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If thats what you call it.  I shouldn't have bothered you don't and won't get it. Now go back to your little world of mindless thought, or as you call it thinking outside the box. 
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what makes your opinion any better than the next guys? I usually dont post much cause if i dont agree with what everyone else is saying i get bashed, but you need to realize that you are not the know-it-all around here. no one here is, and let people speak their minds and stop trying to prove that you are so much better and more in the know than everyone here.
in the end we are all browns fans...but just cause guy "A" dosnt agree with guy "B" doesnt mean that all of guy "A"s buddies need to jump on guy "B" and tell him how dumb or stuipid his idea or thought is. You can come back and talk smack all you want but you as well as most of the posters around here know this is true!
If you feel the need to be the alpha poster here then you really need to get a life man....
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We may be a bit sensitive to firings and such due to the climate of the nation, but what did some of you expect??
I expected exactly what we're getting. We hired a cutthroat and this is what I expected. It's good business as calculated as that may sound. If McCreight was still under contract, he was doing his job, as he was getting paid to do. Once the Browns got their needs out of him? Kick him to the curb!
It's nuthin' new Peen. Nothing that shocks me, surprises me or upsets me. We drained every ounce of blood we could out of that turnip and he WAS getting paid to go their and do his job. It's not like he was working as a volunteer at a soup kitchen. He got paid to go there. It "sounds nasty". But that's just business. People just get offended when you lay it out there the way it really is.
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You change a coach and a GM and expect everything else to carry on as is???
Nope! As I said, it's business. You have people in place, getting paid to do a job. You don't have the timeframe to replace them and install new guys that quickly. So you get the info you need from him first, then let him go. Quite logical IMO
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If you think this stuff is shocking, wait until we start making decisions on which players will stay and which will go...some people are bound to go nuts with some of these decisions. 
Like I said, I'm not shocked by it. But there's no sense sugar coating it IMO Which is what I would be doing by stating otherwise.
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I do. On several different levels. 
You see, I've done the exact same thing. I've ran businesses on very tight construction schedules. With HUGE daily fines if a job isn't done by a certain date. So I've held people I didn't really want in order to wait on their replacement or "upgrade" as it were. Got what I needed to get the job done. Then cut them loose the next day.
When it comes down to me or them? To me meeting my obligations? I'm as cutthroat as anybody! People just need to keep telling themselves that "this is a business first" instead of wearing their hearts on their sleeves.
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That's kinda why I like Mangini. He don't give a chit what we think! I don't believe he cares about protocal or being "Mr. Nice Guy". He's got a job to do so stay the hell out of the way. Lead, follow or get the hell outta the way!

That's what we've needed for some time. We had.......( I believe this is correct )........22 asst. coaches!

