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That damned Leonhard kid has been a pain in my backside ever since he got to college,....
I like him a lot. He's a player. Maybe George can bring him along.
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I know that nobody wants to leave thier old job on a down note, but Koks is going to a place where he can really put his stamp on things.. (if he actually accepts and comes here that is  ) Man, that was one rockum sockem game last night.... some really hard hitting.. Way better than the Zona Philly game I thought... JMO however.. The guy I am most happy for is Orphious Roye... He did a great job for us here and I'm glad he's getting a shot at the ring... always liked him...
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Where's the release that he's made a decision on our offer?
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http://www.ohio.com/sports/37834024.html
Kokinis to meet with Browns' Mangini first
By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sports writer
POSTED: 03:08 p.m. EST, Jan 19, 2009
George Kokinis, expected to be named Browns general manager this week, will meet with new Browns coach Eric Mangini and some staff members before getting together again with owner Randy Lerner, a source said.
Kokinis' second meeting with Lerner was not scheduled for today, according to the source.
Kokinis, the Ravens director of pro personnel, was expected to talk to Lerner today after Baltimore lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers in Sunday's AFC Championship game. Lerner interviewed Kokinis on Jan. 11 and is thought to be ready to offer Kokinis the job.
Kokinis, 41, and Mangini, 38, have been close friends since 1994, when Mangini served as a Browns' ball boy and public relations intern. Kokinis broke into football as an intern in the Browns' operations department in 1991 and moved up to college scouting assistant two years later.
The two were roommates for a time, sharing a Berea apartment with Scott Pioli, who left New England to become the Kansas City Chiefs general manager last week. Pioli was the first candidate Lerner interviewed for the general manager position to replace Phil Savage, fired on Dec. 27.
Members of Mangini's staff who could also be included in the discussion with Kokinis are offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and special teams coach Brad Seely.
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Where's the release that he's made a decision on our offer?
As far as we know, he's meeting today,,,, to our absolute knowledge, we know of no offer extended........yet.
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From the one article, it looks as though he's meeting with Mangini today, and Lerner later this week.
So don't expect an announcement today.
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Shouldn't these coaches be in Mobile?
Christ it's no wonder we can't draft.
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I really wasn't to be honest... I figured by wednesday we'd have this locked down.
I'm sure that at this moment, since it's so important under the way that Lerner is setting things up, he's letting those two guys sit down and hash out things..
Did you ever work with a guy,, become close friends and then you each go separate ways and have years and years go by without working and socializing a lot.... Things and people change.. thought processes change based on life experience...
These two guys could be thinking things will be like they were,, and maybe they can't.. so if I had to guess, I'd say that today is the day that these two guys find out if they can work together after all these years...
I'm sure they'll be fine, but you know, it's important for them to sit down and be sure..
I'd rather that, then to just be thrown together.....
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Shouldn't these coaches be in Mobile?
Christ it's no wonder we can't draft.
I think you worry too much about that.
Don't be too stuck in the things Savage taught you....we have all the scouts we need in Mobile.
Right now we need to get our staff set...and Mobile is only about 5 hours away......not sure if you can direct to Mobile from Cleveland....you may have to hub through Atlanta or Birmingham....if direct....3 hours...and Alabama is on central time, so we even gain a hour!!
I am sure we will be represented.
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Yup, I agree.
Get it right. I don't want to rush and throw a team together. I want to assemble the right team. I've also seen that Kokinis cleaned out his office in Baltimore, so it sounds like it's a matter of time.
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I've also seen that Kokinis cleaned out his office in Baltimore, so it sounds like it's a matter of time.
I didn't read that,,, but if that's the case,, this COULD get done today..
Think about it,,, if Randy already met the guy and gave his thumbs up,, (and it's been reported that that meeting went well) then it sounds like the only think left to do is make sure he and Mangini are on the same page.... if they are,, Keenan being the Club Pres can certainly formalize the deal I would think.... If he already has Lerners blessing.. and I'm thinking he might!
Yup,, watch the news and let's see if it happens tonight.
