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nobody in their right mind actually thought that last year's HC was going to stay with the same team in a lesser coacing position....right?
I mean, even if the old HC wanted to, the NEW HC would never agree to it.
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I'm not just saying this because I'm an OSU homer (although we both know I am..lol), but I think Jenkins and possibly Beannie became possibilities with this hire
While I wouldn't mind Jenkins..we need LB help also..I posted in the other thread CB's who will be available..
Wells worries me a lot..he gets dinged way too much ..and at the pro level he's goning to take shots he's never felt before..how's he gonna last?
I'm not very high on him..
Everybody say: TRADE DOWN!!!!
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And that might signal a selection of Malcomb Jenkins...which would be a solid pick.
He can't run his D without at least 1 stud corner.
Yep....Jenkins just became the odds on favorite with out first pick.
You never know, he may already like our corners.. my first thought was that this might propel Taylor Mays into the spot because as a big fast beast of a safety he could help both corners and support the run...
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Eh..to play press coverage you need aggressive instinctive physical corners..the Browns need a bigger physical corner and move Wright to the # 2 spot and McDonald to the slot..that would work jusrt right.
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I'm not saying that wouldn't work.. I'm just wondering if that is THE most important thing we have to do....
I still maintain the biggest thing a defense needs to do to play aggressive press coverage is have a consistent pass rush... you can be physical and have great corners but if the QB has all day, it's not going to matter... so my preference is still to beef up the pass rush, I just threw Mays out there as an other way to help the secondary.
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Everybody say: TRADE DOWN!!!!
Always a great option to fill multiple holes, but you need someone willing to move up at the right price. Need someone like Crabtree to fall to us and have a couple teams wanting to move up to get him.
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While I wouldn't mind Jenkins..we need LB help also..I posted in the other thread CB's who will be available..
Wells worries me a lot..he gets dinged way too much ..and at the pro level he's goning to take shots he's never felt before..how's he gonna last?
I'm not very high on him..
Everybody say: TRADE DOWN!!!!
Got to agree with you here attack, we just need too much defensive help to go Beenie in the 1st. Even if we didn't I am not to high on Wells right now anyway, I think he needs to stay in school one more year and prove he can stay healthy.
And remember, this is coming from a guy that was hard on the Peterson bandwagon.
I wouldn't really mind Jenkins in the first either, but I would rather go LB, we just need MORE help there and, like you, I wouldn't mind trading down AT ALL and getting more picks for the defensive side of the ball.
Maybe even garner a few more mid round picks (or earlier) for DA, and some others (see Edwards or Winslow).
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While what you say is true,if a D can't stop the run,everything else is moot.
We need D-linemen and Lb's.Athletes,not overstuffed slobs.
The front 7 on this team is in bad shape.Rogers and DQ are the only keepers in the bunch.The rest are a dime a dozen players.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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I feel in this draft and FA we can get what we need.
First in FA we MUST get a FA ILB to replace Davis.
If the new GM can do that it makes the draft easier DC.
Lets assume that happens..then we target another area of need in FA..might be corner , might be WR...
But then the draft shapes up a lot clearer..because if we don't trade down, then we look at the top 6 players who fit a need..
Now.. right now Curry/Jenkins/Okra..errrr Orkapo...and perhaps Crabtree fit the bill..
I do not think the Dline is a priority people..the LB's and corners are.
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While what you say is true,if a D can't stop the run,everything else is moot.
Which is why my preference is still LB.. A good LB can help stop the run, rush the passer, drop into coverage... a good LB has a chance to help all phases of the defense.
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I agree ... it's similar to picking between a good QB and a good WR on offense.
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While what you say is true,if a D can't stop the run,everything else is moot.
Which is why my preference is still LB.. A good LB can help stop the run, rush the passer, drop into coverage... a good LB has a chance to help all phases of the defense.
So do good DBs 
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You can count on us running a 3-4. It's what Mangini ran in New England and like you said, he switched the Jets to it.
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He just said in the presser that he will continue to run the 3-4 
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For the position of defensive coordinator, sources told Smith that Mangini will bring aboard Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, whose contract with Oakland also is up.
