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I thought Oakland had a pretty good defense?

I didn't know they were twins either. Rob Is definately the more 'gruff" of the two, so you wouldn't know it by looking at them that they are.

I really like this move. I actually wanted us to try and get him a few years back. Not so much this year but he has had some good defenses in Oakland without much to work with.

I don't know anything about the other guy so I have no opinion on that, I just hope it works.

Should check out NFL.com and see what they had to say about the Mangini hiring.....they hit it on the head......should have waited until they hired a GM first...and thought that they might go more for an offensive minded coach.....I agree totally......I say get ready for more losing seasons.....

Eric Mangini's end with the Jets began with Brett Favre's arrival

BY RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Tuesday, December 30th 2008, 10:17 AM


Brett Favre fumbles in the Jets' 34-17 loss to the the Denver Broncos that was the first loss in their 1-4 finish ...



... but the end of Eric Mangini came with Favre's arrival.

On the surface, Eric Mangini's downfall began five weeks ago, when the Jets started a late-season meltdown with an ugly loss to the Broncos. In reality, it started much earlier, with the blockbuster trade for Brett Favre in August.

Although he publicly supported the acquisition of the future Hall of Fame quarterback, Mangini wasn't the driving force behind the acquisition, according to two people familiar with the team's thinking. Even though he expressed concerns at the time, the people said, Mangini welcomed Favre, adjusted the entire offense and tried to make it work.

In the end, Favre contributed to the late-season slide with nine interceptions and only two touchdown passes in the final five games. That doomed Mangini, but the third-year coach also hurt himself with questionable decisions and coaching practices throughout the season, according to several players who spoke to the Daily News on the condition of anonymity.

Ironically, Mangini began the season as Mr. Popularity, dramatically reducing the practice load. That "made it easier to come to the building every day and be motivated to work," Chris Baker said. But, along the way, other issues developed for Mangini, who had lost the taskmaster reputation that he developed in his first two seasons.

The issues:

•The Favre Factor: Mangini handled Favre with kid gloves, rarely criticizing him in front of the team . (Caters to the prima dona players?) A TV report over the weekend said Mangini embarrassed Favre in meetings, but "that report was full of (garbage)," one player said. "He never called him out. If anything, he yelled at the receivers for not breaking up the passes. He'd just throw 'em up, and there was no accountability."

Favre led the NFL with 22 interceptions.

The Jets beefed up their offensive line and began the season hell-bent on becoming a run-oriented team, but they ditched the plan when Favre arrived (Doesn't game plan to the strength of hi team?) and, according to players, they never found a comfort level.

• No emotion : (RAC all overagain?) One veteran player said he glanced at the Dolphins' sideline during Sunday's game and saw coach Tony Sparano making animated gestures, interacting with his players after good and bad plays. The Jets player said he wondered why Mangini didn't act that way.

"It's okay to show emotion," said the player, describing Mangini's lack of emotion as his greatest flaw. "Football isn't all about X's and O's. There's a human element involved. We're not all robots. Sometimes a coach needs to show some passion. I think Eric has that in him, but he never showed it."

Mangini's stoic sideline demeanor became a source of frustration for disgruntled fans who demanded fire from their head coach. The players noticed it, too. One player said he tried too hard to be like Patriots coach Bill Belichick, his mentor, and he needed to act more like himself.

Owner Woody Johnson sidestepped a question Monday about Mangini's laid-back demeanor, but it's known that Johnson wasn't happy with the lack of fire among the players in the fourth quarter of Sunday's loss. He evidently felt it was a reflection of the coach.

• Too hands-on:
Mangini didn't call the offensive or defensive plays, but he was heavily involved in all aspects of the operation.

"The biggest thing I heard from upstairs (the front office) was that he didn't trust anyone," one player said. "He wouldn't let his coaches coach. He had his hand in everything."

Former Jets assistants have complained over the years that Mangini, known for his rigid rules and cloak-and-dagger paranoia, created a difficult working environment.

