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Could Ward be this year's Michael Turner? Is he worth taking a look at as an upgrade at RB? Can the Giants really keep both UFA's Ward and Jacobs?
Ward has 5 years in the league now, but not much tread run off. He is 28, so only a couple of years from hitting the normal 30 wall. But, my opinion is that Lewis has past that wall. What would our cost be to let him go - contract/cap wise? I know one of you will know.
Way too many questions out there right now, but I love playing all the 'what if' games. Was just looking through all the UFA listings and possible draft scenarios. Was thinking about Ward and Suggs in FA. Suggs should be reasonably priced with Haynesworth and Peppers also out there. He could help our pass rush. Ward an upgrade at RB? I don't see us drafting that position. Then, we draft Jenkins for secondary need in the 1st, any LB position in the 2nd and a Guard in the 4th (Dockery - UT?).
I know it's early with no GM or HC yet, but I can't help but start the 'what if' game.
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Reasonably priced.. as in 5% off a Ferrari? I still would take him, but he's not going to be cheap... as for Ward. I'd take him to but I think he's going to want a 5 or 6 year deal because this could be his last chance at a big contract... not sure if I like that.
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I think we draft a back. Free Agency has gotten us nowhere.
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I would bring him in. It would mean that Wright is out of a job. You wouldnt know this because of the thread title, but this was discussed earlier in a thread called something like "The Browns #1 offseason priority." I wouldnt say its a #1 priority ,like the LBs, but he would help this team win games.
Also, Lewis would be a great backup/goalline back. Would he come to Cleveland if they have a goalline back? He might want his own TDs. I dont see the Giants being able to afford him. Plus they have a couple other guys and could afford to lose Ward.
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I think he's definitely a worthy pickup.
But I would LOVE to be able to skip this position in free agency and find a later round RB in the draft that works out. Man, the thought of having a 3rd rounder makes the mouth water . . .
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I didn't mean cheap. I meant reasonable as compared to Peppers and even Haynesworth, although that's a different position on the DL.
And if Ward does demand 5 years or more, I think I may pass. 4 years, yes.
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I think we draft a back. Free Agency has gotten us nowhere.
You think getting Rogers and Williams has gotten us no where.......I think that our D-line is ALOT better by adding them.......
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Someone else brought this up a short while ago.. maybe two weeks ago.. anyway,, I looked at both guys and I kept seeing that Ward is pretty much the same guy as Harrison.. but with a lot more touches the past year or so..
I keep wondering if Harrison could provide the same punch if we had a big back to replace Lewis... someone like Brandon Jacobs?
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My thought is that if we would bring in Ward, we let Lewis go. We don't have both. My only question is what kind of cap impact do we have with letting Lewis go. What's still left of his current contract/bonus?
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I'd much rather go that route myself, but didn't feel that the Gmen would let Jacobs go. But, also don't think they can keep both.
Boy, not letting Harrison get more touches this year really has hampered the ability to know for sure what we have there.
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I'd rather trade DA to the Jets for Leon Washington, thats if they would bite. 
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I too like to play the "what If" game....so here is my take.....based upon what we have, and what we need to make a difference, I first look at the draft to see what it has to offer....and being that we only have our 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th I think.......with that being said I look in Free agency and not knowing our salary cap situation.....I say make a play for Suggs...he can play LB or DE so that is huge.....and then make a play for Asomugha...probably gonna command WAY to much, but just see......and if that is the case then maybe turn to a Chris Gamble....we are gonna need a DB that can start immediately...and while I'm a huge fan of Malcolm jenkins, just not sure if he is ready to step up and cover Calvin Johnson....so assuming that we aquire Suggs and Gamble in FA....we now can turn to LB with our 1st pick.....and being that Rey Maualuga or Aaron Curry will be there.....we can take our pick...then in the 2nd round we would have some flexibility...get Alphonso Smith - DB - Wake forest, or maybe Javon Ringer - RB - from Michigan State....they are saying he is a late 2nd or 3rd round pick......but that is the only position on O that we don't have speed......like someone says above...just not sure what we have in harrison......has looked really good insome games......maybe insert him more into the game plan.....then go defense again in the 2nd with a DB maybe.......
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Your back is only as good as your O-line. Atlanta's O-line has been tough as nails this season. Added to the fact that they had one of if not THE weakest scheduled in the league.
