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Whenever you have a total regime change, you have a roster purge. #338089 12/30/08 09:31 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 39,682 Tennessee B Ballpeen OP Legend
OP Ballpeen Legend B Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 39,682 Tennessee	Whenever you have a total regime change, you have a roster purge. The purge this time might not be as drastic as the last change where we turned over about 80& of the roster in 2 years, but you can expect to see 60% or more of this team changed over the nest few years. So, if you are thinking about joining the board and thinking of taking a name of one of the player, you might want to think again. Whatever you think you know about who is going to be on the team, or who is going to play, think again. On D....Rogers and maybe Jackson are the only players I see as locks to stick, and on O, you are looking at Thomas and Cribbs, and Dawson and Pontbriand as special teamers. Expect it. Last edited by Referee6; 12/31/08 01:04 PM. If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338090 12/30/08 09:37 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,044 socal D dong Dawg Talker
dong Dawg Talker D Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,044 socal	i'd add wright and mcdonald on defense. they might not be starting corners (i thought they both did pretty well last season given the pass rush) but they should be able to stay on, especially if rac stays. on offense, no way we don't keep edwards but winslow might be gone. quinn'll stay, maybe DA too. if quinn successfully lobbies for dorsey again, though, i'll go

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338091 12/30/08 09:39 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 17,438 Y'allywood E EveDawg Legend
EveDawg Legend E Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 17,438 Y'allywood	I think I'll just keep wearing my Bodden jersey, because he is already gone.

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338092 12/30/08 09:41 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,800 Ohio Fletch Dawg Talker
Fletch Dawg Talker Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,800 Ohio	Well hopefully the NFL Shop will let me return my Gradowski and Steptoe jersey's.

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338093 12/30/08 09:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,230 C Charlie Dawg Talker
Charlie Dawg Talker C Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,230	Also some players we have become comfortable with will be shown the door. Somebody we all like.

Re: One thing to remember EveDawg #338094 12/30/08 09:43 PM
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archbolddawg Legend A Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 30,826	Quote: I think I'll just keep wearing my Bodden jersey, because he is already gone. Anyone wonder why I asked my wife for a Clay Matthews jersey 2 years ago?

Re: One thing to remember archbolddawg #338095 12/30/08 09:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,800 Ohio Fletch Dawg Talker
Fletch Dawg Talker Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,800 Ohio	Got me another Matthews jersey this year as well, autographed mini helmet too, the Mrs hooked me up. god why can't we have more guys on our team like him, but as I tell the youngsters get you a Jim Brown jersey, we can go 0-16 and still nobody can say crap to ya since he IS the greatest ever to play.

Re: One thing to remember archbolddawg #338096 12/30/08 09:50 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: I think I'll just keep wearing my Bodden jersey, because he is already gone. Anyone wonder why I asked my wife for a Clay Matthews jersey 2 years ago? That's all I'm getting from now on... throwback jerseys of former players from when the Browns were actually the Browns... not these impostors we watch play now.

Re: One thing to remember Charlie #338097 12/30/08 09:57 PM
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Thebigbaddawg Hall of Famer T Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,563	Quote: Also some players we have become comfortable with will be shown the door. Somebody we all like. Probably Hank ,Tucker and Hieden. You could also add Winslow to that list. Either at the end of their career's or just too dang injury prone. you had a good run Hank.

Re: One thing to remember archbolddawg #338098 12/30/08 10:02 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,950 Wauseon, Ohio, Northwest corne... C ClayM57 Hall of Famer
ClayM57 Hall of Famer C Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,950 Wauseon, Ohio, Northwest corne...	Quote: Anyone wonder why I asked my wife for a Clay Matthews jersey 2 years ago? Even though your from Archbold, your ok in my book

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338099 12/30/08 10:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 809 Nashville, TN captainphil All Pro
captainphil All Pro Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 809 Nashville, TN	my phil dawson name tribute has lasted through the years... and even when he does retire 15 years from now it will still be appropriate as a tribute When it gets cold and snows and the wind blows, you gotta be able to run the ball. - TR

Re: One thing to remember ClayM57 #338100 12/30/08 10:05 PM
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archbolddawg Legend A Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 30,826	Even though?????? Come on, admit it, you wish you were in Archbold.