• Not enough adjustments:
In recent weeks, the Jets were outsmarted by inferior teams that exploited their weaknesses. Mangini wasn't a good problem solver, as the same issues plagued the team week after week. The defense, in particular, was upset with the game plans and how certain players were deployed . (Uh Oh!)

The low point came in the next-to-last game, when the Jets failed to record a sack against a Seattle offensive line that consisted of five former backups. (No!!!!!)

"The scheme was too vanilla against Seattle," one player said. "I think the coaches thought we were going to win just by showing up."

Several questionable in-game decisions also loomed large for Mangini . (Oui Va!) There was the fourth-and-2 punt from the 49ers' 38, and there were decisions that backfired in Seattle, including a fourth-and-1 field goal from the Seahawks' 2 on the opening drive. Those two decisions, players said, sent a bad message to the team, showing a lack of confidence in the players.

Johnson, in his news conference Monday, refused to delve into any specifics regarding Mangini's coaching.

"He's done some amazing things," Johnson said. "Nobody's worked harder. He knows his X's and his O's. He's a good teacher, but Mike (Tannenbaum) and I felt it was time to make a change."

Several players took their share of the blame for the demise. After back-to-back road wins against the Patriots and Titans, which made them 8-3, complacency set in, according to one player.

"Guys walked off the field in Tennessee with their chests out, and they took that into the Denver game," the player said. "We had too many guys that didn't know how to handle success."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footba..._wi.html?page=0


I hope this is just the NY media being the NY media but it's not making me feel too good right about now.

And, I guess my take is, who the hell cares what other people are thinking? Who the hell cares if the Raiders fans don't like Ryan? A lot of Browns people didn't like Belichick! A lot of people loved the hiring of Butch Davis and RAC!

Yeesh! I mean, I'm supposed to give a rat's patootie about Rod Woodson and Terrell Davis thinking this might not be a great hire? C'mon. I don't listen to those guys when they praise our team, why should I listen now?

I think the Favre thing may have presented a problem to Mangini because of Favre's age, legacy, and experience in the league.

Hopefully he has learned.

Yeah, after I said that, I looked at the stats. But, it's kind of hard to judge Oakland when Al Davis is still there.

LOL...why should I , as you say, accept this move.....it was a bad decision...and everybody knows it......just because RL hires him...and you jump on the bandwagon doesn't mean anything to me......I didn't like the Romeo hiring....and I don't like this one either......The fact that he has prior coaching experience is the main reason he got hired......that is ridiculous.....now, it is true that it is what it is, and if I don't like it, I can go and root for another team....but that will never happen......Just voicing my opinion.....!!!!....Mangini...........

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Due diligence is taking a big sampling of the best the market has to offer (that can actually take the job), interviewing them, narrowing down the field, conducting more rounds of interviews and then, at the end of the process, having a list of a small number of top candidates that you know extensively due to the interview process and determining which is a best fit for your organization.

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There have been many fine posts in response to yours. I would like to add one thing that hadn't seen mentioned. By getting our HC early, and really, it seems even you admit the choice was not a bad one, Mangini has time to interview and hire his assistants

That is a luxury RAC did not have. By the time RAC came on board all the good assistants had been hired by other teams and he was stuck choosing from the lessor tier of assistants. A lot of people blamed him for not choosing the right people in the first place having to replace them soon after, but the reality was that there was not a lot to choose from. Our new HC has been spared that restriction.

It looks like he may have Rob Ryan as an experienced DC. Our last coach was force to choose a defensive line coach and promote him to a first-time DC due to time restrictions.

I'm not saying that had Lerner taken your suggested approach that we wouldn't have a coach hired until after the SuperBowl. But time is of the essence on the matter of hiring assistants. It's very possible that this is something else that RL has learned and is a mistake he wasn't willing to repeat.

That's all I have to add to the subject.

j/c...

I will ALWAYS want a DEFENSIVE minded HEAD Coach....

ALWAYS!!!

