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IMO, realizing Clark and Pioli have a bit of a problem on their hands, that neither wants to be responsible for firing Herm Edwards, we get word of the story below, Pioli commenting about Herm...
PIOLI NOT READY TO RULE OUT HERM IN ‘09
Posted by Mike Florio on January 14, 2009, 11:04 p.m. EST
In his introductory press conference as the first new G.M. for the Chiefs franchise in two decades, Scott Pioli wasn’t ready to declare that coach Herm Edwards will be fired.
“Contrary to reports that were out there, we’re going to spend some time talking about Herm,” Pioli said, according to the AP. “I’m actually looking forward to it.”
Conventional wisdom is that a General Manager wants to hire his own head coach. But since, as we pointed out earlier today at SportingNews.com, the biggest decision of Pioli’s tenure as G.M. will be his decision as to the first head coach he hires, maybe it some makes sense to keep Edwards around for a year while Pioli continues to refine his list of potential head-coaching candidates.
Though, on one hand, keeping Edwards could delay Pioli’s ultimate ability to hire his first head coach – especially if the Chiefs excel next season – Pioli could be facing a no-lose proposition if Edwards stays.
If the team wins quickly, Pioli will get credit for recognizing that there was no reason to run Edwards out the door. If the Chiefs continue to struggle, then Edwards goes when his contract expires after the 2009 season, and Pioli gets a grace period before his regime is actually on the clock.
Of course, Pioli would then have to keep Edwards beyond 2009, if Edwards decides not to try to parlay the team’s success into a new job elsewhere (like he did when he jumped from the Jets to the Chiefs in 2006). But if Edwards is willing to do things the way Pioli wants them to be done, and if they develop into an effective team when it comes to acquiring and using players, maybe it can work. (In this regard, Herm might want to think back to his first year with the Jets, when he blue flu’d G.M. Terry Bradway by letting several of the players he signed languish on the bench.)
Regardless of how it turns out, Pioli could score early points with owner Clark Hunt, who probably would prefer not to pay Edwards $3 million not to work this year. Even if the decision is made in the short term to dump Edwards, Pioli should view the exercise as a prime opportunity to demonstrate to ownership the manner in which he attacks a problem, compiles the information necessary to assess the situation, and then makes a logical, well-reasoned decision.
Hunt says that, in the end, the decision will be made jointly by himself and Pioli. Thus, Pioli needs to take this precisely for what it is — a chance to demonstrate respect to the guy who runs the show, and to earn respect from him in the process.
After all, whether or not Edwards coaches the team in 2009 or beyond is secondary to whether Hunt and Pioli establish a bond that will extend for two decades, and possibly beyond.
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No big surprise I guess. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11294199Chiefs decide to move on, fire Edwards Jan. 23, 2009 CBSSports.com wire reports KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Herm Edwards, the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs during the worst two-year span in team history, was fired Friday. Edwards goes out with a three-year regular-season record of 15-33 and with one year remaining on a four-year, $12 million contract. As head coach of the New York Jets in 2001-05, he had a regular-season mark of 39-41 and was 2-3 in the playoffs. Edwards had been waiting to learn his fate since president and general manager Carl Peterson abruptly resigned on Dec. 15. When Scott Pioli was introduced as Peterson's successor on Jan. 13, he was noncommittal and said only that he intended to speak with Edwards. "This was not an easy decision. Herm is an outstanding football coach and a man of integrity. We appreciate his leadership over the past three seasons, and we wish him all the best in the future," Chiefs owner Clark Hunt said in a written statement. Pioli said he has had several conversations with Edwards over the last week. "After careful consideration, Clark and I felt that it was best to make a change," Pioli said. Bob Moore, a spokesman for the team, said the Chiefs didn't have a timeline for replacing Edwards. He said all the assistant coaches still with Kansas City are under contract.
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kansas City Chiefs coach Herm Edwards was fired Friday. And former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan may be in line to replace him. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3855917Not surprising that Shanahan stays in the AFC West. He definitely likes to prove to his previous employers why it was a bad idea to get rid of him.