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338101 12/30/08 10:06 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,284 candyman92 Legend
candyman92 Legend Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 17,284	Im on to your shenanigans Peen. NO I will not let you have my autographed Ken Dorsey Jersey!!!

Re: One thing to remember Thebigbaddawg #338102 12/30/08 10:11 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 661 Akron jcbrowns All Pro
jcbrowns All Pro Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 661 Akron	Quote: Quote: Also some players we have become comfortable with will be shown the door. Somebody we all like. Probably Hank ,Tucker and Hieden. You could also add Winslow to that list. Either at the end of their career's or just too dang injury prone. I can't see Heiden going anywhere. Good hands, good blocker. He stays. How in the world can you fix something... If you don't know how it's supposed to work?

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338103 12/30/08 10:13 PM
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MrDNA All Pro M Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 745 Too deep in Eagles Country	IMO, I think 60% is high - we actually have talent that some GMs and coaches would like to work with (!!!). I would think around 40%. Anyone know what the average roster change is from year to year without a "regime change"? It'd be interesting to see. "One man's Bum is another man's Hobo" - Waterdawg

Re: One thing to remember MrDNA #338104 12/31/08 07:53 AM
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OP Ballpeen Legend B Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 39,682 Tennessee	Quote: IMO, I think 60% is high - we actually have talent that some GMs and coaches would like to work with (!!!). I would think around 40%. Anyone know what the average roster change is from year to year without a "regime change"? It'd be interesting to see. Good question, and one I considered when I started the thread. You figure your average team is going to keep 3-5 drafted players and sign a couple of FA each year...so a norm is about 10-15% anyway...but that is just a guess on my part, but it doesn't sound unreasonable IMO. At first I was going to say about 45%...close to your number....but then thought it is always higher than that...thus the 60% Cutting guys and making changes is a way a coach buys time. If you aren't going full speed ahead changing out players, it means you are content with the roster, so any failure on the field is a result of poor coaching and not in some way related to a weak roster. Nope...2-3 years down the pike, we are going to purge about 60% of the current roster...that is about 35 players. When you look at it from the bottom up, we can find 35 players who are replaceable....either ones that should be, or ones that "could" be. Look at the O-line alone...of the 5 starters, Thomas and Steinbach are the only 2 who would be safe IMO...all the others could be replaced over 2-3 years. We do have better talent right now than 4 years ago, and 4 years ago we canned about 80% of the team....about 10-12 players better. If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338105 12/31/08 08:21 AM
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Dawg in Dayton Hall of Famer D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,445	60's high over 2 years...3???...Maybe...Prolly still high... This ain't the team Davis took over...Nor is it the team Savage took over... Some of it's gonna come from AGE...In time... Robaire Smith MGinest---We know he's gone Davis---Gone Cousin Lewis Jurevicious Fraley That's 13% right there... Then we have the FA factor...And we have I believe 10...Of which only 2 are even worth keeping...Jones and Holly...And neither of them are secure...So say all 10 go... That's 17 players gone... That's 32% right there... No real revelation here... Go Browns!!!

Re: One thing to remember Dawg in Dayton #338106 12/31/08 08:33 AM
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OP Ballpeen Legend B Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 39,682 Tennessee	I agree...except for the masses who are shocked when people start getting cut. If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong

Re: One thing to remember #338107 12/31/08 08:36 AM
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VetteDawg Dawg Talker V Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 874 New England	Quote: That's all I'm getting from now on... throwback jerseys of former players I've been saying this for years. Since free agency players have become gypsies. And NFL jerseys are horrible for washing your car. AL 29 76 14 R_K

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338108 12/31/08 08:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida Roscoe5319 All Pro
Roscoe5319 All Pro Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida	looking at the list of players, I would say that all should go also, maybe with the exception of JJ........and maybe Lewis.....The Browns for the most part are a young team, and are gonna need some veteran leadership.....look at the Cowboys....they are a prime example of what you get with no leadership....just a bunch of star gazed a%$ clowns......that can't play together if their lives depended on it..... "Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-

