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McDaniels, Tucker make their case for Browns' coaching vacancy; McKay delays interview
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter
Friday January 02, 2009, 6:11 PM
UPDATED: 10:38 p.m.
CLEVELAND -- New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker interviewed for the Browns' head coach position with owner Randy Lerner on Friday.
Also, Browns director of player personnel T.J. McCreight was formally interviewed for the position of general manager.
Meanwhile, a source said that Rich McKay, Atlanta Falcons president, will not agree to an interview for the general manager job until the Falcons are out of the playoffs. Atlanta plays at Arizona in an NFC wildcard game Saturday.
McKay has been immersed in his team's season and is not prepared to sit down for an interview, the source said. As long as Atlanta advances, it lessens McKay's candidacy because Lerner seems bent on acting fast.
Scott Pioli, Lerner's original top choice for the GM position, was scheduled to be interviewed for a similar vacancy with Kansas City on Monday. That interview may be pushed up to Saturday at Pioli's request, however, so that he can make a choice between the Browns and Chiefs,
the source said.
McDaniels, the former John Carroll University receiver and Canton native, was the third coaching candidate interviewed and Tucker the fourth. Tennessee defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz will be the fifth candidate to receive an interview Saturday.
Previous interviews were given to fired Jets coach Eric Mangini and Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.
Tucker is the first minority candidate interviewed. It puts the Browns in compliance with the NFL's "Rooney Rule." The Browns had laid some groundwork for other interviews with minority candidates but have not yet acted on them.
McCreight is hoping to ascend to the general manager position vacated by the firing of Phil Savage. McCreight joined Savage from Baltimore in 2005 and eventually displaced Bill Rees as director of player personnel. McCreight has been in charge of the personnel department since Savage was fired last weekend.
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Lerner, McDaniels talk: McKinley grad could help Quinn
By Steve Doerschuk
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Posted Jan 02, 2009 @ 10:35 PM
BEREA —
That New England triangle — Pioli, Mangini and McDaniels — became the focus as Randy Lerner wrapped up the first week of his great talent search.
The Browns’ owner interviewed Josh McDaniels for the Browns’ head coaching opening Friday, as he suggested he would on Monday.
Lerner interviewed Scott Pioli for the GM job and Eric Mangini for the head coaching job earlier in the week. Pioli, Mangini and McDaniels were together on the Patriots’ last Super Bowl winner, in the 2004 season.
One view of a Browns’ dream team would be:
* Pioli in the GM spot, applying his nine years with the Patriots (they are 116-45 in that span with four Super Bowl trips) to Cleveland.
* McDaniels as head coach, the only way he would come to Cleveland, since he already is offensive coordinator with the Patriots.
* Mangini helping to run the defense, if he can’t get a head coaching job elsewhere in 2009 — and indications are he won’t.
* Romeo Crennel helping with the defense. Crennel is willing to stay, although roles would have to be worked out, and he and Mangini are good friends.
That is far from the only view.
Lerner is arranging assorted options that might have to be pursued.
He interviewed hot coaching candidate Steve Spagnuolo on New Year’s Eve, knowing he had to catch the Giants’ defensive coordinator this week or risk losing the opportunity until after the Super Bowl.
He isn’t saying what’s up with Kirk Ferentz, who has revived his career at Iowa and became a Pioli ally when they worked together on Bill Belichick’s Browns in the 1990s.
McDaniels might be a great fit for Browns quarterback Brady Quinn.
“I know him through Charlie Weis,” Quinn said this week.
McDaniels was quarterbacks coach on New England’s last Super Bowl winner, when Weis was offensive coordinator. Weis then jumped to Notre Dame, where his quarterback in 2004 and ‘05 was Quinn.
McDaniels winning the Cleveland head coaching job might be a best-case scenario for Quinn in terms of landing in an offense he can pick up in a snap.
McDaniels has the mind of a quarterback. He excelled at the position at Canton McKinley, where his father was the head coach, himself a former quarterback.
McDaniels began working with Tom Brady as New England’s quarterbacks coach when Brady was already established. However, McDaniels greatly enhanced his resume this year when Brady went on injured reserve early, and Matt Cassel became one of the league’s top passers despite not starting since high school.
McDaniels’ potential to stabilize a position that has mostly been a disaster in Cleveland is a major selling point.