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kansas City Chiefs coach Herm Edwards was fired Friday. And former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan may be in line to replace him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3855917
Not surprising that Shanahan stays in the AFC West. He definitely likes to prove to his previous employers why it was a bad idea to get rid of him.
Wanna BET me Shanahan DOES NOT go to KC???...Million to One odds...
I know Mort's spewin' it right now...But he's WRONG...For numerous reasons...And he hasn't CONFIRMED aquat as of yet...
Watch...No Shanahan to KC... 
And we'll hear all about "We coulda had Pioli AND Shanahan"...lmao...
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New home for RAC? cowher? All the usual suspects? Gruden perhaps? 
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How many NFL Championship Games has Herm Edwards won,....??
I'm ASKING; not making a point,...
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A lot like RAC. Very nice guy but never really did anything as a head coach
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In his 8 yrs of coaching with the Jets and Chiefs: Games over .500: -20 Super Bowl Wins: 0 Overall Championships: 0 Conference Championships: 0 Division Championships: 1 Playoff Games Coached: 6 Playoff Games Won: 2
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Well... What team is going to fire their head coach next?
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In his 8 yrs of coaching with the Jets and Chiefs:
Games over .500: -20
Super Bowl Wins: 0
Overall Championships: 0
Conference Championships: 0
Division Championships: 1
Playoff Games Coached: 6
Playoff Games Won: 2
No offense but its doesnt make much sense to laugh at other teams misfortunes considering the browns.
Butch Davis and RAC past 8 years combined
Super Bowl Wins: 0
Overall Championships: 0
Conference Championships: 0
Division Championships: 0
Playoff Games Coached: 1
Playoff Games Won: 0
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In his 8 yrs of coaching with the Jets and Chiefs:
Games over .500: -20
Super Bowl Wins: 0
Overall Championships: 0
Conference Championships: 0
Division Championships: 1
Playoff Games Coached: 6
Playoff Games Won: 2
No offense but its doesnt make much sense to laugh at other teams misfortunes considering the browns.
Butch Davis and RAC past 8 years combined
Super Bowl Wins: 0
Overall Championships: 0
Conference Championships: 0
Division Championships: 0
Playoff Games Coached: 1
Playoff Games Won: 0
Sometimes I really hate stark doses of reality, especially on a Friday night.
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Looks like Dawg in Dayton is right. According to Adam Schefter... Quote:
Despite rampant reports that the Chiefs are negotiating with former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan to replace Herm Edwards, they are not, sources said Friday.
The Chiefs never have made any contact with Shanahan — never. And there have been no contract negotiations.
So unless people I have known for years are blatantly lying to me, Shanahan will not be the next coach of the Chiefs. It’s not happening. People can keep talking as if it is, but it’s not. Shanahan will not be the coach of the Chiefs in 2009.
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I would trust Schefter on this one. Him and Shanahan are tight. Schefter wrote Shanahan's biography.
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Does KC have any coaches the Browns might be interested in?
Don't know anything about who coached there.
Just wondering if someone might know.
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Don't know anything about who coached there.
Just wondering if someone might know.
Their OC is Chan Gailey former Dallas Cowboy and Georgia Tech head coach. Other than him I have never heard of any of the other guys. Have a look for yourself, here is the website.
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Tim Krumrie is an ex-Bengal.
Was pretty good till an injury ended his career.
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I can see him doing T.V. for a year and landing a job somewhere next year, either as a H.C. or as an D.C on someone's staff.
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are you saying you never heard of Tim Krumrie?
http://www.kcchiefs.com/coach/tim_krumrie/
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seems to me the chiefs waited a bit too long to make this decision- swartz, spags, mcdaniels have already moved on. Not too mention the o and d coordinators have been picked over as well.
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Please don't make me stop laughing at other teams.
LOL
Its okay, I give you guys permission to laugh at the Chiefs.
I will say this, Shanahan will land in KC. (I know a certain someone on here that will read this and give me some crap later, but Oh Well) An Insider site I'm a member of has been getting tid bits here and there. Some of it has been wrong, as Pioli is trying to weed out the staff that will leak info, but for the most part his info has been pretty accurate. I've "known" about Shanahan for a couple weeks now, and that if Shanahan could not be the new HC in KC; than Herm was going to get a one year extension so Pioli and the Chiefs could bring in good assistants. Nobody would come to KC with a coach in a lame duck year. Now that Herm is fired, Shanahan will land in KC.