Re: One thing to remember VetteDawg #338109 12/31/08 08:50 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida Roscoe5319 All Pro
Roscoe5319 All Pro Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida	Quote: Quote: That's all I'm getting from now on... throwback jerseys of former players I've been saying this for years. Since free agency players have become gypsies. And NFL jerseys are horrible for washing your car. That's true, but my Tim Couch jersey still remains a collecter's item..... "Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-

Re: One thing to remember Roscoe5319 #338110 12/31/08 08:58 AM
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KyDawg All Pro K Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 750 Raceland, KY	Quote: Quote: Quote: That's all I'm getting from now on... throwback jerseys of former players I've been saying this for years. Since free agency players have become gypsies. And NFL jerseys are horrible for washing your car. That's true, but my Tim Couch jersey still remains a collecter's item..... I better keep wearing cousin Johnny's jersey, and leave my Couch jersey in the closest. Go Irish!

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338111 12/31/08 09:36 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 42,960 Aurora, Ohio Damanshot Legend
Damanshot Legend Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 42,960 Aurora, Ohio	Probably gonna happen.. I'd add the following keepers for at least this upcoming year: On Offense Fraley Tucker Hadnot Stienbach Thomas Harrison Edwards Quinn DA On D, I'd add these names Rogers Robaire Smith Williams Jackson Wimbley Hall McDonald Wright Pool Of course, I think that that list will dwindle in the second year.. either that, or someone will have to get more out of these guys.. Guys like wimbley... whoever comes in has to take this kid aside and find the best way to use him. Same with Edwards.. he's talented, but something is wrong with this kids head. Notice, I've left KW2 off the list... I really think he'll be gone. #GMSTRONG “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan "Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot

Re: One thing to remember Damanshot #338112 12/31/08 09:47 AM
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Dawg in Dayton Hall of Famer D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,445	Quote: Notice, I've left KW2 off the list... I really think he'll be gone. Oh NO...Do Not Make That Assumption Now... Everything changed the day Savage went bye-bye... Remains to be seen but a new regime is gonna see a PRO BOWL TE... Changes for Edwards also...And Anderson...And Quinn... The WORST thing we could do is start blowing up the Franchise Players at Franchise Positions we've already got... Thomas LT Quinn QB Edwards #1 WR Wright #1 CB Rogers??? NT or DT in a 4-3 We're missing a Franchise END in a 4-3 and LB's in a 3-4... Stay Tuned... Go Browns!!!

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338113 12/31/08 09:49 AM
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DCDAWGFAN Legend Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 40,399	Quote: Good question, and one I considered when I started the thread. You figure your average team is going to keep 3-5 drafted players and sign a couple of FA each year...so a norm is about 10-15% anyway...but that is just a guess on my part, but it doesn't sound unreasonable IMO. At first I was going to say about 45%...close to your number....but then thought it is always higher than that...thus the 60% Nope...2-3 years down the pike, we are going to purge about 60% of the current roster...that is about 35 players. Not to nitpick your math peen, but if a team replaces 15% of it's players a year under normal circumstances... and you say in 2-3 years we'll replace 60%... that means in 3 years we would have replaced 45% anyway... so you're talking an additional 2 players a year for 3 years... I don't even consider that a purge. The questions is, are we going to count the Steptoes and Gradkowskis of the world who are only on the team because of injuries anyway? I'm sure there might be a surprise or two... but I'm honestly not expecting wholesale changes. I don't believe a coach is going to let a good player go just to "buy time".... Especially since whoever comes here is going to be tasked to "win now", not give us a 4 year plan.. yebat' Putin

Re: One thing to remember Damanshot #338114 12/31/08 09:50 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida Roscoe5319 All Pro
Roscoe5319 All Pro Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida	Well, on D.....I think it comes down to what sceme they decide to run with.....chances are, that if we get Pioli, we will stick with the 3-4...and like you said, somebody needs to work with him (Wimbely)....he needs to convert to a DE I think...and then the LB crew needs to be evaluated...with the first pick....being that our LB's and DB's need some help...do you go with Malcolm Jenkins or the kid from USC the LB.....I always forget his name..... "Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338115 12/31/08 10:00 AM
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Line Judge Dawg Talker Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,833 Eastern West Virginia	another thing to remember..... Look for a coaching purge. Any new coach will bring in some of "his" people that he is comfortable with.

