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You can't help but wonder how someone who's only 32 would be able to handle the team while at recess.
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I said it somewhere on here a few days ago, but if i was going to interview college coaches, I would talk to Houston Nutt...that guy is one heck of a coach...wins wherever he goes, and might be as good at in game adjustments as any coach I have ever seen.
His Ole Miss team just pummeled Texas Tech, and that was after going down early. I am sure people were thinking blow out....but not Ole Miss being the one to do it.
Texas Tech got punked.
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Mangini is young. But 32? How young is too young?
Especially having no NFL HC experience to boot?
Give me a fresh excited guy over some of these older guys.
I'd love a young coach to come in here and take this team to a SB and stick around for 15 years!
This kids been around football all his life and must know something to be an OC in his early thirties!
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32 is very young. Doesn't mean he can't coach, but I just don't know.
Something bugs me about Mangini. Don't ask because I don't know what it is, the guy just rubs me the wrong way.
I just want a fairly young coach to come in here and be the face of this organization for the next 15 years. That means he's gonna have to win but that's what I hope for.
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I was thinking of guys like Jeff Garcia
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Lehan? Does he even play anymore? I think Fowler starts for Buffalo, when healthy. Thompson, I believe we miss him major on ST.
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You're not alone. I want a young Head Coach, but I am torn between that and experience. As you can tell from my sig, I want McDaniels.
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You're not alone. I want a young Head Coach, but I am torn between that and experience. As you can tell from my sig, I want McDaniels.
If Bill B. sees something in you at 30 to make you his OC I figure you have something going for you! 
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This is true.
But Billy Boy calls his own plays.
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This is true.
But Billy Boy calls his own plays.
Do we know this for sure?
A while back everyone said it was Bill rather than RAC running the and now
some have posted it was RAC calling the shots.
Heck if it's all Bill and I'm Kraft I'd fire my coordinators and save some money!
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Russ Grimm has interviewed for several HC jobs, and he's never been offered a position. He interviewed with the bears, steelers, and I think the vikings. I do believe he also interviewed in Cleveland once. I know he's a good OL coach, but no one has the confidence in him to hire him for HC. I guess he interviews badly.
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Bill calls the offensive plays.
As a matter of fact the following season after chubby went to Notre Dame they didn't even have an Offensive coordinator.
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Bill calls the offensive plays.
As a matter of fact the following season after chubby went to Notre Dame they didn't even have an Offensive coordinator.
McDaniels is also the QB coach, and I believe has to get some credit for Matt Cassel.
I mean, Bill Bellyache is a good coach, but we can't give him credit for everything. He isn't God.
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you had a good run Hank.
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I'm not knocking McDaniels cause in his own right he is a good coach and does deserve some credit for developing Cassel.
However if you have ever watched Inside the NFL and they showed Patriots practice Bill has a huge hand in developing the QB's.
I'm not saying he is god but the man knows football. He studies the game like no other coach. Him and his dad studied football forever, the guy has a huge library of books about nothing but football. Watched a special segment one time about the guy, came away pretty impressed.
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I'm not knocking McDaniels cause in his own right he is a good coach and does deserve some credit for developing Cassel.
However if you have ever watched Inside the NFL and they showed Patriots practice Bill has a huge hand in developing the QB's.
I'm not saying he is god but the man knows football. He studies the game like no other coach. Him and his dad studied football forever, the guy has a huge library of books about nothing but football. Watched a special segment one time about the guy, came away pretty impressed.
Bellyache lives in the film room, never said anything other wise.
One of these days, someone is going to succeed away from Bill. Personally, I think Mangini has already succeeded away from him, but I think McDaniels has a very bright future as well.
You certainly cannot compare either Mangini or McDaniels with Weis or Crennel.
you had a good run Hank.
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Bill calls the offensive plays.
As a matter of fact the following season after chubby went to Notre Dame they didn't even have an Offensive coordinator.
Heh...chubby...hehe...I instantly thought of Chubby of Little Rascals fame roaming the ND sideline. 
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Yeah but the first time someone succeeds away from Bill it's going to be because he worked under Bill.
LOL, theres no getting away from it.
But I do think McDaniels should get a shot. But only an I mena only if we get a bonafide general manager in here.
If Pioli comes aboard (I don't think he will) and he brings in McDaniels then i'm on board. But in reality if he's gonna succeed he's gonna need some descent coordinators. You show me one great coach and i'll show you a great coordinator or two. (unless he calls his own plays) hehe
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So you want to add Bill Calahan to the list of successes too??...lol.
get outta here? seriously??? he couldnt even win at nebraska?!
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Russ Grimm has interviewed for several HC jobs, and he's never been offered a position. He interviewed with the bears, steelers, and I think the vikings. I do believe he also interviewed in Cleveland once. I know he's a good OL coach, but no one has the confidence in him to hire him for HC. I guess he interviews badly.