I like the idea of steamlining it and making each person responsible for their respective duties.( makes it harder to pass the buck ) It's far better than having too many chiefs and not enough Indians IMO.
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If Koks is still with the Ravens, then he's still working.. what's he working on? Maybe the exact same things he'd be working on here if it was a done deal and he were already on our staff.
After this sentance the VERY FIRST ONE in your "questions", "thoughts" that go well beyond Never never Land .....
If Koks is still with the Ravens, then he's still working
what did U expect ... dude .. do u have any idea how utterly idiotic it is to even suggest, think. question or even possibly concieve that Coke is still working for the Rats ....
hey U know what .. maybe your right .. maybe randy is a GENIUS and hes snookering the rats by delaying his decision and hiring of Coke ... he prolly has him still workin ghtere and getting all there "double secret info" ... WOW .. thanks for enlightening me ...
Dude .. heres how it broke down ..
1. folks are acting like this is no big deal and where not behind .. its just a matter of passing files ... and the titanic just had a leak ...
2. I lay out with a laundry list of reasons with the actual jobs that need to be done as to why we are alot further behind and will affect our drafting and FA periods this year than most what to admit to ..
3. U come back with IF Coke is working with the rats ... and then just cause it hasn't been announced he may be working for us ...
4 then u have the gull to say ... please explain to me again why were so far behind .. *LOL* .. do u have any clue how ludicrous that is?? ... judging by your response .. I guess not ...
As Fletch said ,,,, U can put IF in front of anything .. heres a list of examples ..
IF U didn't say such ridicoulous stuff I wouldn't have to be so honest and tactful with U ...
IF U weren't so sensitive U may not think I ws being rude ...
IF U think calling me dEIm makes me do anything but *L* your sadly mistaken ..
Gee that was fun ... I'll start putting if in front of anything I say to U from here and out and use question marks ... cause then in your eyes it will absolve me of all wrong doing???? ... 
and Dude .. if u don't thiink your sensitive .. YOUR GOING OFF THE DEEP END HERE OUGHT TO PROVE IT ... 
Pit there U go exxegarating again ... your ALL not dolts .. just MOST of U .. a VAST MAJORITY ....
come on man .. I know your pride yourself on making things up .. but please .... I give U enough ammo that U don't need to do it to me ... 
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I shouldn't have bothered you don't and won't get it. Now go back to your little world of mindless thought, or as you call it thinking outside the box
Fletch, i'm afraid you don't get it.. All I did, if you would take the time to read what I wrote, you will see that I threw out a few things to consider... Nothing more, nothing less..
Diam and Shep tell me I was making stuff up.. well hell man... isn't an opinion something that IS made up.. I mean, if it isn't fact then it's opinion right? Or at the very least, a theory or a plusable scenario..
But Noooooo.... if it isn't fact, it must be STUPID to say it!
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Damon you can put IF in front of anything you want, if the content still comes across as out there it is going to get questioned, and you did set yourself up for gettting ripped on a bit cause sometimes you do come across as an over thinker. No matter it is just a damn message board thickin up and move on
OK,, Now I get it... thinking outside the box is prohibited... I'll try to remember that the next time I post.. Thanks Fletch
Naa .. your not sensetive .... what was I thinking ...
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You still don't get it do you Diam
All I ever did was pose a few thoughts and asked a question.. and I'm accused by you and shep of making stuff up..
Is it not OK to ask? Is it suddenly forbidden to express a different point of view? Must I always agree with everything you say to avoid being rudely attacked by you?
IT's just crazy man... Just freaking crazy to think that if I don't agree with you 100%, then I must be nuts, a liar, a maker up of tall tales....
Do you have any idea how stupid that is?
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Isn't it possible that Lerner tole McCreight that he wasn't going to be the GM, and McCreight decided that he wasn't going to work here any more?
Sometimes the cloak and dagger stuff really blows my mind. lol I know that there is stuff going on behind the scenes ...... and most likely the Browns and Kokinis have agreed on 95% of the contract details, and are just waiting to formalize the rest.
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Do you have any idea how stupid that is?
I know its not as dumb as actually thinking this and then having the nerve to believe it has enough merit to type it and then compounding it by getting upset when someone rips U for it ...
If Koks is still with the Ravens, then he's still working
that much I know for sure ...
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I would also add that it's entirely likely that his contract is being reviewed by the league to ensure that it meets the Ravens stated requirements for him to leave their organization. (final say on personnel, and any others we might not be aware of)
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There's a lot of possible scenarios YTown. I doubt anybody knows. I was just taking off on a point that people tried to portray as a bad one.
And I just see it as business. No matter wheather he quit, was fired, or whatever the circumstances were. It happens every day in corperations across this country.
I just don't see the big deal no matter how it went down.
JMHO
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Cynicism my friend. Either Mr.Lerner,in his role as absentee owner,allowed the org.to become too bloated and these cutbacks are warranted,or Mangini and Kokinis are establishing thier own little fiefdom. It sucks for those invovled either way.
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The clock is ticking and our head coach is worried about getting the (insert profanity) walls painted in Berea!!!!!!!!!
You make a call, someone comes in, and they paint it. Not very time consuming to set up.
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If you feel the need to be the alpha poster here then you really need to get a life man....
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Everyone knows that's Diam's spot 

Hey maybe Fletch just wants to be one of the 'in" crowd. Daman is upeat with Diam for doing something that Daman has done himself in the past. I recall him ganging up on me with someone else about Phil Dawson about a year ago. Funny how now that he is one the other side he is upset. You would think he could handle Diam's tender approach by now.
I also believe we are behind, but not in such a way that it is a dire situation, and I don't think that's what Diam meant either. Heck I bet the teams in the Superbowl get a little behind this time of year too with all the preparation for the big game consuming much of the staff.
While I agree with Diam, I would have to believe that their is more going on behind the scenes as far as this is concerned then we know.
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Pit there U go exxegarating again ... your ALL not dolts .. just MOST of U .. a VAST MAJORITY ....
come on man .. I know your pride yourself on making things up .. but please .... I give U enough ammo that U don't need to do it to me ...
Hey! You have fun on here your way. I have fun on here my way!

