired Jets coach Eric Mangini and has scheduled interviews with Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Tennessee defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and, according to multiple reports, New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.

The surprise name in the mix now is Mike Shanahan, whose abrupt firing by the Denver Broncos has rocked the NFL.

The Browns, said the source, were seeking to make contact with Shanahan's representative to set up an interview.

"How can you not?" said the source.

Shanahan said at his farewell press conference in Denver that he intended to coach again.

"I can't give you a timeframe," he said. "I love the NFL, so I don't see getting out of it, but you just don't know."

Shanahan was the most successful coach in Denver Broncos history, winning back-to-back Super Bowl championships following the 1997 and '98 seasons.

He was the club's executive vice president of football operations during his 14-year reign, and his record in that realm was not as good as his coaching. It is not known if Lerner would entertain a dual role for Shanahan, or if Shanahan would want one.

The Broncos won only one playoff game in the past 10 years.

So far, the Browns have not interviewed an African-American coach. They need to interview at least one to comply with the NFL's "Rooney Rule." It appears that they will comply by formally interviewing defensive coordinator Mel Tucker for the position of head coach. That interview could take place over the weekend, said a source.

Shapiro weighs in: Indians GM Mark Shapiro has close ties to two of the Browns top two candidates: He's Mangini's brother-in-law and Pioli's close friend.

During a conference call Wednesday, Shapiro said, "I'm well aware of what's going on with Eric and Scott. They're important people in my life. I've got my hands full right now with the Indians and my family, but I'm a strong advocate of each guy. It would be special to have one or both of them in Cleveland."

Ferentz take: Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz responded to a report in the Boston Herald that he'd be Pioli's first choice for a head coach during his Outback Bowl press conference.

"(The NFL speculation) seems to be a drill right now," Ferentz said Wednesday. "So be it."

On Pioli, he said, "We've been great friends all the way through and I have tremendous respect for Scott as a football guy. ... I would just caution everybody don't try to predict what Scott's going to do either. He's got a great job and he's well aware of that."

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This article confirms my fear that Junior is still running this process and organization bass ackwards. The Pioli deal isn't in the bag (or any GM for that matter), but Junior is already interviewing HCs.

He's yet to seem to learn his lesson from last time.

At the same time, though, he has to make sure he has his bases covered. What if McKay and Pioli both turn him down? What if coaches start flying off the shelves? I think he's just doing his due diligence.

Don't assume that just because he's lined up interviews with guys who would likely be interviewed anyway that he's going to hire them without the GM.

What's he supposed to do, just wait around to get a GM, and THEN line up interviews? Yeah, because you always want to be third or fourth in line.

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hat's he supposed to do, just wait around to get a GM, and THEN line up interviews?

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Yes. Do you want another RAC/Opie situation? You have to let your GM hire someone who HE feels comfortable with, and shares the same vision and philosophies as himself. But, no let's get another mix match like we did this time, and we can blow the whole thing up again in 4 years. We ought to be good at it...........considering this will be the 5th regime change in 10 years.

The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Just cause he's interviewing HCs doesn't mean he intends to sign one first, before he hires a GM. I'm sure he's just doing preliminary interviews on HCs to get a feel for them so they're prepared with who to bring in for the second round of interviews after a GM is in place.

Agreed. He's gotta interview as many of these guys as possible and gauge their interest and what they expect and how they fit into his organization. Once he gets everyone interviewed then he present them to his GM and start wheeling and dealing and making offers. If there is no clear cut GM at that point then at least he has enough info to make a decision about a HC. He is in a really super tough position because every thing is so volatile at this point with all the teams headhunting everyone at once. Best bet is to interview everyone he likes as soon as possible and lure them in.

well i don't really think that is the case....

he will get his gm, and go from there....i'm sure rac and savage are alittle fresh in his mind, and he's not gonna make that same mistake...

we had less options last time....none of our first picks wanted the job, because the team sucked.....its alittle better now...

interviewing coaches does one simple thing....it lets them know the browns are interested...those coaches will then think twice before signing with another team right away....

if we don't contact a guy like mangini, then he might just sign with another team...then if our gm doesn't get to pick from a list with his name on it...

lerner is insuring that our new gm will have a larger pool to pick from...

we will have a gm shortly imo....then the gm will pick...no way learner does anything different...

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they should only pick me because I'm good at what I do.

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Hard to argue with that Eve,, but that's not the point of the rooney rule.

What we had was a situation that minorities weren't even given a chance to interview to demonstrate the ability they have. With this, they (minority candidates) get a chance to show thier stuff so to speak.

Besides, the Rooney rule doesn't say that anyone has to hire a minority.. it merely says that they have to fairly and honestly give one an interivew. what they do in that interview isn't governed at all.

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it merely says that they have to fairly and honestly give one an interivew.

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Actually .... all it says is that a minority candidate must be interviewed. It says nothing about being fair or honest about it.

Does anyone truly believe that Mel Tucker stands a snowball's chance of being the next Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns? He was convenient .... and willing to spend a few minutes on a zero chance proposition. Was that the intent? I don't believe so. Personally, I would find that rather demeaning.

I also don't like the fact ... for example ... that Mike Singletary was able to be promoted to interim head coach ... and then to head coach without an issue ..... but that if he'd been a white interim coach, the team would have had to interview at least 1 minority candidate. He could have done exactly the same jobs as Singletary .... with exactly the same fire .... and exactly the same leadership .... yet he would have been forced through a process which Singletary never had to go through.

Trying to create equality by mean of an unequal equation never works.

Tucker probably won't have much of a chance to be the Browns next head coach, but for him, atleast he will have the interview experience, so if that "true" opportunity ever did come... He would know a little more of what is being asked of him.....

He's still a candidate, and he still has a shot. A slight chance, but still...