Agreed. I'm really surprised at the uproar from some that he isn't an offensive-minded coach.

Look at the teams that are consistently good - what do they have in common year in and year out? A good defense and a solid running game...

If this is Mangini's mentality, then I'm all for it. Especially in Cleveland and in this division. You don't win through the air in December in Cleveland and Pittsburgh (or Cincy for tha matter - ask DA this time a year ago...)

That was what was frustrating with our offense - we have Lewis, who is a grinder, but then we have DA, K2 and Braylon - the air it out crew... Just another example of us not being on the same page...

Hopefully this crew is on the same page and are focused on having a stout defense and a strong running game... that will define whether or not Mangini is a successful coach.

No problem..I have been catching a lot of %$$#@ about my opinion about the hiring........I guess I'm just adding a little extra with the "BOO" thing.........It's just funny to me that before the signing...it was probably a 50/50 opinion about Mangini, and now it seems like everyone is all for it...just seems funny to me.....

Does anyone have the specifics about the press conference tomorrow?

JC

Hands BrownsfanZ a crying towel and a box of Puffs, here your going to need these.

I was wanting this hiring and adding Ryan is the icing on the cake for me. He is a nice dc that will bring an attitude our d has been missing hopefully other teams will begin getting nervous planning against us. Now the o.c. hiring has me scratching my head, however Mangini has been with him for along time.

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30% Sky is Falling!
20% All Hail the New King!
50% Hmmmmm... we'll see

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I guess put me in the 50%

I kinda like the idea of Ryan as DC, hate the idea of this other guy.

I do like Ryan as the DC....as bad as the Raiders have been the last couple of years, their D has seemed to always play at least decent......considering.....Now, as long as someone can get the O to work, and they can play with a lead once in awhile, it will be interesting to see what he can do.....

I said this much at work last week. Lerner has learned from his previous hires...He has had both a head coach and a GM that have had super large ego's. I believe Mangini told him that he knows he made mistakes, that he has learned from them and knows how to correct them. Lerner knows the big egos on this team also need to be kept in check and pushed to reach their potential consistently. Look for Kokinis to be hired as soon as Tuesday, Lerner has learned that the GM and Coach need to be on the same page, and we haven't had that since Palmer / Policy. Lerner was turned off by Pioli's big ego and his "demands" and probably believes Pioli has more self interest at heart than that of the Browns. Pioli hasn't proved anything in this league and Lerner is not about to get duped and overpay for an unproven GM.

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To me, the ONE isn't the ONE unless I can be certain of it.

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I've been in the HR related field for 35 years... in that time, I've hired maybe 200 or 300 people on staff for various offices... I've also hired thousands as temporaries,,

NOT once in my life was I actually sure that I hired the right guy..

The problem is this,, People are not like nuts and bolts or like you say,, cars..

They have emotions and feeling. they possesses outside influences that can or may cause them to do something irrational,.

So you can be as certain as you want,, but 100 percent.. if you are that certain, you are fooling yourself..

Ask anyone that has any experience in HR... you do what you can to make sure you aren't hiring a serial killing, drug using, wife beating, hard drinking child molester... you check references.. then if your smart, you check the references of the references to be sure they are who they say they are..

You do a credit check..

Then you use the only tool you got left.... your gut..

So please don't tell me that you won't buy a car without being certain.... it doesn't equate to the human condition. Never has, never will

ddubia,
You are very right to remind the good Browns posters about the previous restrictions that the owner/GM put on RAC. Now Mangini is here and might hire Ryan. All that is nice and good NOW but the GM and coach have to agree on talent!! Now a coach picking his GM is very odd and USUALLY you should hire the GM first, then the HC. We could potentially have no one in the building that will disagree with Mangini! Potentially, No check and balance. I will take the position of wait and see, I have been a Browns fan since 69, not going to get too down or too fired up now!!

WHo knows....If they can bring Ryan in..maybe he will bring Asomgua with him.....or however you spell his last name...the best corner in the league......