I just think you are being somewhat of an alarmist here. We kept McCreight this past week for a reason IMO. He did his work and the bases were covered in that respect. Now if it goes past this coming week, then I'll be far more inclined to agree with you. But as of now, McCreight got paid to go there and do the job you seem so concerned about.
So I think at this stage, you're being more of an alarmist than a realist. The sky isn't falling "yet".
Besides, if we didn't take shots at each other on occasion, where would the fun be in that?

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I know its not as dumb as actually thinking this and then having the nerve to believe it has enough merit to type it and then compounding it by getting upset when someone rips U for it ...
That right there proves my point about you Diam..
You just said that I made a statement, you think I believe it because I wrote it and you think I got upset because someone RIPPED ME FOR IT.
First. Did I ever say I believed it? NOPE,, Just threw it out there!
Second: By typing something to offer it up for discussion doesn't mean I believe it.. Just means it's an alternative theory....
Third: You and all your wisdom just screwed up.. you just made a statement that says, and I quote: Quote:
and then compounding it by getting upset when someone rips U for it ..
Why in the hell should you rip be for making a comment that is merely posed as a what if.
You wanna talk about dumb Diam,,, There is the classic DUMB COMMENT by you.
Here is really the kick in the pants,,,, I'm right, you got no way out. and it's not in your nature to say... Daman, I misunderstood you, I'm sorry, please accept my apology"
I can do that,, I've done it everytime someone has differed on my opinion and then proven me wrong.... I'm big enough... But you,,,,,Hell, you gottta win even if you have to twist stuff to do so..
I can't remember where you wrote it or all the details, but you made comment recently that something done on this board is why you don't post here as much anymore..
I'm hoping the embarrasment of making a fool out of yourself over something so trivial will drive you back to whatever hole you crawled out of..... 
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The clock is ticking and our head coach is worried about getting the (insert profanity) walls painted in Berea!!!!!!!!!
You make a call, someone comes in, and they paint it. Not very time consuming to set up.
Like a Dawg marking it's territory!

It only takes a few seconds to take a whiz..........
A little here and a little there. I like watching alpha males at work. And how much it upsets other alpha males is very comical IMO
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If we as posters think the front office or coach gives a big flying fart what we think then we are the dupes. I am sure Mangini, while he is painting the walls at Berea is thinking, I sure wonder what the people on the message boards think of what is going on here. Same thing with the owner. The only time they care is when it comes time to fill the seats or sell merchandise. They know we love the team, maybe not the owner or coach, but we still now and will always love the Browns as trying as it is most of the time. Just my thoughts though. 
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recall him ganging up on me with someone else about Phil Dawson about a year ago. Funny how now that he is one the other side he is upset.
How come you remember that but don't remember the countless times I agreed with you... funny how that works..
Besides, if memory serves me correctly, you were indicating at the time that Dawson was done and should be replaced.. I disagreed and as it turns, I think I was right.
Anyway, while I may disagree with you,, you've never been rude to me..and if you have ever taken anything I've said to you as rude, then let me say here and now, I'm sorry.. It was not intentional. please accept my apology!
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Who is this thread about anyway??.....Misleading title.
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It appears to be about a bunch of guys bickering. 
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It appears to be about a bunch of guys bickering.
I find that this is what dawgtalkers is about anymore anyways. It feels like a pissing contest here. Looking for real information is hard to find. 
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Eh, I wouldn't say it's what DT'ers is about. It happens more during the off season and especially when everyone is nervous about the goings on in the organization. They'll move past it eventually. 
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I hope so.With all this pissin goin on my feet are getting wet.And it's cold outside.
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if it makes you, michelle and everyone else feel better, I'll jump off the diam thing... you are all right, it's stupid and please accept my apology for not stopping it from getting out of hand sooner..
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1. Bring your PC INSIDE!
2. ALWAYS put boots on before logging in!
Those two points alone should be quite helpfull!

