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Man .. I was just poking around the Browns main site, and went into the coaching section. naturally, Crennel's name is gone ..... but the assistants remain. Who are they? Well ...... sit down because the list is 20 persons long.  link Assistant Coach Rob Chudzinski Offensive Coordinator Mel Tucker Defensive Coordinator Ted Daisher Special Teams Coordinator Dave Atkins Senior Offensive Assistant Coach Chris Caminiti Assistant Special Teams Coach Wes Chandler Wide Receivers coach Alan DeGennaro Assistant Strength and Conditioning Coach Mike Haluchak Linebackers Coach Umberto Leone Defensive Quality Control Coach Anthony Lynn Running Backs Coach Steve Marshall Offensive Line Coach Richard McNutt Assistant Defensive Backs Coach Randy Melvin Defensive Line Coach Tom Myslinski Strength and Conditioning Coach Alfredo Roberts Tight Ends Coach Rip Scherer Assistant Head Coach and Quarterbacks Coach Mike Sullivan Assistant Offensive Line Coach Bob Trott Defensive Assistant Coach Cory Undlin Defensive Backs Coach Frank Verducci Offensive Assistant Coach Is this a case of subtraction by addition? Do we really need a defensive quality control coach ...... and a defensive assistant coach ..... and an assistant defensive backs coach ... for example? Do coaches voices get drowned out by the other 20 or so guys on the sidelines? Are there cases of information overload because there are so many voices on the sidelines? Do players get confused because of this? Is it really necessary to have 1 coach on the sidelines for every 2.5 (approx) players? is this counterproductive? I really don't know .... but I would have to think that 21 coaches on the sidlines is quite a few too many. I think that it would be like an experiment we did in high school once .... where we started a fact at one end of the classroom .... and each person whispered it to the next. By the time it got to the other end ..... it was unrecognizable compared to what it started out as. Does this happen with 20 or more coaches involved in passing along information to players at a moment's notice during games?
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21 coaches and they still can't manage the ... clock, make half-time adjustments or pull the trigger on even the most basic in game decisions.
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21 coaches and they still can't manage the ... clock, make half-time adjustments or pull the trigger on even the most basic in game decisions.
May be we just needed 22
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Of all those names, I would like to see Tucker, Dashier and Chud kept by the new regime. But Tucker and Chud would have to take a step back. Put Tucker back to coaching the secondary and Chud coaching TEs.
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From what I've gathered since Phil's departure, he was something of a SUPER micro manager.
The more I see, the firmer I am in that belief.
JMHO
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That's flippen insane...
I did notice NE has an Asst S&C Coach...OK
But no other ASST Coaches unless they are just that...But not 2 Coaches for any 1 unit...
This will be majorly cleaned up I'd bet...
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I think this proves that Lerner is willing to spend what his football people say he needs to spend.. Contrary to some folks beliefs.....
Just another reason that this job can be very attractive.
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Wow! Too much by much! Let's see. I would have one for tackling, one for running, one for catching, one for blitzing, one for firing. Ought to be plenty of improvement. Well, blocking, and coverage too. But THOSE are what we need. How the hell can you make decisions with this many people, eliminate so few GLARING weaknesses, and be so bad? Committee projects are bad in the biz world; same here? Quite a list!
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It is too specialized...no wonder it is hard to build a team concept with all these guys locked up in various rooms covering the assignments.
I can see maybe 12-15 members of the coaching staff tops....the top 3....then maybe 5 or 6 tops on each side of the ball.....I also think the H/C should always be in charge of special teams...those are usually your young guys...what better way to get to know them and find out who can play the way you want, and who can't?
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HC, DC, OC, RBs, QB, o-line, WRs, TEs, secondary, d-line, LBs, specail teams, strength and condiotioning
Thats 13, what else do you need?
I wonder what the NFL average is?
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You have to know what the coaches do for the team before you can eliminate them. An assistant coach might be a schlub that gets coffee and gatorade, or carries around the coaches clipboard.
