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Source says Mangini is targeting New York Jets assistant coaches
by Mary Kay Cabot
Wednesday January 07, 2009, 10:53 AM
AP File PhotoEric Mangini is reportedly lining up a staff to join him in Cleveland.
CLEVELAND -- Fired New York Jets coach Eric Mangini, frontrunner for the Browns head coaching job, has reportedly talked to at least two of his Jets assistants about joining him in Cleveland, a source with knowledge of the situation told The Plain Dealer.

Mangini has targeted current Jets quarterbacks coach Brian Daboll and current Jets receivers coach Noel Mazzone for key offensive positions with the Browns, the source said.

Mangini is also hoping to hire current Jets offensive coordinator Bill Callahan as his offensive coordinator, the New York Daily News reported. But Callahan, who is well-respected by the Jets, recently interviewed for their head coaching vacancy and might not be let out of his contract.

If Mangini can't land Callahan, he'll most likely turn to Daboll as his offensive coordinator, the source said. In that case, Mazzone, a longtime college quarterbacks coach, would coach the Browns quarterbacks.

Current Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, who runs the same offense that Jets coordinator Brian Schottenheimer ran with the Jets, has not yet talked to Mangini, a source said.

Daboll, 33, has been the Jets quarterbacks coach the past two seasons and was viewed as the heir apparent to Schottenheimer, who recently interviewed for the Jets' head coaching vacancy. Daboll and Mangini worked together in New England under Bill Belichick for six seasons, from 2000-2005, until Mangini took the Jets head coaching job prior to the 2006 season.

Daboll, who also served as a graduate assistant under Nick Saban at Michigan State, spent two seasons as a defensive assistant for the Patriots in 2000-2001 and then served as receivers coach from 2002-2006. When Mangini hired him away from the Patriots after the 2006 season, the Patriots weren't happy and had to change much of their offensive terminology.

Mazzone has been the Jets receivers coach since 2006, and in his first year there, the Jets' receiver tandem of Jerricho Cotchery and Laveranues Coles combined for the highest total of receptions (173) by a Jets' tandem in franchise history.

Mangini is also expected to talk to his close friend Romeo Crennel about remaining with the team in some capacity. Crennel, who was Mangini's boss in New England, told The Plain Dealer he would stay only if the head coach really wanted him and acknowledged he's still close to Mangini.

Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker, who interviewed for the Browns head coaching position, has received permission to interview with the Seattle Seahawks for their defensive coordinator position, profootballtalk.com reported.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/01/source_says_mangini_is_targeti.html

Callahan would be a HUGE plus as an offensive coordinator because we'd have a guy with experience running a successful offense that can both run and pass.

(I'm talking about the Gruden Raiders where he was an offensive coordinator and the 2002 Callahan Raiders...and yes he called the plays)

My only question is that Callahan was seriously outcoached by Gruden in the Superbowl that year...Gruden knew everything about the Raiders' offense...therefore the offensive success being attributed to him would be questionable.

The only thing new about that article is the sensationalist title that misleads people into thinking something that isn't confirmed.

Actually, the point is that it makes sense that other teams wouldn't bother to interview Mangini because they believe he has a deal in place, not that it confirms that it is a done deal.

I don't know Coach. The title of "Browns to hire Mangini" sure seems like a deal is done.

Even that is an assumption. Look at the other coaches that were fired. Romeo still hasn't even moved out of his office. The only look Marinelli is getting is for a defensive line coach in Chicago. Haslett wasn't fired but wasn't retained and I haven't heard what he's doing at all. Shanahan is a future HoF coach, so it's understandable he's gotten interest.

It's not a given that a guy like Mangini would even gather interest, especially with the reports of him being blackballed because teams may not trust him after Spygate. To say that Mangini hasn't interviewed because he's already locked up is speculation just as is him being blackballed. The article leans heavily on the Plain Dealer piece from today and everything else, from the title on down, is speculative garbage.

Hope your fighting the good fight , hang tough guy !


Last I recall I could still have an opinion ? .. One more time I didn't like Lerner's getting the Franchise over the Shula Group , period !

I did like the Policy/Clark hire
I did ;like the second coming ( Butch )
I did like the RAC hire and never thought Savage was all that and a bag of chips !
Based on our win/loss record since 99 , I haven't been to far of the mark..

I thought Lerner should at least Brought in Marty for an interview ..If Lerner wants to really learn something , than listen to a man who has been their / done that ! The man was a Brown , and compared to the crap the Lerner,s have brought in since 99 , he has won a whole bunch of NFL games as a HC. ( that my friend is a simple fact )

I am one of a handful of Old , Old , Old Dawgs .. I have lived long enough to have seen the Brown Greats .. Don't think I am going to live long enough to see the return to Glory under the Lerner ownership .

I would have liked to see a blending of experience ( like a Marty or Cowher ) with a new and up and coming Ryan/ Spag or the likes ..

Hey it's just an opinion and I think it is just as valid as anyone's .. Now I could be wrong

I never said it was concrete. What I said was that was a LIKELY reason. You have to admit, though, that if almost everyone else thinks that there is a deal in place, it's PLAUSIBLE that those within the NFL do to. It's also PLAUSIBLE that they could have had interest and didn't make contact or made contact but no interview was set up. I am postiive about one thing. The media does not report every phone call made to every person of interest for a coaching position.

All of this is speculation. I'm just trying to show the other side of the coin for the ant-Mangini crowd that points to no interviews with Mangini as proof that no one else thinks he can coach, there is no other team that would be interested in him, and that the Browns shouldn't hire him because he hasn't interviewed any where else. You know, actually coming up with plausible scenarios and not drawing conclusions from uninformed opinions and stating them as a fact spun to fit my arguement (not you, that was a referral to any post Menza writes ).