I just saw the presser...mangini I don't think has the D thing 100% certain as they asked question about RAC. He stated that they are very good friends and hope that he's going to stay on at some capacity and he told the reporters that they will be seeing a lot of him (RAC) in the near future.
He also stated that he's meeting with RAC even tonight. So although Ryan is somebody that he mentioned were wanted here as well as the OC guy. It didn't seem ready to be confirmed. You never know.
Also for those who for some reason want a 4-3 here...MG (tired of spelling Mangini and then deleting the s or n I automatically put on the end  ) - MG pure and simple stated...nope. Then he was asked why and then as he went into a little technalities...you knew right away he knew what he was talking about...and you also got the feeling that the Journalists didn't have a clue
I'm happy about this hire...very happy - Like Jules has said, nobody knows for sure how it will turn out. Its a wait and see.
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EM was talking about making adjustments on the fly in a 43 which are major..compared to a 34 ..that usally happens when teams use a hurry up..or on third down...
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trust me I know exactly what he was talking about...I just thought it was funny he got a itsy bit technical and they all shut up...lol  as if they tried to continue that line of question n answer they could be on par with his knowledge.
just enjoyed that.
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Oh I know you knew..I was just typing it just for fun..they didn't have a clue..
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Someone just came up to me and said that EM said he is going to meet with Romeo about possibly staying with the team...I didnt catch the presser...is this true?
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yes it's true. That should make you very happy 
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Why, are you ready to bust a gasket?
It's true but why not think before U reply..they are good friends..I would expect him to offer Rac some sort of position ..whether he takes it is up to him.
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I just think that Romeo could do a great job with less on his plate. Hes no HC and he will probabley never try to be one again. He shown alot of fire as as assistant.
That was never going to happen my man.
No new coach is going to keep the old one on his staff unless it was his dad.
That was a bunch of Sesame Street talk....feel good stuff.
In the real world, that doesn't happen.
Based on Manginis press conferance, he talked to Romeo and said "That he would love for Romeo to be involved and that he would be a great asset to this team". Thats an exact qoute. So it might not be a bunch of Sesame Street talk but a reality. I never said, even in the poll I posted, that he would be DC but brought back in any defensive capacity. Maybe he will be a player personnel coach to be between the players and Mangini.
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Bringing RAC onto the coaching staff would be a mistake, its not that RAC is incapable, far from it. You can't bring back the guy who was once in charge in a lesser role.
Now, if we are talking about a front office type job...or a front office consultant...then I really dont care.
BTW..I would hope RAC could find better home, where he can be a DC...which is what he is best at. I think it would benefit both sides if we would just move on and let RAC go DC for a Parcells coaching tree team.
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Maybe so, but I still think it is a long shot to happen...but if it does I am not going to be embarrassed for saying what I said.
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I can think of several reasons not to draft Malcom Jenkins...
Quinn Pitcock
A.J. Hawk
Bobby Carpenter
Mike Doss
Donte Whitner
Chris Gamble
Vernon Gholston (probably...)
Honestly I can't remember the last time an OSU defensive player turned out to be anything but a complete bust. No thanks, there are lots of other players I'd rather have come August.
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I wouldn't call Donte Whitner a bust
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Robiskie also went from WR coach to OC to HC then when Romeo came, back to WR coach.
Im just saying it isnt Sesame Street talk and it does happen in the real world. It also happens at the factory I work at. If people like the job, location or benefits, it happens. I cant share the respect for the man that his players do, but I have the upmost respect for him as a person and his football knowledge.
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I can think of several reasons not to draft Malcom Jenkins...
Quinn Pitcock
A.J. Hawk
Bobby Carpenter
Mike Doss
Donte Whitner
Chris Gamble
Vernon Gholston (probably...)
Honestly I can't remember the last time an OSU defensive player turned out to be anything but a complete bust. No thanks, there are lots of other players I'd rather have come August.
One could probably come up with the same kind of list for every college in the country,.... 
