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Pontbriand DUDE.. we CAN NOT GET RID OF PONTBRIAND... 
Even though I was critical of the 5th round selection, dudes definately worth his contract.
Butch started a trend here that actually worked. Someone drafted a LS last year and Im sure theres more.
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OK, I digress,...add Ryan P.  Anyone else untouchable ?
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What's the NFL average of turnover in roster for lets say a 3 year period??? So we have apples to apples to compare to.
Roster Purge...Ballpeen heaven...lol 
Thought that was funny.
Anyway...I think what we will come across will be certain talent ties on decisions made by the Last Regime on being able to easily let loose where the regime that brings in those talents would tend to hold onto them longer and even sign them to second contracts.
BE does come to mind. I think Savage would never look at the option of not seeing his talents here. Where a new Regime has no ties to BE as the overall #3 pick in their first draft. They will keep him or ship him according to their strict evaluation of their talent.
Wimbley, Pool - guys who haven't made a mark yet. They will get assessed at their true potential with no bias towards the investment that was made.
DQ, EW, BQ I'm pretty sure are safe...Joe Thomas is a Cornerstone for years nobody is going even to breath in that direction.
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I also see the "untapped potential" angle coming into play. Some players may fit what they need but weren't developed into their roles properly.
It seems that many talented people just never develop here. They never grow and mature.
Don't know why, but they don't. So maybe the new regime will see that as well.
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I also see the "untapped potential" angle coming into play. Some players may fit what they need but weren't developed into their roles properly.
It seems that many talented people just never develop here. They never grow and mature.
Don't know why, but they don't. So maybe the new regime will see that as well.
So we want RAC to take over the D? What's the difference?
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RAC is already here, RAC has worked with Pioli. From everything I've heard I consider to be credable, Phil wasn't getting the kind of players RAC wanted and needed.
Which is why Phil was dismissed completely and why Lerner gave RAC an offer to stay. Makes sense.....
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So Tucker and Romeo stood on the sidelines while Phil called the schemes...
We seem to be trying to right Romeos ship for him. He wasn't a good head coach and is there isn't absolute proof he's a defensive genius.
I'm not against him, if it'd work that would be awesome. I'm just not sure he's deserving of all the love now because Phil picked the players and Tucker.
He WAS the head coach, did he have his nose in the D at all?
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You call your schemes according to the players you have to work with. Are you trying to say RAC was given the talent to run an aggressive 3-4 scheme?
No, he was given who Savage wanted to draft and they just didn't fit. That's what I'm saying. And "no positive proof?
Clem just posted two solid sources in another thread showing that RAC had full control of the NE D schemes and players during his tenure at NE. And they haven't won a SB since he left.
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Isn't it funny how the worm had turned .. A few days ago Savage was still the man ( and staying ) and RAC was the Bag guy ! ... Now it's all Savages fault and Romeo would make a Great DC. for us ... At least I will stay consistent ... 
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When you get news from someone reliable about what was going on in the organisation, at some point you must look at what actually happenned. That's exactly what I did. I had no idea a few days ago that this is what was going on behind the scenes. Now I do. I tend to let facts get in the way of my opinions. 
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Isn't it funny how the worm had turned .. A few days ago Savage was still the man ( and staying ) and RAC was the Bag guy ! ... Now it's all Savages fault and Romeo would make a Great DC. for us ... At least I will stay consistent ...
Well, we all just want the right thing.
If this NE trio/quartet is the answer fine, I'm cool with it. Just wondering if i'ts too "slam dunk" and if we'll be objective enough to look at all the options out there and actually consider them.
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Don't take it personal my friend .. I am just amazed how fast the board has reacted .. Didn't like the RAC hire from the start ( Don't want him as a DC now ) ,, I said over and over again Savage " Wasn't all that and a bag of chips " and wasn't crazy about his drafts .. I just find it amusing ( not ) how the few that shared my " Opinion " where ........ ; Oh well dosn't matter now... Just hope Mr. Lerner gets it right this time ..  PS: Happy New Year !
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Shoot , we all want the same thing .. A winner in Cleveland ! ... We just vary on how to get there
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"The purge this time might not be as drastic as the last change where we turned over about 80& of the roster in 2 years, but you can expect to see 60% or more of this team changed over the nest few years.".....I hope that your wrong Ballpeen....I know that we will see changes but I am hoping it is less than your conservative 60%....
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I was curious ... so I went a'lookin ........
Dolphins:
New players (starters) at:
TE
LT (R)
LG
QB
WR (R)
FB
DE (R)
NT
ILB
Falcons:
TE (Oddly enough, a former Dolphin)
LT
QB (R)
RB
DT
MLB (R)
CB
S
That's just 2 teams .... 1 with a complete regime change ... and 1 with a new head coach only. I team brought in (draft, UDFA, FA) 7 starters ..... and the other 8. That's out of 22 total starting positions on offense and defense. That's closer to 33% turnover in the starting lineup.