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Take it for what its worth, but I don't see Shanahan going to KC. Shanny wants full control and I don't see him relinquishing it to a rookie GM. Also, he is still getting paid like 12mill from the Broncos to do nothing/11 That in itself is enough motivation to just relax for a couple of years.
Sorry bub, it just ain't going to happen. Ferentz or Haley will be your next coach.
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Chiefs | Shanahan update Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:42:05 -0800 Updating previous items, ESPN.com reports a Kansas City Chiefs official told ESPN's Chris Mortensen late Friday, Jan. 23, that he did not believe former Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan would be the team's next head coach. The official fell short of entirely ruling it out. web page
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Take it for what its worth, but I don't see Shanahan going to KC. Shanny wants full control and I don't see him relinquishing it to a rookie GM. Also, he is still getting paid like 12mill from the Broncos to do nothing/11 That in itself is enough motivation to just relax for a couple of years.
Sorry bub, it just ain't going to happen. Ferentz or Haley will be your next coach.
If it isn't Shanny I could see Haley, but Ferentz, no way. His name only came up through pure speculation before Pioli ever left Camelot. Ferentz even admitted at that time that he hadn't talked to Pioli in several weeks, and their last conversation had nothing to do with his possible entry into the NFL. Secondly, if Shanny does not have no aspirations of going to KC or any other team for the 2009 season, he would do what Cowher did and publicly make a statement stating otherwise. Until, Shanahan publicly turns down the job, I will trust my source.
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Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:42:05 -0800
Updating previous items, ESPN.com reports a Kansas City Chiefs official told ESPN's Chris Mortensen late Friday, Jan. 23, that he did not believe former Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan would be the team's next head coach. The official fell short of entirely ruling it out. web page
Now that just put a little needle through my heart. LOL
Thanks for sharing that. I will have to make sure my source sees it so he can have some answers for me. LOL
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From what I'm being told, "deal breaker" is Gailey. Shanny don't want him as the OC and at this time Pioli and Hunt do. My personal opinion is that if this is indeed correct, I hope they let Tampa have Gailey, and bring in Shanny.
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"No offense but its doesnt make much sense to laugh at other teams misfortunes considering the browns"
True, except he took over teams that were contenders. None were ladled with veterans retiring or void of good young talent. Both the Jets and Chiefs were good solid teams that Herm tried to make his own...which didn't turn out to well. Just amazing and the only losing coach that players in a SI poll ranked in the top 5 as HC's they wanted to play for.  The media loved this guy. He could do no wrong. He was the Teflon Don.
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From what I'm being told, "deal breaker" is Gailey. Shanny don't want him as the OC and at this time Pioli and Hunt do. My personal opinion is that if this is indeed correct, I hope they let Tampa have Gailey, and bring in Shanny.
#1...You're ASSuming Shanahan will work with a GM
#2...You're ASSuming Shanahan wants to work in 09
#3...You're ASSuming Pioli would want Shanahan (Pioli was DIRECTLY tied to Ferentz and McDaniels)
#4...You're ASSuming your Contact's info ISN'T coming from Mortenson
#5...I'm FACTING that Mortenson has virtually taken back what he said last night about this
#6...MY Source says it ain't happenin'...Who's MY Source???...COMMON SENSE...lol...
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From what I'm being told, "deal breaker" is Gailey. Shanny don't want him as the OC and at this time Pioli and Hunt do. My personal opinion is that if this is indeed correct, I hope they let Tampa have Gailey, and bring in Shanny.
#1...You're ASSuming Shanahan will work with a GM
#2...You're ASSuming Shanahan wants to work in 09
#3...You're ASSuming Pioli would want Shanahan (Pioli was DIRECTLY tied to Ferentz and McDaniels)
#4...You're ASSuming your Contact's info ISN'T coming from Mortenson
#5...I'm FACTING that Mortenson has virtually taken back what he said last night about this
#6...MY Source says it ain't happenin'...Who's MY Source???...COMMON SENSE...lol...
