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And some on this board think we can get a 2nd round pick for him....not likely. Heck, I don't think we'll even get a low 3rd for him. What do I know though? I picked Atlanta, Indianapolis, Miami and Minnesota in the pickem poll thread.
Dang, we even had Braylon and Kellen on the list too (as dishonorable mentions).
"Tough room."
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That's who some think should be our franchise qb 
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It took a WR shooting himself in the leg (literally and figuratively) for Braylon not to top the list at WR this year.
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I disagree with KWII being on the list unless he's on it because he's injured. He played well when he was on the field.... and when your QB leads the list, doesn't it make sense that the receivers are also going to have bad years (Not that Braylon didn't do enough to earn it on his own)...
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I tend to think that DA is neither as good as he appeared in 07 or as bad as he appeared in 08.
In 07, we had a weaker schedule, we got lucky pretty much on the injury front, the Oline played better (oddly, Tucker played for most of that season), JJ was a better #2 wideout, Lewis was a year younger and had fresher legs. Just to name a few things
In 08 we had a monster tough schedule, we were banged up all year, with Tucker out the line just didn't look the same which probably contributed to the number of times our QB's got hit and rushed from the pocket as well as the lackluster performance by Lewis.. Then there is Braylon who's head came off it's hinges and KW2 that just flat out lost focus and didn't stay healthy.
It's more than Just DA folks..
Not apologizing for him,, it's just that's what it was. pretty simple.
By the way, if both QB's are here next camp,, then please, someone pick a starter and stick with him....
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By the way, if both QB's are here next camp,, then please, someone pick a starter and stick with him....
I wouldn't advise that (bringing both to camp). Especially since DA would get that big bonus....and you don't pay big bonuses to backups (should he be the backup).
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I was actually relieved when I saw Edwards name... hopefully with all the bad ink he'll be getting from every football info outlet in the offseason, not just the cleveland ink or fans.. itll make him realize how bad he played
D.A. never stood a chance --- expected that
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Derek Anderson, Browns -- Nobody fell further faster than Anderson in 2008. From a Pro Bowl appearance in February to a new three-year, $24 million contract extension shortly thereafter, to the bench after the Browns' dismal 3-5 start. Oh, and did we mention Cleveland fans cheering after he went down for the season with a knee injury in a Week 13 game against the Colts?
A year after being the surprise of the 2007 season with 29 touchdown passes, with 3,787 yards and a 82.5 passer rating, Anderson swooned this season to just nine touchdowns, a 66.5 QB rating, with nine fumbles. He'll play elsewhere in 2009, but for now his career has one-year wonder written all over it.
• Dishonorable mention: Vince Young, Titans -- With a nod to David Garrard, nobody had a more profoundly lost season than Young, the former No. 3 overall pick.
I wonder if Don Banks looked at the stats of our other two QBs?
If he had he would have seen two more QB, who ended up on IR just like Anderson did, and all 3 QBs had nearly the same stats.
If Don Banks had anything going on upstairs, a light bulb might have come on and noted, 3 QBs, all on IR, all with similar stats...hmmmm...there may be some "reasons" for the poor performances of all of Cleveland's QBs.
Reasons, such as...
...pass blocking long enough so your QB can set his feet and find a receiver
...the Oline protecting Browns QBs from hits and knockdowns
...WRs and TEs who had problems catching the football
...WR and TEs who couldn't staying healthy long enough to practice/play
...Play calling ability of the Browns OC that seemed to go south this year.
You see Don, it was more than just our QBs that contributed to this dismal offensive performance in 2008. It was every player on the offense and every offensive coach.
The reason Don Banks wrote this hatchet job on the Browns (players) is obvious...first, he enjoys kicking a dawg when he's down...and second, just to show Browns fans that Don Banks and SI are still a buttholes.
Don Banks is an idiot...he just can't help himself!
This dawg bites, Don...