You want to get a running back you draft one....like the giants did.....
Fix the O-line, Andre Smith or trade down!!!!!
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I'd rather trade DA to the Jets for Leon Washington, thats if they would bite.
yeah, that would be a GREAT move......but I don't think the would entertain that idea even a little......
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Your back is only as good as your O-line. Atlanta's O-line has been tough as nails this season. Added to the fact that they had one of if not THE weakest scheduled in the league.
You want to get a running back you draft one....like the giants did.....
Fix the O-line, Andre Smith or trade down!!!!!
The O-line we have should be really good....assuming that everyone comes back from injury, we should have one of the better lines in the league.....but I agree, it all starts in the trenches....can't doing anything without blocking.....don't we have pretty much everyone from the year before when DA hardly ever got touched...????
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I'd rather trade DA to the Jets for Leon Washington, thats if they would bite.
yeah, that would be a GREAT move......but I don't think the would entertain that idea even a little......
Not even if Favre retires?
The Browns have Cribbs signed for around #1million a year for the next 5 years. Yeah he wants a bigger contract, but now he has to show the new regime what he can do under his current contract. If I were a new GM, I would double what he makes a year immediately. At $2 mill a year, hes still a bargain. That should keep him out of the papers for a season or 2. So we wouldnt need Washingtons return game.
I also think we have a good enough slasher/beat men to the corners in Harrison.
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I too like to play the "what If" game....so here is my take.....based upon what we have, and what we need to make a difference, I first look at the draft to see what it has to offer....and being that we only have our 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th I think.......with that being said I look in Free agency and not knowing our salary cap situation.....I say make a play for Suggs...he can play LB or DE so that is huge.....and then make a play for Asomugha...probably gonna command WAY to much, but just see......and if that is the case then maybe turn to a Chris Gamble....we are gonna need a DB that can start immediately...and while I'm a huge fan of Malcolm jenkins, just not sure if he is ready to step up and cover Calvin Johnson....so assuming that we aquire Suggs and Gamble in FA....we now can turn to LB with our 1st pick.....and being that Rey Maualuga or Aaron Curry will be there.....we can take our pick...then in the 2nd round we would have some flexibility...get Alphonso Smith - DB - Wake forest, or maybe Javon Ringer - RB - from Michigan State....they are saying he is a late 2nd or 3rd round pick......but that is the only position on O that we don't have speed......like someone says above...just not sure what we have in harrison......has looked really good insome games......maybe insert him more into the game plan.....then go defense again in the 2nd with a DB maybe.......
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I really believe that Harrison is a beast waiting to get his fair amount of opportunities .
I also see the same thing in Atlanta with Jerious Norwood ...
I'd love a combo of Jacobs with Harrison getting 10 touches a game ..
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Goal line? I don't know. I've seen him "pitter pat" at the goal line before and that is not what we need in that type of situation. He certainly has the size and with that is strong enough, but he needs to follow the play (and usually Vickers) instead of looking for a crease / cutback. That's not to say that Jamal can't do it, but he has to change his approach for that situation.
As for Ward, I don't know. In most instances our offense does produce when healthy. While our line can pass protect, I believe an upgrade to benefit running may be better than another back. We all know we missed Rhino (Tucker) this season. I didn't see any hint that Jamal has lost his legs.
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Gamble already signed a 6 year extension with Carolina this year .
That sucks......their goes that theory...LOL
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I really believe that Harrison is a beast waiting to get his fair amount of opportunities .
I also see the same thing in Atlanta with Jerious Norwood ...
I'd love a combo of Jacobs with Harrison getting 10 touches a game ..
I'd just soon keep Lewis than get Jacobs......Lewis stays healty even know Jacobs is younger
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I'd rather trade DA to the Jets for Leon Washington, thats if they would bite.
yeah, that would be a GREAT move......but I don't think the would entertain that idea even a little......
Not even if Favre retires?
The Browns have Cribbs signed for around #1million a year for the next 5 years. Yeah he wants a bigger contract, but now he has to show the new regime what he can do under his current contract. If I were a new GM, I would double what he makes a year immediately. At $2 mill a year, hes still a bargain. That should keep him out of the papers for a season or 2. So we wouldnt need Washingtons return game.