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Possibly the meeting with Mangini and his current staff was more than a hello and get up to date meeting. Possibly it was specifically done that way so that Mangini and staff can get up to date with Kokinis and then get on there way to Mobile. What are they going to miss the Welcome dinner?
Surely if they meet today then the final meet and contract will be tomorrow with Lerner??? If not today then tomorrow? Possibly the next meeting of the minds...Scouts, Coaches, Gm will be in Mobile after the signing.
As long as it is still on...and if he comes here, I'm sure it still is!
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Yup, I agree.
Get it right. I don't want to rush and throw a team together. I want to assemble the right team. I've also seen that Kokinis cleaned out his office in Baltimore, so it sounds like it's a matter of time.
Agreed, now get your ass to Mobile and pick me a kid,....
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I agree.
We are going to have people in Mobile. You don't have to be there every minute of every day as a coach or GM.
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Well, Grossi's changed his tune during the day. And it appears that we are represented in Mobile by scouts led by T.J. McCreight. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/01/kokinis_as_cleveland_browns_gm.htmlKokinis as Cleveland Browns' GM not a done deal - yet
by Tony Grossi / Plain Dealer Reporter
Monday January 19, 2009, 1:39 PM
CLEVELAND -- The Browns apparently are in no hurry to name George Kokinis as their next general manager.
A source close to their search said that as of this afternoon the club had no announcements planned for Monday. In fact, a second interview between the Baltimore Ravens pro personnel director and Browns owner Randy Lerner may not occur until later in the week.
But it's possible that Kokinis will meet with Browns coach Eric Mangini and his newly appointed coordinators prior to a second interview with Lerner, the source said.
After the Ravens lost to Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship Game on Sunday night, Kokinis said he would return to Baltimore with his team and strongly indicated he would be in Cleveland this week, possibly as soon as Monday.
Another source said that Kokinis cleaned out his office in Baltimore on Monday morning and was on his way to Cleveland.
Perhaps that is why Mangini elected to stay in his office rather than attend the practices this week at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. The Browns are not represented by their head coach at the major college all-star game of the scouting season.
The highest-ranking Browns official in Mobile is T.J. McCreight, who is supervising the Browns' scouting staff in this transition period.
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But it's possible that Kokinis will meet with Browns coach Eric Mangini and his newly appointed coordinators prior to a second interview with Lerner, the source said.
any bets that it's just what I said... just making sure that Mangini and Koks are still thinking on the same page!
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I don't know what Grossi said before, but there was no way we weren't going to have people in Mobile.
Plus....Mobile this time of year is really nice....really nice anytime of year for that matter....all of these scouts we have under contract weren't going to opt to sit in Berea, Ohio in January, and I know Lerner isn't dumb enough to tell them all to stay home.
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Ha, you said koks.
Yeah, that's the smart way to go. We had the mistake last time around where the GM was making moves that didn't sit well with the coaching staff, bringing in guys who didn't fit.
I just hope we're not as bad with giving away draft picks as we were last time around.
Moving back into the first to get a QB? Good.
Moving up in the 5th to draft a TE, and into the 6th to draft a project WR? Bad.
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I just hope we're not as bad with giving away draft picks as we were last time around.
Moving back into the first to get a QB? Good.
Moving up in the 5th to draft a TE, and into the 6th to draft a project WR? Bad.
You forgot about Ngata...Wimbley. lol
Can you imagine going to the grocery store with Savage if he was hungry...Guy would spend 400 dollars only to find out he really got nothing when he put it away.
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lol, nice analogy.
Well I'm not even talking about the guys we drafted vs. who was available. I'm talking about moving up by giving away higher picks the next season to get players who we didn't need or haven't worked out.
I can't see giving away picks unless you pick up an impact player. Phil did an awful job of trying to get us more picks last season after trading them away. I hope it doesn't hurt us too bad with the new regime taking over.
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The thing with the Senior Bowl is the practices..this is one game where the pro scouts love to see how these guys practice, and what different positions they may be moved to throughout the week..
