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Now, we have to get this guy!!!  The Browns are reportedly poised to make a "serious push" for Chargers guard Kris Dielman, an impending free agent. Signing Dielman would take care of one problem spot on the Browns' line. While Adrian Peterson makes sense at No. 3 or 4, it's hard to rule out the Browns still considering Joe Thomas even if Dielman is on board. Source: browns.scout.com http://rotoworld.com/
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Yea I posted this same thing in the Chudzinski thread about Peterson when someone asked if he would be able to bring in any SD lineman. Go get him Phil, I would be very happy to him in Brown and Orange.
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IIRC Dielman was an UDFA. Instead of the Chargers getting a high priced free agent, he was developed from within.
Here's a novel idea. Why not do the same thing in Cleveland?
Sowells was a 4th round pick for Chrissakes, use him! There are also other players on the squad that could eventually be starters as early as next season and have the same or better pedigree than Dielman. How about giving Hoffman(6th round), Matua(7th round) or Lougheed(UDFA) a look? There is also a college draft and training camp to find viable candidates for the starting guards positions.
PS I like Fraley, another UDFA, but the coaches may have seen enough of Rob Smith(UDFA) to feel comfortable with letting Fraley walk.
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The Browns are reportedly poised to make a "serious push" for Chargers guard Kris Dielman, an impending free agent.
Position: G
College: Indiana
Height: 6-4
Weight: 310
DOB: 02/03/81
Experience: 4th NFL Season
Acquired: Free Agent - 2003
Hometown: Troy, Ohio
2005: Started Weeks 3-16 at left guard…saw extensive action on offensive line in season opener against Dallas, lining up as tight end…replaced injured Toniu Fonoti at left guard in fourth quarter at Denver Sept. 18…started ESPN Sunday Night Football game against New York Giants Sept. 25 at left guard for injured Fonoti…line paved way for 268 yards rushing, third-best in team history, and did not allow any sacks against Giants…started Oct. 2 against New England on line that did not allow any sacks for second-consecutive week and helped Chargers rush for 183 yards en route to ending Patriots’ NFL-record 21-game home winning streak…Oct. 16 at Oakland helped hold All-Pro tackles Warren Sapp and Ted Washington to three combined tackles while opening holes for running game to generate 190 yards on ground…offensive line did not allow any sacks in 44 pass attempts against Kansas City Oct. 30…did not allow any sacks in 27 pass attempts and paved way for 133 rushing yards in 31-26 win over New York Jets Nov. 6
Starter at LG...so this would be where it starts..get Druzzi out and a younger more power guy in there.
Line Judge Instead of the Chargers getting a high priced free agent, he was developed from within.
Here's a novel idea. Why not do the same thing in Cleveland?
Because we don't evaluate linemen the way other teams do..don't know why , I just know we don't..so it seems other teams get guys we overlook or just just devalue.
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IIRC Dielman was an UDFA. Instead of the Chargers getting a high priced free agent, he was developed from within.
Here's a novel idea. Why not do the same thing in Cleveland?
I'm usually one of those guys that preaches patience, but in this case, if you got the money and the guy you need is available, get him now... if we don't, we are gonna get more QB's killed while waiting for a guy to develop. JMO however.. I really do like the "grow your own" thinking overall, but right now, we need help quickly..
Dielman or Stienbach,,, both play LG and both are availble,. I don't care which, but I want us to get one of them..
Then if we are lucky,, Either Thomas or Branch fall to us and we solve all kinda problems in a hurry.
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I would expect the team to add couple of experienced OLman with reputations of being solid lockeroom guys. Dielman fits this criteria, and his connection to Rob makes it even more likely.
Not only did the OL have trouble on the field, but they also had trouble off the field Monday thru Saturday...before this team can win, they need to commit to taking the steps necessary to win.
Losing Bentley hurt this team in many ways...even more important than his play, his leadership was sorely missed.
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I still need to watch some game tape before I make up my mind for sure, but right now, I'm really worried about this guy, and would rather not see us make a move for him, unless he comes much cheaper than everybody here seems to be anticipating.
Why? Because as much as I've always thought that offense starts with the line, I consider LT to be one of the few good enough to change that paradigm, whenever I've watched him run, I've watched him make great plays for big gains, with subpar blocking in front of him.
He definately makes offensive linemen look better than they are, and when I watched McNeill on a few occasions this year, I thought the same thing, McNeill looked good, but not as good as the media kept saying, and part of that is due to LT. He wares down the defense makes up for his OL's mistakes, and basically controls the game from the RB slot.
I'll go back and watch the Chargers game again before I say anything else about Dielman, but I really worry we'll be paying big bucks, and will get disappointed again, hopefully not to the extent of the Kelvin Garmon situation.
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The thing that would change all the thinking in FA and in the Draft is if Bentley can come back.. It doesn't change what we do at guard all that much.. but do we resign Fraley? Knowing about Bentley may answer that. (sidenote, I hope we keep fraley and get either stienbach or Dielman AND Bentley comes back) Now we have us an interior line.. Stienbach or Dielman, Fraley and Bentley... Yikes  Now draft Thomas if he's there, put him at RT for a while just to learn then move him to LT and move Shafer to RT,,,, We have a line for the next 5 to 7 years.. A Darn good one at that. Yeah, I know, I'm dreaming again! 