The big question with McDaniels is the readiness factor. At 32, he would be the youngest head coach in the league.
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Scott Pioli, Lerner's original top choice for the GM position, was scheduled to be interviewed for a similar vacancy with Kansas City on Monday. That interview may be pushed up to Saturday at Pioli's request, however, so that he can make a choice between the Browns and Chiefs,
the source said.
Given the fact that Pioli would not have the coaching staff he wanted, if he took the Chiefs job, it's hard to see Pioli choose the Chiefs over the Browns.
UNLESS, the Chiefs allow Pioli to clear the deck of Herm Edwards and his staff.
In the mean time, Lerner is doing all he can by interviewing candidates for the HC position. It is important that Lerner plan for the possibility that Pioli does not take his offer.
Lerner could promote from within the organization to fill the GM opening as well as take a look at other GM candidates. There is always a possibility that Shannahan might be interviewed for one (HC) or both (HC/GM) opening.
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One of the most remarkable feats of survival so far IS Herm Edwards in KC.
Stunning that he has not been let go yet!
My guess is them and the Raiders will look hard into Shanahan.
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old...tell me about it...that guy has a line of bull 10 miles long.
It may be that the KC ownership does not want to dismiss Herm, thinking it would look better if their new GM did it.
That could be one reason Pioli might say no to the Chiefs.
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The big question with McDaniels is the readiness factor. At 32, he would be the youngest head coach in the league.
and that's the part that scares me. I love the fact that he thinks like a QB but I think that's more important as an OC than the actual HC though.
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It is hard to say what exactly Pioli is going to find attractive and be the deal sealer for him.
I clearly understand his desire to get the best situation in his eyes, but this cat and mouse stuff is getting a bit old. He has been doing this with teams for a few years now. Maybe he isn't confident enough to leave from under Bellichecks wing....or is simply loyal to him...who knows?
At any rate, I like the fact lerner is covering all the bases in his effort to find what is best for him and for the Browns.
I guess we are all anxious to have something happen, but at least until people start taking jobs or it starts to get more than a few weeks past the Super bowl, there really isn't a big hurry at this point. A few more weeks here isn't going to set the team back anymore than it already has.
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The big question with McDaniels is the readiness factor. At 32, he would be the youngest head coach in the league.
and that's the part that scares me. I love the fact that he thinks like a QB but I think that's more important as an OC than the actual HC though.
The age thing doesn't worry me any more than if we hired someone 62 years old.
If you have the plan and the ability, I don't think a young age or lack of actual head coaching experience would preclude someone from doing a good job.
I remember when people talked about Don Shula being the youngest coach in the league.
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I don't know if I should put this here or start a new thread.. I think I'll error on the side of "fewer threads are better"!  I was trying to look at the attraction of each of the 3 GM jobs out there right now. Cleveland, KC and Denver has to be thrown into the mix I think. Cleveland: Two Young QB's, the start of a Oline that needs some tweaking maybe, a young RB in Harrison that shows promise and an old Vet that if handled correctly could still be useful.. They also have a good WR if he gets is head on right. At TE you have KW and a host of others. THey need help on the Line and WR and one more reliable RB to maybe take them over the top.. Oh, and they need a decision at QB. On Defense, they have the makings of a decent line but the LB's need help. They need to work on the Secondary as well, but they do have two young guys at DB that could improve still. Cleveland is a team that is just one year removed from 10-6 and a gnats eyelash from the playoffs. And this year, they are going to have what appears to be an easier schedule than they did last year. This is a team that with minor tweaks might have a 9 or 10 win season next year. That gives a GM and HC basically two more drafts and two more FA signing periods and two Training camps to make a difference in the club. They have some decent coaches on staff already and could end up not having to completely clean house althought I suspect that most will go. They have great facilities in Berea and the stadium is still considered new. They also have one of the most rabid fan bases in the sport. I see only one real drawback to Cleveland,, young and inexperienced ownership. I'm not knocking Randy Lerner.. He seems to be giving it his all to try and get us the guys we need. But being so young and lacking years and years of ownership experience, he's bound to make a few mistakes along the way. That might be a detriment. I won't go into detail about Denver or KC cause I don't know nearly as much about them, but on the surface, only Denver has as interesting an opportunity. The difference might be that in KC, whoever gets that job is going to have more time. Cause they are going to need it. That might be attractive to some GM types. I think Pioli would be nuts to take the KC job unless he wants to start from scratch. But the Denver job would be pretty enticing I would think.