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I wouldn't draft Jenkins, simply because we have bigger needs...and we might be in the perfect spot to trade down. Then we can still get either Mala or Curry, those 2 are the guys we need.
I think Wright and McD played pretty good, our secondary was good when Adams and Pool were in instead of Jones and Pool...
We dont need a CB persay, and that is a luxury pick, we need to build the linebacker core since we are staying with the 34.
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I wouldn't draft Jenkins, simply because we have bigger needs...and we might be in the perfect spot to trade down. Then we can still get either Mala or Curry, those 2 are the guys we need.
We dont need a CB persay, and that is a luxury pick, we need to build the linebacker core since we are staying with the 34.
It takes two to tango....Who is going to want to jump up and what for? For an offensive player that everyone knows we aren't going to draft and can trade up with the Bengals cheaper....?
Every team in the top 5 is saying jeez we should trade down...but guess what has there been a top 5 trade in the past 2-3 years? It's not going to happen don't get your hopes up.
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It may be the golden pick to deal, may is the key...it really depends on who is on the board when we pick. I dont think we are going to get a huge offer, maybe we only get a third or worse. Or we could package someone with the pick and get more.
My reasoning behind it is that its very likely that either Stafford, Crabtree, Eugene Monroe, or Chris Wells will be there at #5. I think that those are all players that teams in the low teens might want. A team like the Texans may be looking to snag one of the OT's like Monroe or Jason Smith.
The 49er's might wanna move up to get Crabtree...and who knows, someone might wanna come up and get Wells, obviously if Stafford is around, that would be really nice.
I think theres a 40% chance that we could find a partner to move down a few spots, maybe package a player like Winslow and get another 2nd.
Even if we get a 4th or get a player to move down, If I was EM and Kok I would be looking to move down, and plan likewise.
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I can think of several reasons not to draft Malcom Jenkins...
Quinn Pitcock
A.J. Hawk
Bobby Carpenter
Mike Doss
Donte Whitner
Chris Gamble
Vernon Gholston (probably...)
Hawk Whitner and Gamble are far from busts. Gamble is the number opne corner on a playoff team...
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Is AJ Hawk a bust..I dunno. He hasn't lived up to the expectations that scouts and fans had for him. He was supposed to be Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher fused together. When I see him on the Pack, he gets shoved around real good by TE's and FB's. He tackles well and is good in coverage...he just doesnt wow you like the elite LB's do.
I think that alot of the OSU guys that are on the list wouldnt be labeled busts, but just guys that are average or slightly above and are not living up to the expectations set. I think alto of that is the competition they played in the big 10.
Most of those guys are decent players, just not studs.
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I wouldn't call Donte Whitner a bust
He isn't a complete bust, but he has no where near lived up to his #8 overall selection. He is an average safety is the league.
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My problem with the "list" is it completely ignores the rest of the alumni who are indeed playing better ball and contributing than the "list" would have you believe,...jaundice if there ever was any.
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Anybody can pann out. Only thing is this...
Ohio St. ALWAYS has lots of guys coming out that are high profile. I mean it's Ohio St. You go to that school for that reason. The school breeds NFL guys. Therefore their boom/bust ratio will be a little more distorted that other schools.
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Also I wouldn't call Chris Gamble, AJ Hawk, and some others busts as he seems to do......but oh well.
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I can think of several reasons not to draft Malcom Jenkins...
Quinn Pitcock
A.J. Hawk
Bobby Carpenter
Mike Doss
Donte Whitner
Chris Gamble
Vernon Gholston (probably...)
Hawk Whitner and Gamble are far from busts. Gamble is the number opne corner on a playoff team...
Yeah, but think about all the players that are not busts....Eddie George, Antoine Winfield, Terry Glenn, Santonio Holmes....and besides, Gholsten is a rookie, AJ is still really young , and so is Donte Whitner...he will be a good saftey as long as he does't become injury prone....now MIke Doss, and Bobby Carpenter were never projected to be that good......Doss just got drafted early because Indy was desperate for a saftey.....they knew he couldn't cover for crap...I think Jenkins will be about the same caliber as Chris Gamble.....maybe a little better on run support...like Winfield....
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