I'm not ASSuming anything. I'm giving my opinion from information I've been told. But unless information comes out in main stream media it is not FACT is it? Unless ESPN or the NFL network are reporting it, any other information is just hog wash. And my contacts info isn't coming from Mort, my contact has been saying for 2 weeks now that Shanny is the top target. I never posted this stuff before cause I knew I would get ridiculed for it. I wish I didn't post this stuff now cause since it isn't on ESPN or NFL Netowrk, IT can't possibly be right.
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This one from Schefter is as far as u need to go "Chief"... Quote:
Despite rampant reports that the Chiefs are negotiating with former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan to replace Herm Edwards, they are not, sources said Friday.
The Chiefs never have made any contact with Shanahan — never. And there have been no contract negotiations.
So unless people I have known for years are blatantly lying to me, Shanahan will not be the next coach of the Chiefs. It’s not happening. People can keep talking as if it is, but it’s not. Shanahan will not be the coach of the Chiefs in 2009.
Much of this kinda stuff is ASSuming...Denver???...KC???...Division???...Hmmmm...Shanahan to KC...lol...
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This one from Schefter is as far as u need to go "Chief"...
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Despite rampant reports that the Chiefs are negotiating with former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan to replace Herm Edwards, they are not, sources said Friday.
The Chiefs never have made any contact with Shanahan — never. And there have been no contract negotiations.
So unless people I have known for years are blatantly lying to me, Shanahan will not be the next coach of the Chiefs. It’s not happening. People can keep talking as if it is, but it’s not. Shanahan will not be the coach of the Chiefs in 2009.
Much of this kinda stuff is ASSuming...Denver???...KC???...Division???...Hmmmm...Shanahan to KC...lol...
We shall see...Wanna BET???...
I think Schefter is being a bit wishy-washy on this one. I wish he'd take a stance on his pieces.
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This one from Schefter is as far as u need to go "Chief"...
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Despite rampant reports that the Chiefs are negotiating with former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan to replace Herm Edwards, they are not, sources said Friday.
The Chiefs never have made any contact with Shanahan — never. And there have been no contract negotiations.
So unless people I have known for years are blatantly lying to me, Shanahan will not be the next coach of the Chiefs. It’s not happening. People can keep talking as if it is, but it’s not. Shanahan will not be the coach of the Chiefs in 2009.
Much of this kinda stuff is ASSuming...Denver???...KC???...Division???...Hmmmm...Shanahan to KC...lol...
We shall see...Wanna BET???...
So because they are in the same division he won't go to a team in the same division?
Lets see, he was the QB coach for Denver in '84 and '85. Than the OC for Denver in '86 and '87. Than he went to the RAIDERS as the HC '88 and '89. Than went back to Denver as the QB coach again. Than went to the 49ers, than back to Denver.
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No...U can't have him because I WANTED HIM...hehehe...
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No...U can't have him because I WANTED HIM...hehehe...
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Honestly, I started posting cause my hopes are a little high right now. But Peter King is in agreement with Schefter, so I'm becoming less and less optimistic by the moment. I think my source might be getting some bad intel. Now that Pioli is in town, it might be a good idea to not renew my subscription cause there is no point in paying for something when the new boss doesn't allow for leaks in his organization. Oh well, I could be happy with a new comer in Haley, but I'd prefer an experienced HC.
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Despite rampant reports that the Chiefs are negotiating with former Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan to replace Herm Edwards, they are not, sources said Friday.
The Chiefs never have made any contact with Shanahan — never. And there have been no contract negotiations.
So unless people I have known for years are blatantly lying to me, Shanahan will not be the next coach of the Chiefs. It’s not happening. People can keep talking as if it is, but it’s not. Shanahan will not be the coach of the Chiefs in 2009.
I wouldnt give your hopes up yet Chief. A team pretty much has to say this until they interview a minority candidate. You cant have reports out on who the next coach is going to be and not interview a minority candidate. If you do, you might not get a minority to interview.
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