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I've warmed up to McDaniels. I think he would be a good fit for developing Quinn. I also like the pats offense. not cute just get it done type stuff. The only thing i'd worry about is some bad apples being too much of a handful for a young coach.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I remember when people talked about Don Shula being the youngest coach in the league. Man, you're older than dirt......  Me, too.......  I agree that age doesn't bother me. Up to a point. I just worry that any guy who hasn't been a HC before will be making his "rookie" mistakes on our dime (so to speak) like Belichick did, then move on to someone else and correct those mistakes and take them to the promised land. That would be really hard to take. Again.
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I would go hard for Shanahan. Have him as HC with roster control. Promote TJ McCreight to GM give him draft control. I think you get your experienced leader/HC and you also keep your best personnel man.
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I clearly understand his desire to get the best situation in his eyes, but this cat and mouse stuff is getting a bit old. He has been doing this with teams for a few years now. Maybe he isn't confident enough to leave from under Bellichecks wing....or is simply loyal to him...who knows?
Peen...IMO, you may have hit the nail on the head with your take, above.
It seems that Pioli may be stretching this out just to buy himself more time because he's having trouble cutting the apron strings that have tie him to NE.
One fact we need to remember about Pioli, yes he is experienced in area of personnel going back to 1992 when he started with the Browns. But, Pioli is only 43 years old...thus, I can understand some apprehension to take the step of going it alone.
Peen, I hope Pioli realizes the best job for him is with the Browns. He could own the city, state and maybe even a piece of the team some day, if he can turn the franchise into a consistent winner.
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I would go hard for Shanahan. Have him as HC with roster control. Promote TJ McCreight to GM give him draft control. I think you get your experienced leader/HC and you also keep your best personnel man.
Shanahan became #1 on my list when he was fired.
They call him Coach Teflon for a reason, he's that good.
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One of the most remarkable feats of survival so far IS Herm Edwards in KC.
Stunning that he has not been let go yet!
My guess is them and the Raiders will look hard into Shanahan.
Oh don't worry, he'll get fired after they hire their GM.
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I see only one real drawback to Cleveland,, young and inexperienced ownership. I'm not knocking Randy Lerner.. He seems to be giving it his all to try and get us the guys we need. But being so young and lacking years and years of ownership experience, he's bound to make a few mistakes along the way.
Daman...I agree with all the attractive advantages the GM job in Cleveland comes with.
What more could a GM want?....
As for Lerner, I don't see him as a determent or negative at all. Yes he is inexperienced as an owner but no one can say he has not failed to support those who are running his team.
One negative that might be an issue to Pioli are the high expectation the fans and media have and the criticism that could result if those high expectations take longer than expected.
Pioli or whomever takes the GM job will need to have a thick skin if they take a job with the Browns.
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The big question with McDaniels is the readiness factor. At 32, he would be the youngest head coach in the league.
and that's the part that scares me. I love the fact that he thinks like a QB but I think that's more important as an OC than the actual HC though.
j/c But to you too......
OC's boss isn't as important as one of those working under the HC? Some of these posts crack me up! We've had a college coach. We've had a "QB gurur" in Palmer. We've HAD one of the most successfull DC's in the NFL.
But people keep promoting the very same formula of failure that we've already seen. I find it simply amazing how desperation and futility cause people to promote the road to proven failure.
You want youth? Fine. But without experience? In Mangini you get the best of both worlds. Youth and experience. A guy who has proven he can win given talent. And one who is even willing to call Brett Favre on the carpet! Like we couldn't use some of that around here on OUR "wanna be pri maddona's"?
Just find somebody who can draft talent and work with him.
Every week I saw people either praise or criticise RAC based on the fact he was the boss, in charge of the coaching staff. Now? The HC position is less important that his OC and DC?
I believe many of you could use a valium to help get your heads right.
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I've warmed up to McDaniels. I think he would be a good fit for developing Quinn.
It seems I've heard that somewhere before? In 99 perhaps?
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And we liked that Pats D when RAC came here too.