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An assistant coach might be a schlub that gets coffee and gatorade,
Well then that's good....UF has made 70 or so million dollars in royalties from the sale of Gatorade. 
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Richard McNutt Assistant Defensive Backs Coach
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From what I've gathered since Phil's departure, he was something of a SUPER micro manager.
The more I see, the firmer I am in that belief.
JMHO
And if this is the case, you are so right.... There are companies where u can micro and not. And the NFL is one company you can not.
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HC, DC, OC, RBs, QB, o-line, WRs, TEs, secondary, d-line, LBs, specail teams, strength and condiotioning
Thats 13, what else do you need?
I wonder what the NFL average is?
18.625 if my math and the couple of estimations I made due to coaches being fired already (I added one for the teams that have fired the HC or the assts. that I remembered being fired. Feel free to check my math.
Here's the list from each teams official webpage, except for Detroit since I couldn't find it there.
Pit 16*
Cle 21
Ind 19*
NYG 19*
NE 13
MIA 18*
NYJ 21
Dal 16
Buf 18
Phi 21*
Was 18
Cin 17
Bal 21*
GB 21
Min 24*
Chi 18
Det 19
Ten 18*
Jac 17
TB 20
Hou 21
Atl 20*
NO 19
Car 16*
SD 17*
KC 17
Oak 20
Den 21
Ari 16*
SF 18
Sea 20
StL 19
The one's with the asterisk are playoff teams this year, their avg. is 18.75.
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That is absolutely crazy........the ASST. coaches must be the secretaries for the real coaches, they just give them a fancy title. But, if the league average is 18.75, then I guess we are not far from it......just seems crazy.......  ...the funny thing about the list is...the lowest amount is 16.....the teams with 16 or close to that are all good teams....and like you said earlier, is it to many voices for the players to listen to........I would think so....I can assure you that if I'm a DB, and I have to report to a Defensive coord, an assit. def. coord., a DB coach. an assit DB coach, a strength and conditioning coach, an assit. strength and conditioning coach, I'm gonna be like C'MON MMMMAAAANNNN........ 
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Too many cooks in the kitchen..and you know what that means.. 
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It doesn't surprise me at all to see New England with the lowest at 13. Just more confirmation of how much control BB has with that team.
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Maybe he is just good at recognizing a talented coach.
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Maybe he is just good at recognizing a talented coach.
Not only that, I think he is just that good at recognizing talent across the board.....this guy doesn't get enough credit for what he does...I would love to be a fly on the wall inside the PATS organization just to see who pulls the strings.....
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I'm not sure it's a matter of too many or too few.. it's a matter of recognizing the chain of command and people exercising the proper authority... in Cleveland it seemed that there was a lack of leadership at the top and if that happens, then yes I can understand the voices getting muddled and the players not knowing who to respond to.
But obviously the more voices you have, the harder it is to keep everybody on the same page.
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in Cleveland it seemed that there was a lack of leadership at the top and if that happens, then yes I can understand the voices getting muddled and the players not knowing who to respond to.
I don't know about a lack of leadership, but if RAC and Opie were at odds in the selection of players (which we now know for sure that they were) and you combine this with the different comments received from some of the powers that be in regard to the Winslow debacle mid-season and the confusion therein, then it would seem that there were internal struggles going on that would make the lines even less clear.
The RAC contract extension having him report to Opie and the John Collins debacle also indicate this.
Not necessarily a lack of leadership but a few people fighting for authority......in hindisght, I bet RAC is wishing he would have told them to shove the extension up their ass if it required him to report to Opie, but I imagine he thought he could work under those conditions and still get the job done. Just my speculative rambling thoughts.....
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Which leads one to think...Me anyways...That this "Disfunctional" thing has been nipped in the butt...
Now u turn to the players...Even tho Crennel wanted this and that...Savage gave him this...Flexibility in the player...Now we see exactly what the new guys think of said players...
I don't think we'll see but 5 or 6 different starters come September...JMFUHO tho...
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I agree.....a few starters from the draft.....maybe 1 or 2 from FA.....then I expect some things to change from position battles as well.......
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