The guy has a long stellar career as an OL coach. I would think a guy with his experience and success would at least get a look, but not recenlty. I would probably be an advocate of hiring him with the right GM.
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Russ Grimm has interviewed for several HC jobs, and he's never been offered a position. He interviewed with the bears, steelers, and I think the vikings. I do believe he also interviewed in Cleveland once. I know he's a good OL coach, but no one has the confidence in him to hire him for HC. I guess he interviews badly.
The guy has a long stellar career as an OL coach. I would think a guy with his experience and success would at least get a look, but not recenlty. I would probably be an advocate of hiring him with the right GM.
This may be because everytime there's an opening everyone screams for the "experienced" coach! This creates the perpetual retread carousel
Seriously, there must be thousands of excellent HC's who never got their shot through the years!
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Seriously, there must be thousands of excellent HC's who never got their shot through the years!
I seem to recall that being the battle cry for RAC.
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Seriously, there must be thousands of excellent HC's who never got their shot through the years!
I seem to recall that being the battle cry for RAC.
Maybe, but the flip side is the tens of thousands that bite the big one!
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j/c http://www.cleveland.com/browns/CLEVELAND -- New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker interviewed for the Browns' head coach position with owner Randy Lerner on Friday. Also, Browns director of player personnel T.J. McCreight was formally interviewed for the position of general manager. ------------------------------ So, we're covered with the Rooney rule now. We can do anything we want. The question is....what do we want to do? I think I like the fact that Mr. Lerner isn't rushing into anything. 
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So what happens if we don't land Pioli or McKay? Is there another choice outside the organization or does Lerner give the job to McCreight? Or does he go ahead and hire a coach to make sure he gets who he wants and then fill the GM job at a later date?
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Yeah but the first time someone succeeds away from Bill it's going to be because he worked under Bill.
LOL, theres no getting away from it.
But I do think McDaniels should get a shot. But only an I mena only if we get a bonafide general manager in here.
If Pioli comes aboard (I don't think he will) and he brings in McDaniels then i'm on board. But in reality if he's gonna succeed he's gonna need some descent coordinators. You show me one great coach and i'll show you a great coordinator or two. (unless he calls his own plays) hehe
Could be the reason RAC is willing to go to DC to be that experienced coordinator under a new coach. RAC may not be cut out for a HC spot, but he's a great DC, IMO.
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So what happens if we don't land Pioli or McKay? Is there another choice outside the organization or does Lerner give the job to McCreight?
I think it's safe to assume that he's at least got a fall back option for GM.
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Bill calls the offensive plays.
As a matter of fact the following season after chubby went to Notre Dame they didn't even have an Offensive coordinator.
Entirely untrue.
I watch football with a Pats fan every week. McDaniels has been calling the offensive side for quite some time...he was even calling plays when his title was just QB coach.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/09/06/patriots_plan_to_adjust/
With his success at such a young age, sometimes it's easy to forget McDaniels is still growing, too. Yes, McDaniels, who officially became the team's offensive coordinator in 2006, has been the primary play-caller since 2005, but he is only a year older than Moss and quarterback Tom Brady.
Still, he is the unquestioned boss of the offense.
"Everybody knows that on our side of the ball he runs the show," said Gaffney. "That's him. He's the man. No questions, no doubts with his age or anything. We know when we come in here and open up our game plan to see what we have going in for that week that he's put in the time to put in the right plays for us whoever we're playing."
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So what happens if we don't land Pioli or McKay? Is there another choice outside the organization or does Lerner give the job to McCreight? Or does he go ahead and hire a coach to make sure he gets who he wants and then fill the GM job at a later date?
I have a creeping feeling we are going to end up with McCreight at GM and have to hire an inexperienced head coach.
The other article that claims the disfunction is why Cowher didn't take the job is looking more and more correct. First Cowher says no, then we haven't signed Pioli yet, McKay reschedules for later. It just seems more and more like we are not the destination of choice for those with other options, whatever the reason may be.
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Don't sell Garcia short. The last 3 years his average QB rating is over 90.
His TD to INT ratio has always been what you'd want out of a QB.
Garcia is a better QB than Anderson and Brady Quinn is wait and see.
Anthony Henry has played decent for the Cowboys as he switch from S to CB.
Chris Crocker has been reborn in Cincinnati....he's played a factor in the Bengals defense going from 27th to 13th this year.
Kevin Bentley is a special teams starter for the Texans and backup LB..he's no worse than Andra Davis.
Antonio Bryant was as well as any WR in the 2nd half of the 2008.
Dennis Northcutt became one of David Garrards go to guys this year.
Orephous Roye came off the bench for the Steelers this year.
I thought Lehan was on the Dolphins.
Look theres several of Savages draft picks that are already out football or close to it.
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Don't sell Garcia short. The last 3 years his average QB rating is over 90.
His TD to INT ratio has always been what you'd want out of a QB.