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Mangini :... I know your on the bandwagon !  .. I keep asking myself what is it about this guy that I don't like ( and I just don't  ) I think I have him in the same mold as RAC. # 1 whom I was never in favor of .. ... The guy had his team on the way to the playoffs and let it slip ( crash ) away .. Bret was playing like ... and he refused to make the change # 2 ... I know , not much of a back up ; Maybe the FO. was telling him No ! .. I guess I want a guy with Big ones , who , if going down , is going down in Style , his way ... ... I always felt guys like Cohwer or Marty where cut from that cloth.. Paul Brown ! And I don't want anything to do with RAC. Period ! ... You know what they say about opinions ..
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Especially unfounded one's, yes. He was strapped with Favre. And he was the fall guy. BTW- I didn't know RAC lead the Browns to the playoffs. And I never saw RAC calling his players on the carpet. But don't let facts get in your way of your opinion.
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Yeah I really don't see how Mangini is in anyway comparable to RAC other than they were both D-Coordinators for the Pats, Mangini reminds me more of Bellichick than he does RAC
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BTW- He will be the "next Bellicheck". If not here, elsewhere. Look at the scenarios? Eerily similar. Only WE would be his "second team". Just Like New England was. Hopefully the people who really count can see that.
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I would go hard for Shanahan. Have him as HC with roster control. Promote TJ McCreight to GM give him draft control. I think you get your experienced leader/HC and you also keep your best personnel man.
I agree. I like your thinking.
Shanahan just turned down the Jets. Not sure what that means (if anything) for Cleveland.
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Former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan won't be a Jet this year.
First, the Jets were spurned by Bill Cowher. Now their brief flirtation with Mike Shanahan is over, according to an NFL source.
The Jets made a play for Shanahan, who was unexpectedly fired on Tuesday by the Broncos, but he rebuffed their overtures. The two-time Super Bowl champion coach is taking a two-week vacation and he's not planning to speak with any prospective employers until he returns, he told the NFL Network.
With the two biggest names on the coaching market out of reach, the Jets are focusing their search on top assistants, namely Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, the presumed front-runner. Spagnuolo, also drawing interest from the Broncos, will interview Saturday at the Jets' facility in Florham Park, N.J.
Meanwhile, new details of the Jets' quick and ill-fated courtship of Cowher have come to light. He had agreed Tuesday to speak with the Jets about their vacancy, but he withdrew his name from consideration several hours later because, in part, he wasn't able to speak directly with owner Woody Johnson, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.
"Bill Cowher easily could've been enticed to coach if Woody Johnson would've taken a sit-down meeting with him," the person said. "Cowher's camp was told that Woody was out of the country and couldn't have a sit-down with him."
Chances are, it wouldn't have changed the outcome, according to a person close to Cowher, but the "Where's Woody?" routine apparently was the last straw for the former Steelers coach.
Johnson is out of the country, a person familiar with the search confirmed, adding that Johnson speaks several times a day with GM Mike Tannenbaum. Cowher-to-the-Jets was a longshot from the outset - he apparently will remain a CBS studio analyst for at least another year - but face time with Johnson might have helped the Jets' chances. He never had a phone conversation with the owner.
Tannenbaum is the point man in the coaching search, although Johnson was willing to make himself available to speak with Cowher, according to a person close to the team.
Johnson didn't participate in Friday's interviews with the two in-house candidates, offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and offensive-line coach Bill Callahan. He also won't be involved in this morning's sit-down with Spagnuolo, but Johnson will review notes from the sessions and is expected to step in for the second round of interviews, when the field is narrowed.
A potential Jets-Shanahan marriage never seemed likely. The Jets performed their "due diligence," according to a person familiar with the search, but it never advanced to the serious stage. Shanahan probably will seek a job where he can have final say on personnel, a power he held in Denver, and that doesn't fit in with Johnson's organizational philosophy. That, too, may have been an issue for Cowher.
Meanwhile, the Jets' focus turns to Spagnuolo, who will have spoken to four teams before the Giants' playoff bye week is over. He met Thursday with the Browns and Lions, and Broncos owner Pat Bowlen is slated to have dinner with him Saturday night.
The Jets may have a small home-field advantage over the other interested teams because they will be able to show off their state-of-the-art facility. By league rule, the other teams were required to fly into town for the interviews.