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i don't think it's so much that as these lists are always along the line of "yea, we were wrong to overhype these players but instead of admitting them, we'll just call them 'disappointments' so we're not technically wrong, just disappointed"
just a way to cover their asses so they don't look stupid...or at least, less stupid. as far as writers go, organization-wise, i still respect SI more than espn or sportsline...
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I wouldn't advise that (bringing both to camp). Especially since DA would get that big bonus....and you don't pay big bonuses to backups (should he be the backup).
to hell with the money issue.. it's only money, not like an arm or leg, something you would really miss..LOL
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I wouldn't advise that (bringing both to camp). Especially since DA would get that big bonus....and you don't pay big bonuses to backups (should he be the backup).
Regardless of whether they intend to keep him - Anderson's bonus will be paid. He'll be kept or traded. They won't let him walk - he'll be more valuable in a trade once he's signed - and a relative bargain if he's kept.
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I wouldn't advise that (bringing both to camp). Especially since DA would get that big bonus....and you don't pay big bonuses to backups (should he be the backup).
Regardless of whether they intend to keep him - Anderson's bonus will be paid. He'll be kept or traded. They won't let him walk - he'll be more valuable in a trade once he's signed - and a relative bargain if he's kept.
I sort of agree. I think they'll be looking to deal him. Even if he doesn't stay, he's been a good team mate.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Did we get disappointing coaching honors too?
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I gave BE the award me self. Yep: Dropped it! LOL 
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I tend to think that DA is neither as good as he appeared in 07 or as bad as he appeared in 08.
In 07, we had a weaker schedule, we got lucky pretty much on the injury front, the Oline played better (oddly, Tucker played for most of that season), JJ was a better #2 wideout, Lewis was a year younger and had fresher legs. Just to name a few things
In 08 we had a monster tough schedule, we were banged up all year, with Tucker out the line just didn't look the same which probably contributed to the number of times our QB's got hit and rushed from the pocket as well as the lackluster performance by Lewis.. Then there is Braylon who's head came off it's hinges and KW2 that just flat out lost focus and didn't stay healthy.
It's more than Just DA folks..
Not apologizing for him,, it's just that's what it was. pretty simple.
By the way, if both QB's are here next camp,, then please, someone pick a starter and stick with him....
i agree with everything you said...
DA is not the worst qb in the league, i don't care about the numbers...
but he's def not as good (yet) as his '07 numbers, i think with him, there is room for improvement, which is why i think he has some draft value... to us, he may not seem like much, but to a team like minnesota, chicago, the jets, 49'ers, etc... they could be intrigued by his age, by his arm, and maybe they can get into a bidding war...
i'd take a 3rd if it were offered, no questions asked, i'd do it... a second would be ideal... i don't see that happening unless 3 teams get involved and someone gets desperate...
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I agree with you, Daman.
One year and two/three months ago fans and media in New York were ready to bench Eli Manning as being ineffective. He was viewed as the problem. The team turned things around, won a Super Bowl and he is heralded as a great QB.
Chad Pennington was run out New York for being an ineffective, weak-armed, nancy-boy. For the second time in 3 years, he won NFL comeback player of the year award.
I don't have a horse in the race. I don't care about the DA/Quinn situation. Honestly, I am so disappointed with the past 12 months of Browns news that I don't really care.
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I was actually relieved when I saw Edwards name... hopefully with all the bad ink he'll be getting from every football info outlet in the offseason, not just the cleveland ink or fans.. itll make him realize how bad he played
The Michigan haters are everywhere. 
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That's what we have: Leadership in the skill positions. How much those three (K minus2, BE, and D(O)A ) were individually a major reason for the 12 losses or to what degree they had ownership of our disappointments and humiliation, and to what degree they contributed to the lousy and despicable offensive ending are debatable over a number of pitchers before Berea is reborn in training camp. Very arguable that skill folx get more credit and blame for wins and losses. But none of the three worthies on this team gets a pass from me. Just wonder how Stallworth dodged the bullet. Guess part-timeers aren't eligible. Thanks for the link.  
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Aye, ya can't fault a guy for not catching the ball that we never throw at.