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Prospective Browns general manager George Kokinis met with new coach Eric Mangini and his staff on Monday, but left without a contract according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer. The website is reporting that a formal announcement could be made later this week. Mangini is skipping the Senior Bowl this week while huddling with Kokinis.
As the pro personnel director of the Baltimore Ravens, one of Kokinis’ duties was to know the personnel of all Baltimore’s opponents, particularly in the AFC North division, from top to bottom. It’s probable that Kokinis has a greater understanding of the Browns’ roster than Mangini and his coordinators.
Getting the lowdown from Kokinis was one reason Mangini elected to stay in his office and not attend the practices at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., this week. The Browns may be the only team in the NFL not represented by its head coach or general manager at the Senior Bowl, which is the top college all-star game of the scouting season.
The Browns have the fifth overall selection in the 2009 NFL Draft.
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The Browns may be the only team in the NFL not represented by its head coach or general manager at the Senior Bowl, which is the top college all-star game of the scouting season.
Well, when I read that our scouts were going, I wasn't concerned. But the only team in the NFL w/out their coach or GM there? Ehhh, that doesn't sound good to me.
Of course it does say we "MAY" be the only team . . .
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Unfortunately, there is absolutely no time between the Senior Bowl and the Draft to get more information on these athletes. I mean, there's no footage of them playing from their college days, there aren't any Browns scouts there to take notes on the kids, there isn't other information widely circulating about these guys.
Man, we are screwed because Mangini and our GM aren't there!
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Well, when I read that our scouts were going, I wasn't concerned. But the only team in the NFL w/out their coach or GM there? Ehhh, that doesn't sound good to me.
Of course it does say we "MAY" be the only team . . .
I'm sure the team we have at this event is armed with good video recorders so I'm not so concerned without an individuals physical presence at this event.
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79...there is plenty of time to put together our draft priorities...relax... 
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Phew! I was getting really concerned. 
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Well, when I read that our scouts were going, I wasn't concerned. But the only team in the NFL w/out their coach or GM there? Ehhh, that doesn't sound good to me.
Of course it does say we "MAY" be the only team . . .
I'm sure the team we have at this event is armed with good video recorders so I'm not so concerned without an individuals physical presence at this event.
As long as that "team" does its job, I don't see a lot to worry about outside of maybe being able to personally interview individual candidates. If neither Mango nor Coconuts is there, doesn't mean McCreight isn't.
Maybe they are frying bigger fish that they think is more important,...who knows ??
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Bunch of smart a**** around here. I mean just LOOK at how I paniced! I'm surprised I was able to stop running around in circles to frantically post my concern.
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I mean just LOOK at how I paniced I wouldn't know how anyone pancies...never seen that in my life 
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He didn't "pancy," he "pan-iced." Just joking folks,.... 
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Hey, 'Shot! Most success (and problems) are people & chemistry, pure & simple. But, each side must work for a relationship to work. They aren't married, but each will have evolved some filters, some priorities about what is vital. They will need to work at this by explaining and debating; but success can be a great cure for contention. Tough times are usually taken out on someone else; misery loves a crowd and pity. I really think with the fit we need, Lerner is showing smarts and experience. He is defining boundaries and duties better than with RAC and doc Savage, and other FO suits who scrambled for "power" more than wins. (Wanna grow your power in an organiation? Succeed mightily! Think about it!) Grow within your place. But to finish this, choosing to succeed, like in Good to Great, is like tackling: About 90% is wanting to do something. We have struggled because logically we have not all been working, or not been working in positive fashion, or we have been someplace other than required to poach, interfere, or contend. I am waiting on the press release. 
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Bard,,, try this on for size: Quote:
Browns interview Giants exec
by Mary Kay Cabot Tuesday January 20, 2009, 9:19 PM
The Browns interviewed New York Giants director of pro personnel Dave Gettleman for their general manager vacancy last week, a league source told The Plain Dealer.