The Broncos could be the Jets' stiffest competition because they have a better quarterback situation and they might be willing to take Spagnuolo and his close friend, Eagles GM Tom Heckert, as a package deal. Then again, the Jets have assistant GM Scott Cohen, a former personnel man for the Eagles, Spagnuolo's previous team.
The Jets also plan to interview Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan, but they may have to wait because the Ravens are in the playoffs. Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera and Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier remain on the back burner. Contrary to a report by profootballtalk.com, Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker isn't a candidate.
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I agree completely. I have been thinking about TJ since Savage was fired since he knows the roster better than anyone you could bring in at this point.
Shanny has been my choice for coach since he was fired. He has the most experience plus offers discipline - something this team needs most.
Bring in Mangini as asst head coach and DC. Groom him to take over someday. Not sure if he would do this but his choices for HC dont look great this year. Shanny needs help with his D and "Mangenious" might help the most.
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What ever happened to Heckert?
We were hot for him 4 years ago.
The Eagles don't make big splashes in acquiring talent,but they make very few mistakes.A guy like Heckert would help the Browns out.
I'm just wondering why we haven't heard his name.
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I've just been sitting back and reading the threads the last few days, but I have to say that your opinion most closely mirrors mine. Enough with the inexperienced crap.
I believe Lerner really wants to get this right, and I believe that he believes he is acting in the best interests of the Browns. Whether he is competent enough to pull it off remains to be seen.
But if I were him, I'd cease on the Pioli talks and tell him to go pound sand. I want no part of this guy. It starts with wanting Ferentz as coach and continues with what seems like a "my chit don't stink" attitude. Screw him. If he thinks a college coach is going to come in here and give this fanbase what they deserve, I want no part of this guy.
I would do whatever it took to get Shanahan here. Whatever it took. If it doesn't happen, get Mangini in here. Those should be the first two options. Figure out the rest of the front office afterward. I know that sounds bassakwards, but the other way doesn't guarantee success either. We need a proven coach more than anything. It's what we've lacked since the return. That should be priority number one.
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Heckert and Spagnuolo is the combination that no one in Berea wants to talk about. Take it for what its worth.
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What are you implying by that?
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In a hurry to make a decision, then all is quiet. One interviews and other was the hot name not so long ago and btw they are very very tight from Spag's days under Jim Johnson.
With both in playoffs, it makes it a touchy situation but similar situation occured with Savage and Romeo when they were hired. They interviewed and all went quiet about them while other names were being floated. Savage was hired and Romeo was then all but crowned.
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I agree with you on Pioli IF the Ferentz/McDaniels (either and or) are Randy's stickling point and support Randy in that line of thinking. Along with you, I firmly believe that NO college coach OR 32 year old Cordinator can come in here and pull this all together.
I like Shanahan. In fact, Shanahan MAY command enough respect to get Mangini to work with him as DC. I guess that would all hinge on what other offers out there that may be afforded Mangini. But I feel he will land with a HC position somewhere in the NFL if he so desires.
And I know it may sound a little bassackwards. But if you can find a good talent evaluater to work out an agreement as GM with shared responsabilities with the HC? I think Shanahan might like to back off and concentrate on coaching and focus in that area.
It's all a crap shoot right now. But every time I hear people pimping innexperience combind with youth? It's a damned scarey feeling that it just might happen from where I'm sitting.
But I agree, I think Randy KNOWS he's gotta get it right this time or it's gonna cost him big time.
JMHO
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I think we ALL can agree what is needed to appease Browns Fans  ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) We Must hire an experienced HC & Staff who have had Success in the NFL.... 2) We Must hire a GM who Mr. Lerner can not only get along with , but one who can also Evaluate Talent and manage the Cap.....IMHO Mr.Savage was only able to do the last two , and that was Unfortunate..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am afraid that IF Mr. Lerner's need to put an emphasis on his personal relations over choosing the guys who could Really improve the team continues , we ALL could be in for a long road ahead with no light at the end of the tunnel  ....All we can do is keep our  that he comes to his senses.....
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.. " But don't let facts get in your way of your opinion. " .. " Since when did facts have anything to do with My Opinion ? .. Still don't like the way he handled the Jets this season
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Shanahan has the most experience out of all the contenders Pit, but what has he done lately?