I also think we have a good enough slasher/beat men to the corners in Harrison.
Cribbs this year didn't really do much at all...I know he was hurt and chalk it up to a bad year......but I agree, if he is healty, he is just as dangerous return guy as Leon is.....but Leon brings an element in the running/passing game that is really explosive......Harrison might have that in him, but we haven't saw enough of him to really see........
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I don't know if he's the next Turner, as I don't know if he's as durable. I think Turner's build allows him to take a bit more.
But, he's very intriguing, and with a new regime stepping in, I'm sure they will be moving bodies out of Berea, and I think the guy could help us out.
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as for Ward. I'd take him to but I think he's going to want a 5 or 6 year deal because this could be his last chance at a big contract... not sure if I like that.
Me neither. He's very versatile. But not the "every down RB" I think we need. More of a change of pace guy.
And people might want to consider this....................
It's Brandon Jacobs that wears out oposing D's before Ward hits the field. Nah, I wouldn't look in that direction.
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Id like to bring him in....and i didnt realize that he was 28, i was thinking he was younger than that.
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I don't think that Jacobs would help us at all....Jamal Lewis can do the same things that Jacobs does as far as wearing out opponents.....
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I was talking about Ward...
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Oh.....sorry.....Ward would be an interesting prospect...I just wonder if we couldn't get the same sort of production with Harrison say if he touched the ball 15-20 times a game......
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Ward would be a decent pickup if we lose Wright in free agency, but he is not the answer as a top flight starting RB. He has never been able to stay healthy in the limited time he's seen with the Giants.
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Ward would be a decent pickup if we lose Wright in free agency, but he is not the answer as a top flight starting RB. He has never been able to stay healthy in the limited time he's seen with the Giants.
Yeah, I agree 100 %.....definitely not a 3 down back....just throwing out ideas as to what to do and how to fill some holes that Browns have. They got alot of work to do with not much to use to get them.....They have their 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th picks....and either DA or Quinn to use as trade bait.....I don't suggest trading Quinn, but they need to move one of them.....with the History Shanahan has with QB's....maybe he would prefer DA over Quinn...based soley upon his arm strength...that of course assuming they sign Shanahan as the coach...
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Just for salary cap reasons... I say we leave Ward alone, and put our attention to our own Jerome Harrison. He has great potential to do some positive things for this team. He's been contributing.
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Just for salary cap reasons... I say we leave Ward alone, and put our attention to our own Jerome Harrison. He has great potential to do some positive things for this team. He's been contributing.
I agree, leave Ward alone, give Harrison like 15-20 touches.....and like above, depending on the cap hit from Stallunworthy, trade, cut, redo the contract, or something with him....The offensive capabilities are there, the new coach has just got to use it.....I say focus the attention on the defense....we got alot of baggage there to clean out, and some good talent that is just a little ruff around the edges......I think by adding a few key players, there is no reason we can't have at least a top 15 or so defense....If the offense could just stay on the field longer than 10 minutes a game, that would helop them too....
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I appreciate everyone's thoughts and input. Good discussion and glad it was started. After all that has been said, I agree to leave it alone. We need to know what we have in Harrison and I really hope Lewis has some legs left for another year. I think he'd be more effective if carries were limited, ala The Bus.
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He had a few tackles... a couple nice takedowns... but nothing special...
Penn St.'s o-line went after him every play, and took him out of the game by doing so. Didn't shed too many blocks either.
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Looked like he over ran alot of plays and was easly blocked trying to comeback into the play.
The DE from Penn St. to me is a hands off, the guy is very inmature and was driven out of alot of plays, totally man handled,
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I had rather make a push for Chester Taylor again. Dont know the contract or anything but i know he signed about 2-3 years ago. He might be tradable the least.
I love his style and what he brings...he aint young but he can split with (again) with Lewis and still have Harrison in the mix.
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Lets not spend alot of $$$ on a area of our team which is dueable or we can live with for another year or two. I'd like to upgrade from a J.Wright but lets spend the money on a couple LB's or DB's
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HotB and Clay - thanks for the update on that. Overpursuit and being undisciplined in his gab assignment has been the knock that I've read on him before.
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That could have been the deciding factor on who Cleveland takes #1.....neither Curry or Maualuga had what you would call a stellar game......I still think they take one of them though........
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