However, Baltimore Ravens director of pro personnel George Kokinis, who spent the past two days in Cleveland meeting with coach Eric Mangini and his staff, remains the leading candidate for the job, a source said. The source said Browns owner Randy Lerner was not in Cleveland and did not conduct any interviews Tuesday, but that the Browns are being thorough in their GM search.
Gettleman, who's been in his current position with the Giants for the past 10 years, also was interviewed for the Kansas City GM job that went to former Patriots Vice President Scott Pioli.
Gettleman, 57, just finished his 23rd season in the NFL and his 11th with the Giants. He's been part of five Super Bowl teams and two winners, including the 2007 Giants. He was most likely recommended by retired Giants GM Ernie Accorsi, who's serving as a consultant to Lerner on the GM search.
Gettleman is the fifth candidate the Browns have interviewed for their GM vacancy. The others were Pioli, current Browns director of player personnel T.J. McCreight, recently resigned Jaguars vice president of player personnel James "Shack" Harris and Kokinis.
Like Kokinis, Gettleman has been involved primarily in pro scouting for free agency and trades. He also scouts upcoming opponents and has an extensive knowledge of pro rosters.
Kokinis spent a second day visiting with the Browns on Tuesday, but there was no indication an offer to become the team's general manager was made.
Kokinis visited with Mangini and his coordinators, and also with other Browns front office executives, including President Mike Keenan.
If Kokinis doesn't take the Browns' job, he sure has learned a lot about the inner workings of one of Baltimore's division rivals.
Meanwhile, the team's scouts continued to observe practices at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., without the company of the head coach, general manager or director of college scouting.
A source said the Browns are not overly concerned about naming a director of college scouting because they had planned on promoting national scout Daniel Jeremiah to the position. That was before the regime change. Jeremiah would appear to be in good standing with Kokinis, however, because he worked for the Ravens for four seasons before joining the Browns in 2007.
Also, Mangini is in the process of hiring Jets assistant strength coach Rick Lyle for the same position with the Browns, a source said.
In an unrelated development, sources said the Browns laid off three people from their office staff Tuesday -- two from their operations department and a secretary for the coaching staff.
Plain Dealer reporter Tony Grossi contributed to this report.
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Yo, 79er! I agree with Tulsa & company aboard here. We will have somebody there in some capacity. Sure it isn't like, Damn, we fergotted it. These pesky bowls! I unfortunately surmise that we will be very wide open to so many needs in so many positions that it can be a wide open affair and drafts happen. We need to worry about best available if we are again (and still) rebuilding. 
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and even more news Quote:
Kokinis spends second day visiting Cleveland Browns staff
by Tony Grossi / Plain Dealer Reporter Tuesday January 20, 2009, 3:41 PM
CLEVELAND -- George Kokinis spent a second day visiting with the Browns on Tuesday, but there was no indication that an offer to become the team's general manager was made. Owner Randy Lerner was not in the office, said a source.
Kokinis, the Baltimore Ravens pro personnel director, visited with new coach Eric Mangini and his coordinators, and also with other Browns' front office executives, including President Mike Keenan.
If Kokinis doesn't take the Browns' job, he sure has learned a lot about the inner workings of one of Baltimore's division rivals.
Meanwhile, the team's scouts continued to observe practices at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., without the company of the head coach, general manager or director of college scouting.
A source said the Browns are not overly concerned about naming a director of college scouting because they had planned on promoting national scout Daniel Jeremiah to the position. That was before the regime change. Jeremiah would appear to be in good standing with Kokinis, however, because he worked for the Ravens for four seasons before joining the Browns in 2007.
In an unrelated development, sources said the Browns laid off three people from their office staff on Tuesday -- two from their operations department and a secretary for the coaching staff.
All just food for thought
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I wouldn't know how anyone pancies...never seen that in my life
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In possibly related news ... the Dolphins completed their sale, and announced last night that Parcells will remain as their general manager. I get the feeling that Randy wanted to see how that turned out, before deciding to pick a GM too early.
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Did you think that was some kind of possibility, there ??
Just asking, as I am getting antsy. Better for me to be antsy though, than Randy make a bad choice,....I want to go to an NFL Championship Game before I check out.
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