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338116 12/31/08 10:21 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,465 Howland L legalizewd Dawg Talker
legalizewd Dawg Talker L Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,465 Howland	Quote: At first I was going to say about 45%...close to your number....but then thought it is always higher than that...thus the 60% Cutting guys and making changes is a way a coach buys time. If you aren't going full speed ahead changing out players, it means you are content with the roster, so any failure on the field is a result of poor coaching and not in some way related to a weak roster. Nope...2-3 years down the pike, we are going to purge about 60% of the current roster...that is about 35 players. When you look at it from the bottom up, we can find 35 players who are replaceable....either ones that should be, or ones that "could" be. Look at the O-line alone...of the 5 starters, Thomas and Steinbach are the only 2 who would be safe IMO...all the others could be replaced over 2-3 years. We do have better talent right now than 4 years ago, and 4 years ago we canned about 80% of the team....about 10-12 players better. So are you saying that a coach would rather have a roster turnover to buy himself more time, which could cost him wins in his record? Or are you saying that there will be a roster turnover because most coaches cant win with this current roster? Because if that was the case, maybe firing Romeo because of who he had to work with was a bad idea. There is going to be a 2 year turnaround regardless of whos in charge, even if the currrent regime was kept. Some players being named in this thread, like Tucker and Heidon, most likely wont be in the league anyways with their age and injury history. Steptoe will be replaced, but not until he gets beat out in camp. I doubt anyone thinks he is a long term solution. One thing I didnt like about last year was that the offense ran basic plays in preseason, (maybe to not give away their playcalling that needed practiced!!!) and Phil kept some players that made big plays against 3rd stringers. Other teams cut RBs who lead the preseason in rushing or other stats, this team keeps player based on their preseason performance a little too much. I guess sometimes that works, sometimes it doesnt. It worked with Cribbs and Bodden.

Re: One thing to remember legalizewd #338117 12/31/08 10:50 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 42,960 Aurora, Ohio Damanshot Legend
Damanshot Legend Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 42,960 Aurora, Ohio	Quote: There is going to be a 2 year turnaround regardless of whos in charge, even if the currrent regime was kept. I always have agree with that everytime we had a regime change.. in fact, I've thought,, maybe more like 3 years is a timeframe we should look at. But then I look at Miami and Atlanta.... a few major player acquistions, some minor ones, a new HC with attitude and someone that knows how to draft. BOOM,,,, they are off to the races. I think it could happen... #GMSTRONG “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan "Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot

Re: One thing to remember Damanshot #338118 12/31/08 10:58 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,465 Howland L legalizewd Dawg Talker
legalizewd Dawg Talker L Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,465 Howland	Quote: Quote: There is going to be a 2 year turnaround regardless of whos in charge, even if the currrent regime was kept. I always have agree with that everytime we had a regime change.. in fact, I've thought,, maybe more like 3 years is a timeframe we should look at. But then I look at Miami and Atlanta.... a few major player acquistions, some minor ones, a new HC with attitude and someone that knows how to draft. BOOM,,,, they are off to the races. I think it could happen... Thats what Im hoping for. I think we have the team, in which it could happen. Thats why we watch the game.

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338119 12/31/08 11:08 AM
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Attack Dawg Hall of Famer Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,160 C-Bus	I agree...except for the masses who are shocked when people start getting cut. Some of these guys need to be cut anyway.