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Here are some keepers fromt he 2008/09 Browns that I really beleive in.
Derek Anderson, I really think his career if given the chance to take the field, will show he has what it takes, it has been evident, and it will continue. The Browns have scored very few points the last two years when he wasn't on the field.
Braylon Edwards, This is a top ten player in the league at his position, everybody drops passes sometimes, but Braylon has spectacular one handed grabs sometimes also, a burner, and able to score against the top defenses in the league, his problem in 08, was the lack of any other receivers who would step up in his offense.
Eric Wright, He would get my vote for MVP of the 08 Browns, Every time the Browns were winning Wright had a big play, a game changing play in that game. It would be a crime to not have Eric Wright come back, but a crime I've seen many times before.
Mike Adams, He was definetly all over the field as the 3rd safety getting alot of playing time with the two starters injured, he adds to the team and having a competant backup, is what makes starters look good.
Dqwell Jackson, simply the best Browns linebacker since Jamir Miller, why don't people notice the plays he makes.
Honestly the team is so talented, there are almost no players I'd like to see not come back but two areas could use some additions for competition for the roster spots.
Receivers other than B, Edwards,
Runningbacks, ... Do you think there is anyone on earth they could sign who could Run, Catch, Block, Pass protect, be a bruiser, and have a nose for the endzone. Someone really who is a threat to score when you hand him the ball.
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CanDawg; Great post, but I think they missed the boat on the coaching spot. Del Rio being # 1 is up for grabs, Rac should have been a very close second if not at the head of the class.  I noticed the Browns were tied for the lead in the number of players on the list, with of all teams, the Jets. To me that means, that the coaches failed to motivate and teach and use the players at their disposal. But, at least the owners saw the coaches weakness and fired them after the season, didn't they. So, as to improve their chances for winning next year, I'm sure they'll take a long hard look, before they make the same mistake again, when hiring their new HC's
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I gave BE the award me self. Yep: Dropped it! LOL
I would like to nominate Bard for "Post Of The Week".
SI is a rag and has been for some time in my book, but that's another story. Then again, I haven't read it for so long that maybe I can't really judge.
None the less, I'll bite....
QB - Young..hands down. Banks even said, "profound". Derek is a waiver addition that has played like it at times, including 2007. His arm and the ensuing numbers did justify the contract extension (just my feeble opinion and I'm not pimping...besides, what's to pimp )
RB - Easy pickens. The system...the scheme...the talent around...the schedule. Only a few RBs are elite. Reuben...our first 1,000 yarder in decades...where is he now (no offense Reuben...just trying to make a point).
WR - see above. Only the unbelievable stupidity of Burress could top Braylon's stone hands. I always said that BE was my favorite receiver since his drop of a crucial 4th and 1 against the Buckeyes in his Senior season. Unfortunately my smart alec comment haunted me in 2008. I did appreciate the zing that Banks threw at the Bengals though.
TE - I agree with DC. Kellen is a warrior and does his job, often in more than ordinary pain. My only wish is that he could do it with his mouth shut (both in the huddle and locker room).
OT - I don't know about FA since I don't follow the Cowboys, but can we nominate the folks in Cincy responsible for cutting Anderson in lieu of Andrews? Ask Palmer.
Picking / choosing....
DT - What was Dorsey's assignment with the Chiefs? Both gaps? It was a different Micheal Dean back in the day when Billicheck installed his 2 gap. MD was still a force, but it took away his fantastic ability to slash between the center and guard and disrupt the backfield. Besides, a high pick for a DT / NT seldom pans, at least not as some expect. Big Money (Gerard Warren) played the position well for us, but was he worth the 3rd pick?
OLB - I didn't hear much about Vernon and Banks may be right. With us obviously needing LBer help let's hope we get the draft right. I am not defending Gholston's dismal rookie year, but did he play LB or DE for the Jets? He was pretty much in a 3 point in his days as a Buckeye.
As always, JMHO.
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Edwards too... it's what happens when your team begins the season with Superbowl expectations and ends the season firing the head coach and the G.M.
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