He blew a huge division lead in the final weeks this season, he hasn't won the big one since Elway played, his defense has been awful, which has been our problem. He's made questionable personnel moves, like taking all our defensive cast offs.... Lang, Warren, Ekuban, Myers, etc.... He's really not met expetations placed on his team recently. Bringing a long-tenured coach doesn't always amount to success Pit.
I'm preferring Mangini right now if Pioli is brought in. I'd love to see Romeo head the D. If Pioli doesn't take it, Spagnuolo was a guy I had liked for a while.
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I've looked at that. And I just can't buy that his hands weren't tied. I just feel people fail to grasp the evolution that's taken place in the NFL. These aren't the 60's or the 70's. Most often things aren't handled strictly along the "what's best for the team in the long haul" lines. We're talking players being multi-millionaires from day 1. This isn't small potato's anymore. This is big business. And the Lerner family already have a three strikes and you're out legacy at the foundation of their ownership of the Browns. Not a very inviable position to be in. Look at Mangini. A first time NFL HC in a city like NY. How much real clout does that command within an organisation like the Jets? Do you really think a first time NFL HC wants a guy at QB on the back end of his career to lay his future in? I simply refuse to buy that. IMO Favre was a business move for the short haul by the guys pulling the purse strings. Joe Montana was living proof of what happens in such a scenario. There's no way I buy into the fact that a first time NFL HC had the power to rebuff the owner or GM's demands in that department. Or don't you think throwing eight int's in December by Favre as the biggest culprit of why Mangini isn't a playoff HC right now? He may "rub you the wrong way" or you may "not like how he handled the Jets this year". But would you like to be a little more specific rather than give out vague concepts? 
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First you want " Facts " , now you have a problem with " vague concepts".. I guess a " Gut feeling " would be totally out of the question ?? For the record , I think the FO. of the Jets is a joke ..
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I'm preferring Mangini right now if Pioli is brought in. I'd love to see Romeo head the D. If Pioli doesn't take it, Spagnuolo was a guy I had liked for a while.
Why would Spag suddenly be a better HC than Mangini based on who the GM is? That's kind of my point.
Do we just swallow whoever the GM's "flavor of the month" HC candidate is to get a deal? Or do we make sure the HC is the right guy first?
IMO- You say "pick A,B,C".
Lerner can make it OBVIOUS to ANY GM worth a crap the position he's in. He must hire experience at the HC position because of our situation and the financial well being of this corperation moving forward. That the fan base demands accountability this time and he MUST get it right!
IMO- That's what he needs to do. Give them a choice on the new HC, but set perameters they can choose from going forward.
Once Randy finds a GM candidate that is qualified that is willing to work based on that structure, He'd be my guy for GM. Pioli, Reese and there are a few more. It's not like it's Pioli or bust. like some seem to make it sound.
So why settle for innexperience at HC?
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I guess a " Gut feeling " would be totally out of the question ??
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Me too. Which makes it all the more tough for Mangini to be expected to do any better. In his first three years as an NFL HC and what he had to work with?
Just looks like a very promising future for him IMO
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I hope Mel Tucker is our next HC. Did you guys see what he did with the DBs last year?
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My only concern with Mangini is really his loyalty. The stuff with the Pats, i mean if he comes here then decides to leave for a college job what stops him from costing us a draft pick for tampering with a free agent or some bull stuff like that.
Its like hiring the handyman that does great work and he comes real cheap but recently hacked up the family he worked for.
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I'm preferring Mangini right now if Pioli is brought in. I'd love to see Romeo head the D. If Pioli doesn't take it, Spagnuolo was a guy I had liked for a while.
Why would Spag suddenly be a better HC than Mangini based on who the GM is? That's kind of my point.
Because we had an inexperienced GM who wanted to run the show and override the coaches' opinions.
I think guys who are familiar with each other probably would work together a little better, and Mangini would more likely bring in guys he knows, like Romeo to run the D. Which is one reason I like Mangini. Him and Romeo would probably be on the same page, and since all 3 have been around Pioli, most likely they'd be on the same page.
It's not a matter of who would make the best head coach, it's a matter of the whole puzzle fitting together. It's takes more than one piece to make the puzzle a complete picture.
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