Re: One thing to remember Attack Dawg #338120 12/31/08 11:20 AM
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OP Ballpeen Legend B Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 39,682 Tennessee	I agree. The reason for this thread is the last time, after Butch left, people seemed shocked as many people were being cut. All I am saying is whatever people think they know about who is going to play and be core players, they probably need to put it on the shelf and just have a open mind to whatever the new team decides to do. I don't think they are going to just carry on with the existing group the way we may have had Savage and Romeo still been in charge....and it isn't just going to be the "scrubs". Some of the players who we thought were going to be our future stars may no longer be factors. If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338121 12/31/08 11:21 AM
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brownsfansince79 Legend Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 10,246	Quote: Some of the players who we thought were going to be our future stars may no longer be factors. I don't know, 'Peen. I have a tough time thinking Terry Cousins won't be here for a long time. I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism

Re: One thing to remember Attack Dawg #338122 12/31/08 11:30 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida Roscoe5319 All Pro
Roscoe5319 All Pro Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 604 North Port, Florida	Yes, some need to be cut, but I don't think that they will come in and make total changes. They are just going to have to use what they got in most cases....unless Lerner makes a big splash in FA......and their really isn't a whole lot to be had their either..... "Winning is not a some time thing, it's an all the time thing" ....-Lombardi-

Re: One thing to remember captainphil #338123 12/31/08 11:43 AM
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legalizewd Dawg Talker L Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,465 Howland	Quote: my phil dawson name tribute has lasted through the years... and even when he does retire 15 years from now it will still be appropriate as a tribute With you living in Alabama, I figured captainphil was a tribute to Phil Savage. That would be a nice turnaround though to change it to Dawson. My name was a tribute for something at one time, now its for Freedom of Speech

Re: One thing to remember legalizewd #338124 12/31/08 11:50 AM
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OP Ballpeen Legend B Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 39,682 Tennessee	He just moved there about a year ago to take a job with the University...and meant to ask him how he was liking Tuscaloosa?? I like the place, but only visit for short periods of time....visiting and living someplace can be different deals....but from the many times I have been there, it seems like a nice place to settle. If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong

Re: One thing to remember VetteDawg #338125 12/31/08 04:59 PM
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Bard Dawg Legend Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 11,086 Springfield OH (IO!)	But Vette, if you chop em up, they make great pots and pan scrubbers. I have the set: Spielman, Couch, Garcia, and a few others. "Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880

Re: One thing to remember Ballpeen #338126 12/31/08 05:28 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 75,222 Smyrna, TN. P PitDAWG Legend
PitDAWG Legend P Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 75,222 Smyrna, TN.	I sort of take acception with your premise to a degree Peen. But that hinges purely on who comes in. From what I gather, your analogy hinges on a "new regime". But what if that new regime uses a very similar style to the one that is already in place? ie....NE/Denver Yes, there would still be quite a turnover. But I could see that being more of the 25% to 40% variety. While our entire OL isn't "athletic", the core players are. I believe from what I gathered, that Phil wasn't giving RAC the "type" of players he really needed to execute his D. So we are right where we would have been irregardless of a regime change. 2 LBer's and a physical CB. So those changes would have occured either way. Or are you counting that as a part of your equasion? IMO- If Pioli/Mangini run the show with RAC as DC (or any other person from NE) much of our core will remain in tact. I can see both BE and KW2 being called on the carpet to put up or shut up. And if either of them spout off? Bye bye! So how much of a turnover we face will be largely dependant on who comes in IMO Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach. #gmstrong

Re: One thing to remember PitDAWG #338127 12/31/08 05:43 PM
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OoooRahJoice Legend Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,149	I agree,...it may be even less if they keep RAC as the DC. There will be some purge, no doubt. I would not lose an ounce of sleep if KW or BE left after being told to put up or shut up. Hate to see either go, but they need their butts puckered. Cribbs, Thomas, Dawson, Jackson, keepers. Maybe Quinn. Everyone else is fair game. I believe real coaching will have a lot to do with performance improvement.

Re: One thing to remember OoooRahJoice #338128 12/31/08 05:54 PM
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DCDAWGFAN Legend Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 40,399	Pontbriand DUDE.. we CAN NOT GET RID OF PONTBRIAND... yebat' Putin

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