Garcia is a better QB than Anderson and Brady Quinn is wait and see.
Anthony Henry has played decent for the Cowboys as he switch from S to CB.
Chris Crocker has been reborn in Cincinnati....he's played a factor in the Bengals defense going from 27th to 13th this year.
Kevin Bentley is a special teams starter for the Texans and backup LB..he's no worse than Andra Davis.
Antonio Bryant was as well as any WR in the 2nd half of the 2008.
Dennis Northcutt became one of David Garrards go to guys this year.
Orephous Roye came off the bench for the Steelers this year.
I thought Lehan was on the Dolphins.
Look theres several of Savages draft picks that are already out football or close to it.
And how many of those guys have gone to a pro bowl since they have left the Browns?
This team right now would wipe out the 2004 team...if we had a healthy QB.
you had a good run Hank.
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You know this is the honest truth..I remember on this board,when the majority that post on here,thought going to a Pro Bowl was POPULARITY contest.
All of a sudden,a couple Browns go and the perception has changed.
Shaun Rogers is the only Brown really worthy of a Pro Bowl appearance this year.
Debating if the 2008 could destroy the 2004 is pointless.....
I know this much,despite the adversity the 2004 unit faced with Davis resigning and going thru 3 QB's,it played harder than the 2008 team.
By the ways heres some of Phil Savage's drafts picks that are either out of football or on a non active list.
Travis Wilson
DeMario Minter
David McMillian
Antonio Perkins
Jon Dunn
Andrew Hoffman
Nick Speegle
Charlie Frye
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I was wrong about Sowells,he's still around with the Browns
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I would be stunned if Botch's drafts didn't have, at least as many amount of players on that list.
Look, this isn't the 64 Browns vs the 88 Browns. These two teams suck something fierce, but to argue that the 2004 team had more talent is just wrong. The 2004 team did not have anyone near the talent of Rogers on defense, nor did they have a running back even close to Jamal Lewis, not to mention that however bad this year's line was, the 2004 line was had the anchor of Melvin Fowler, an injury prone Faine and Ryan Tucker, who is still on this team.
you had a good run Hank.
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Please do us a favor Impact,,, don't even thinki of comparing the 2004 team to the team that exists today...You aren't going to get many folks to buy you line on that one. we have WAY better talent now...
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just clickin' The arguments against hiring a coach out of college are without much merit - or at least good supporting evidence. For every Spurrier, I can give you a Bugle. For every Nick Saban, I have a Rod Marinelli. I've got some Rod Rusts, Richie Petitbons, and Richie Kotites to throw at you too. So, let's just agree that there is little evidence to support one side or the other, because until I see some valid statistics to support the argument against college coaches making the jump, I will leave my mind open to any candidate making the jump to NFL HC. If anyone wants to argue against a college coach - or anyone associated with the Patriots for that matter - as a poor candidate, just be clear that there is no basis for that opinion other than your gut feel.  Until Randy makes his decision, all of this is idle speculation. So far, he seems to doing the right thing, which is interviewing as many viable (and interested!) candidates as possible. (I haven't heard that Shanahan is interested in coaching this season, especially after the difficult "break-up" - all I have heard is that he is taking a 2-week vacation. I guess we will learn more over the weekend when he speaks on NFL Network...)
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Ummm, Charlie's not out of football. He's with the Seahawks.
So, what's the point? Savaged missed on some? Really? Tell me one GM that hasn't missed on picks in the last 4 years. The problem with Savage was that he didn't draft for the schemes, but rather went for the more "versatile" player.
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Aside from Frye and Wilson, most of those guys were picked in the 5-7th round. I'm sure you could find more teams with even more late round busts than the Browns.
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I stand corrected.
I've seen Belichick on the sidelines with a headset on and a play sheet in his hands calling in plays. Maybe not this year cause I haven't seen but one or two games they have played but I could swear it has been in the last year or so.
Does Mcdaniels call in the plays to Belicheck and he relays them to the QB and have the power to change them?
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Please do us a favor Impact,,, don't even thinki of comparing the 2004 team to the team that exists today...You aren't going to get many folks to buy you line on that one. we have WAY better talent now...
That's right,the 2008 team won 4 games,while the 2004 team won,aw who really cares,they both sucked.
You,as a Bengal fan,should be readily able to spot a sucky football team.I'm surprised you even started this nonsense.
OOps,sorry Daman.I meant to reply to the Begal fan.I should lay off the booze.
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Daman, I know this much about "talent"..a football team cannot ascend on talent alone.
You need 53 guys and a multitude of coaches on the same page with the same agenda
For all the talent on the current Browns roster,how come the Browns have underachieved in 2008?
The Browns have "talented" players..but how many had that desire to the best?
How many guys were just out to collect a paycheck?
The proof is on film.
And in actuality,you can compare both teams..they both finished 4-12 in the last years of their respective regimes.
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