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I'm not suggesting you guys quit bickering. I think it's healthy. 
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if it makes you, michelle and everyone else feel better, I'll jump off the diam thing... you are all right, it's stupid and please accept my apology for not stopping it from getting out of hand sooner..
U DA MAN Daman ... Thank God U took the high road here .. as we all know I'm to rude and alpha malie to ever do the right thing .. WAY TO GO BRO .. u are definetly DA MAN ..
and now I can quit emberassing myself on here .. thanks so much .. your a true friend ...
one thing if i may ask ... if u could please stop taking shots at me on other threads I'd really appreciate it .. cause your way better than that and it really offends me ..... 
Pit .. never said that TJ was a huge deal .. he is part of the TOTTALITY of why were behind .. but no wheres near the single driving force ...
feel free to keep your head buried in the sand and stay in denial about weather were behind at this point ... we are behind .. and will never be able to catch up to those ahead of us ....
Like i said more than once .. its not the end of the world and hopefully these changes benifit us in the long run ... but it will affect us in a negative way during this draft and FA period ... there is no doubt of that in anyone that understands what is going on now and how much there is to truely do ....
but the ostrich approach makes folks like U and Daman and pretty much the rest of the board feel better ... and theres nothing wrong with feeling good .. so U have my blessing ...
I really hope I did not offend U .. and if I did ... I'm soo ... Sor ... I'm ... aww .. who we kidding ... I ain't the least bit sorry ... 
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its not the end of the world and hopefully these changes benifit us in the long run ... but it will affect us in a negative way during this draft and FA period
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U DA MAN Daman ... Thank God U took the high road here .. as we all know I'm to rude and alpha malie to ever do the right thing .. WAY TO GO BRO .. u are definetly DA MAN ..
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feel free to keep your head buried in the sand and stay in denial about weather were behind at this point ... we are behind .. and will never be able to catch up to those ahead of us ....
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Like i said more than once .. its not the end of the world and hopefully these changes benifit us in the long run ... but it will affect us in a negative way during this draft and FA period ... there is no doubt of that in anyone that understands what is going on now and how much there is to truely do ....
Oh contraire...... Face it Diam, IF we land Coke, he is a great FA talent evaluator. And we both know that anything past round three is a crapshoot. And even in round 3, it's pretty close. So you're basicly saying that Coke can't evaluate FA's and we can't bring in scouting to evaluate talent between now and April?
And that we aren't going to hire any scouts with "experience" that aren't already out there scouting now? Sure sounds like it. Either that, or it's just overhyped drama on your part. Either way, it's pretty comical....
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Offend me? Not a chance. You are who I thought you were. No surprise there........

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Really ... care to enlighten me as to why that is???? ... not saying hes not .. just wondering why he is in your mind ...
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"Either Mr.Lerner,in his role as absentee owner"
Thats an outright fabrication...btw you know he sold his company in 2006 - smart move actually. But has spent a lot more time with the Browns since then and has taken an active role. I'm sorry but Savage and RAC just got fired by who??? Oh it must of been an absantee firing 
Randy, doesn't like the spot light and avoids the media at all cost. That doesn't make him absentee...that makes him "PRIVATE"
As for the rest...secret, not so secret...firing TJ Mac. Painting the walls...yeah those dolts. Mangini, Daboll and Ryan all three in overalls and rollers painting the walls of Berea...didn't they have better things to do. 
I CAN CARE LESS...AS LONG AS WE WIN!!! 
Thats the bottom line...no matter what these guys do to endear themselves to us...If they lose they are nothing but Garbage.
No matter what these guys do that annoy fans...If they win they will be HEROES!!!
Thats the bottom line.
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Well, he did tell Savage over the phone...

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Well, since GM had already been there, the water sort of became the latrine.
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I could have sworn you posted not too long ago that Randy lives out on the island near you,500 miles from Cleveland.That,by definition,makes him an absentee owner. You do not consider painting over the mural to be of great importance.You don't seem to mind the firing of 40 people.I on the otherhand see these things as contuation of the horse crap way this org.has operated since the return. But,hey if they produce a winner it's all good. Except for maybe those 40 people,thier family and friends.And those very few left that actually care how others are treated.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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