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Bentley wont be back until 08.
I like the way you're thinking, I would go for that...
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He definately makes offensive linemen look better than they are, and when I watched McNeill on a few occasions this year, I thought the same thing, McNeill looked good, but not as good as the media kept saying, and part of that is due to LT. He wares down the defense makes up for his OL's mistakes, and basically controls the game from the RB slot.
If U really watched MM , U'd see what he does..and that is clear his man out..he either rides him inside or buries him allowing a clear running lane..
Dielman would a be a cheaper investment to supplant Druzzi..and I can't say I'd bark against it..we need one experienced road grater at OG..
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Lyuokdea,
You make a good point...I wonder what our interest in Dielman tells us about the thoughts of the team going into the draft?? We're interested in an OLman who has blocked for an outstanding back...
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I like the way you're thinking, I would go for that...
ON the Bentley back in 08 thing, I didn't think that was confirmed by anyone officially yet,,, did I miss something? In his presser on 1/10, Phil declined to discuss Bentley at that time saying that he'd have something to say either later this month or in February before the combine.... So as far as officially, I thought nothing was known yet?
As for my thinking,,, you have to admit, that would be one hell of a line 
If only it would happen.,,,,,,
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It isn't official, but in this case, no news is bad news.
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I don't know man,,, last year at this time we were all up in arms because Braylon was just getting around to having the surgery and most thought that was bad news and so many just gave up on him being with the team in 06.. yet there he was playing in the first game of the season... Go figure.
So I still have my finger crossed,,,,,,
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I agree if the staph ate away hes repaired tendon like reported then I dont see how he would be able to walk and why he would be rehabbing? When Bentley presented that award he said he was riding a bike and walking in pools. He was walking around at the school as well. When asked if he was running he said that he wouldnt run that much even if he was 100%. On another note does anyone really know when exactly the staph happened. At first we heard reports that it happeded right after the surgery back in August and that it was already gone. Theres was something reported that he didnt lose weight from it like Winslow did. But then we heard that it happened later like mid-season and that he was done for 08 because he would need another surgery. But we have heard nothing more on that surgery and why hasnt he had it by now if he needs it?
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I agree if the staph ate away hes repaired tendon like reported then I dont see how he would be able to walk and why he would be rehabbing? When Bentley presented that award he said he was riding a bike and walking in pools. He was walking around at the school as well. When asked if he was running he said that he wouldnt run that much even if he was 100%. On another note does anyone really know when exactly the staph happened. At first we heard reports that it happeded right after the surgery back in August and that it was already gone. Theres was something reported that he didnt lose weight from it like Winslow did. But then we heard that it happened later like mid-season and that he was done for 08 because he would need another surgery. But we have heard nothing more on that surgery and why hasnt he had it by now if he needs it?
Something about scar tissue, similar to Winslow this year. Winslow sucked blocking but could still catch. Well, Bentley makes his money blocking so I don't think he could hold off on the surgery for a season.
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Don't get me wrong, I will say my prayers for Lecharles, but Braylon was kind of a different case. He was young (not that LB isn't) and lean.
I hope this isn't the case, but a big man like that is IMO going to need more time to mrecover.
I really, really, really hope he is back for next season, but we can't plan for it,
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Something about scar tissue, similar to Winslow this year. Winslow sucked blocking but could still catch. Well, Bentley makes his money blocking so I don't think he could hold off on the surgery for a season.
Very true but isnt that what arthroscopic surgery does? Tucker was able to come back from that type of surgery in about a month. Now I could be wrong and its a totally different surgery but I always thought that "clean out surgery" was minor.
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With respect to Dielman, he is generally reviewed as being a very good guard. He is a converted DL man, signed by the Chargers as a rookie FA, spent time on the practice squad learing the position and then waited his turn.
He began starting last year when Fonoti weight went above 400. He has played well.
He may not be the splash that Steinbach is, but I think there will be a lot of interest in him.
In a bit of irony, his situation is the same as Hoffmans with the Browns a few years removed.
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With respect to Dielman, he is generally reviewed as being a very good guard. He is a converted DL man, signed by the Chargers as a rookie FA, spent time on the practice squad learing the position and then waited his turn.
He began starting last year when Fonoti weight went above 400. He has played well.
He may not be the splash that Steinbach is, but I think there will be a lot of interest in him.
In a bit of irony, his situation is the same as Hoffmans with the Browns a few years removed.
Charger, so how much of an upgrade do you think he'll be if we were to sign him?
And at what price point is he not worth it?
I don't think you gave him a very ringing endorsement. Do you think some of us are getting overly excited about the possibility of his signing?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He is a solid NFL lineman, and a very good run blocker.
The Browns need solid NFL players, I don't have an idea what his market value would be, but he would be an excellent pick-up.
I think that he also has upside, he is still learning the position. Marty has on numerous occasion pointed out that his excellent play has been a contributing factor towards the Chargers success.
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Well he's worth looking at but I don't think we break the bank for him and if the Chargers think he's that good then I would think they would keep him.
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Most Charger fans would agree that keeping Dielman is a high priority.
In terms of an upgrade, this would be significant, he is not a journeyman, he is just coming into his prime, and there are few questions about the quality of his play. No, not LCB, but definately better than Shaffer in terms of talent.
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