I would expect the same for us. I think that we will find the QB, TE, WR, LT, LG, RT, FB, DE, NT, LB, CB, S, and S spots filled by players on the 2008 team. C, RG, WR, RB, DE, OLB, OLB and CB are less certain. (although McDonald and Wright could both be seen as starters by a new coaching staff) That's a possible 7 or 8 spots turned over. Probably in line with what other teams experience.
Now most teams turn over 8-12 spots per year. Incoming draft picks .... losses to free agency ... free agents signed .... players retiring ..... all of these create a situation where players come and go. 2 years at 12 players per year would be 24 .... out of 47 .... that's over 50% in 2 years ... and not all that unexpected.
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Ytown, didn't the Falcons also move McKay up and hire a GM type guy coupled with a new HC?
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Could be.
Look at a team like the Colts though.
4 new starters at C, RG, DT, and LB. They also feature a few 2nd year guys.
The days of a team having a group together for 5 years are over. Most teams change from year to year. Some will only turn over 1 position .. and some 2, 3, or 4. The bad teams, naturally, will have somewht higher turnover than a good team ... but that doesn't make a traditionally good team immune from the same.
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Also, I would invite people to look at a team like the Steelers .... and compare their 2006 roster to their 2008. I bet you'd be surprised at the turnover that even an established and successful team, who made an "orderly" transition from 1 head coach to another has had over the course of a couple of years.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Also, I would invite people to look at a team like the Steelers .... and compare their 2006 roster to their 2008. I bet you'd be surprised at the turnover that even an established and successful team, who made an "orderly" transition from 1 head coach to another has had over the course of a couple of years.
Interesting point and I just compared the 2006 to the 2008 roster for them.
There were 28 players that appeared in games as a Steeler in 2006 that are not on the 2008 Steeler roster at all. The number would most assuredly be even higher if I had looked at all players.....
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Oh I didn't take it that way. I just heard some reliable information that totally changed my point of view. We all sit here and guess, have opinions and try to read between the lines. And WTH, that's a lot of fun! But once I get a clearer picture of what really went on I often times see how my opinion was wrong. At that juncture I have to base it on the information at hand. You have a Happy New Year too.
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i'd add wright and mcdonald on defense. they might not be starting corners (i thought they both did pretty well last season given the pass rush) but they should be able to stay on, especially if rac stays.
on offense, no way we don't keep edwards but winslow might be gone. quinn'll stay, maybe DA too. if quinn successfully lobbies for dorsey again, though, i'll go 
Wright wouldn't be a starting corner on my highschool team. 
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Wright and McDonald ALWAYS give it their all though.
They always try to hustle back to the ball, and strip it to try to make a play. I love that about them. They don't give up. And they also don't mind getting dirty by playing the run and making tackles on the RB.
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Wright and McDonald ALWAYS give it their all though.
They always try to hustle back to the ball, and strip it to try to make a play. I love that about them. They don't give up. And they also don't mind getting dirty by playing the run and making tackles on the RB.
I agree with McDonald, but Wright gets burned to many times for a starter in the NFL. JMHO
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Wright and McDonald ALWAYS give it their all though.
They always try to hustle back to the ball, and strip it to try to make a play. I love that about them. They don't give up. And they also don't mind getting dirty by playing the run and making tackles on the RB.
I agree with McDonald, but Wright gets burned to many times for a starter in the NFL. JMHO
Yeah, he did get toasted a few times, but he also made some plays a few times....he is still very young, and raw....I think given a year ot two, he will be a top corner in this league...if we could ever get something that resembles a pass rush, then that would most certainly help also.....
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I don't think he will ever be considered a top corner in the league, but he can be a solid starter.
Wright plays his best ball when he has a safety on top for help. If he doesn't have it, a lot of WR's will be him on the go route. He needs to work on something to keep that from happening.
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Yeah, that is what I meant, just said it wrong......I don't think he is "shut down" corner material by any means....but he is a play maker, and that is better than what we have...and with the rules the way they are now.....other than Champ Bailey, Rasheen Mathis, Al Harris, Ashante Samual.....there really ain't much else in the lines of a shut down corner....and out of these guys, Mathis, and Harris...in my opinion are the best, and that is simply based on how physical they are on the line.....they can jam receivers like no other which completely messes everything up ......Ashante and Champ are just ball hawks that can read the QB's, break on the ball and use their speed to close anytime they get beat.....but even these guys get beat with no safty help.....I guess maybe I just have a bias opinion of Wright......I so bad wanted him to be the next Dixon or Minnifield.....but those are some BIG shoes to fill....
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