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/07/report-mangini-to-cleveland-by-end-of-week/

REPORT: MANGINI TO CLEVELAND BY END OF WEEK
Posted by Mike Florio on January 7, 2009, 3:44 p.m. EST
Michael Holley of WEEI.com reports that former Jets coach Eric Mangini will be named the next coach of the Cleveland Browns by the end of the week.

Holley made the report live on Wednesday’s edition of The Dale & Holley Show. The audio is available at the radio station’s web site (it’s in the January 7 opening segment), and the news is reiterated in a blurb on the front page of the site.

Meanwhile, indications are emerging that Mangini is pilfer as many members of his former staff in New York as he possibly can. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Mangini has spoken to at least to of his former assistant coaches with the Jets about joining him.

Per the New York Daily News (via the Plain Dealer), Mangini wants to hire Jets offensive line coach Bill Callahan to be the offensive coordinator in Cleveland.

That said, if Callahan or any other members of the Jets’ coaching staff without a head coach are under contract, the Jets can prevent them from leaving.

If we're going to bring in Mangini, who has stated he wants Kokinis, why would we be interviewing Heckert?

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The only thing new about that article is the sensationalist title that misleads people into thinking something that isn't confirmed.

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Actually, that's not true..

There is lots of new infor (accuracy not known of course)

Discussion of who Mangini wants on his staff, semi confirmation that he would want RAC to remain in some capacity, him not having chatted with Chud, etc..

I think there are details that heretofore we've not seen anywhere else.

Having said that, we still don't know if any of this stuff is remotely true.

There's an old story about LBJ... He said to his campaign manager,, let's let out that my opponent has sex with farm animals..

THe campaign manager said,, Lyndon,, we don't know that to be true, in fact we doubt it is true..

LBJ responded with,, yes, I know. I just want to hear him deny it.

Half the stuff we hear in the media might just be thrown out there so that someone within the organization will deny it... that is telling in itself..

I'll wait until the announcment!

We'll see about this. I've heard so much speculation about when Mangini will come aboard it's ridiculous. At the beginning of this week, Triv said that he heard from a source within the team that Mangini would be signed on Monday and if it didn't go down, then something went wrong. I'm not going to believe any more of these reports until it actually comes true.

I will say that if Mangini is hired before due diligence is done (meaning that all package deals are sat down and analyzed before making a decision), then I'm going back to the side of doubting Lerner's capability to turn this thing around.

Hold on a sec, you saying Lebron James has sex with with farm animals?

No, no no.. he said his competitor does.. must be talking about Kobe.

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Hold on a sec, you saying Lebron James has sex with with farm animals?

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LOL Lyndon Baines Johnson, (LBJ) for those that don't know was the 36th President of the United States..

Lebron James (also LBJ) plays for the Cavs... and yes, I did hear that he messes with Farm Animals... Spectre told me in a PM

Sorry Spec,, I just couldn't resist man..

It certainly is plausible, but so is the blackballing theory.

Regardless, how horrible have Randy and our organization been at keeping this whole process private? The big secret coming out of Detroit recently was that they INTERVIEWED Jason Garrett for the job. We're already finding out the names of assistants and the GM of choice for a candidate that hasn't even been hired yet but who is already a foregone conclusion. I've never seen so many leaks and so much loosely held information in my life.

...I keep thinking that hiring Mangini an Experienced HC who is 37 would not be a Bad idea IF he can have success as he did with the Jets....However , this Kokinis scenario bothers me....Hiring a guy with No Experience as a GM just seems like we are asking to fail....I mean what do the Browns have against hiring individuals who actually have experience and have had success in the position elsewhere ?....

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I've never seen so many leaks and so much loosely held information in my life.

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You've never watched the State Department have you?

No matter what you read..lets wait till after Heckert is interviewed..and remember he and Spagnuolo are good friends..

If Mangini is the cause of the leaks, I would remove him from consideration right now. I don't know what motivation he would have to do it though... it's not like his name being public has been helping his chances. The publicity of it all has only scared away one candidate.

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I will neither confirm nor deny those allegations.

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Too late, it's in writing so it must be true

I'm not excited about all of this. I hope RL waits a couple weeks and gives Shanahan a try.

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We could also assume that some of this may be leaking out on Mangini's part and not all because of the Browns.

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Given the nature of reporters in the Big Apple and Mary Kay Cabot in recent years,, there doesn't even have to be a leak..

Do you have any idea how easy it is to say "sources close to the situation say" etc etc... They can make up anything they want to make up just to stir the pot and sell some newspapers..

And when it's about something like an NFL team, nobody really gets hurt.. It's not like someone is going to go and shot Mangini because they are against him being the HC....

I thought Shanny was due back Monday from his vacation.

Mangini named Head Coach of Browns!!!

There is a whole thread about it up and also,, go to Clevelandbrowns.com... it's there as well,,

DONE DEAL..

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Thanks, a little to fast on the draw on this one.

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LOL this one came out of nowhere today.. I mean, we've been hearing he's the choice, but no way did we hear it could happen that fast.., in fact, I think most of us figured that it wouldn't happen until both Kokinis and that guy from the Eagles were at least interviewed..

For what it's worth, I think Lerner feels he got his Bill Belichick clone... Honestly, I hope to hell he's right.

Actually, there was this certain poster saying that it would be finalized before next week around 3 or so. Then again, he doesn't know anything.

I also know Callahan ran the WCO in Oakland. I would love to see that here.

IIRC, if the Browns offer Asst. HC and OC, he can go. However, he is a candidate for the HC job wth N.Y.

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Actually, there was this certain poster saying that it would be finalized before next week around 3 or so. Then again, he doesn't know anything.

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Oh, I know that guy,, such a loser.....LOL